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5TimeWSChamps
10-01-2012, 08:15 PM
AJ Green Rookie Year - 65 catches, 1,057 yards, 7 TD's

Andre Johnson Rookie Year - 66 catches, 976 yards, 4 TD's
Calvin Johnson Rookie Year - 48 catches, 756 yards, 4 TD's
Larry Fitzgerald Rookie Year - 58 catches, 780 yards, 8 TD's

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AJ Green 2nd Year (Projected) - 108 catches, 1,712 yards, 12 TD's

Andre Johnson 2nd Year - 79 catches, 1,142 yards, 6 TD's
Calvin Johnson 2nd Year - 78 catches, 1,331 yards, 12 TD's
Larry Fitzgerald 2nd Year - 103 catches, 1,409 yards, 10 TD's

GAC
10-02-2012, 05:47 AM
Simple Rule:

Defensive linemen should be banned from performing any kind of celebration at any point in time. Has there ever been a good celebration from a defensive lineman?

Yeah. Nothing like celebrating for simply doing your job. We get jiggy all the time on the Honda assembly line. :lol:

Sea Ray
10-02-2012, 08:51 AM
Yeah. Nothing like celebrating for simply doing your job. We get jiggy all the time on the Honda assembly line. :lol:

Was this the work of your assembly line?


Honda is recalling 600,000 Accord midsize cars in the U.S. and Canada to fix a faulty power steering hose that can leak fluid and cause a fire.

The recall affects Accords with V-6 engines from the 2003 through 2007 model years. Honda has a report of one fire but no injuries or crashes.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/honda-accord-recall-2012_n_1929735.html

Yachtzee
10-02-2012, 09:31 AM
Was this the work of your assembly line?




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/honda-accord-recall-2012_n_1929735.html

I would say that's a design flaw or a defect coming from the part maker. Can't blame MAC's crew for that.

Ohayou
10-02-2012, 11:26 PM
What's the word on Moch?

camisadelgolf
10-02-2012, 11:40 PM
What's the word on Moch?
He was drafted more for his special teams abilities than as a linebacker prospect. He's extremely athletic but very prone to mental mistakes. I heard the coaches were never all that happy about him.

Ohayou
10-02-2012, 11:45 PM
I mean, his 4 game suspension is up and we're short on quality LBs.

camisadelgolf
10-03-2012, 12:23 AM
I mean, his 4 game suspension is up and we're short on quality LBs.
The league granted him a one-week exemption to help get him back into the swing of things.

KoryMac5
10-05-2012, 01:54 PM
Moch is back and bigger than he was when he sat down. Bengals website says he is up to 270 and still is running a 4.3 40 yd dash. This kid had nice burst in the preseason and was in on the QB a few times. My thinking is that Zimmer and Marvin see him as a hybrid DE who can drop into coverage if needed on certain looks. Can't wait to see him get in the game.

Sea Ray
10-06-2012, 08:44 AM
Moch is back and bigger than he was when he sat down. Bengals website says he is up to 270 and still is running a 4.3 40 yd dash. This kid had nice burst in the preseason and was in on the QB a few times. My thinking is that Zimmer and Marvin see him as a hybrid DE who can drop into coverage if needed on certain looks. Can't wait to see him get in the game.

They haven't activated him yet, have they?

KoryMac5
10-06-2012, 11:20 AM
Next week, they wanted him to have a full week of practice etc...

Sea Ray
10-06-2012, 11:33 AM
Next week, they wanted him to have a full week of practice etc...

You can never have too many pass rushers. He was impressive this summer. It'll be nice to add him to the mix

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 01:40 PM
6-0 lead for the Bengals. Bernard Scott looking good, Dalton not as crisp so far.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 01:46 PM
Bengals D also looking very quick to the ball, in the first quarter. That may change but right now they are flying. A good pass rush will do that for you.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 01:51 PM
This Dolphins defense is looking pretty good.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 02:02 PM
7-6 Miami, we will see how Dalton responds. Thomas with the TD for the Phins. Tannehill did a nice job standing in there for Miami.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 02:15 PM
Hold onto the stinking ball guys!

sonny
10-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Dalton's not sharp, the oline isn't playing well and the receivers must've passed the crisco around before the game.

WMR
10-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Bengals D is pretty damn stout. If we could add another really good DB it would be elite.

Maybe Kirkpatrick if he ever gets healthy.

OldRightHander
10-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Nice stop on the 4th and inches there.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 02:30 PM
Team looks a lot better with Scott mixing in there. Unfortunately he can't stay healthy.

OldRightHander
10-07-2012, 02:41 PM
Can we have some offense in the second half?

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 02:47 PM
Can we have some offense in the second half?

The answer is no.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 02:50 PM
No running game and Miami is taking away all the deep throws. D needs to hold after that pick.

sonny
10-07-2012, 02:51 PM
These guys are playing like the '90s Bengals.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 02:52 PM
These guys are playing like the '90s Bengals.

The 90's Bengals would be down 35-6.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 02:52 PM
With the tougher part of the schedule coming up the Bengals need this game. Gruden has to figure it out.

Stray
10-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Really really ugly game so far. Dalton is usually money in the 4th quarter, he's gonna need to be today.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 02:58 PM
He's either getting no time to throw or when he gets time they are dropping the ball. Hawkins the latest to be infected with the drops.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:11 PM
The Lawfirm needs to be reviewed by the BAR Association. I realize Miami is stout against the run but he has been flat out awful.

Wonderful Monds
10-07-2012, 03:14 PM
Geno Atkins! Critical sack there!

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Gotta take advantage of the missed FG!

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 03:19 PM
Hold onto the stinking ball guys!

This needs to be said again!

Tony Cloninger
10-07-2012, 03:21 PM
Are they seriously having trouble with this Miami team at home?

I keep hoping they blow up these 2 games before PITT.....to at least have a cushion in case of a loss to PITT.

Stray
10-07-2012, 03:26 PM
That was a pretty pass and catch

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:26 PM
Nice touch by Dalton on the fade, has to be the first time in forever I have seen that play called and actually work for those two.

WMR
10-07-2012, 03:41 PM
Rich Gannon sucks at predicting replay challenges. That was obviously not conclusive that he was in the end zone.

OldRightHander
10-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Need to make a good stand, get a late TD, and just take the ugly win.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:51 PM
Gresham is the guy I would be looking for this drive. He's been open the majority of the day.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 03:53 PM
Andrew Hawkins, the most underrated player in the NFL.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:54 PM
Kid has some ups!

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 03:57 PM
Regardless if he made or missed it I would have gone on 4th down.

sonny
10-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Stupid decision by Marvin. Showing no faith in his QB.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 04:02 PM
You kick the FG there because you do have faith in your QB. You show you have faith the defense can make a stop and Dalton can get you back into FG range for the win. But you have to also make that FG.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 04:05 PM
I don't know 4th and 5 with all of those good receivers, spread em out and let it fly.

Ohayou
10-07-2012, 04:07 PM
Aaaaaaaaaand that's game.

WMR
10-07-2012, 04:08 PM
Dalton was garbage today.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 04:10 PM
No threat of a run game kills this team. These are the games you look back on at the end of the season.

Joseph
10-07-2012, 04:12 PM
Bad show again.

WMR
10-07-2012, 04:12 PM
No threat of a run game kills this team. These are the games you look back on at the end of the season.

Law Firm has been a big disappointment so far.

Tony Cloninger
10-07-2012, 04:14 PM
I remember in 1987 and 1989 a bad Dolphins team with nothing but Marino.....beat a high powered Bengals offense, with D.

1987 Boomer drives them down for a score and they barely gained 300 yards the rest of the game.
1989.... they chocked away a 13-3 halftime lead and lost 20-13. This Dolphins team has no Marino and is very average and you basically just blew a game you had no business losing.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 04:23 PM
Law Firm has been a big disappointment so far.

His biggest claim to fame is he is a good guy and doesn't fumble. His YPC is awful and he has fumbled more times this season than in his entire career. If Scott can't stay on the field it is time to move on from both of these guys. Plenty of RB's out there that can fill this gaping hole.

Ohayou
10-07-2012, 05:00 PM
Why, exactly, did they stop feeding Scott the ball? He ran one negative rushing play and they shut him down the rest of the game. Did I miss something?

Boss-Hog
10-07-2012, 05:06 PM
Why, exactly, did they stop feeding Scott the ball? He ran one negative rushing play and they shut him down the rest of the game. Did I miss something?
I was wondering the same thing. Per Hobson, he injured his knee on that negative yardage play.

Tony Cloninger
10-07-2012, 05:25 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Per Hobson, he injured his knee on that negative yardage play.

Like Pacman Jones has been until this year ....along with Dunlap and recently Hall..... Scott seems to be another Bengal who is hurt even more often than most players. I know football injuries are an oxymoron....but this guy cannot stay healthy at all.

KoryMac5
10-07-2012, 05:39 PM
Bengals fear that Scott tore his ACL, on crutches after the game. More tests to come tomorrow when swelling goes down. Tough loss but the Bengals have played without him all season.

sonny
10-07-2012, 05:53 PM
I've always liked Cedric Peerman. I hope we'll get a chance to see more of him in the coming weeks.

5TimeWSChamps
10-07-2012, 08:42 PM
What a joke of a performance.

