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mace
07-19-2012, 04:21 PM
Well, Louisville's game didn't turn out as nicely as the Reds', but it was not for lack of excitement. The Bats scored four in the ninth to fall short, 13-12. Homers in the game for H-Rod, Puckett, Costanzo and Soto.

The pitchers who got roughed up: Reineke, Fisher, Texeira and (to a lesser extent) Christiani.

Hitters, on the other hand: H-Rod 4-5 (.327), Soto 2-4, 5 RBI, Costanzo 2-5, 3 RBI, Harris 2-5, Phipps 1-3, 2 BB.

Vottomatic
07-19-2012, 05:04 PM
.....and H-Rod has what else to prove?????

dougdirt
07-19-2012, 05:05 PM
.....and H-Rod has what else to prove?????

That he can make it through the league once? He has just over 50 total plate appearances in AAA right now.

Scrap Irony
07-19-2012, 05:49 PM
That he can make it through the league once? He has just over 50 total plate appearances in AAA right now.

No doubt he needs some more seasoning. Before this game, Rodrigez's AAA line was .280/ .294/ .360/ .654.

Let's wait to see how well he does after 200 - 300 more ABs in the upper minors just to make sure he's of possible help to the major league club. If he hits well (after 55 ABs-- .327/ .339/ .455/ .794), then, in September, he can come up and play some 3B, perhaps some 2B and give rest where needed.

I will say that his the type of bat the Reds definitely need. He's a switch hitter and has a high BA-driven obp without K'ing too much.

Kc61
07-19-2012, 05:51 PM
I see HRod getting a September call up and competing for a bench spot with the Reds next year. That's my expected timetable.

He may someday be a regular, but he would be a welcome addition to the Reds' bench next season. An actual switch hitter. The Cairo spot is awaiting him.

dougdirt
07-19-2012, 07:07 PM
Dayton is free tonight if you want to watch online - http://www.whiotv.com/s/weather/7weathernow/

membengal
07-19-2012, 08:01 PM
Lotzkar on bump for Pensacola tonite.

HokieRed
07-19-2012, 08:02 PM
I see HRod getting a September call up and competing for a bench spot with the Reds next year. That's my expected timetable.

He may someday be a regular, but he would be a welcome addition to the Reds' bench next season. An actual switch hitter. The Cairo spot is awaiting him.

Exactly. He is Cairo's 2013 replacement.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 08:14 PM
Jacob Johnson got rocked for six runs in the first. Looks like he is setting down now as it is 6-2 going into the bottom of the third. Dragons chip away with two in the bottom of the second on a walk to Ryan Wright and singles by Kyle Waldrop and Sean Buckley.

Vottomatic
07-19-2012, 09:45 PM
That he can make it through the league once? He has just over 50 total plate appearances in AAA right now.

The kid is a natural hitter. It's already obvious. But he wasn't a first round pick so he'll get buried as the Reds fiddle around with their high draft picks and give them every chance to succeed. The excuse machine is in order for guys like H-Rod. Seen for decades. Hence we get guys like Stubbs.

dougdirt
07-19-2012, 09:55 PM
The kid is a natural hitter. It's already obvious. But he wasn't a first round pick so he'll get buried as the Reds fiddle around with their high draft picks and give them every chance to succeed. The excuse machine is in order for guys like H-Rod. Seen for decades. Hence we get guys like Stubbs.

He couldn't be a first round pick even if he wanted. He was not born in the country. And the Reds have aggressively promoted him throughout his career. And yes, the guy is a natural hitter. But he is also 22 years old. You know where Stubbs was when he was 22? In Dayton.

Who are these 22 year olds in AAA that get buried?

The Rage
07-19-2012, 10:09 PM
Lotzkar on bump for Pensacola tonite.

I wish he would stop being on the bump.

Benihana
07-19-2012, 10:09 PM
I see HRod getting a September call up and competing for a bench spot with the Reds next year. That's my expected timetable.

