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powersackers
07-16-2012, 02:28 AM
Is the AA call up a precursor to possibly bringing Lutz up for a LH power bat off the bench down the stretch? He's on the 40 man and if we don't land the role player we seek via trade could Donald be it? Pros / cons?

membengal
07-16-2012, 06:09 AM
You seem to take a very aggressive approach to moving guys through the system. The Reds don't tend to have that approach.

Its hard for me to see a scenario where Lutz is in Cincy with anything other than a ticket in September.

Steve4192
07-16-2012, 08:22 AM
Is the AA call up a precursor to possibly bringing Lutz up for a LH power bat off the bench down the stretch? He's on the 40 man and if we don't land the role player we seek via trade could Donald be it? Pros / cons?

You don't call up rookies to sit on the bench. That's what old ballplayers are for. You leave young guys down in the minors where they can play every day and improve themselves.

medford
07-16-2012, 10:03 AM
He's on the 40 man roster? I didn't know that. If so, I'd bring him up once his minor league season ends for a september look see.

powersackers
07-16-2012, 01:25 PM
He's definitely on the 40 man. He is one of only a couple LH bats on it. Thus my post. I don't think he's ready to be an everyday player. But the LH bench bat is a huge hole right now. Maybe HRod then if no other LH bat is acquired?

Scrap Irony
07-16-2012, 04:53 PM
He's a .260 hitter in the California League.

I'd wager $1,000 he will not be on the Red roster in September.

Anyone want to take it?

dougdirt
07-16-2012, 05:10 PM
He's a .260 hitter in the California League.

I'd wager $1,000 he will not be on the Red roster in September.

Anyone want to take it?

I do want to take your $1,000. But no, I don't want to take the bet.

camisadelgolf
07-16-2012, 06:05 PM
He's a .260 hitter in the California League.

I'd wager $1,000 he will not be on the Red roster in September.

Anyone want to take it?
I'll take it. I bet you $1,000 he will be on the Reds' 40-man roster in September. This is going to be the easiest money I've ever made. Thanks, Scrap.

Scrap Irony
07-16-2012, 08:29 PM
Heh.

Let's try the 25-man roster, camisa.

camisadelgolf
07-16-2012, 09:09 PM
Heh.

Let's try the 25-man roster, camisa.
But the rosters expand in September . . .

Scrap Irony
07-16-2012, 09:26 PM
How about this, then?

Lutz will not play for the Cincinnati Reds professional team this season.

camisadelgolf
07-16-2012, 09:28 PM
Nah, I think I'll stick with our original bet. I could use the money.

Blitz Dorsey
07-17-2012, 04:52 PM
Yeah, absolutely, guys who are in A-ball in July get called up to the Bigs later that year all the time. (Nope.)

powersackers
07-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Yeah, absolutely, guys who are in A-ball in July get called up to the Bigs later that year all the time. (Nope.)

I would rather have Lutz than 9 righties in a row vs Trevor Bauer. And Detroit called up a guy vs us here in Cincy directly from A ball. Your sarcasm and disapproval in a discussion on the pros and cons of calling up a AA player is noted.

RedlegJake
07-17-2012, 10:57 PM
I would rather have Lutz than 9 righties in a row vs Trevor Bauer. And Detroit called up a guy vs us here in Cincy directly from A ball. Your sarcasm and disapproval in a discussion on the pros and cons of calling up a AA player is noted.

Because Detroit did it doesn't make it right. Very likely they did that kid no favors. Most kids rushed up like that struggle mightily and are set back in development. Ask Eric Davis. It happened to him. It probably set Jay Bruce back, ditto for Homer Bailey. Double ditto for Ryan Wagner - it may have cost him his career going straight to ML baseball from college. SO yes, rushing players to the majors from A ball is almost always a stupid move.

crazybob60
07-18-2012, 04:04 PM
Can we name one that it actually did work out well for? Pujols is really the only one that comes to mind (albeit the 3 games he played at AAA)

Mario-Rijo
07-18-2012, 04:12 PM
Can we name one that it actually did work out well for? Pujols is really the only one that comes to mind (albeit the 3 games he played at AAA)

Peter Edward Rose

RedlegJake
07-18-2012, 04:23 PM
There are a few. But the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

REDREAD
07-18-2012, 04:24 PM
Can we name one that it actually did work out well for? Pujols is really the only one that comes to mind (albeit the 3 games he played at AAA)

Leake, Bob Horner, Pete Inglavia.
Probably a few others.

Although I am not sure if I am answering your question, as those guys all skipped minors.
If you want someone from A to pros, I can't think of any right now.

But I agree, it's a rare thing to have it work out well.. Wasn't arguing that it was a good idea.

mth123
07-18-2012, 06:52 PM
Kent Hrbek and Gary Gaetti were the first two names I thoight of. Some others on those Twins teams were called up from lower levels and went back down before being recalled to success.

Vottomatic
07-20-2012, 05:35 PM
Dave Winfield?