That was awful

RiverRat13
10-07-2012, 09:09 PM
It was funny to listen to Artrell on the way home try to throw Dalton under the bus. Dalton did not have a great game, but there were several passes thrown to Baby Hawk that he would have caught had he been just average height for a WR.

dougdirt
10-07-2012, 09:23 PM
It was funny to listen to Artrell on the way home try to throw Dalton under the bus. Dalton did not have a great game, but there were several passes thrown to Baby Hawk that he would have caught had he been just average height for a WR.

At the same time, Dalton totally butchered several other passes to other guys too. Dalton played poorly. It happens sometimes.

RiverRat13
10-07-2012, 10:34 PM
At the same time, Dalton totally butchered several other passes to other guys too. Dalton played poorly. It happens sometimes.

I missed where I said Dalton played well.

dougdirt
10-08-2012, 12:57 AM
Well, it seemed that you were implying that Artrell was throwing Dalton under the bus by suggesting he didn't actually play bad.

RiverRat13
10-08-2012, 08:39 AM
Well, it seemed that you were implying that Artrell was throwing Dalton under the bus by suggesting he didn't actually play bad.

Artrell made it sound like Dalton was the only problem. Dalton was certainly a problem, but there were certainly other problems, including his baby brother.

Hoosier Red
10-08-2012, 09:16 AM
It was funny to listen to Artrell on the way home try to throw Dalton under the bus. Dalton did not have a great game, but there were several passes thrown to Baby Hawk that he would have caught had he been just average height for a WR.

That seems an odd complaint. I don't think the fact that Hawkins is short surprised Dalton on the throws. If Dalton was throwing it to him, he obviously thought he could get it to him at a height where Hawkins could catch it.

The fact that he's so short perhaps makes it less likely for the QB to throw it to him, but if Dalton throws the ball too high for a short wide receiver, that's on Dalton for the throw, not the WR for being short.

bucksfan2
10-08-2012, 10:40 AM
Was the call late in the 4th PI on the Bengals? From my vantage point it didn't look like PI but the flag came out.

KoryMac5
10-08-2012, 11:18 AM
If I remember correctly it was on Newman and extended the Phins drive leaving the Bengals with just over 1:30ish to score a TD. Wide Receivers are out of control, lots of high ydg games due to the rules totally favoring the wide outs.

Redsfaithful
10-08-2012, 12:18 PM
I think the Dolphins are going to end up winning 8-10 games and this one will look different at the end of the season, but that being said it's still a bummer. The Bengals need Andy Dalton to win games like that if they're ever going to be a team that makes deep playoff runs. The defense did it's job, they knew going in the running game wasn't going to get much - it was on the passing game to win.

Hillsdale87
10-08-2012, 12:59 PM
It was funny to listen to Artrell on the way home try to throw Dalton under the bus. Dalton did not have a great game, but there were several passes thrown to Baby Hawk that he would have caught had he been just average height for a WR.


I'm not sure how that's Baby Hawk's fault. The throw should be to the height of the receiver. Tom Brady doesn't have any issue throwing to Welker. If you don't think you can get the ball to the receiver because he's too short, don't throw it

LoganBuck
10-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Was the call late in the 4th PI on the Bengals? From my vantage point it didn't look like PI but the flag came out.

It was there, probably shouldn't have been called, but it was there. Newman was in contact with Hartline as the ball was in the air. However Hartline wasn't looking for the ball, and the pass was hurried to avoid the rush. I am not even sure that the Tannehill and Hartline were on the same page as what route to run. The better call there would have been no call.

The real problem is that Newman is toast. He can't cover anyone, and he is a penalty magnet. He plays chippy. Not a good combination. He is picked on relentlessly when he is in the game.

bucksfan2
10-08-2012, 03:05 PM
It was there, probably shouldn't have been called, but it was there. Newman was in contact with Hartline as the ball was in the air. However Hartline wasn't looking for the ball, and the pass was hurried to avoid the rush. I am not even sure that the Tannehill and Hartline were on the same page as what route to run. The better call there would have been no call.

The real problem is that Newman is toast. He can't cover anyone, and he is a penalty magnet. He plays chippy. Not a good combination. He is picked on relentlessly when he is in the game.

From my perspective at the game Hartline was into Newman, back to the ball, but Newman's were inside where he was making contact. It was one of those players where there was contact but Newman in no way, shape, or form was impeding Hartline from getting to the football. It was one of those very questionable calls that should not have been thrown.

KoryMac5
10-08-2012, 03:11 PM
I thought Newman had a better game this week than the previous weeks, so as far as toast goes he is probably burnt but scraped. I would much rather go Pacman and Hall as I really like the job Adam has been doing so far this season. Can anyone tell me what Allen has done this season besides ride and excercise bike and collect a check.

LoganBuck
10-08-2012, 03:28 PM
I thought Newman had a better game this week than the previous weeks, so as far as toast goes he is probably burnt but scraped. I would much rather go Pacman and Hall as I really like the job Adam has been doing so far this season. Can anyone tell me what Allen has done this season besides ride and excercise bike and collect a check.

Drinks the fancy coffee the Dre Kirkpatrick brings him so they can go ride the exercise bikes together?

LoganBuck
10-08-2012, 03:32 PM
From my perspective at the game Hartline was into Newman, back to the ball, but Newman's were inside where he was making contact. It was one of those players where there was contact but Newman in no way, shape, or form was impeding Hartline from getting to the football. It was one of those very questionable calls that should not have been thrown.

That was pretty accurate, in real time it looked like that. The replay showed, a little too much contact from Newman. I think we both agree that it probably shouldn't have been thrown. The problem was Newman put himself in a position where the flag could be thrown. Keep your hands off the receiver downfield!

sonny
10-10-2012, 09:20 AM
Looks like Peerman may be seeing more time in the backfield after all.

https://twitter.com/bengals/status/256020328382357504

@Bengals: Already a special teams staple, will Cedric Peerman get some more opportunities in the backfield for #Bengals? http://t.co/Jlge4wST

Ohayou
10-14-2012, 02:01 PM
So much fail on these 3rd downs.

Reds Fanatic
10-14-2012, 02:25 PM
Bengals should have had a FG chance at the half there was still a second left

LoganBuck
10-14-2012, 02:39 PM
Bengals should have had a FG chance at the half there was still a second left

Inside two minutes doesn't that replay come from the booth.

dougdirt
10-14-2012, 02:42 PM
Inside two minutes doesn't that replay come from the booth.

The announcers on the game said it wasn't reviewable. Now whether they meant from Lewis or at all, I don't know.

Reds Fanatic
10-14-2012, 03:03 PM
The Bengals offense is awful right now

Gizmo
10-14-2012, 03:40 PM
The Bengals offense is awful right now

At least the defense is matching them stride for stride now.

Stray
10-14-2012, 03:43 PM
Have we ever been able to defend a pass play to a TE or RB?

Stray
10-14-2012, 03:46 PM
Lol smoked by the Browns. This team is a mess right now.

Tony Cloninger
10-14-2012, 03:47 PM
Have we ever been able to defend a pass play to a TE or RB?

What NFL can or really does on a consistent basis nowadays? They give the O every rule to help them. You need All Pro's at two spots at LB just to be able to help you overcome rules that easily allow TE's to run amok.

A lot of teams are having success with TE usage for obvious reasons. These guys are as big as OL with speed and the rules allow them to do what they want.

Stray
10-14-2012, 03:50 PM
What NFL can or really does on a consistent basis nowadays? They give the O every rule to help them. You need All Pro's at two spots at LB just to be able to help you overcome rules that easily allow TE's to run amok.

A lot of teams are having success with TE usage for obvious reasons. These guys are as big as OL with speed and the rules allow them to do what they want.

I realize a lot of rules are in place for the offense, but that doesn't mean you have to leave guys wide open like we do. Our LB play is laughable.

It ain't getting any prettier either, when we go up against competent offenses I'd expect more of what we saw in week 1. Defensively they're a wreck.

UKFlounder
10-14-2012, 03:52 PM
Wow. This is why they still are the Bungles. One good year, then back to business as usual, it seems, just like the last few years.

Stray
10-14-2012, 03:53 PM
At least Green is helping out my fantasy team lol

Wonderful Monds
10-14-2012, 04:04 PM
LOL. Bungles gonna bungle.

Stray
10-14-2012, 04:04 PM
3 turnovers for Dalton...another pick 6 today. No rhythm on offense, iffy running game at best, bad penalties, lots of 3 and outs....ugly ugly ugly.

Reds Fanatic
10-14-2012, 04:06 PM
One of the worst weeks ever for Cincinnati sports. Looking at the rest of the schedule I see very few games this team can win

Joseph
10-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Hopefully talk of a 'good' season can be put to bed now. This wasn't a well constructed team and it's showing.

Cleveland? Really?

KoryMac5
10-14-2012, 04:32 PM
Looking forward to the draft in October...seems about right.

Gizmo
10-14-2012, 04:34 PM
At least there's hockey... oh, right...

Tony Cloninger
10-14-2012, 04:38 PM
I do not see one game....even at KC or home vs OAK as a win down the stretch.
Just like 2010.....awesome to be a fan of this team. Never any hope at all from year to year, except for some blind nut ...squirrel thing.

Wonderful Monds
10-14-2012, 04:41 PM
I do not see one game....even at KC or home vs OAK as a win down the stretch.
Just like 2010.....awesome to be a fan of this team. Never any hope at all from year to year, except for some blind nut ...squirrel thing.

