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dougdirt
07-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Stephenson on the mound for Dayton. First batter, 96, 97 and breaking ball three pitch strikeout.

New Fever
07-27-2012, 08:04 PM
Just hit 101!

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 08:05 PM
Stadium gun read 101 on a pitch to the second batter. 5 scouts here....their eyes are lighting up.

New Fever
07-27-2012, 08:06 PM
Struck out the side, wow.

OesterPoster
07-27-2012, 08:07 PM
Is this kid for real? Geez.

The Rage
07-27-2012, 08:09 PM
That is scary throwing that hard. My arm just aches at the thought of it.

dougdirt
07-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Redseer, how close to accurate is that stadium gun?

Yorman Rodriguez with a double and a walk so far tonight. Battled for that walk after falling behind 1-2. Fouled off a few pitches and took a few more.

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Sitting right behind home plate. Fastball sitting 95-98, topping out in triple digits. Has a little bit of sink on it, too. Curve around 77-79, good downward bite. He's showing a change in warmups, 84-86 mph, maybe a little bit of downward movement. Probably will need some work in the future

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Redseer, how close to accurate is that stadium gun?

Yorman Rodriguez with a double and a walk so far tonight. Battled for that walk after falling behind 1-2. Fouled off a few pitches and took a few more.

I've seen at least one scout's gun read 100+. Some of the scout guns are faster than the stadium gun. After the 101, all five of them just turned to each other like "Did you just get that too?"

The Rage
07-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Redseer, how close to accurate is that stadium gun?

Yorman Rodriguez with a double and a walk so far tonight. Battled for that walk after falling behind 1-2. Fouled off a few pitches and took a few more.

It is legit. Guy is a true power arm. Sits in the mid-upper 90's unlike Bailey who was really a 91-94mph guy. Anything more is just to hard on his arm over long term. With Stephenson, that is softball.

Hopefully they can keep him healthy.

dougdirt
07-27-2012, 08:37 PM
It is legit. Guy is a true power arm. Sits in the mid-upper 90's unlike Bailey who was really a 91-94mph guy. Anything more is just to hard on his arm over long term. With Stephenson, that is softball.

Hopefully they can keep him healthy.

I know Stephenson can throw that hard, it just doesn't mean that he is every time out.

As for Bailey, I saw him at 94-96, touching 98 in the minors. That didn't last for the whole time he was in the minors, but there was a time when he could do that for long stretches of time.

Vottomatic
07-27-2012, 08:38 PM
The California Missile. :D

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Stephenson definitely lost some velocity that inning. Not too surprising, he's got some room to fill out. Got to remember, he's only 18-19 years old.

The Rage
07-27-2012, 08:43 PM
I know Stephenson can throw that hard, it just doesn't mean that he is every time out.

As for Bailey, I saw him at 94-96, touching 98 in the minors. That didn't last for the whole time he was in the minors, but there was a time when he could do that for long stretches of time.

No disagreement from me. But I think it was to tough on his arm or at least he thinks so. Starting pitchers generally don't want to pitch from their max effort and I think 94-98mph was all from full effort while 91-95mph is his cruising speed. Still a good arm, classic righty.

Stephs got a elite arm though. I bet 95mph is his cruising speed.

redsof72
07-27-2012, 09:06 PM
The gun here will bring up some false readings but he looks great. Doubt if the 101 was legit but he was in the high 90's in the first inning. He has been in the 93-95 range since. Using his other pitches with frequency. This kid is the goods.

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 09:08 PM
Stephenson started throwing the changeup a little more. It looks good when mixed in with a plus fastball.

If you can't tell, I'm impressed.

The Rage
07-27-2012, 09:08 PM
Steph gives up his first run in Dayton on a error. So it doesn't count in the ERA column:)

dougdirt
07-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Stephenson started throwing the changeup a little more. It looks good when mixed in with a plus fastball.

If you can't tell, I'm impressed.

