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icehole3
07-12-2012, 08:31 AM
besides Hamilton :)

19braves77
07-12-2012, 12:01 PM
Didi and Donnie Joseph

corkedbat
07-12-2012, 12:03 PM
Not sure about Billy, but I the rosters are the same as today, I would guess HRod, Navarro, Joseph and Hoover.

corkedbat
07-12-2012, 12:04 PM
nm

Hillsdale87
07-12-2012, 12:28 PM
Not sure about Billy, but if the rosters are the same as today, I would guess HRod, Navarro, Joseph and Hoover.

I wouldn't mind seeing HRod up here before September. He could probably be a better utility player than Cairo at this point. I expect Janish will get a call up as well

Scrap Irony
07-12-2012, 01:23 PM
I'd guess, if no deals, Navarro, Joseph, Hoover, and Janish. H. Rodriguez has an outside shot, and Billy Hamilton is a longshot at best.

Hillsdale87
07-12-2012, 01:33 PM
I'd guess, if no deals, Navarro, Joseph, Hoover, and Janish. H. Rodriguez has an outside shot, and Billy Hamilton is a longshot at best.

Yea I'd be shocked if Hamilton was called up. It sure would be exciting though...

bucksfan2
07-12-2012, 03:44 PM
Yea I'd be shocked if Hamilton was called up. It sure would be exciting though...

I would call Hamilton up once the roster expands and not think twice about it. If the Reds were to make the playoffs he would also be on my 25 man playoff roster.

If he is in AA now I don't think the Reds really have to worry about burning up all of his options. If I am in a short series where a 4th and 5th starter isn't needed I want Hamilton's speed off the bench over a Bailey or Leake or Arroyo who isn't going to really help the team out of the pen. It would make little sense to me to insert Mesoraco or Leake or Arroyo as a pinch runner late in the game when you have maybe the most dynamic baserunner in the game today at your disposal.

dougdirt
07-12-2012, 03:57 PM
I would call Hamilton up once the roster expands and not think twice about it. If the Reds were to make the playoffs he would also be on my 25 man playoff roster.

If he is in AA now I don't think the Reds really have to worry about burning up all of his options. If I am in a short series where a 4th and 5th starter isn't needed I want Hamilton's speed off the bench over a Bailey or Leake or Arroyo who isn't going to really help the team out of the pen. It would make little sense to me to insert Mesoraco or Leake or Arroyo as a pinch runner late in the game when you have maybe the most dynamic baserunner in the game today at your disposal.

If you want Hamilton on your playoff roster, you have to call him up before September.

LoganBuck
07-12-2012, 04:15 PM
If you want Hamilton on your playoff roster, you have to call him up before September.

Yep, he would make a nice bench weapon, when you need the speed though. I am not sure who needs to be protected from the Rule 5 draft this year, but the Reds do have some flexibility on the 40 man roster to put Hamilton on if need be. I guess it comes down to how he finishes out the season at AA. If he finishes strong, he certainly fills the pinch runner/pinch hitter role better than Homer Bailey and Mike Leake. A guy like that in a playoff game can make all the difference.

My guess is you see Didi, Janish, one of Navarro/Miller, Joseph, Hoover, and Rodriguez. Because Lotzkar is on the 40 man, I could see him getting a start or two if the Reds need a guy in September. Hopefully after having clinched the division.

camisadelgolf
07-12-2012, 05:20 PM
Janish, Costanzo, Phipps, Valaika, Hoover, Smith, Joseph, Navarro/Miller

Vottomatic
07-12-2012, 06:05 PM
The only way I see Hamilton called up is as a circus act type deal, like Chapman. Chapman and his 100+ mph missile draws crowds. Hamilton would do the same. If the Reds are in the lead or playoff hunt, it would juice the crowds even more.

TOBTTReds
07-12-2012, 07:04 PM
The only way I see Hamilton called up is as a circus act type deal

Or as the best pinch runner in the playoff race/playoffs. He'd more than an act. Our bench is soooo slow.

RedlegJake
07-16-2012, 02:34 AM
I'll bet there is no way they call Billy up. A sports announcer at the Bakersfield game asked about Eric Davis about it (calling Billy up in September) and Eric got all kinds of bent out of shape about even asking the question...called it the stupidest idea he'd ever heard

Steve4192
07-16-2012, 12:34 PM
Or as the best pinch runner in the playoff race/playoffs. He'd more than an act. Our bench is soooo slow.