I think you can actually count on them being decent every other year. Record wise anyway. Play awful when you get the tough schedule, then play well when they get the easy schedule from being so bad the year before.

Wonderful Monds
10-14-2012, 04:42 PM
Btw, are we all as sure as we were last year that Andy Dalton is the answer?

KoryMac5
10-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Btw, are we all as sure as we were last year that Andy Dalton is the answer?

With a lead yes, he's not the type to bring you back when your back is against the wall though.

Wonderful Monds
10-14-2012, 04:55 PM
With a lead yes, he's not the type to bring you back when your back is against the wall though.

That's an important quality though.

LoganBuck
10-14-2012, 04:56 PM
Gotta trade for a running back to salvage the season. BJGE is toast. He gets no seperation and has very.little burst. This is the worst rb position group in the NFL. You could work in a new back during the bye.

Joseph
10-14-2012, 04:58 PM
At least there's hockey... oh, right...

Don't remind me!

Joseph
10-14-2012, 04:59 PM
Andy Dalton isn't the problem, at least not the most glaring one. Running back, defensive backfield, middle line backer, o-line to a degree. Lot's of fix-it list items before Andy.

MWM
10-14-2012, 05:13 PM
Marvin is not a great coach, but since he's been there it's been very rare that the team doesn't play heard or looks totally disinterested. But that's what it looked like today, like there was someplace else they'd rather be.

Tony Cloninger
10-14-2012, 05:16 PM
Looking ahead to the Steelers?

Palmer probably is thinking.... You know, I had no running game either...I was supposed to everything to win games and then have an inept owner continue to make no moves to improve.

Ohayou
10-14-2012, 05:25 PM
3-3 and we're already giving up. You guys are something else.

Tony Cloninger
10-14-2012, 05:34 PM
3-3 and we're already giving up. You guys are something else.

Have you seen this schedule? Have you seen the team play the last 2 weeks....and the continuing saga of Marvin Lewis and The Coaches Who Could Not Adjust? The Maladjusted should be the name of this movie.

Ohayou
10-14-2012, 05:45 PM
So what? You're going to forfeit the rest of the season because of two bad weeks? Cue the "Welcome to Cincinnati" posts.

Tony Cloninger
10-14-2012, 05:53 PM
So what? You're going to forfeit the rest of the season because of two bad weeks? Cue the "Welcome to Cincinnati" posts.

Cue the "how long have you been watching this team play for the last 20 years" music.

I mean this team played well last year with the help of an easy schedule. They have the equivalent of conservative and by the book thinking in a HC that matches Dusty Baker....except Baker can at least claim winning some big games in the playoffs at least.

I was NOT expecting bad things to happen to the Reds in this playoffs at all. I expected to play in the WS at least. The Bengals? Please...I have not ben confident in their backbone since 1989.

KoryMac5
10-14-2012, 06:10 PM
So what? You're going to forfeit the rest of the season because of two bad weeks? Cue the "Welcome to Cincinnati" posts.

I am a pretty optimistic person when it comes to the Bengals, but without issues being resolved (running game, secondary, and linebacker) I don't see how this team wins 6 games with the schedule they have remaining.

I would like to see Peerman more though going forward!

Redsfaithful
10-14-2012, 06:10 PM
3-3 and we're already giving up. You guys are something else.

This was the easy part of the schedule and they just lost to an 0-5 team. It's ok to be realistic.

Patrick Bateman
10-14-2012, 06:35 PM
So what? You're going to forfeit the rest of the season because of two bad weeks? Cue the "Welcome to Cincinnati" posts.

This isn't at all the same.

If a football team can't be the Browns (and not particularly close either), things are going to get messy against real teams.

Bengals needed to have a hot start, because it is very obivous that the team is not a playoff team on paper. It wasn't last year either. They were okay and got some luck. This year, they are worse, and I don't think any amount of luck gets them to the playoffs.

dougdirt
10-14-2012, 07:14 PM
So what? You're going to forfeit the rest of the season because of two bad weeks? Cue the "Welcome to Cincinnati" posts.

Unless Hall, Kirkpatrick and Moch can transform this defense, it isn't going to make a difference. This defense is terrible. The offense is decent, but they need to score 30+ each week to win and that simply isn't going to happen.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-14-2012, 07:53 PM
3-3 and we're already giving up. You guys are something else.

Becoming the first team in the last 12 games to lose to the woebegone Cleveland Browns, a week after losing at home to the 1-3 Dolphins, tends to do that.

What a brutal week for Cincinnati.

Stray
10-15-2012, 01:35 AM
The good news is that there are a whopping 3 teams over .500 in the AFC.

GAC
10-15-2012, 07:30 AM
This was the easy part of the schedule and they just lost to an 0-5 team.

Absolutely true, BUT.....

Most of you know me on here, and you know that even though I've been an avid (and some say "delusional" Brown's fan) for almost 45 years, I not only root for the Bengals.... but also tell it like it is when it comes to an honest and pretty straightforward assessment of the Browns. Especially since they came back into the league. At work I even catch crap from a couple rabid Brown fans who tell me I'm not a "true" fan because of my "negative" assessments, meaning, I don't rah-rah them and always say positive things. I'm a realist.

They've been a cluster you-know-what from the top of this organization, right down to the bottom. They acquire some talent, but somehow refuse (or can't) address the other areas needed to bring some sense of stability and competitiveness to this franchise.

As for that 0-5 record - that really doesn't tell the whole story though IMO. That's like solely relying on a pitcher's W-L record. Incomplete picture. Yeah, this team, so far early on, has found ways to lose. And at numerous times has shot themselves in the foot. That's been the M.O. for quite some time. But this roster (other then at QB obviously) is the youngest in the NFL. And while there is some darn good talent there, their "immaturity" was very evident those first few weeks in the penalties and mistakes they made. They were penalized for 110 yds vs the Eagles, 103 yds vs the first match-up vs the Bengals.

But I was impressed with their games vs the Eagles (should have won that one) and Baltimore. They have been competitive, and really aren't getting blown out. That 41-27 loss to the Giants was the biggest margin.

And over these last few weeks, regardless of the final scores, I've seen some improvement (and hope), especially from this offense. QB Weeden has had his growing pains, made his mistakes, but this guy is learning and coming on IMO. Our O-line is pretty solid. And I love our RB's in Richardson, Hardesty, and Ogbonnaya. These are physical RB's who have good hands. When I look at the dismal offenses of the Browns over the last few years, and their offensive inabilities, I like what I am starting to see from this current team. They can strike quickly, and put points on the board.

The defense obviously needs to get better; but we've had some very key injuries there, as well as a suspension. Getting Haden and Ward back will be a big boost.

No, this team, IMO, probably ain't gonna make it to .500. But I think they're going to get better.

You guys got Pittsburgh coming to Cincy next week. IMO, you can beat these guys.

On a different note... a loud-mouth co-worker (Steeler fan) made over $600 worth of bets at work saying the Browns wouldn't win a division game this year. He'll be getting his checkbook out today. ;)

Redhook
10-15-2012, 07:36 AM
3-3 and we're already giving up. You guys are something else.

This is a serious question, did you watch them these past two weeks? If you did, then I don't see how you could have any faith in them. They are really, really bad. And, that's coming from someone who thought they'd win 9-10 games this year. 6 wins would be a huge success at this point.

bucksfan2
10-15-2012, 09:03 AM
Two things I noticed from the game yesterday.

1. Rey Maualuga is toast. There is no way shape or form he should be starting at MLB. Too slow, bad instincts, gets taken out of plays too many times.

2. Brandon Tate needs to go. How many times is he going to bring the ball out of the endzone to the 10 yard line? The Dalton pick 6 is on Tate. The announcers talked about it, but on a 3 step drop Tate needs to get inside of the DB because Dalton is hitting his back heel and throwing the ball.

I didn't like the Browns game from the start. Its tough winning in the NFL and the Browns are bad, but they are going to win football games. Unfortunately the Bengals were on of those games. Now a must win Sunday night against the Steelers for both teams.

Redsfaithful
10-15-2012, 12:31 PM
As for that 0-5 record - that really doesn't tell the whole story though IMO.

That's true, they've had a lot of close losses and they are a different team with Haden back.

But I still think it means an end to any playoff hopes for the Bengals this year which is a bummer. I don't ask for much from my Bengals fandom, being in the hunt into December is fantastic and makes me happy. So it sucks when they can't even do that, and it seems to be an every other year thing, at minimum.

HotCorner
10-15-2012, 01:29 PM
Every team in the AFC has warts. While the past two weeks have been frustrating, I'm not ready to throw in the towel for this season. The remaining schedule is tough (especially December) but I do not believe this team has played its best ball yet. I believe 8 or 9 wins could "earn" a playoff berth in the AFC this year based on the overall level of competition.

wolfboy
10-15-2012, 05:32 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8509069/ray-lewis-lardarius-webb-baltimore-ravens-season

Bad news for the Ravens: Lewis and Webb out for the season.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-15-2012, 06:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8509069/ray-lewis-lardarius-webb-baltimore-ravens-season

Bad news for the Ravens: Lewis and Webb out for the season.

If only the Bengals had the team to take advantage of that. They're 3-3 still but realistically trending down, not up.