Could use some more fastball command, but yeah, he has been pretty darn impressive.

REDSEER
07-27-2012, 09:18 PM
On a non-Stephenson related note, Junior Arias looks completely overmatched right now.

JayBruceFan
07-27-2012, 09:22 PM
Right now? Try all season. He is in over his head right now, I'm surprised that he is still with the team to tell you the truth

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 09:35 PM
Pensacola scored two in the bottom of the second on double by Josh Feldhauer, a double by David Vidal and a single by pitcher JC Sulbaran. Sulbaran has given up a run on three hits with 3 BB's and 5 K's. 2-0 Wahoos after four.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 09:38 PM
Hoos come back in the fifth with a run on a triple by Billy, who scored when the SS dropped the relay throw from the OF (think he was rushing much?). :D

Sulbaran with another walk and another K in the to of the fifth, but no runs. 3-1 Hoos after five.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 09:44 PM
Bats tied with Buffalo at 1-1 with L'Ville batting in the bottom of the 5th. The Bats run scored when Soto reached on an erro, moved to second on a walk and scored on a throwing error by the pitcher. Tim Gustafson started. Has given up a run on three hits with a walk and 4 K's. Singles by Denis Phipps and Chris Valaika are the only hits so far for L'Ville

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 09:49 PM
Billings batting in the bottom of the 3rd with no score against Helena. Ismail Guillon with the start. Has given up three hits and K'd two through three. ERA down to 2.81. Jesse Winker with a BB (shock!) as the only base runner for the Mustangs.

Vottomatic
07-27-2012, 09:53 PM
Billings batting in the bottom of the 4rd with no score against Helena. Ismail Guillon with the start. Has given up three hits and K'd two through three. ERA down to 2.81. Jesse Winker with a BB (shock!) as the only base runner for the Mustangs.

4rd? :laugh:

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 09:56 PM
The Hoos add another run in that 5th inning on a walk by Donald Lutz and a double by Beau Mills. Huntsville scored one of their own in the top of the 6th. Now 4-2 Pensacola.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:08 PM
Jesse Winker just put the Stangs up 1-0 on his first professional HR. Billings leads after four.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:20 PM
The Blue Hoos get the run back in the bottom of the sixth on a single by Tucker Barnhart, a walk by Hamilton and a 2-out single by Ryan LaMarre, 5-2 Hoos after six. Drew Hayes replaced JC on the mound.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:22 PM
Sulbaran's final line:

5.1 5 2 2 4 5 1 4.04

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:30 PM
In Arizona, the Reds Runts are score less after 1.5 against the Diminutive Dodgers. Adam Matthews led off the game with a single - only Reds hit so far. Nick Masset on rehab assignment, gets the start. K's the side in the 1st around an error by 1B Jhimmy Lopez.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:39 PM
Donnie Joseph comes on for the Bats in the top of the 6th. Allows a runner on an error by Valaka but nothing else. 1-1 tied with the Bats coming up in the bottom of the 6th.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:42 PM
Huntsville still whittling away with a run off Hayes in the top of the seventh. 5-3 Hoos, middle of the 7th.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:51 PM
Three big runs in the top of the 3rd for Goodyear. Jonathan Reynoso and Daniel Paula singled, then Brayan Arias followed with his first pro HR.3-0 Lil Reds after 2.5.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:54 PM
Another run for the Hoos in the bottom of the seventh. Walks to Feldhauer and Brodie gren, then David Vidal singles Feldhaer home. 6-3 the Blue Wahoos,

BEETTLEBUG
07-27-2012, 10:57 PM
Another run for the Hoos in the bottom of the seventh. Walks to Feldhauer and Brodie gren, then David Vidal singles Feldhaer home. 6-3 the Blue Wahoos,