That can be easily fixed by calling up someone other than Billy Hamilton. There are plenty of fast guys bouncing around in the minors who the Reds could acquire to pinch run. I'm sure they could acquire a guy like Luis Durango, or former Reds farmhands Fred Lewis and Quinton Berry without giving up anything of real value. The could probably get those guys for a middling minor league reliever or just plain old cash.

dougdirt
07-16-2012, 12:37 PM
That can be easily fixed by calling up someone other than Billy Hamilton. There are plenty of fast guys bouncing around in the minors who the Reds could acquire to pinch run. I'm sure they could acquire a guy like Luis Durango, or former Reds farmhands Fred Lewis and Quinton Berry without giving up anything of real value. The could probably get those guys for a middling minor league reliever or just plain old cash.

Or just call up Theo Bowe, who is just as fast as Billy Hamilton is.

Steve4192
07-16-2012, 12:46 PM
Or just call up Theo Bowe, who is just as fast as Billy Hamilton is.

I have the same objection to calling up Bowe that I have to calling up Hamilton. He's still young enough he might turn into a real MLB ballplayer. There is no need to start his option clock if he is not ready to play in the majors. An grizzled veteran like Lewis would serve the same purpose and not potentially stunt/rush the development a guy who could be a valuable player a few years down the road.

cinreds21
07-16-2012, 01:02 PM
Cams, Janish is gone sir.

And probably not Hamilton because he still won't be Rule V eligible next year. Wasting a option year on him would not be smart (assuming he is optioned next Spring Training.)

camisadelgolf
07-16-2012, 01:13 PM
Cams, Janish is gone sir.
In case you didn't know, my comment regarding Janish was from Thursday. I already posted about him being traded in the transactions thread. :p

REDREAD
07-16-2012, 02:44 PM
Hoover will be back.

I think it would be wise to call up a catcher so that catchers could be used as PH down the stretch.

I think Willie Harris has a chance to get called back up.

That's my three. Joseph is a longshot imo.

If everyone is healthy, I guess I don't see many other callups.
Harris gives us an extra inf/of backup.. the Reds really don't have any bench bats at AAA that would be useful, imo.. I think Constanzo got his chance and is never going to see the ML roster again, barring another string of injuries.

OGB
07-17-2012, 12:11 PM
Gathright or Negron if you need someone to pinch run.

HRod for a LH bat

Navarro for a 3rd catcher

Hoover and Joseph because teams always call up a couple extra bullpen arms

dougdirt
07-17-2012, 12:58 PM
Gathright was released. Negron had ACL surgery and is out for the year.

membengal
07-17-2012, 02:22 PM
Or just call up Theo Bowe, who is just as fast as Billy Hamilton is.



This is simply untrue.

Steve4192
07-17-2012, 02:40 PM
This is simply untrue.

Does the difference between super fast and super-duper fast really matter when we are talking about a guy who only gets to run the bases two or three times per week?

To be honest, I'd rather have a slower (but still fast) veteran base stealer who isn't going to run into outs as my pinch-runner over a couple of kids who blaze but take stupid risks. Neither Bowe nor Hamilton are particularly smart base runners at this point in their careers.

dougdirt
07-17-2012, 10:00 PM
This is simply untrue.

I have timed both guys 50+ times. Theo Bowe has the fastest time from home to first base between the two guys. 3.72 to Hamilton's 3.74 (both from the left side). Theo Bowe was also once upon a time ranked as the Reds fastest player in the system when Hamilton was in it, by Baseball America. People really need to stop pretending that Billy Hamilton is absolutely, without question or debate, faster than every other player in the game. He isn't.

membengal
07-17-2012, 11:04 PM
I guess by people you mean Kevin Goldstein too. Take it up with him for starters.

dougdirt
07-17-2012, 11:09 PM
I guess by people you mean Kevin Goldstein too. Take it up with him for starters.

Well, I am taking it up with you first since you told me it wasn't true. But next time I see KG bring it up, maybe I will.

membengal
07-17-2012, 11:14 PM
Well, I am taking it up with you first since you told me it wasn't true. But next time I see KG bring it up, maybe I will.

He brought it up on twitter again today. So have at it.


Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein
Folks, for the 1,821st time Billy Hamilton is faster than any other baseball player, so quit asking how Player X compares.

By the way, that followed an inquiry I made to him about...whether Theo Bowe was faster. But, whatevs.

RedlegJake
07-17-2012, 11:53 PM
Goldstein can say Hamilton is faster than Bowe. Saying it doesn't make it true. I'll take Doug's word for it. He has actually timed both many times and timed home to first. I think Doug knows more about the players in the Reds system than Goldstein and its not even close. Goldstein whips up hype about kids coming up.

membengal
07-18-2012, 06:25 AM
Goldstein and "whipping up hype" is also false. He works overtime to NOT do that. Laughable. Follow his twitter if you want to test your hypothesis.