And Vontaze Burfict should take Maulaluga's job immediately.

KoryMac5
10-15-2012, 07:24 PM
If only the Bengals had the team to take advantage of that. They're 3-3 still but realistically trending down, not up.

And Vontaze Burfict should take Maulaluga's job immediately.

Yeah Burfict has better instincts then Rey does, move Maulaluga to strong where he played his rookie season and go from there.

Chip R
10-16-2012, 09:04 AM
Say what you want about the Bengals but at least they aren't the Chargers. Oof, what a collapse.

Tony Cloninger
10-17-2012, 09:39 PM
Unless Hall, Kirkpatrick and Moch can transform this defense, it isn't going to make a difference. This defense is terrible. The offense is decent, but they need to score 30+ each week to win and that simply isn't going to happen.

How is the D at fault these last 2 games? They basically kept the game close vs Mia and helped the O from having the game get even more out of hand.

The O has reverted back to Brat play calling methods thanks to Marvin Lewis...he plays NOT to lose most games. He thinks a 7-10 point lead is a big lead and that this is 1977 football.

They lost beacuse of the OL still not able to run block, Paul Alexander's run scheme methods are outdated.... basically if you want since Dusty is not your favorite, he runs his OL like Baker will make out a lineup based on where someone plays on defense.

WMR
10-21-2012, 09:48 PM
Keystone Cops to end the half...

dougdirt
10-21-2012, 09:51 PM
How is the D at fault these last 2 games? They basically kept the game close vs Mia and helped the O from having the game get even more out of hand.

The O has reverted back to Brat play calling methods thanks to Marvin Lewis...he plays NOT to lose most games. He thinks a 7-10 point lead is a big lead and that this is 1977 football.

They lost beacuse of the OL still not able to run block, Paul Alexander's run scheme methods are outdated.... basically if you want since Dusty is not your favorite, he runs his OL like Baker will make out a lineup based on where someone plays on defense.

Didn't the Bengals give up 27 to the stinking Browns last week? That is on the defense.

WMR
10-21-2012, 10:45 PM
What a stupid challenge to make...

sonny
10-21-2012, 11:05 PM
Does Rey know he's supposed to run toward the ball carrier, right?

WMR
10-21-2012, 11:18 PM
2 running plays when you're on your own 10 and need a TD, brilliant.

WMR
10-21-2012, 11:20 PM
Bengals just pissed that possession away... Pitt tried to give them a chance.

WMR
10-21-2012, 11:21 PM
Steelers obviously faking injuries to save a timeout. :rolleyes:

WMR
10-21-2012, 11:25 PM
That didn't look like a catch to me.....

Stray
10-21-2012, 11:27 PM
Defense sucked on 3rd down but they played alright overall. They were left on the field too long because our offense was terrible today.

Where were our other receivers? Whalen isn't good enough.

Stray
10-21-2012, 11:28 PM
And what ever happened to the 'throw it up to AJ when all else fails' philosophy? If nothing at all is working, why the heck not?

WMR
10-21-2012, 11:30 PM
Man, Steelers just come into PBS and punk the Bengals over and over and over again...

fearofpopvol1
10-21-2012, 11:33 PM
I think Collinsworth said it best. If you can't beat the Steelers on your home turf, you're not going to be an elite team. And the worst part is, this is a depleted Steelers team and the Bengals couldn't pull it out.

Also, Marvin Lewis is just terrible. I think the 2nd challenge was legitimate (and the officials made a bad call there), but that 1st challenge was horrendous.

Stray
10-21-2012, 11:34 PM
I've always been under the impression that coaches get the challenge call down from someone in a booth. I dunno if Marvin just wings it on what he thinks he sees or if he's hearing to throw the flag from someone else, whoever it is needs to have that job taken away from them.

Stray
10-21-2012, 11:36 PM
And that was one of Jay Gruden's worst games as a play caller. Never mixed it up and never got the players into a rhythm. Steelers defense isn't that good, the offense just sucked.

CTA513
10-21-2012, 11:42 PM
Does Rey know he's supposed to run toward the ball carrier, right?

I can't wait for the Bengals to move on from him.

fearofpopvol1
10-21-2012, 11:42 PM
I've always been under the impression that coaches get the challenge call down from someone in a booth. I dunno if Marvin just wings it on what he thinks he sees or if he's hearing to throw the flag from someone else, whoever it is needs to have that job taken away from them.

I think they relay information to him, but it's still his call. If someone in the booth told him to challenge the 1st time, in hopes of getting 2 extra yards (when it wasn't clear), their job should be on the hot seat.

UKFlounder
10-21-2012, 11:44 PM
Same old Bungles - but they do deserve credit for holding AJ Green to 9 yards receiving while letting green-Ellis get almost 20 touches. Keep the ball in the hands of your worst players and this is what happens.

Oh well - I wonder who they'll get with their top 10 pick in the draft...

Wonderful Monds
10-21-2012, 11:49 PM
I want to say, maybe they'll be better next year. And maybe Marvin Lewis really will be gone by then and things will change a little bit. But honestly, until Mike Brown is no longer the Bengals owner, tonight's game will always be a good summary of the Cincinnati Bengals. And even then, that won't be a HUGE difference, because it'll just end up in his daughter's hands.

So yeah. Not exactly the most optimistic about the future of NFL football in this city. Can we get an NBA team or something now?

Stray
10-21-2012, 11:55 PM
I think they relay information to him, but it's still his call. If someone in the booth told him to challenge the 1st time, in hopes of getting 2 extra yards (when it wasn't clear), their job should be on the hot seat.

I think he was challenging to get a turnover. If he was told the runner wasn't down before the ball came out then it would be worth the challenge. It's just bad because it was so obvious that the runner was down, so I have no idea why Marvin would decide to challenge, or someone would tell Marvin to challenge. I have no idea how that works with them.

Redsfaithful
10-22-2012, 12:05 AM
I will always be a Bengals fan, but I just don't care any more. When I can watch them lose to the Steelers at home, with the season on the line, and feel no emotion ... meh.

I'm 31. If I'm lucky and live another 40-50 years I figure there might be a decent Bengals team in there or two. But Mike Brown could live another 20 years, there's really no reason to expect things to get any better any time soon.

I've been pretty patient with Marvin Lewis, but a real NFL team would have moved on by now. And if they hadn't then they'd fire him after a game like tonight, heading into a bye week after 3 losses in a row, in a season coming off a playoff appearance with young players. You'd reasonably expect improvement there, but instead the Bengals regress, as they quickly always do.

Wonderful Monds
10-22-2012, 12:09 AM
I will always be a Bengals fan, but I just don't care any more. When I can watch them lose to the Steelers at home, with the season on the line, and feel no emotion ... meh.

I'm 31. If I'm lucky and live another 40-50 years I figure there might be a decent Bengals team in there or two. But Mike Brown could live another 20 years, there's really no reason to expect things to get any better any time soon.

I've been pretty patient with Marvin Lewis, but a real NFL team would have moved on by now. And if they hadn't then they'd fire him after a game like tonight, heading into a bye week after 3 losses in a row, in a season coming off a playoff appearance with young players. You'd reasonably expect improvement there, but instead the Bengals regress, as they quickly always do.

Andy Reid is still around, but for the most part, yeah.

Which for the most part really sucks, because I really enjoy football and the Bengals when they play well, but I'll never get to have the same feeling about them as I do the current generation of Reds teams.

KoryMac5
10-22-2012, 07:55 AM
Perfect opportunity to be 4-3 headed into the bye. Pittsburgh banged up and the game at home. As usual the Bengals lay an egg at key points during the game. Bad thing about it is the outcome should have been worse if not for the drops by the Steelers. This team has some talent but I don't believe the coaching is there to get them to the next level. I also feel that QB is now starting to become an issue as well. It's time for a change at the top. I would replace Lewis, and quickly.

Matt700wlw
10-22-2012, 08:18 AM
Perfect opportunity to be 4-3 headed into the bye. Pittsburgh banged up and the game at home. As usual the Bengals lay an egg at key points during the game. Bad thing about it is the outcome should have been worse if not for the drops by the Steelers. This team has some talent but I don't believe the coaching is there to get them to the next level. I also feel that QB is now starting to become an issue as well. It's time for a change at the top. I would replace Lewis, and quickly.

The top would be the owner.

We know he's not going anywhere, and is quite satisfied with the current state of the franchise.

wolfboy
10-22-2012, 09:03 AM
I will always be a Bengals fan, but I just don't care any more. When I can watch them lose to the Steelers at home, with the season on the line, and feel no emotion ... meh.

I'm 31. If I'm lucky and live another 40-50 years I figure there might be a decent Bengals team in there or two. But Mike Brown could live another 20 years, there's really no reason to expect things to get any better any time soon.

I've been pretty patient with Marvin Lewis, but a real NFL team would have moved on by now. And if they hadn't then they'd fire him after a game like tonight, heading into a bye week after 3 losses in a row, in a season coming off a playoff appearance with young players. You'd reasonably expect improvement there, but instead the Bengals regress, as they quickly always do.

This is basically how I feel. I just don't get upset/excited anymore.

Roy Tucker
10-22-2012, 09:17 AM
Failed to upgrade the secondary in the off season, failed to upgrade the LBs, and this team never seems to adjust to what the other team does. And they have quite a few slot receivers and no true WRs besides AJ.