Wrong Header title, it is July 27th not June 27th.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 10:58 PM
The Bats break the deadlock with two in the bottom of the 6th on a walk to HRod and Soto's 13th HR. 3-1 L'Ville with the Bats up in the bottom of the 7th.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Billings with a huge 5-run marker in the bottom of the 5th. Matt Lentz singles to start things off and roade home on a 2B by Jon Matthews. Matthews scored on a WP and a throwing error. Brandon Dailey then tripled and Jesse Winler plated him with a single. Winker then came around on Seth-Mejias Brean's fifth HR. SMB impressing at the plate. 6-0 Billings with them coming to bat in the bottom of the 6th.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:14 PM
The Blaze get a double from Stephen Hunt and a BB by Travis Mattair, but don't score. Tim Crabbe pitching.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:15 PM
Wrong Header title, it is July 27th not June 27th.

That's one typo I didn't make. :D

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:21 PM
Huntsville gets 2 in the top of the 8th to make it 6-5, nut the Hoos have scored once in the bottom of the inning on a single by Miguel Rojas and a double from Ryan LeMarre. 7-5 Pensacola after 8 complete.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:25 PM
Meanwhile in Goodyear, the Dodgers score single runs in the bottom of the 3rd & 4th innings. Reds lead 3-2 after 4.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Louisville holds on for the 3-1 win. Donnie Joseph (4-0/2.49) with two scoreless innings for the win. Nick Christiani and TJ Hoover followed him with a scorless inning each. Hoover got his 7th save.

Soto homered and Phipps, Gregorious, Valaika and Costanzo each had a single.

dougdirt
07-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Wrong Header title, it is July 27th not June 27th.

June. July. It is all the same, right? :laugh:

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:42 PM
Justin Freeman allows 2 singles and a walk in the top of the 9th, but holds on for his 11th save. Pensacola wins 7-5. Sulbaran now 7-7/4.04.

Billy Hamilton 1-4, R, 3B, BB
Ryan LaMarre 2-4, 2B, 2 RBI, BB
Beau Mills 2-5, 2 2B, RBI
Josh Feldhauer 2-3, 2 R, 2B, BB
David Vidal 2-4, R, 2B 2 RBI

Vottomatic
07-27-2012, 11:49 PM
I'm having fun watching the guys from this year's draft. So far looking good. Really fun getting to see Stephenson.

The farm system is at the beginning of a resurgence. Triple A will probably be pretty well stocked next year (I hope). And the Reds will have more to deal if needed.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Dayton holds on for a 7-5 win. Robert Stephenson (1-0/0.00) for the win.

Juan Perez 3-6, 3B, RBI
Yorman Rodriguez 2-4, 2 R, 2B, BB
Sean Buckley 3-5, 2B, 2 RBI
Kyle Waldrop 2-3, 2 R, 3B, BB

Vottomatic
07-27-2012, 11:51 PM
With Arias struggling so badly, how long before Brean might get promoted?

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2012, 11:52 PM
What was Stephenson's final line? Anybody?

Vottomatic
07-27-2012, 11:54 PM
5 IP, 1 hit (single) allowed, 2 walks, 6 K's.

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:55 PM
Billings still leads 6-0 after 7.5. Ishmail Guillon (6), Nolan Becker (1) and Jesus Adames (1) have pitched 8 shutout innings giving up 5 hits (all by Guillon) only one BB (Becker) while K'ing 9 (Guillon 5, Becker 2, Adames 2).

corkedbat
07-27-2012, 11:58 PM
Robert Maddox leads off the bottom of the 8th with his 9th HR. 7-0 now with the Mustangs still batting..

11larkin11
07-27-2012, 11:59 PM
SMB, Winker, Moscot, Maddox, and maybe even Guillon need to be in Dayton.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:01 AM
Stockton scores 2 in the top of the 2nd, but the Blaze gets one back in the bottom of the 4th obn Steve Selsky's 9th longball of the season. Bakersfield trails 2-1 going to the 5th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:05 AM
The AZL Dodgers get single runs in the 3rd & 4th and have scored 3 more in the top of the sixth of Wandy Peralta. Dodgers still batting. Vaughn Covington coming on in relief. Runty Reds trail now 5-3.

