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corkedbat
06-28-2012, 12:04 AM
After the dealings this past winter, I was afraid that it would take two or maybe three years to recover. 've been kind of struck this year about how much talent there seems to be in the farm system (especially in the lower levels.

I know there will be the normal attrition: 6ht year FAs, some guys dealt, some guys going to the Reds, some being released and I know there will be addition through signings trades and waiver pickups for AAAA and filler types.

I think there's a good chance that the Reds could fill most of their levels Louisville to Billings with guys originally drafted by the Reds (I realize a few listed are from deals or waiver pickups). I didn't include anyone that may come over from the DSL or as of yet unsigned 2012 draft picks.

Louisville

CF Ryan LeMarre
SS Didi Gregorious
3B Henry Rodriguez
DH Neftali Soto
1B Beau Mills
3B David Vidal
LF Denis Phipps
RF Josh Feldhauer
CA Mark Fleury

Cody Puckett
Miguel Rojas
Andrew Means
Felix Perez
Bill Reinhardt
Brian Peacock

S1 Daniel Corcino
S2 Kyle Lotzkar
S3 Tony Cingrani (L)
S4 JC Sulbaran
S5 JJ Hoover
LR Pedro Villareal
MR Travis Webb
MR Winfrin Obispo
MR Joe Krebs (L)
MR Josh Judy
RS Nick Christiani
LS Donnie Joseph (L)
CL Jordan Smith


Pensacola

SS Billy Hamilton
CF Theo Bowe
2B Devin Lohman
1B David Lutz
DH Travis mattair
RF Yordanys Perez
LF Bryson Smith
3B Brodie Greene
CA Tucker Barnhart

Niko Vazquez
Jefrey Siera
Steve Selsky
Stephen Hunt
Chris Berset

S1 Chad Rogers
S2 Josh Smith
S3 Justice French
S4 Dan Renken
S5 Tim Crabbe
LR Justin Freeman
MR Blaine Howell (L)
MR Mark Serrano
MR Wilkin De La Rosa (L)
MR Brian Pearl
RS Curtis Partch
LS Chris Manno (L)
CL Drew Hayes


Bakersfield

SS Juan Perez
2B Ryan Wright
CF Yorman Rodriguez
DH Sean Buckley
RF Kyle Waldrop
LF Juan Duran
3B Junior Arias
1B Dominic D'Anna
CA Yovan Gonzalez

Brandon Dailey
Josef Terry
Jeff Gelalich
Juan Silva
Danny Visioso

S1 Jacob Johnson
S2 Rhadames Quezada
S3 Tanner Robles (L)
S4 Daniel Tuttle
S5 Carlos Gonzalez
LR Pat Doyle
MR Dan Wolford
MR Michael Griffin
MR Chris Joyce (L)
MR El'Hajj Muhammad
RS Carlos Contreras
LS Kyle McMyne (L)
CL Brooks Pinkard


Dayton

CF Beau Amaral
2B Sammy Diaz
LF Daniel Pigott
1B Robert Maddox
DH Carlos Sanchez
3B Robert Ramirez
RF Jonathan Reynoso
CA Fray Sosa
SS Brian Peterson

Taylor Wrenn
Jon Matthews
Bryan Arias
Jhimmy Lopez
Spencer Dickson
Brennan May
Nick O'Shea
Julio Morillo
Wagner Gomez

S1 Wes Mugarian
S2 Drew Cisco
S3 Ishmael Guillon (L)
S4 Sal Romano
S5 Stalin Gerson
LR James Allen
MR Joel Bender (L)
MR Dan Jensen
MR Cole Green
MR Nolan Becker (L)
RS Alejandro Chacin
LS Nick Routt (L)
CL Matt Wiley


Billings

CF Elliott Hargreaves
2B Ty Washington
3B Tanner Rahier
LF Gabe Rosa
RF Jesse Winker
DH Sean Mejias-Brean
1B Argenis Aldazoro
CA Joe Hudson
SS Humberto Valor

Avain Rachal
Ronald Bueno
Jonathan Reynoso
Nick Benadetto
Wilfred Estevez
Bryan Arias
Porciano Flores
Daniel Paula

Josh Kennelly

S1 Robert Stephenson
S2 Nick Travieso
S3 Amir Garrett (L)
S4 Jon Moscot
S5 Mitch Clarke (L)
S6 Mason Felt (L)
LR Vaugn Covington
LR Jose Williams
MR Michael Denhardt
MR Ben Klimsch
MR Wandy Peralta (L)
MR Abel De Los Santos
MR Carlos Ramos
R7 Jose Ameczuca
L7 Jordan Remer (L)
R8 Jesus Adames
L8 Richard McCaffrey (L)
CL Michael Salter

Position Players not listed

Dioner Navarro
Corky Miller
Mike Costanzo
Paul Janish
Daryl Jones
Danny Dorn
Chris Valaika
Kris Negron
Joe Gathright