Same old same old.

KoryMac5
10-22-2012, 12:12 PM
I will always be a Bengals fan, but I just don't care any more. When I can watch them lose to the Steelers at home, with the season on the line, and feel no emotion ... meh.

I'm 31. If I'm lucky and live another 40-50 years I figure there might be a decent Bengals team in there or two. But Mike Brown could live another 20 years, there's really no reason to expect things to get any better any time soon.

I've been pretty patient with Marvin Lewis, but a real NFL team would have moved on by now. And if they hadn't then they'd fire him after a game like tonight, heading into a bye week after 3 losses in a row, in a season coming off a playoff appearance with young players. You'd reasonably expect improvement there, but instead the Bengals regress, as they quickly always do.

I turned it off 17-14, the wife was shocked! She wondered why I would go to bed with the team winning. I told her I knew the outcome already, and that the Bengals would find a way to lose somehow. The entire fan base is in a state of learned helplessness. We all have that Meh feeling these days.

Stray
10-22-2012, 12:19 PM
Whenever the offense can get over the hump I think wins against good teams will come in bunches. For Dalton it's almost like they're in his head...same with Green. They looked frustrated and defeated last night before the game ever ended. It sucks because our defense played their best game of the year and gave us a chance to win.

Boss-Hog
10-22-2012, 12:28 PM
Whenever the offense can get over the hump I think wins against good teams will come in bunches. For Dalton it's almost like they're in his head...same with Green. They looked frustrated and defeated last night before the game ever ended. It sucks because our defense played their best game of the year and gave us a chance to win.

I keep seeing comments here and elsewhere that the defense played well. I don't consider allowing 400+ total yards to the opposing team, allowing the worst (or second worst) rushing attack to run all over you, generating next to no pressure on the QB and a complete inability to stop the other team on third down a success.

Sea Ray
10-22-2012, 12:40 PM
If it was the D's best game of the year then that says a lot about how horrible they were in the other games. That patchwork O-line controlled our D-line and that's piss-poor especially if you consider that it's supposedly our strongest unit

I'd love to see a trailer on ESPN this week that says:

***Bengals fire Marvin Lewis, name Hue Jackson interim coach***

Boss-Hog
10-22-2012, 12:42 PM
If it was the D's best game of the year then that says a lot about how horrible they were in the other games. That patchwork O-line controlled our D-line and that's piss-poor especially if you consider that it's supposedly our strongest unit

I'd love to see a trailer on ESPN this week that says:

***Bengals fire Marvin Lewis, name Hue Jackson interim coach***

I agree. My comment didn't even take in to account they were missing two starting linemen and were down to their third string RB.

Stray
10-22-2012, 12:58 PM
I keep seeing comments here and elsewhere that the defense played well. I don't consider allowing 400+ total yards to the opposing team, allowing the worst (or second worst) rushing attack to run all over you, generating next to no pressure on the QB and a complete inability to stop the other team on third down a success.

3rd down was an issue I agree, Big Ben is a great 3rd down QB though and they bent a lot but rarely broke. Their run yards at the end I would blame on the time of possession. They were gassed because our offense gained 100 yards for the entire game after that opening drive. You can't leave those guys out there for that long and expect them to hold up.

Defense held to a lot of fgs and gave up that TD after Dalton threw another interception to a pass rusher.

traderumor
10-22-2012, 02:19 PM
No running game, it took the NFL 4 weeks to figure it out. Now, they are reeling.

KoryMac5
10-22-2012, 02:30 PM
No running game, it took the NFL 4 weeks to figure it out. Now, they are reeling.

Yep its the same program defenses are running against Detroit and Arizona. No running game means you can double Fitzgerald and Megatron and make others on those teams beat you. AJ Green is going to get frustrated real soon if the Bengals can't find a legit 2nd receiver and running back. Why Marvin Jones was out there on teams when he was due to get a significant number of snaps last night is beyond me.

Wonderful Monds
10-22-2012, 02:35 PM
All I can say is, Maurice Jones-Drew would've looked really nice the past few games. It's a shame they couldn't have done anything about that while it was still an issue.

cincrazy
10-22-2012, 08:20 PM
For those that want Marvin gone, be careful of what you wish for. Things could very well get much worse.

MWM
10-22-2012, 10:03 PM
It's no coincidence that they never are good 2 years in a row. They get close and only need a couple of improvements, then they go backwards. I'm convinced this is exactly what Mike Brown wants. I don't think he really wants sustained success very much. He's content to have a year like last year every few years to keep people just interested enough to get enough people to show up so that he makes a profit. He's perfectly content to tease every once in a while just to keep people off his back.

Redsfaithful
10-23-2012, 12:21 AM
I'm convinced a Mike Brown psychological study would be interesting. It's clear that winning isn't his number one priority, it's sucking as much money out of the franchise and out of the region as possible, and he's actually good at that.

How do you grow up as Paul Brown's son and then not have a desire to win? Did he dislike his father? Or is he stuck on the way his father did things, and that doesn't work in the modern NFL?

Then again, for how much he is revered, Paul Brown was a bit of an idiot too. He wouldn't promote Bill Walsh and tried blocking him from getting on anywhere else in the league as a head coach. So the dominant head coach of the 80s ends up in San Francisco instead of Cincinnati.

Really, with football the Bengals pretty much get what they deserve from the way they have been run by the Brown family, it's just a shame Cincinnati has to be hurt.

Dom Heffner
10-23-2012, 12:41 AM
It's no coincidence that they never are good 2 years in a row. They get close and only need a couple of improvements, then they go backwards. I'm convinced this is exactly what Mike Brown wants. I don't think he really wants sustained success very much. He's content to have a year like last year every few years to keep people just interested enough to get enough people to show up so that he makes a profit. He's perfectly content to tease every once in a while just to keep people off his back.

Easy schedule gets them a playoff berth, then they get a tough one because they made it. Then it's easy because they go 3-13.

They're a C+ organization. Just blah.

camisadelgolf
10-23-2012, 04:09 AM
Mike Brown strikes me as a puppet for his lawyers, who are probably friends of his in his eyes. He's known as being very loyal, and it's to a fault.

Sea Ray
10-23-2012, 10:54 AM
Easy schedule gets them a playoff berth, then they get a tough one because they made it. Then it's easy because they go 3-13.

They're a C+ organization. Just blah.

The schedule isn't their problem this year. They're losing to teams like the Browns/Dolphins. They're just a bad team

mdccclxix
10-23-2012, 11:12 AM
That Dalton INT that he didn't mean to release was surmountable, but I think will be remembered as some sort of marker of his legacy unless he can guide them back to the playoffs. Will be tough considering they've got a loss to all 3 North teams now.

The problem is likely the coach who has rarely been able to win a big game (regular season or playoffs) in all his years here. The underdog card has never even helped them. It's time for Marvin to join the front office and hire a new voice. In fact, I'd like to see it happen during this bye week, lol.

I really like the continuity factor of keeping Lewis, but he's not inspiring enough excellent play. He's also not always shown he can start the right guys, or bench them soon enough. Bench Ray M. Now. Should have benched Chad in 2009. Should have been playing Dunlap perhaps earlier. Taylor Mays should never have been traded for. The Law Firm was a questionable every down back. Etc.

The team has a lot of great picks too, so I really do like Lewis, but he's got some odd holes in his overall profile. Use his strengths in the FO, IMO.

mdccclxix
10-23-2012, 11:24 AM
Sucks that there is room in the budget, but Joseph was let go. Also sucks that Kirkpatrick is injured. To me, he looks awfully scrawny, so I hope he's not a wilting flower like Chris Perry. There were questions about his game that may not ever be answered, either.

RiverRat13
10-23-2012, 01:36 PM
Sucks that there is room in the budget, but Joseph was let go. Also sucks that Kirkpatrick is injured. To me, he looks awfully scrawny, so I hope he's not a wilting flower like Chris Perry. There were questions about his game that may not ever be answered, either.

Joseph wanted out and was going to leave via free agency unless the Bengals made a substantially larger offer than anyone else.

traderumor
10-23-2012, 02:38 PM
All the annual sinister explanations for Mikey and the Bengals inconsistency, when it is really as simple as them reaching their level of competency with their existing personnel and management team. Some seasons the pointy end pigskin bounces their way for whatever reason, others their real talent level comes to roost. Portraying it as an evil plot by the owner during the tough seasons is always good for a little chuckle, I guess.

MWM
10-23-2012, 02:57 PM
Evil plot? No one said that. He is incompetent and just doesn't care.... that's different.

Benihana
10-23-2012, 03:09 PM
Letting Johnathon Joseph leave set this organization back at least 3 years.

That was the single worst, most inexplicable move of this hapless franchise of the decade.

Stray
10-23-2012, 03:38 PM
I had no problems with letting Joseph leave. At that time he was very prone to injury and Leon Hall was the durable CB. The kinda money it would have taken to keep Joseph here made it an easy choice at the time imo. There was no way to know Hall would miss a year and Joseph would stay on the field.

I think Kirkpatrick will be a good fit once he gets healthy and we work him in.

Benihana
10-23-2012, 03:48 PM
I had no problems with letting Joseph leave. At that time he was very prone to injury and Leon Hall was the durable CB. The kinda money it would have taken to keep Joseph here made it an easy choice at the time imo. There was no way to know Hall would miss a year and Joseph would stay on the field.

