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Vottomatic
07-14-2012, 10:32 PM
Considering how strong and solid the starting pitching has finally become, would you be willing to trade either Leake or Bailey for an impact bat or no? Obviously it depends on who that bat is, how much impact they'd have, how long they're under control, etc.

Just creating some discussion on it because the Reds most likely aren't going to deal Hamilton, and these 2 guys may be the best options to get something in return.

Reds Freak
07-14-2012, 10:35 PM
I vote for neither. The Reds are near the top of baseball in pitching and league average in hitting. I'm not willing to weaken a strength for what would most likely be a marginal upgrade.

CrackerJack
07-14-2012, 10:53 PM
I agree, if it doesn't involve prospects or a Heisey/Stubbs/Cozart type, then forget it.

sonny
07-14-2012, 11:19 PM
If it has to be one, see ya Homer. His inconsistency is maddening.

westofyou
07-14-2012, 11:34 PM
Not this year, maybe in the off season, but unless they get back a starter neither will move this year

Kotsay, and little moves are what we will see.. Crack filling not restructures will be the modus

cinreds21
07-14-2012, 11:35 PM
At some point one is going to go, rather it be July or the off-season. I vote Bailey personally. It'll open up a spot for Chapman next year and then in 2014 Arroyo will be gone so Cingrani, Corcino, or Lotzkar will get a shot.

kaldaniels
07-14-2012, 11:45 PM
If it has to be one, see ya Homer. His inconsistency is maddening.

In 2012 Leake has quality starts 56% of the time.

Homer 71%.

Look, this is a very tough choice if you ask me, but Homer seems to be constantly underrated. Giving the club quality starts 71 percent of the time is the opposite of inconsistent.

HokieRed
07-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Homer's been underrated on here for years. I wouldn't trade either. This team is as good as it is because of the rotation, which frankly is about as good as I remember a Reds rotation ever being. To improve the offense, I think we look for some left handed OBP guys--one for CF being the obvious one to begin with.

powersackers
07-14-2012, 11:52 PM
Trading Leake? How many teams would kill to have a recent draft pick skip the minors and deliver MOR SP nearly every time he takes the mound? He should only get better as he hones his already more than adequate skills.

Sure trade a AA SP. Trade one of our minor league SSs. But Leake? That's an insult to the scouts and management that brought him to us. Scouts and management we should be thanking.

kaldaniels
07-14-2012, 11:55 PM
I'd see what it would take to sign each of the 2 a couple years past their walk year. That might help make up my mind. The more info you have the better.

DGullett35
07-14-2012, 11:56 PM
I would trade neither. Leake has been very good since May 11 with a sub 3 ERA. Bailey also has been good as was mentioned earlier hes had a quality start 71% of the time. Without these two and the other three guys this team isnt 11 games over right now.

RedEye
07-15-2012, 12:00 AM
Depends on the return. If one of them is needed for an upgrade to the starting rotation (Greinke) or a young offensive cornerstone (Upton), I'd have to consider it.

Brutus
07-15-2012, 12:03 AM
In 2012 Leake has quality starts 56% of the time.

Homer 71%.

Look, this is a very tough choice if you ask me, but Homer seems to be constantly underrated. Giving the club quality starts 71 percent of the time is the opposite of inconsistent.

While that may be true, Homer's been up and down all year whereas most of Leake's so-so outings were earlier in the year. He's been pitching a lot better in the past two months than he was previously.

Leake's K/BB, HR and GB/FB rates are all better than Homer right now. Plus, being younger, cheaper and under control for a longer period of time, I think it would make more sense to hang on to Leake if either were to be traded. Of course, Leake would be worth more in a trade, but I'm assuming all things are equal for now.

PuffyPig
07-15-2012, 12:11 AM
Considering how strong and solid the starting pitching has finally become......

You know, strong and solid starting pitching is a good thing.

I'd consider keeping it.

It's what gets teams into the playoffs and winning the World Series.

757690
07-15-2012, 12:18 AM
Really disagree with the premise.

The Reds right now could put together packages of prospects, without Hamilton, that are equal or better to what brought back Halliday, Lee, Greinke, Sabathia, Holliday, Jimenez, and any other big name traded at the deadline in recent history. Plus, the price of impact players traded at the deadline will go down this year because acquiring teams won't get picks for them.