(Goodyear)

Daniel Paula

Pitchers not listed

Scott Carroll
Ryan Feierabend
Carlos Fisher
Sean Gallagher
Tim Gustafson
Chad Reineke
Brett Tomlo
Kanekoa Texiera
Luis Aitano
Josh Ravin
Andrew Brackman
Ryan Keil
Ryan Kemp
Jamie Walczak

(Goodyear)

Kevin Arrico
Pedro Diaz
Nick Fleece
Jose Guzman
Robert Lewis-Walker
Austin Muehring
Jonathan Perez
Longi Pineda
Mike Saunders
Weleen Taveras
Jackson Stephens

cinreds21
06-28-2012, 12:54 AM
Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

corkedbat
06-28-2012, 01:04 AM
Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

Wasn't worried about 100% accuracy. I'd like to see them give Hoover a shot at starting though.

camisadelgolf
06-28-2012, 03:40 AM
Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:

Cincinnati Louisville Pensacola Bakersfield Dayton
C Ryan Hanigan free agent Tucker Barnhart Chris Berset Joe Hudson
1B Joey Votto Neftali Soto Donald Lutz Sean Buckley Brandon Dailey
2B BrandonPhillips Brodie Greene Devin Lohman Ryan Wright Taylor Wrenn
3B Todd Frazier Henry Rodriguez David Vidal Junior Arias Tanner Rahier
SS Zack Cozart Didi Gregorius Billy Hamilton Juan Perez Brent Peterson
LF Chris Heisey Cody Puckett Juan Duran Kyle Waldrop Jesse Winker
CF Drew Stubbs Ryan LaMarre Bryson Smith Theo Bowe Jeff Gelalich
RF Jay Bruce Josh Fellhauer Yordanys Perez YormanRodriguez Beau Amaral
DH Bill Rhinehart Dominic D'Anna Steve Selsky Juan Silva
C Devin Mesoraco free agent Mark Fleury Yovan Gonzalez Nick O'Shea
IF Mike Costanzo Aldi Guzman
IF Paul Janish
OF Denis Phipps Felix Perez Andrew Means Kurt Muller
UT Wilson Valdez Kris Negron free agent Travis Mattair Joe Terry

SP Mat Latos PedroVillarreal Tony Cingrani RadhamesQuezada Robert Stephenson
SP Johnny Cueto Kyle Lotzkar Chad Rogers Tanner Robles Drew Cisco
SP Mike Leake Dan Corcino Dan Renken Stalin Gerson Nick Travieso
SP Homer Bailey J.C. Sulbaran Josh Smith Jake Johnson Sal Romano
SP Bronson Arroyo Tim Crabbe Curt Partch Dan Tuttle Jon Moscot
SP Mark Serrano Justice French Carlos Gonzalez Wes Mugarian
RP Aroldis Chapman Brian Pearl Drew Hayes CarlosContreras Dan Langfield
RP Sean Marshall Donnie Joseph Blaine Howell James Allen Mason Felt
RP Nick Masset Chris Manno Chris Joyce Ryan Kemp Nolan Becker
RP Jose Arredondo J.J. Hoover Kyle McMyne Brooks Pinckard Nick Routt
RP Alfredo Simon Logan Ondrusek Jamie Walczak Mike Dennhardt Jordan Remer
RP Bill Bray Nick Christiani Pat Doyle El'HajjMuhammad Lucas O'Rear
RP Sam LeCure Scott Carroll Dan Wolford Cole Green Ben Klimesh
RP Justin Freeman Erik Miller Dan Jensen Tony Amezcua

Scrap Irony
06-28-2012, 08:51 AM
Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
Corcino
Cingrani
Lotzkar
Sulburan
Villareal

Upside, upside, upside.

bellhead
06-28-2012, 09:30 AM
Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
Corcino
Cingrani
Lotzkar
Sulburan
Villareal

Upside, upside, upside.

Phat Tony's ETA is around 2014, mostly he needs to work on his secondary stuff and innings... Dude is Phat...

Scrap Irony
06-28-2012, 09:42 AM
Cingrani's secondary stuff plays up because his fastball has good movement. He doesn't need a great slider, just an average one. It does him no good to dominate AA with two pitches-- he needs to go to Louisville and pitch against those AAAA guys that can mash a fastball with movement to see how he stacks up.

The innings he can get in both Pennsacola and Louisville.

camisadelgolf
06-28-2012, 10:19 AM
I was just thinking it'd be nice if he faced some of the hitters multiple times. There's no need to rush him.

corkedbat
06-28-2012, 10:40 AM
Is the guy you've got listed as Aldi Guzman the same as Argenis Aldazoro? I know they changed his name on the roster a couple of times. Kinda confusing. Or is Guzman injured?