I think Kirkpatrick will be a good fit once he gets healthy and we work him in.

Sorry but I completely disagree. You don't let above average starters (let alone borderline Pro Bowlers) leave your team in the NFL, unless someone offers them an insane amount of money you just can't afford to match (and you have someone ready to replace them). In this case, the Bengals had neither.

As a result, they were forced to spend a first round pick on replacing him this year, when they could've taken a WR or RB that would have much improved the offense. With a difference maker at one of those two positions (and JJ on the field), this team is 5-1 and likely playoff-bound. Not to mention, last year's team likely advances farther than it did.

Instead last year was one-and-done, this year is a likely bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) finish in a year where they should challenge for the division crown, and the drudgery continues. It is the most inexcusable decision by a franchise that is full of inexcusable decisions.

UKFlounder
10-23-2012, 04:01 PM
So why is their "level of competency with their existing personnel and management team" so low? It's not evil plot, but an inability to establish a beter level of competence that frustrates so many of us.


All the annual sinister explanations for Mikey and the Bengals inconsistency, when it is really as simple as them reaching their level of competency with their existing personnel and management team. Some seasons the pointy end pigskin bounces their way for whatever reason, others their real talent level comes to roost. Portraying it as an evil plot by the owner during the tough seasons is always good for a little chuckle, I guess.

Redsfaithful
10-23-2012, 04:43 PM
The kinda money it would have taken to keep Joseph here made it an easy choice at the time imo.

Why do you care about Mike Brown's money? They are well under the cap every year. I'd rather have Joseph than another $10 million a year in Mike Brown's pocket, which was the alternative.

LoganBuck
10-23-2012, 04:55 PM
This year's problems are based on two things:
1. Injuries
2. Lack of depth/roster issues

On the injuries, we have not seen Dre Kirkpatrick play 1 snap yet this season, he was brought it to be a starter. Jason Allen has not played 1 snap, he was to be a staple of nickle and dime packages. Leon Hall is not playing at 100%. This has overexposed Terrance Newman, and the awful safeties, because they end up in 1 on 1 coverage. Thomas Howard was the weakside linebacker who was counted on to cover most TEs. He played in 1 game. Rey Maualuga's knee injury from the preseason, was obviously a bigger deal than was initially thought, the guy is two steps slower, and has no explosion at all. Vontaze Burfict has been a nice surprise, but he is not a weak side linebacker, he is a middle linebacker, he is playing out of position. That is a whole lot of less than desirable. The safety position has become a makeshift mess street free agents, injuries, guys not developing, guys playing out of postion. Is it any wonder teams can seemingly throw at will on the Bengals?

The running back position has been exposed as a mess. BJGE is a steady player, but he is not a 3 down running back, and he is playing a 3 down back role. He doesn't have the burst and explosion on the edges, or in the pass game. Bernard Scott was to be that guy. Once again gone because of injury. Many of us howled during the draft about this. I won't argue that the Bengals got good players of value, but they didn't do enough at the running back position.

The injury to Kyle Cook has also become a problem. Jeff Faine has been worn down as the season progresses. Faine is not getting any push, and BJGE doesn't have the speed to get outside, so we are left without a running game. The Bengals can get yards in the guard/tackle gaps, not inside, or outside of them. Opposing defenses are back off the line because they don't fear the run game. As the season has gone on opposing defenses have moved to a Tampa 2, that doubles AJ Green. Green still can get his, but unless Dalton and Gresham exploit the middle of the field, there isn't enough to be had.

Now the argument can made that they didn't do enough from a personnel direction in the offseason. What can be done there? Fire the GM? Ha!

traderumor
10-23-2012, 10:38 PM
So why is their "level of competency with their existing personnel and management team" so low? It's not evil plot, but an inability to establish a beter level of competence that frustrates so many of us.
Well, yea, Mikey is a part of the competence problem. But folks want to attribute the failure to some Montgomery Burns like conspiracy theory when they fall short of building a championship caliber team. I think that is giving Mikey more credit for intelligence than he has. He just doesn't have the talent to hire the talent to manage and find talent at every level of the organization and it trickles down throughout the organization.

Redsfaithful
10-23-2012, 11:24 PM
Well, yea, Mikey is a part of the competence problem. But folks want to attribute the failure to some Montgomery Burns like conspiracy theory when they fall short of building a championship caliber team. I think that is giving Mikey more credit for intelligence than he has. He just doesn't have the talent to hire the talent to manage and find talent at every level of the organization and it trickles down throughout the organization.

The Bengals only make sense when viewed through the lens that Brown is much more worried about making money than winning.

If that's a conspiracy, then so be it I guess.

I've posted this before, but I'm going to do it again because I wish every Bengals fan would read it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-ownerrankingspartone090210


Mike Brown isn’t especially gifted in terms of economic generosity, entrepreneurial enterprise or assembling winning football teams. When it comes to unintentional comedy, however, the Cincinnati Bengals owner has no peers in his profession.

Year after year, Brown is the NFL’s answer to Yogi Berra. At league meetings you can always count on the backward-looking, disapproving Grinch to make a self-serving comment that leaves the room in hushed silence – and, later that night, provokes uncontrollable fits of laughter at dinner tables and on barstools.

There was the time Brown, while making an analogy about his change of heart regarding the waiving of club-seat premiums, invoked the name of Adolf Hitler. Another year Brown was the lone owner to speak out against commissioner Roger Goodell’s personal-conduct policy, insisting that each owner should be able to keep his/her own house in order – and ignoring the irony that the Bengals employed more miscreants than any other franchise.

Last spring Brown was at it again, this time as one of the only voices against lengthening the regular season. Brown’s concern about a potential move to an 18-game regular season (while cutting back to two preseason games) wasn’t based on player safety; rather, it had to do with weather considerations. “If you were giving me my choice,” Brown told a stunned audience of 50 owners and club executives, according to two witnesses, “I’d rather sell an extra preseason game in August than another regular season game in January. It’s bad for us to sell tickets in the cold. My fans would rather have the game when it’s warm.”

To Brown’s credit, he announced at last week’s owners’ meetings in Atlanta that he had changed his mind – he’d rather have a ninth regular season contest at Paul Brown Stadium than a second preseason home game. There was just one caveat: no home games in January. When NFL schedule czar Howard Katz assured Brown, “You can be away the last month of the season,” the owner enthusiastically agreed.

Said one NFC owner: “There are 31 teams who’d rather play at home down the stretch … and then there’s Mike Brown.”

camisadelgolf
10-24-2012, 12:24 AM
Mike Brown's logic on assembling a Super Bowl team:
Piaget - Stage 2 - Preoperational - Lack of Conservation - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLj0IZFLKvg)

SeeinRed
10-24-2012, 01:46 AM
Not to move the topic away from Mike Brown, but the one thing above all else that has been bugging me the last three games is that the Bengals have been thoroughly out coached. The game plans seem to be lackluster, players don't seem prepared, and play calling leaves me scratching my head. Though this team has holes, I seriously believe coaching has been their biggest issue in the last three games.

The offensive play calling has really disappointed me. I really thought the Bengals would be more creative this year. Outside of a couple gimmick plays you'd almost believe Bratkowski was still calling the plays.

Redsfaithful
10-24-2012, 10:03 AM
The offensive play calling has really disappointed me. I really thought the Bengals would be more creative this year. Outside of a couple gimmick plays you'd almost believe Bratkowski was still calling the plays.

It's really strange given how creative they looked during the 3 game winning streak.

Maybe it comes down to execution, I don't know, but it's still amazing to me how little AJ Green was involved this week. If I'm a Bengals coach I throw it downfield to him at least 2-3 times a game, even if he's double covered he still comes down with it half the time.

traderumor
10-24-2012, 11:46 AM
The Bengals only make sense when viewed through the lens that Brown is much more worried about making money than winning.

If that's a conspiracy, then so be it I guess.

I've posted this before, but I'm going to do it again because I wish every Bengals fan would read it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-ownerrankingspartone090210Again, I consider that incompetence and ignorance. The picture is painted of Brown that he knows exactly what he's doing, and its designed to make money, with winning way down on the pecking order. I think that simply gives him too much credit. He is an incompetent business owner. He is the classic case of nepotism, not an evil dictator who is intentionally shooting his organization in the foot with the goal of making money over winning. He doesn't know enough to successfully carry out the conspiracies that are advanced by fans. He is simply incompetent and ignorant.

Stray
10-24-2012, 11:52 AM
Sorry but I completely disagree. You don't let above average starters (let alone borderline Pro Bowlers) leave your team in the NFL, unless someone offers them an insane amount of money you just can't afford to match (and you have someone ready to replace them). In this case, the Bengals had neither.

As a result, they were forced to spend a first round pick on replacing him this year, when they could've taken a WR or RB that would have much improved the offense. With a difference maker at one of those two positions (and JJ on the field), this team is 5-1 and likely playoff-bound. Not to mention, last year's team likely advances farther than it did.

Instead last year was one-and-done, this year is a likely bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) finish in a year where they should challenge for the division crown, and the drudgery continues. It is the most inexcusable decision by a franchise that is full of inexcusable decisions.

It wasn't about matching, it was about beating Houston's offer. At the time it was a risky contract for them. I could be wrong, but Joseph never once played an entire season for us did he? That's why I was fine with the move then. We kept Leon Hall and made a run at Whittner (who we almost got until he chose to go to SF at the last minute).