The Reds aren't the Cardinals of last year, needing to trade MLB atarters to fill in gaps. Their farm system is plenty healthy.

kaldaniels
07-15-2012, 12:23 AM
While that may be true, Homer's been up and down all year whereas most of Leake's so-so outings were earlier in the year. He's been pitching a lot better in the past two months than he was previously.

Leake's K/BB, HR and GB/FB rates are all better than Homer right now. Plus, being younger, cheaper and under control for a longer period of time, I think it would make more sense to hang on to Leake if either were to be traded. Of course, Leake would be worth more in a trade, but I'm assuming all things are equal for now.

I'm saying that Bailey has been more consistent than Leake this season. Do you disagree?

kaldaniels
07-15-2012, 12:25 AM
Really disagree with the premise.

The Reds right now could put together packages of prospects, without Hamilton, that are equal or better to what brought back Halliday, Lee, Greinke, Sabathia, Holliday, Jimenez, and any other big name traded at the deadline in recent history. Plus, the price of impact players traded at the deadline will go down this year because acquiring teams won't get picks for them.

The Reds aren't the Cardinals of last year, needing to trade MLB atarters to fill in gaps. Their farm system is plenty healthy.

To put it briefly I agree. I'm not just looking to trade either, but if forced to choose it really is a tough decision.

Nathan
07-15-2012, 12:58 AM
Bad idea. You shouldn't rob Peter to pay Paul. Especially since there isn't enough depth in the rotation to swing a trade of either of them (unless you get a starting pitcher in return, which, basically makes it a lateral move; pointless.) We need some offense, yes, but, look at prospects being dealt before anyone in the rotation. What we need usually comes rather cheap at the deadline. (A couple bats off the bench, essentially. Maybe a leadoff hitter.)

REDREAD
07-16-2012, 11:15 AM
I would not trade either (unless a better SP comes back in the deal).

A strong rotation (1-5) is what's going to win the division for the Reds.
This offense can't carry a weak starting pitcher in the #5 slot.. Just look at
what Leake and Homer did in this past series.. Without them, no sweep.
I really don't want to see Simon, LeCure or Hoover experimented with in the rotation at this point.. Now is not the time.

I predict that if one of them is traded, Walt might wait until near the end of the spring training, just to ensure that Chapman can start..

Slyder
07-16-2012, 11:20 AM
Considering how strong and solid the starting pitching has finally become, would you be willing to trade either Leake or Bailey for an impact bat or no? Obviously it depends on who that bat is, how much impact they'd have, how long they're under control, etc.

Just creating some discussion on it because the Reds most likely aren't going to deal Hamilton, and these 2 guys may be the best options to get something in return.


I personally would say (assuming you "can't" extend either) Homer, just because he's a lot closer to the dreaded free agency time. All things being equal I don't really have a preference between the two, they both have positives and they both have negatives that need work. But unless you are able to get a return of like a Jason Heyward what's the point in trading either?

It would be creative, I doubt Chapman would be ready for the rotation by opening day next year even if he trained the entire offseason. So you probably need both until July next year and if you can't get a young game changer whats the point in taking out the kitchen to build a stair case in the den?

RedlegJake
07-17-2012, 08:24 PM
Pitch Redmond a couple games before the deadline and see if you have a 5th starter before deciding anything

HokieRed
07-17-2012, 09:54 PM
Pitch Redmond a couple games before the deadline and see if you have a 5th starter before deciding anything

You've got a fifth starter now: Arroyo.

RedlegJake
07-17-2012, 11:44 PM
Hokie - I meant if you have one AFTER trading someone

VR
07-18-2012, 12:05 AM
Homer, Stubbs, and a couple prospects not named Hamilton for Hamels....then, yes.

RedlegJake
07-18-2012, 12:10 AM
VR - I was thinking along the lines of a Minnesota deal for Liriano and Span

MikeS21
07-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Bailey, I'm gonna keep. A 1-2-3 punch of Cueto, Latos, and Bailey for the next four or five years looks very nice.

Leake, I'm going to hang on to unless I am absolutely blown away by a deal. Thing is, I don't believe there is a deal out there that would "blow me away."

HokieRed
07-18-2012, 10:28 AM
I wouldn't move any member of the current rotation other than Arroyo, and then only with a comparable starter--experienced--to be coming back. We've finally got the rotation: let them grind it out.