Benihana
06-28-2012, 10:54 AM
Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:

Cincinnati Louisville Pensacola Bakersfield Dayton
C Ryan Hanigan free agent Tucker Barnhart Chris Berset Joe Hudson
1B Joey Votto Neftali Soto Donald Lutz Sean Buckley Brandon Dailey
2B BrandonPhillips Brodie Greene Devin Lohman Ryan Wright Taylor Wrenn
3B Todd Frazier Henry Rodriguez David Vidal Junior Arias Tanner Rahier
SS Zack Cozart Didi Gregorius Billy Hamilton Juan Perez Brent Peterson
LF Chris Heisey Cody Puckett Juan Duran Kyle Waldrop Jesse Winker
CF Drew Stubbs Ryan LaMarre Bryson Smith Theo Bowe Jeff Gelalich
RF Jay Bruce Josh Fellhauer Yordanys Perez YormanRodriguez Beau Amaral
DH Bill Rhinehart Dominic D'Anna Steve Selsky Juan Silva
C Devin Mesoraco free agent Mark Fleury Yovan Gonzalez Nick O'Shea
IF Mike Costanzo Aldi Guzman
IF Paul Janish
OF Denis Phipps Felix Perez Andrew Means Kurt Muller
UT Wilson Valdez Kris Negron free agent Travis Mattair Joe Terry

SP Mat Latos PedroVillarreal Tony Cingrani RadhamesQuezada Robert Stephenson
SP Johnny Cueto Kyle Lotzkar Chad Rogers Tanner Robles Drew Cisco
SP Mike Leake Dan Corcino Dan Renken Stalin Gerson Nick Travieso
SP Homer Bailey J.C. Sulbaran Josh Smith Jake Johnson Sal Romano
SP Bronson Arroyo Tim Crabbe Curt Partch Dan Tuttle Jon Moscot
SP Mark Serrano Justice French Carlos Gonzalez Wes Mugarian
RP Aroldis Chapman Brian Pearl Drew Hayes CarlosContreras Dan Langfield
RP Sean Marshall Donnie Joseph Blaine Howell James Allen Mason Felt
RP Nick Masset Chris Manno Chris Joyce Ryan Kemp Nolan Becker
RP Jose Arredondo J.J. Hoover Kyle McMyne Brooks Pinckard Nick Routt
RP Alfredo Simon Logan Ondrusek Jamie Walczak Mike Dennhardt Jordan Remer
RP Bill Bray Nick Christiani Pat Doyle El'HajjMuhammad Lucas O'Rear
RP Sam LeCure Scott Carroll Dan Wolford Cole Green Ben Klimesh
RP Justin Freeman Erik Miller Dan Jensen Tony Amezcua

Overall good work, and I love thinking about this kind of stuff (while the naysayers say it's too early, blah blah blah)...

My comments:

1. I think Cingrani has the whole second half of this season to continue to hone his craft and work on secondary stuff in AA. I think he begins 2013 in AAA along with the rest of the stacked rotation Scrap cited.

2. I think LaMarre would get a look at a backup spot in Cincy before Phipps, but I'm not sure if either starts 2013 with the big club.

3. Lutz has got to stay in LF if he has a future in this organization. I'd like to see him playing there in Pensacola right now, but definitely in 2013 (over someone like Perez).

4. I think Amaral plays CF in Dayton next year, with Winker in RF and someone else in LF. I think Gelalich goes to Bakersfield to play RF (I think he plays out this season in Dayton), with some combination of Yorman/Bowe in CF next year in Bakersfield.

5. Obviously a hotly debated topic, but don't be surprised to see Hamilton in CF next year- especially if it's being occupied by a non-prospect like Bryson Smith. He may move, he may not- but don't be surprised either way.

6. Where are Seth Mejias-Brean and Gabe Rosa? Have to think Rosa is starting in Dayton next year, either at 3B or in the OF (if Rahier gets bumped to Dayton)

7. I think Felt will spend another year in rookie ball. As I mentioned on another thread, I think Travieso could make the jump to Dayton but all the other HS pitchers likely spend another year in Rookie League.

8. I wonder if Duran repeats Bakersfield for another year, next to his fellow international signee enigma Yorman Rodriguez. Who knows- to make room, maybe someone like Kyle Waldrop jumps a level?

9. Langfield (depending on whether he's a starter or reliever), Guillon and possibly even Garrett could easily sneak into the Dayton rotation next year. Garrett could also be destined for another year in Rookie Ball. Gotta love the way the Louisville and Dayton rotations are shaping up.

10. I think Hoover and Joseph could and should get a shot to stick with the big club in ST next year. Could say the same for Henry Rodriguez at 3B (and backup 1B/2B).

bellhead
06-28-2012, 02:20 PM
As far as Billy goes, I think his ultimate position is decided by Stubbs and Cozart which one do you want to keep?

Vottomatic
06-28-2012, 02:49 PM
Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.

camisadelgolf
06-28-2012, 08:23 PM
I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.
A good reliever is worth more than a bad starter.