If we're complaining about not spending the money, or a FA signing not working out that's a different story all together. We should have done a better job filling the void left when Joseph walked no doubt, but that doesn't change my opinion that at that time it was the smart move to let him go.


Why do you care about Mike Brown's money? They are well under the cap every year. I'd rather have Joseph than another $10 million a year in Mike Brown's pocket, which was the alternative.

I wanted to let him go and spend the money to improve the team in other areas.

Benihana
10-24-2012, 11:57 AM
It wasn't about matching, it was about beating Houston's offer. At the time it was a risky contract for them. I could be wrong, but Joseph never once played an entire season for us did he? That's why I was fine with the move then. We kept Leon Hall and made a run at Whittner (who we almost got until he chose to go to SF at the last minute).

If we're complaining about not spending the money, or a FA signing not working out that's a different story all together. We should have done a better job filling the void left when Joseph walked no doubt, but that doesn't change my opinion that at that time it was the smart move to let him go.



I wanted to let him go and spend the money to improve the team in other areas.

Joseph said he would've stayed had we matched Houston's offer.

Having a great defensive backfield is one of the most valuable assets in football. Look at the Jets from 2008-2010. Or the Bengals own SWAT Team from 1988-1990. Do you remember the days of Mike Brim and Rod "Toast" Jones? That is why you don't let a great defensive backfield leave.

Stray
10-24-2012, 12:08 PM
Joseph said he would've stayed had we matched Houston's offer.

Having a great defensive backfield is one of the most valuable assets in football. Look at the Jets from 2008-2010. Or the Bengals own SWAT Team from 1988-1990. Do you remember the days of Mike Brim and Rod "Toast" Jones? That is why you don't let a great defensive backfield leave.

But great offenses are winning Super Bowls in Goodell's new NFL. Gotta go back to 2006 to find a great defensive team to win one.

Again, I'm not speaking in hindsight because now it's obvious we should have kept him, just that at that time I was okay with it. We needed to upgrade our offense which was horrible and he was an injury prone corner on a pretty good defense asking for a ton of money. There was no way to see how everything was going to play out.

Boss-Hog
10-24-2012, 12:22 PM
Joseph said he would've stayed had we matched Houston's offer.

Having a great defensive backfield is one of the most valuable assets in football. Look at the Jets from 2008-2010. Or the Bengals own SWAT Team from 1988-1990. Do you remember the days of Mike Brim and Rod "Toast" Jones? That is why you don't let a great defensive backfield leave.

To make matters even worse, I read that John Thornton reported he heard what JJ was willing to resign for the offseason prior to free agency, and he couldn't believe it was that low. Instead, he played another year for us and increased his value beyond what he would have signed for prior to 2010.

For the record, the archives here will show I never equated JJ and Leon Hall as being equals, even taking in to account the injuries. IMO, it was pretty obvious at the time JJ was the better player and was the one the Bengals should have resigned.

bucksfan2
10-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Joseph said he would've stayed had we matched Houston's offer.

Having a great defensive backfield is one of the most valuable assets in football. Look at the Jets from 2008-2010. Or the Bengals own SWAT Team from 1988-1990. Do you remember the days of Mike Brim and Rod "Toast" Jones? That is why you don't let a great defensive backfield leave.

Joseph has been very almost overly critical whenever talking about the Bengals. I thought at the time the Bengals knew he was gone and moved on from there. I also think the uncapped year as well as the lockout hurt the Bengals in their attempts to sign Joseph. In the end it appears as if they kept the wrong CB, Hall.

FWIW I think most organizations would have let Joseph walk instead of matching Houston's offer. With the Bengals he was good, not nearly as good as he played last year.

SeeinRed
10-24-2012, 05:15 PM
It's really strange given how creative they looked during the 3 game winning streak.

Maybe it comes down to execution, I don't know, but it's still amazing to me how little AJ Green was involved this week. If I'm a Bengals coach I throw it downfield to him at least 2-3 times a game, even if he's double covered he still comes down with it half the time.

Well, Gruden keeps talking about how Andy Dalton is getting the ball out too quickly and not allowing the play to develop. Maybe they plays are suppose to be more agressive, but Andy is playing conservatively. I don't know, but if he is I honestly don't blame Andy with the O-line and running game he has to deal with.

In the end, this is a young offensive unit who appears rattled right now. The coaches have to do a better job of putting them in a position to succeed.

The more I thought about it last night, the more I think it is time to move on from Marvin and give either Jay Gruden or Mike Zimmer the reigns. I've been kind of meh on Marvin as a coach for a while now, and these last three games have shown me that his coaching may be getting stale in Cincinnati. At this point, I'd be more inclined to give Gruden a shot over Zimmer simply for a change of pace, but I would be happy with either. I think you would have to do this after the season. I'd be alright with giving Marvin a role as GM, but you know Mike Brown will not do that, and I'm not sure Marvin would take the position anyway.

camisadelgolf
10-24-2012, 05:25 PM
On one hand, I don't think the Bengals can go far with Marvin. On the other hand, I think it's impossible with Mike Brown around. I believe Marvin should go at some point--the Bengals don't exactly have a winning culture in the clubhouse--but I don't think it needs to happen right now.

camisadelgolf
10-27-2012, 07:52 AM
This is a great Burfict article from back in April. It talks about his past and struggles at the combine.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7821147/nfl-asu-linebacker-vontaze-burfict-draft-most-misunderstood-player-espn-magazine

Ohayou
10-28-2012, 03:07 PM
Steven Jackson's name has been floating around, Green Bay likely looking to cash in...

KoryMac5
10-28-2012, 05:10 PM
Would love the Bengals to take a shot at Kevin Smith. Former first rounder with talent, fallen out of favor with Detroit.

HotCorner
10-28-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm intrigued with DeAngelo Williams.

WMR
10-28-2012, 10:36 PM
Mike Brown doesn't believe in acquiring players during the season. He really abhors trades, especially.

(prove me wrong, Mikey)

camisadelgolf
10-29-2012, 02:06 AM
Would love the Bengals to take a shot at Kevin Smith. Former first rounder with talent, fallen out of favor with Detroit.
Former third* rounder. I thought he was a first rounder, too, until I researched him for fantasy football. I think it was because he was a starter so soon in his career, and they had such high hopes for him. But yeah, he's worth considering since the Bengals are already committed to Green-Ellis and wouldn't invest a lot of money in someone to make the Law Firm a backup.

camisadelgolf
10-29-2012, 06:04 PM
Mike Brown doesn't believe in acquiring players during the season. He really abhors trades, especially.

(prove me wrong, Mikey)

Rams running back Steven Jackson isn't going to be a Bengal. Lewis said Monday there are no indications the Bengals are going to make a deal before Tuesday's trade deadline. If the Bengals want any Rams back it would be rookie Isaiah Pead, the Cincinnati product they coveted in the draft. But even though he's hardly playing, the Rams aren't apparently going to give him up.

Wonderful Monds
10-29-2012, 06:17 PM
WHY

Sea Ray
10-30-2012, 10:43 AM
I'm no Pete Carroll fan but I have to post this from his game last week regarding his poor decision to challenge a call. God knows Marvin has made his share of poor challenges but what would you give to hear him this contrite afterward?


If he had it to do over, Carroll would not have challenged the play in the third quarter against the Lions where he couldn’t win no matter what the ultimate call was.

“A total blunder,” Carroll said. “It was a blunder. I screwed it up.”

Carroll challenged whether Titus Young actually had caught a 9-yard pass from Matthew Stafford on a third-and-8 play. But it didn’t matter, because cornerback Brandon Browner had been called for defensive holding. So the Lions would get a first down even if the ruling on the field was reversed – which it wasn’t.

“It was a competitive moment that I really regret,” Carroll said.

When do you think we'll ever hear such comments from Marvin in a post game presser?

bucksfan2
10-30-2012, 10:59 AM
I'm no Pete Carroll fan but I have to post this from his game last week regarding his poor decision to challenge a call. God knows Marvin has made his share of poor challenges but what would you give to hear him this contrite afterward?



When do you think we'll ever hear such comments from Marvin in a post game presser?

The self proclaimed genius named Brian Billick did the same thing against the Bengals a number of years ago. Challenged a Chad Johnson catch on the sidelines for a first down but the Bengals had an automatic first down either because of a defensive off sides or a defensive holding penalty. IIRC it was his second challenge and there was a play late in the game where he could have used his challenge.

Sea Ray
10-30-2012, 11:32 AM
The self proclaimed genius named Brian Billick did the same thing against the Bengals a number of years ago. Challenged a Chad Johnson catch on the sidelines for a first down but the Bengals had an automatic first down either because of a defensive off sides or a defensive holding penalty. IIRC it was his second challenge and there was a play late in the game where he could have used his challenge.

How did he handle it later? Did he admit he screwed up? A little humility please...