He may someday be a regular, but he would be a welcome addition to the Reds' bench next season. An actual switch hitter. The Cairo spot is awaiting him.

Agreed...unless Rolen goes down in the next 3-4 weeks. Then I'd expect we'd see H-Rod in Cincy earlier. Otherwise, he likely sticks with the big club next year (or flipped at the deadline).

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:16 PM
Pensacola scored a run in the first on doubles by LaMarre and Mills and then tack on four in the fifth, the big blow being a three-run blast by Josh Fellhauer. Kyle Lotzkar had a bumpy evening, giving up four runs in 4.1 innings of work. He only allowed two hits but walked six. He also struck out six. Drew Hayes came on in the fifth with two runners aboard and allowed both of them to come on home, giving up two hits and a walk in two-thirds of an inning.

membengal
07-19-2012, 10:17 PM
Six walks for Lotzkar. In 4 1/3 innings. Maybe Cingrani can direct him toward the plate.

Hamilton 0 for 2 with a BB and a caught stealing.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:19 PM
Pensacola adds another run in the top of the sixth on a walk to David Vidal and a double by Tucker Barnhart. 6-4 Blue Hoos.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:21 PM
Dayton falls 10-6. Buckley three hits, Perez with two. Johnson, Cole and Jensen threw for the Dragons. None particularly well.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:25 PM
Drew Cisco with a rough outing for Billings. 3IP 5H 6R 4ER 1BB 1K. Jose Amezcua on in relief has pitched a scoreless frame. One hit for the Mustangs - Wagner Gomez. Zachary Vincej looks like he is making his first start. He drove in the lone Billings' run with a ground out. Beau Amaral walked, stole second and scored on an error. Mustangs trail 6-2 after four innings.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Josh Smith pitching for Bakersfield who went down in order in the top of the first.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:28 PM
Pedro Diaz has struck out three and given up nothing in two innings out in Arizona. AZL Reds opened the game with consecutive singles by Peterson, Valor and Matthews and lead 1-0 early.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:34 PM
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texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:56 PM
Pensacola involved in a shoot out. After taking a 6-4 lead in the top of the sixth, Chris Manno gives up two in the bottom half of the inning, tying things up at six. Josh Ravin, making his Wahoo debut, put out the fire. In the top of the seventh Billy Hamilton singles, moves up to second on a balk and then scores the go-ahead run on Josh Fellhauer's third hit on the night. Pensacola leads 7-6.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 10:57 PM
Billings continues to chip away at the Orem lead. They score two in the fifth and one in the sixth and now trail 6-5. Amezcua with three scoreless innings in relief. Jesse Winker a single and an RBI. Carlos Sanchez a single and a run scored. Beau Amaral walked again and scored another run.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:00 PM
Blaze batters have gone 9 up and 9 down. Four on strikeouts. Josh Smith gave up a pair of runs in the first. Bakersfield trails 2-0.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:02 PM
Pedro Diaz has allowed just one hit and no walks while striking out five through three. Adam Matthews has driven in both runs. AZL Rojos lead 2-0.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:21 PM
Pensacola stretches its lead to 8-6. Billy Hamilton singles home a run in the 8th. He has two hits and a walk tonight. Josh Ravin went 1.2 IP and struck out 3 while walking noone and giving up just one hit. Curtis Partch is on for Pensacola to pitch the 8th.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:22 PM
Bakersfield bats are ice cold. Now 12 up and 12 down. High Desert scored another run and lead 3-0 after four.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:24 PM
Winker tripled and Mejias-Brean singled him home to tie the game at 6 in the top of the seventh. Orem comes right back in the home half and plates a pair. Billings trails 8-6.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:25 PM
Jeff Gelalich has been fitted for the Golden Sombrero for the Mustangs.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:26 PM
Pedro Diaz surrendered two runs, just one earned, in the top of the fourth. 2-2 in Arizona. Brent Peterson just accomplished the fielding equivalent of the Golden Sombrero. Four errors (throw, catch, throw, throw). Five innings to go.

texasdave
07-19-2012, 11:29 PM
Jonathon Reynoso homered in the bottom of the fourth to put the Baby Reds up 3-2. But a leadoff homer in the top of the fifth has knotted things up at 3.