Masset went 2.2 with no hits and 6 K's but allowed a run (might have been the five walks he surrendered) :(. Peralta went 2-2 with 3 hits and 4 runs. Wandy k'd 4, but also walked five. Only 2 of the runs he allowed were earned (five Reds errors so far). The Dodgers have scored five runs on two hits with no HR's.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:20 AM
Jordan Remer comes on to finish off the 7-0 win for Billings. He allowed a singled, but K'd two. The Mustangs pitchers allowed 6 hits and K'd 11.

Brandon Dailey, 1-4, R, 3B
Jesse Winker 2-3, 2 R, HR, 2 RBI, BB
Seth Mejias Brean 1-4, R, HR, 2 RBI
Robert Maddox 1-4, R, HR, RBI
Daniel Pigott 1-3, BB
Jon Mathews 1-4, R, 2B, RBI

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:23 AM
Perfect night for the system so far with the Reds, Bats, Wahoos, Dragons and Mustangs winners so far, but the Blaze and the Runts are both trailing in the late games.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:27 AM
The AZL Dodgers go on to score a total of six runs in that botom of the sixth. The Cactus Canines do get a run back in the 7th on Argenis Aldazoro's 3rd HR of the year. Brayan Arias followed with a double, but was stranded. AZL Dodgers lead 8-4 going to the bottom of the 7th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:44 AM
Robert Lewis Walker comes on to pitch the bottom of the 7th, but doesn't fare much better. He allows the Dodgers to score three more times and they now lead 11-4 going to the 8th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 12:54 AM
Bakersfield comes on strong in the bottom of the 5th with three runs. Theo Nic Vasquez walks to lead off the inning, Theo Bowe reaches on an INF single him to 3rd then goes to 2nd on his 39th SB. Vas scores when Devin Lohman reaqches on an error. Stepehn Hunt Walks to load the bases. Bowe scored on a FC by Travis Mattair. Steve Selsky reached on an iBB and then Bowe came home on a Sac Fly by Dominic D'Anna.

That gave the Blaze a 4-2 lead at the time, but Dan Wolford came on in relief of Crabbe and surrerended a 2-out double followed by a HR. Now tied at 4 with the Blaze batting in the bottom of the 6th.

dougdirt
07-28-2012, 01:08 AM
Why did Nick Masset go 2.2 innings? I know it is rehab and all, but that just seems strange.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 01:24 AM
James Walczak comes on to pitch the top of the 7th and surrenders the lead on a leadoff HR. Bakersfield now trails, batting in the bottom of the 7th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 01:27 AM
The Blaze battle back inthe bottom of the 7th with rwo runs of their own on a BB to Mattair, a double by Selsky, an iBB to load the bases to Dominic D'Anna and a 2-run double by Juan Duran. Now 6-5 Bakersfield going to the 8th.

19braves77
07-28-2012, 01:40 AM
Billy Hamilton Inside The Park Home Run - 7/27/12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BD_wgJUhQ)

Here's Billys triple from tonight !

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 01:42 AM
The AZL Reds with a big 5-run, but fall 11-9 to the AZL Dodgers.

Top of 9th:

Reynoso with a leadoff walk, Arias HBP, Adam Matthews singles in Reynoso, Humberto Valor walked to load the bases, Arias scores on a WP and Tanner Rahier hit a 3-run HR (His fourth). Big knock for Tanner - he needed it.