Steve4192
07-18-2012, 01:35 PM
I don't doubt that Goldstein knows his stuff, but a guy who tracks all of MLB is not going to be as up to date on all the minutia about certain prospects as a guy who tracks just one team. Stuff like stopwatch times to first base definitely falls in the category of minutia.

I'd venture to say almost all of Goldstein's knowledge in regards to Hamilton comes second hand. He has probably only seen him play live a handful of times, as opposed to Doug who watches all the Reds prospects like a hawk and does wacky stuff like timing them from home to first 50+ times apiece.

medford
07-18-2012, 02:38 PM
Isn't a time from home (I'll presume while batting) to 1st base only 1 component of who's the fastest? I mean wouldn't time from 1st to 3rd or 1st to 2nd on a steal, or home to 2nd on a double, or home to home on an inside the parker be additional parts? Perhaps Bowe got out of the box after a hit quicker than Billy did last year. Doug, have you timed both this season since both spent most of their time across the country, or were all of those times in Dayton last year? Could Billy have gotten quicker this year?

I don't know the answers to any of these, its largely minutia, but questions that need to be asked if trying to settle a debate about who's faster b/w bily Hamilton and anyone else.

Steve4192
07-18-2012, 05:31 PM
I don't know the answers to any of these, its largely minutia, but questions that need to be asked if trying to settle a debate about who's faster b/w bily Hamilton and anyone else.

I don't think you can ever settle it. Suffice it say that both guys are ridiculously fast and leave it at that. In the grand scheme of things, that matters more than a few hundredths of a second on a stopwatch.

RedlegJake
07-18-2012, 07:42 PM
I don't think you can ever settle it. Suffice it say that both guys are ridiculously fast and leave it at that. In the grand scheme of things, that matters more than a few hundredths of a second on a stopwatch.

Excellent answer. At that level what difference does it really make. Hamilton, Bowe - guys like that are so exceptionally fast it's just a quibble. The fact is the Reds have 2 of them and if they rank 1-2 or 2-1 who cares?

My trade as a joke was the Reds grab Bourjos and then around 2105 they'd have Bourjos, Hamilton, Bowe and Stubbs in the same outfield - the fastest in history. Of course they might collectively hit .186 but heck they'd be fast!

mth123
07-18-2012, 09:00 PM
Excellent answer. At that level what difference does it really make. Hamilton, Bowe - guys like that are so exceptionally fast it's just a quibble. The fact is the Reds have 2 of them and if they rank 1-2 or 2-1 who cares?

My trade as a joke was the Reds grab Bourjos and then around 2105 they'd have Bourjos, Hamilton, Bowe and Stubbs in the same outfield - the fastest in history. Of course they might collectively hit .186 but heck they'd be fast!

I don't know about that. By 2105 they'll all be over 100 years old and may have lost a step or two. ;)

Benihana
07-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Assuming they are still with the organization, I'd expect Joseph, Hoover, Redmond, Brackman, H-Rod, Gregorius, LaMarre and Navarro to all be candidates for September call-ups.

RedlegJake
07-19-2012, 07:08 PM
I don't know about that. By 2105 they'll all be over 100 years old and may have lost a step or two. ;)

LOL... good catch.

RedlegJake
07-19-2012, 07:10 PM
Assuming they are still with the organization, I'd expect Joseph, Hoover, Redmond, Brackman, H-Rod, Gregorius, LaMarre and Navarro to all be candidates for September call-ups.

Any but Brackman - he is so bad with his control I'd really hate to see him in a Reds game.

cooperlamar
08-05-2012, 11:39 AM
Just wanted to bump this thread to see what everyone's thoughts are with the recent changes.

Vottomatic
08-05-2012, 02:42 PM
Assuming they are still with the organization, I'd expect Joseph, Hoover, Redmond, Brackman, H-Rod, Gregorius, LaMarre and Navarro to all be candidates for September call-ups.

I don't think Joseph will get a Reds call up. :D
Or Brackman. :p

I agree on Hoover, Redmond, H-Rod, Didi, and Navarro.

I'm up the air as to whether they bring up Lamarre or Hamilton. Pinch runners? Both can steal a base. Might be a chance to get a look at them in a blow out. But I'm gonna guess that they don't bring them up.

OGB
08-06-2012, 05:16 PM
Hoover, Redmond, HRod, Willie Harris, Navarro, and I think they'll call Corky up just as a tip of the cap to the guy. I feel like he's loved in the front office, his career is almost over, and they see him having a future as a coach/manager in the system.

Oh, and since Xavier Paul will be sent back down when Votto is back, add him to the list.