PuffyPig
07-19-2012, 11:34 PM
The kid is a natural hitter. It's already obvious. But he wasn't a first round pick so he'll get buried as the Reds fiddle around with their high draft picks and give them every chance to succeed. The excuse machine is in order for guys like H-Rod. Seen for decades. Hence we get guys like Stubbs.

He has 1 walk at AAA and shown no power. If he wants to get called up, he'll have to prove he can hit at the higher levels.

ucnum1
07-19-2012, 11:54 PM
Caught the Pensacola game tonight.

Few thoughts,Kyle Lotzkar definetly has a major league arm,if he can ever get major league control big doubts about.Fastball is around 91-93 Ive seen him hit 95 generally tops out at 94.slider comes in the low 80's.He tends to throw his slider up and over the plate when he gets wild and he gets hit hard when he does.

Billy Hamilton looks pretty good in the field to me so far.Good aniticpation and breaks on ground balls and his arm is very solid.At the plate he has been robbed a few times seems to make solid contact on the ball.

Tom Servo
07-20-2012, 03:42 AM
I've heard it claimed several times and I don't get the argument that the Reds baby or give unfair advantages to their first round picks (as many as 6+ years removed) at all.

camisadelgolf
07-20-2012, 05:23 AM
I've heard it claimed several times and I don't get the argument that the Reds baby or give unfair advantages to their first round picks (as many as 6+ years removed) at all.
Every team does it. The more money you have invested in a player, the more chances and better treatment you will give them. I don't see anything that indicates the Reds do it noticeably more than other organizations.

texasdave
07-20-2012, 05:26 AM
Pensacola holds on 8-6. Fellhauer and Brodie three hits each. Fellhauer's included a bomb and four ribbies. Hamilton reached three times on two hits and a walk. Partch pitched a scoreless 8th and Freeman a scoreless 9th for the save.

texasdave
07-20-2012, 05:29 AM
Bakersfield falls 5-2. Devin Lohman hit his 10th home run on the season. Danny Vicioso tripled and scored. Josh Smith with a subpar outing. 8 hits, 3 walks and four earned runs in 4.2 innings pitched. Justice French a scoreless inning and a third, striking out two.

texasdave
07-20-2012, 05:35 AM
Billings scored twice in the visitor's half of the ninth to give the Orem fans some free baseball but eventually fall by a score of 9-8 in 11 innings. Leadoff batter Beau Amaral went hitless but walked three times and scored two runs. Jesse Winker was 2 for 6. Seth Mejias-Brean and Taylor Wrenn chipped in a pair of hits apiece. Sean Lucas faced two batters and struck them both out.
Orem scored the winning run in the bottom of the 11th of Erik Miller without the benefit of a base hit. A one-out walk was followed by an error on the throw on a pickoff attempt, a hits batsman, a wild pitch, an intentional base on balls and, mercifully, another hits batsman to end the proceedings.

texasdave
07-20-2012, 05:41 AM
Wrapping things up, the AZL Reds give up two runs in the top of the ninth after coming within three outs of notching their first home win of the season. They are now 4-17 overall and 0-10 at home. Brent Peterson picked up his fifth error on the game. Jonathan Reynoso had two solo home runs for the Reds of Goodyear.

texasdave
07-20-2012, 06:04 AM
It seems as if Ronald Torreyes didn't forget how to hit after all. He has gotten multiple hits in 6 of his last 8 games. (14-35). Since the first of June he is stroking the ball at a .327 clip. (48-147) This includes 12 doubles, 1 triple and 3 home runs. Not bad for the Florida State League. At the end of a forgettable month of May he was batting just .184. He has raised that more than 70 points and is now sitting at .255. El Raton is a bad man when wielding El Baton.

bellhead
07-20-2012, 08:07 AM
It seems as if Ronald Torreyes didn't forget how to hit after all. He has gotten multiple hits in 6 of his last 8 games. (14-35). Since the first of June he is stroking the ball at a .327 clip. (48-147) This includes 12 doubles, 1 triple and 3 home runs. Not bad for the Florida State League. At the end of a forgettable month of May he was batting just .184. He has raised that more than 70 points and is now sitting at .255. El Raton is a bad man when wielding El Baton.