Adam Matthews 3-5, R, RBI
Humberto Valor 0-2, R, 2 BB
Tanner Rahier 1-4, R, HR, 3 RBI, BB
Jimmy Lopez 1-5, 2B
Avian Rachal 1-4, BB
Argenis Aldazoro 1-4, R, HR, RBI
Jonathan Reynoso 1-2, 2 R, 2 BB
Daniel Paula 1-4, R
Brayan Arias 2-3, 2 R, 2B, HR, 2 RBI, HBP

Not much in the way of pitching highlights

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 01:46 AM
Stockton-Bakersfield has truly turned into a seesaw affair with two runs on the 2nd 2-run HR Walczak has surrednered in his two innings of work. Stockton now leads 7-6 with the Blaze batting in the bottom of the 8th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 01:49 AM
The Blaze have now tied it at 7, Bowe singles to leadoff, Hunt singles him to third and Bowe scores on a PB. Going to the 9th. Blaine Howell on to pitch.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 02:09 AM
The pattern continues. Howell walks a batter, J's the next one and then allows a on-eout double. Nico Vazquez cuts the go-ahead run down at the plate but then Nico allows a two-out run rto scores when he boots the next groundball. Howell then allows a run-scoring double and issues an iBB to load them up with two outs. Nico throws out the next runner, but the damage is done. The Blaze trail 9-7 going to the bottom of the 9th.

corkedbat
07-28-2012, 02:23 AM
Nico tries to atone by reaching on a two-out error, but Theo Bowe K's to end the game. The Blaze fall 9-7.

Theo Bowe 3-6, 2 R, SB (Now hiting .340)
Stephen Hunt 3-4, 2 2B, BB
Travis Mattair -3, R, RBI, 2 BB
Steve Selsky 2-3, 2 R, 2B, HR, RBI, 2 BB (Now hitting .341)
Juan Duran 1-5, 2B, 2 RBI

REDblooded
07-28-2012, 02:52 AM
I know Stephenson can throw that hard, it just doesn't mean that he is every time out.

As for Bailey, I saw him at 94-96, touching 98 in the minors. That didn't last for the whole time he was in the minors, but there was a time when he could do that for long stretches of time.

Didn't Bailey's VELO drop when the Reds adjusted his motion to hold the occasional base runner?

powersackers
07-28-2012, 03:48 AM
Meijas-Brean has 4 more pro homers in 79 PAs than he hit all season in NCAA (268 PAs).

dougdirt
07-28-2012, 09:52 AM
Meijas-Brean has 4 more pro homers in 79 PAs than he hit all season in NCAA (268 PAs).

He only hit two in his entire three year starting career in Arizona. He has 5 in a handful of games in Billings. He supposedly put on batting practice shows, but just couldn't do it in the games.

dougdirt
07-28-2012, 10:08 AM
Billy Hamilton Inside The Park Home Run - 7/27/12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BD_wgJUhQ)

Here's Billys triple from tonight !

That outfielder was lost..... Got turned around. At that point it was an easy triple. 10.8 to third and he slowed down half way to third.

Scrap Irony
07-28-2012, 11:58 AM
Why did Nick Masset go 2.2 innings? I know it is rehab and all, but that just seems strange.

Pitch counts.

Scrap Irony
07-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Nico tries to atone by reaching on a two-out error, but Theo Bowe K's to end the game. The Blaze fall 9-7.

Theo Bowe 3-6, 2 R, SB (Now hiting .340)
Stephen Hunt 3-4, 2 2B, BB
Travis Mattair -3, R, RBI, 2 BB
Steve Selsky 2-3, 2 R, 2B, HR, RBI, 2 BB (Now hitting .341)
Juan Duran 1-5, 2B, 2 RBI

Selsky's old for the league, but this is only his second year in pro ball. For his career (122 G, 534 ABs), his line-- .305/ .374/ .513/ .886-- is promising. His K rate in Baksersfied is less than 20% and his BB rate is over 10%. A 23-year-old in A+ is not usually someone to get excited about, but he could be a sleeper moving forward.

Too bad LaMarre or Felhauer hasn't caught fire to be moved up to AAA because Selky deserves to move up as well. Might eventually be a solid fourth OF type. Perhaps more. (Similar to Bryson Smith, actually, as a late-round college draftee.)

