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cinreds21
07-21-2012, 08:47 PM
Lefty Tony Cingrani has not pitched since July 13 and has been skipped in Pensacola's rotation.

Also, Billy Hamilton isn't in tonight's lineup.


Anyone else think this is strange? (I do like to stir the pot though.)

Bane Let the games begin - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEGc5EmOXxc&feature=player_detailpage)

RedEye
07-21-2012, 08:55 PM
Hmmm... and more tidbits on this, Mr. Insider? :)

Tom Servo
07-21-2012, 08:55 PM
"And Here We Go" - Joker - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk)

cinreds21
07-21-2012, 08:58 PM
I haven't any.

klw
07-21-2012, 08:59 PM
Hamilton and Cingrani have paired up and are trying to track down DougDirt for the offense of not hyping them as much as the rest of the World Wide Interweb.

camisadelgolf
07-21-2012, 09:02 PM
This happens every year. It's probably just a day off for Hamilton, and maybe Cingrani's skipping a start or two to keep him fresh. He has already thrown more than twice as many innings as he did last year, and I'm sure the Reds would like it if they didn't have to shut him down before the playoffs start.

cinreds21
07-21-2012, 09:04 PM
Pretty sure that's the case, Camis, but it is fun to see people's reactions to the unknown.

Tom Servo
07-21-2012, 09:06 PM
I do think there's a chance Walt pulls the trigger on a deal that nobody sees coming.

_Sir_Charles_
07-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Lefty Tony Cingrani has not pitched since July 13 and has been skipped in Pensacola's rotation.

Also, Billy Hamilton isn't in tonight's lineup.


Anyone else think this is strange? (I do like to stir the pot though.)


It doesn't make me think trade...it makes me think injury.

Vottomatic
07-21-2012, 09:15 PM
Giancarlo Stanton.

Scrap Irony
07-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Giancarlo Stanton.

Heh.

If that's the case, the Reds just became the league favorite.

klw
07-21-2012, 09:43 PM
Forget skipping Cingrani, here are world record setting skipping dogs.
Skipping dogs break world's greatest record - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7edc0S7xh0&feature=related)

bellhead
07-21-2012, 10:10 PM
I'd take Stanton in a heartbeat...

I(heart)Freel
07-21-2012, 11:44 PM
No official word saying it was a scheduled off day yadda yadda yadda?

If no, hmm indeed.

corkedbat
07-21-2012, 11:46 PM
Juan Pierre is ours! :evil:

bellhead
07-22-2012, 12:24 AM
Cingrani and Hamilton to the Fish for Giancarlo Stanton...

Arroyo to the Yanks for two prospects the Cubs want for Dempster...

Scrap Irony
07-22-2012, 12:31 AM
Who becomes the fifth starter?

corkedbat
07-22-2012, 12:55 AM
Who becomes the fifth starter?

If the Reds could pull this off (which I seriously doubt) and needed a 5th starter, I would say it would be Todd Redmond (if they didn't move Aroldis to the rotation). Billy Hamilton and Tony Cingrani could probably land several very good major leaguers, but I don't think Stanton is one of them. I think the Fish would demand at least twice that. It might land Upton.

I don't think Walt will aim that high though and don't see Hamilton (especially, Corcino or Cingrani going anywhere. I think Billy Hamilton is being penciled in as the Reds leadoff hitter sometime between a year from now and ST 2014 and Corcino and Cingrani are expected to fight it out for Arroyo's spot after he leaves following next season.

Mario-Rijo
07-22-2012, 11:34 AM
Who becomes the fifth starter?

I think he means Dempster to be the 5th if I'm reading it right.

bellhead
07-22-2012, 11:41 AM
I think he means Dempster to be the 5th if I'm reading it right.

Yes..

two #1's leading the charge into the playoffs. #4 back between Votto and Bruce.

Lead off is the only position left to fix.

kaldaniels
07-23-2012, 12:59 AM
Yes..

two #1's leading the charge into the playoffs. #4 back between Votto and Bruce.

Lead off is the only position left to fix.

Taking away Hamilton and Cingrani, what 2 prospects do you think Theo would want in return for Dempster?

membengal
07-23-2012, 07:33 AM
I assume everyone saw the tweets last night, I think from McAlister of all people, which confirmed the Reds skipped Cingrani to help manage his workload/innings etc. He pitched 51 last year, and is already at 101 this year.

He's otherwise fine.

And...in my opinion...good on the Reds.

JaxRed
07-23-2012, 08:54 AM
Good news.

Mario-Rijo
07-23-2012, 09:05 AM
I assume everyone saw the tweets last night, I think from McAlister of all people, which confirmed the Reds skipped Cingrani to help manage his workload/innings etc. He pitched 51 last year, and is already at 101 this year.

He's otherwise fine.

And...in my opinion...good on the Reds.

That's quite a jump in IP, scary. Keep an eye out for the Verducci effect next season (He and Homer).

Scrap Irony
07-23-2012, 10:39 AM
Don't forget his 57 IP at Rice last season.

If you add those to his IP as a professional, he's right around 110 IP.

That likely means he's okay until about Inning 140 or 150.

Big Klu
07-23-2012, 11:00 AM
That's quite a jump in IP, scary. Keep an eye out for the Verducci effect next season (He and Homer).

Bailey threw 162 innings last year, and has already thrown 200 innings in a season (2009).

Mario-Rijo
07-23-2012, 04:18 PM
Bailey threw 162 innings last year, and has already thrown 200 innings in a season (2009).

You must be counting minor league innings then right? I guess I forgot to include those.

Brutus
07-23-2012, 04:20 PM
That's quite a jump in IP, scary. Keep an eye out for the Verducci non-effect next season (He and Homer).

Fixed :thumbup:

Mario-Rijo
07-23-2012, 04:22 PM
Fixed :thumbup:

Is there some findings now to the contrary, I haven't seen anything? Granted I know it was never a concrete factual study but it certainly seems like there was something to it a majority of the time.

Benihana
07-24-2012, 11:14 AM
Cingrani is scheduled to go tonight.

Castellini, Jocketty, and Bavasi are all scheduled to be there to see him.

There are reports of a major announcement (ie affiliate extension) to be made.

Is it possible they could make another "announcement" if they like or don't like what they see in the game?


#justasking

Dan
07-24-2012, 12:45 PM
Is there some findings now to the contrary, I haven't seen anything? Granted I know it was never a concrete factual study but it certainly seems like there was something to it a majority of the time.

It's pretty much bunk.

medford
07-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Is there some findings now to the contrary, I haven't seen anything? Granted I know it was never a concrete factual study but it certainly seems like there was something to it a majority of the time.

I believe it was as much hit as it was miss on the predicator, which likely tells you nothing specific.

However, as a guideline in how to build up innings in an arm, it seems like a pretty good template to follow from the low minors up thru a pitchers major league prime.