Not bad for a 20 year old at high A... Also dude wields GG at 2nd.

Out of all the guys traded I really like him the most and wanted to see him and Billy kill it for 10 years in the Nati..

Vottomatic
07-20-2012, 08:08 AM
He has 1 walk at AAA and shown no power. If he wants to get called up, he'll have to prove he can hit at the higher levels.

Agree about the walks, but he is at the highest minor league level now and so far is still hitting like he did at the lower levels. If he remains .300+ the rest of the season, he has nothing left to prove in the minors. He may flop in the majors, with the same struggle as Juan Francisco not being able to take a walk.

rgslone
07-20-2012, 09:33 AM
I don't know anything about the issue of Henry Rodriguez's walk rate. I mean does he almost refuse to take a walk or is it more that he makes such good contact that when he sees close pitches he just hits them? I'm sure Doug and others on here could provide insight on that. However, if that walk rate thing isn't a hindrence (and again others would have to enlighten me on that), then he seems like a great prospect as a #2 hitter.

Also, didn't Rodriguez play SS last night? I wonder if he could eventually spot start at SS in the majors - if so, that would seem to make him a very valuable utility prospect (e.g., 3B, 2B and SS)? Still, if his bat plays out like it looks to be now, then I'd want him in the lineup everyday as a starter, rather than simply a spot start utility player.

lollipopcurve
07-20-2012, 09:39 AM
that would seem to make him a very valuable utility prospect (e.g., 3B, 2B and SS)? Still, if his bat plays out like it looks to be now, then I'd want him in the lineup everyday as a starter, rather than simply a spot start utility player.

He did play SS last night, and he played a lot of SS in his early years in the system. I doubt he could be a regular major league SS, but he does profile just about perfectly as a utility player. Problem is, with a bat that good and at 22 years old, he is a guy you'd be wasting if you stuck him on the bench. If it were up to me, he'd be competing for the starting 3B spot next spring (assuming he's not traded -- though I think there's a good chance he will be).

Scrap Irony
07-20-2012, 01:01 PM
Rodriguez is too squat to be a good SS. He needs to drop some weight and tone up what he has. (He's not Juan Francisco, but he's got an extra 25 lbs. on him.) He also waddles a bit-- it almost looks like his feet hurt.

His glove is fine, his arm's okay, his range is nothing special. Overall, he's playing to hit.

As to the no-power meme, two of the past three years, his slugging percentage reached the mid .460's. This year, in Pensacola (where almost everyone has struggled to hit for power), he regressed. But it was only 150-ish ABs.

I'm guessing, if he gets the ABs, Rodriguez will end up .300+/ .350+/ .450+/ .800+ in his best seasons and a mid .750 OPS in his poor ones. In today's game, a projected .350 wOBA would make him the sixth best 3B in baseball. That ranking is his ceiling, IMO. A .330 wOBA would still rank him in the top half of the game. That, IMO, is where he would rank given his hit tool and a bit of power.

Vottomatic
07-20-2012, 02:22 PM
He did play SS last night, and he played a lot of SS in his early years in the system. I doubt he could be a regular major league SS, but he does profile just about perfectly as a utility player. Problem is, with a bat that good and at 22 years old, he is a guy you'd be wasting if you stuck him on the bench. If it were up to me, he'd be competing for the starting 3B spot next spring (assuming he's not traded -- though I think there's a good chance he will be).

Me too. If his average holds up at Louisville, I'd like to see him get a look next Spring.