_Sir_Charles_
07-28-2012, 12:50 PM
5 IP, 1 hit (single) allowed, 2 walks, 6 K's.

Thanks Vottomatic.

11larkin11
07-28-2012, 01:52 PM
Selsky's old for the league, but this is only his second year in pro ball. For his career (122 G, 534 ABs), his line-- .305/ .374/ .513/ .886-- is promising. His K rate in Baksersfied is less than 20% and his BB rate is over 10%. A 23-year-old in A+ is not usually someone to get excited about, but he could be a sleeper moving forward.

Too bad LaMarre or Felhauer hasn't caught fire to be moved up to AAA because Selky deserves to move up as well. Might eventually be a solid fourth OF type. Perhaps more. (Similar to Bryson Smith, actually, as a late-round college draftee.)

While LaMarre doesn't give you much in the way of power, he's getting on base at a .390 clip. That's pretty good.

dougdirt
07-28-2012, 02:53 PM
Pitch counts.

No, I meant why did he even go past 1 inning. Turns out he didn't. The box score was just wrong. Amir Garrett pitched the next 1.2 innings. Massett went 1 inning and struck out the side. It wasn't corrected until after the game.

j_m_t_us
07-28-2012, 04:17 PM
While LaMarre doesn't give you much in the way of power, he's getting on base at a .390 clip. That's pretty good.

I've heard he's been working on his swing mechanics to generate more power and it seems to be working as last night he was a couple feet away from hitting his 3rd home run in his last 6 games!

The Rage
07-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Didn't Bailey's VELO drop when the Reds adjusted his motion to hold the occasional base runner?

That is what some people think, but he also went through a somewhat consistant velocity surge in 2009, mainly the 2nd half of the year........then had arm problems in 2010-11

I just think throwing 94-98mph was to hard for him. He seems to be comfortable in the 92-94mph range most nights. Which is fine if he can keep refining his breaking stuff. If he gets it to Mat Latos level, he would be pretty good. Matt Cain doesn't throw nearly as hard as he did a couple of years ago either, but that offspeed stuff is super good.

Stephenson topping out around 100 tells me he has one of those "elite" type of arms like Chapman. I would take a Verlander type approach and tell him to save the big gas for later in the game though.

Scrap Irony
07-28-2012, 05:37 PM
I've heard he's been working on his swing mechanics to generate more power and it seems to be working as last night he was a couple feet away from hitting his 3rd home run in his last 6 games!

Sounds great.

If LaMarre can go for double digit HR the rest of the way, he may end up at the back end of the Cincinnati top 10 list. But his .368 obp is likely to drop if he can't show power going forward, and his speed only makes up for so much of that loss in value. In short, even as a CF, LaMarre has to hit with more pop.

Maybe he does that in AAA. Gregorius has, in a limited number of ABs. Stubbs did at the major league level.

But the instances where a prospect improves his slugging greatly from the minors to the majors are few and far between.

RedlegJake
07-30-2012, 02:40 AM
LaMarre has the tools to be a good centerfielder if he can simply jump from almost no power to hitting just 10-15 homers consistently without hurting his other numbers. That would bump up his .slg and so also his .OPS to near .800 levels. I imagine that would vault his prospect status several slots. I know I'd pay a lot more attention to him in that case.

RedlegJake
07-30-2012, 02:51 AM
Stephenson topping out around 100 tells me he has one of those "elite" type of arms like Chapman. I would take a Verlander type approach and tell him to save the big gas for later in the game though.

I wonder how often he is over throwing to hit those numbers and how easy and natural that velocity is for him?

Does the pitch start to flatten out or does he still have some movement on the ball at that speed?

Where is he comfortable or sitting most of the time? Is he really ramping it up big time to hit 100 or is it just 3-4 mph?

Most high velo guys have to learn they are much better pitchers when they pitch at lower velocities - a notch below what they are able to maintain both to command pitches better and to conserve strength for when they need to reach back so they can "blow" it past the batter because it has a decent difference in speed to affect the hitter's timing. Plus as they get warm and loose throwing a bit less hard early they learn they are actually able to throw harder later in the game without losing either command or strength - we're seeing that this year with Homer.

Glad to hear he's got a hammer curve. Has anyone seen it? Is it a true 12-6? Does he come straight overhead or 3/4?

Man the early reports on Robert have been really encouraging, I hope this kid stays healthy!

dougdirt
07-30-2012, 06:32 AM
Stephensons curve on Friday night - http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=23407757

rgslone
07-30-2012, 09:53 AM
I think most guys with Stephenson's kind of stuff would benefit greatly if they could start developing Cueto's approach later in their minor league development. Namely, in the immortal words of Crash Davis: "Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."

Cueto comes across to me as a really, really smart pitcher. Occassionally, I see someone talk about his strikeouts "being down" and I just think they don't realize what he's doing. He's not trying to strike people out - but when he needs to he can and usually does, because he's still got fuel in the tank that he's been storing. I'm sure it takes a special pitcher with super confidence to be able to do what Cueto does - and maybe you also have to be able to change speeds well to sucessfully pull it off - but I think guys with big arms who can pitch like that are going to be very successful.

Scrap Irony
07-30-2012, 10:01 AM
I agree that "hiding" a couple mph for most of the game is great, but I love to see Ks. The more Ks, the less likely batters get lucky.

That said, pitching to contact makes sense if you want to stay in the game longer (thereby lessesning the need on the 'pen and typically poorer 'pen arms) and you have a great defense behind you. Which the Reds do.

mdccclxix
07-30-2012, 10:15 AM
Stephensons curve on Friday night - http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=23407757

His set up and delivery actually remind me of Leake.

rgslone
07-30-2012, 01:12 PM
I agree that "hiding" a couple mph for most of the game is great, but I love to see Ks. The more Ks, the less likely batters get lucky.

That said, pitching to contact makes sense if you want to stay in the game longer (thereby lessesning the need on the 'pen and typically poorer 'pen arms) and you have a great defense behind you. Which the Reds do.

Oh, the truth is I've always been right with you - I love the strikeouts too. I always had a real appreciation for the guys who could get by on little more than pitching "smarts", but I vastly preferred the guy who could strike people out (which is probably why I never wanted to give up on Volquez although everything reasonable said I should). I especially feel that way about relief pitchers. But when a starter with the stuff to K plenty of hitters becomes a master pitcher (a la Greg Maddux), now that is special in my book and I'll take him over the straight gas thrower all day everyday. I think that's what Cueto is quickly becoming. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and predict that if his health holds up and he remains a Red, Cueto will end up being one of the Reds pitching greats [e.g., Soto, Rijo, Browning - and others I didn't see or can't immediately recall (of course Seaver was great for a number of teams)]. Some may say that I'm jumping the gun, but I don't think so.

WahoosFanRyan
07-30-2012, 04:39 PM
Billy Hamilton Inside The Park Home Run - 7/27/12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-BD_wgJUhQ)

Here's Billys triple from tonight !



I took this video, that's also me yelling :lol: Yeah it was a great hit (Almost out of the park), centerfielder threw it to second and it went right past him. Riggleman stopped Billy at 3rd, then realized what happened and sent him (That all happened in a spilt second). Place went nuts when he made it all the way, it was exciting watching him run! Then he stole back to back bases the next night. The boy is like Usain Bolt Jr.!

Also, I'm new to the forum guys, glad to come across it. I'm a big Wahoos fan (live about 15 minutes from the ballpark). Y'all have some great talent down here and have a very prominent future!

JayBruceFan
07-30-2012, 08:42 PM
Kinda crazy to think that the whole sequence of events on the Hamilton play happened in about 12 seconds