WMR
10-30-2012, 11:34 AM
I'm not sure I've ever heard Marvin or dusty take personal responsibility for one of their screw ups...

texasdave
10-31-2012, 05:51 PM
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis publicly challenged quarterback Andy Dalton and middle linebacker Rey Maualuga on Wednesday to become more forceful leaders on their 3-4 team.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/10/31/marvin-lewis-andy-dalton.ap/index.html#ixzz2AuqiYDPP

Benihana
11-01-2012, 04:58 PM
With the trade deadline coming and going uneventfully unfortunately, what do you see as the Bengals biggest needs heading into the offseason? I'd prioritize them like this:

1. LB- MLB if Burfict stays on the outside, OLB if he moves. Rey-Rey's time is up.
2. WR #2- I still don't see one on this roster. Dalton needs WEAPONS if this offense is ever going to be productive.
3. SS- This defense badly needs an Earl Thomas-like playmaker.
4. RB- See #2. BJGE is not the every-down back we need. At a minimum get a platoon partner that can break open a big play.
5. DE- I think Geathers time has passed. We need a significant pass rusher on the outside.
6. OL- Hopefully they re-sign Andre Smith and Boling continues to improve. But this is an area to watch.

And here are my favorite targets for the draft at this early juncture:

1. Manti Teo MLB Notre Dame
2. Jarvis Jones OLB/DE Georgia
3. Eric Reid S LSU

And in the second round:

1. Safties Kenny Vaccaro (Texas) or TJ McDonald (USC)
2. WR Justin Hunter (Tennessee) or Keenan Allen (Cal)

Benihana
11-01-2012, 05:08 PM
On one hand, I don't think the Bengals can go far with Marvin. On the other hand, I think it's impossible with Mike Brown around. I believe Marvin should go at some point--the Bengals don't exactly have a winning culture in the clubhouse--but I don't think it needs to happen right now.

I would offer Marvin the GM job but remove his head coaching duties. If he refuses, he's gone. I'd give first look for HC duties to Gruden or Zimmer for continuity purposes, but I wouldn't hesitate to bring in candidates from the outside.

Marvin has shown year in and year out an inability to make coaching adjustments and win a big game against a team with a smart coach. He is certainly better than some of the chaff we've had in the past, but he cannot take the team to the next level- he's maxed out at 11 wins and a first round playoff exit.

The Bengals will never get to the Super Bowl so long as Marvin is the coach. Unfortunately, they can't make a change at owner.

Redsfaithful
11-02-2012, 04:18 AM
Has Mike Brown ever let a coach go mid-contract?

camisadelgolf
11-02-2012, 04:31 AM
Has Mike Brown ever let a coach go mid-contract?
I can't iterate this enough. Mike Brown is the problem.

On December 24, 1991, just three years after the Bengals' Super Bowl appearance, Wyche was fired by owner Mike Brown, who had taken over the team upon the death of his father, club founder Paul Brown, four months earlier. Controversy erupted when the Bengals claimed Wyche had resigned, relieving the team of any future payments, but Wyche stated he was fired.
Every coach since then has left voluntarily. Shula and Coslet retired. Dick LeBeau was technically fired after going 2-14.

Boss-Hog
11-02-2012, 06:47 AM
I can't iterate this enough. Mike Brown is the problem.

Every coach since then has left voluntarily. Shula and Coslet retired. Dick LeBeau was technically fired after going 2-14.
Not so - Dave Shula was indeed fired midseason. I distinctly remember it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/22/sports/two-nfl-coaches-out-mora-quits-shula-is-fired.html

Bruce Coslet, as I recall, resigned to save some type of face after that disastrous game in Baltimore.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100434&page=1#.UJOlT2dU3To

camisadelgolf
11-02-2012, 06:57 AM
Not so - Dave Shula was indeed fired midseason. I distinctly remember it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/22/sports/two-nfl-coaches-out-mora-quits-shula-is-fired.html

Bruce Coslet, as I recall, resigned to save some type of face after that disastrous game in Baltimore.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100434&page=1#.UJOlT2dU3To
In that case, I trust your source more than mine.

After a 1-6 start to the 1996 season, Shula announced his resignation and Coslet was promoted to the head coaching position. Although the Bengals once again failed to make the playoffs, Coslet led the team to a 7-2 finish and the offensive unit was back in the NFL's top 10. Pickens and Scott again proved to be an effective 1-2 combination, as Pickens caught 100 passes and topped 1,000 yards for the third straight year while Scott added 58 catches for 833 yards. Blake threw for 3,624 yards, but it was not good enough to make the Pro Bowl; Pickens was the offense's only representative.

Redsfaithful
11-02-2012, 07:36 AM
Shula was who I couldn't remember.

It's really amazing that Brown went from Sam Wyche to a 32 year old whose coaching highlight to that date was getting demoted from his offensive coordinator position with the Cowboys within two years.

But in fairness, you could put Belichick or one of the Harbaugh's in Cincinnati and I don't think it would matter much with Brown as the owner.

UKFlounder
11-02-2012, 09:04 AM
What's more amazing, IIRC, is that Shula started out 2-0 as Bengals coach and the Bengals led at Lambeau Field before Don Majkowski went out and was replaced by a kid named Brett Favre, who led the Packers to a victory.

Shula's Bengals fell apart after that

camisadelgolf
11-02-2012, 09:17 AM
Shula was who I couldn't remember.

It's really amazing that Brown went from Sam Wyche to a 32 year old whose coaching highlight to that date was getting demoted from his offensive coordinator position with the Cowboys within two years.

But in fairness, you could put Belichick or one of the Harbaugh's in Cincinnati and I don't think it would matter much with Brown as the owner.
Mike Brown loved the fact that if he hired Shula, he wouldn't need to fire any of the assistant coaches who were already under contract. Also, he was looking for an anti-Wyche, someone easy to control.

Hoosier Red
11-02-2012, 09:57 AM
Shula was who I couldn't remember.

It's really amazing that Brown went from Sam Wyche to a 32 year old whose coaching highlight to that date was getting demoted from his offensive coordinator position with the Cowboys within two years.


Also, in fairness, Sam Wyche's main qualification as a 39 year old had been passing game coordinator with San Francisco for four years and went 3-8 as the head coach at Indiana for his only coaching experience.

Both Paul and Mike Brown liked to hire guys they could control, but only saw any success when they hired guys who had the stones to stand up to them. Those who stood up to them were generally rewarded for their candor by being fired.

Paul's coaches after himself;
Tiger Johnson- First Head coaching job, No jobs higher than an OL coach
Homer Rice- Head coach at UC(8-10-1) and Rice(4-18)
Forrest Gregg - Head coach of Cleveland Browns(18-23) and Toronto Argonauts(9-23), NFL head coach at Green Bay after leaving Cincinnati.
Sam Wyche- Head coach at Indiana ( 3-8) coached Tampa Bay after leaving Cincinnati.

Stray
11-04-2012, 02:27 PM
Defense is playing pretty good. Offense needs to do something to help them out.

UKFlounder
11-04-2012, 02:41 PM
Pthe route is on.

UKFlounder
11-04-2012, 02:46 PM
Or hopefully I was wrong

Stray
11-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Newman with 2 picks?!?!?!

reds1869
11-04-2012, 04:08 PM
The seat could start to feel a little warm for some coaches very shortly. Oh wait, not with Mike Brown in charge.

Stray
11-04-2012, 04:10 PM
A lot of improvements today. We were playing a really good team.

A lot of legit and questionable penalties did them in, but overall I thought the team actually played a good game. Losing today won't be the killer, losing to the Browns and Miami are what hurt.

reds1869
11-04-2012, 04:15 PM
A lot of improvements today. We were playing a really good team.

A lot of legit and questionable penalties did them in, but overall I thought the team actually played a good game. Losing today won't be the killer, losing to the Browns and Miami are what hurt.

I'd love to see some improvements in offensive playcalling. Gruden has suddenly morphed into Bratkowski.

Stray
11-04-2012, 04:18 PM
I'd love to see some improvements in offensive playcalling. Gruden has suddenly morphed into Bratkowski.

Yea I agree. I loved how creative he was early in the year, things have gotten so predictable in the last month.

WMR
11-04-2012, 04:28 PM
Charlie Brown trying to kick the football held by Lucy comes to mind...

Ohayou
11-04-2012, 07:17 PM
How about that Doug Martin kid? Stings, doesn't it?

MWM
11-04-2012, 08:37 PM
Well, yea, Mikey is a part of the competence problem. But folks want to attribute the failure to some Montgomery Burns like conspiracy theory when they fall short of building a championship caliber team. I think that is giving Mikey more credit for intelligence than he has. He just doesn't have the talent to hire the talent to manage and find talent at every level of the organization and it trickles down throughout the organization.

I don't think anyone is saying what you think they're saying. Actually, I think most are saying the same thing you're saying. He is completely incompetent and he doesn't care. I agree, he's not that intelligent an individual. My biggest issue is that he just doesn't seem to give a ..........

They were the last team to get a website. They had no hall of fame until last year, have only 1 retired number, up until a few months had only 1 full time scout, are the only cold weather team without an indoor practice facility, and have no playoff wins in 22 years. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think he really doesn't care that much about any of this. He's really not a very good guy.

bucksfan2
11-05-2012, 10:15 AM
A lot of improvements today. We were playing a really good team.

A lot of legit and questionable penalties did them in, but overall I thought the team actually played a good game. Losing today won't be the killer, losing to the Browns and Miami are what hurt.

The Peyton Mannings got a couple of questionable calls that went their way. If Manning and the Bronco's continue to get that type of help they will be tough to beat until they get to the playoffs.

I thought the Bengals played an ok game. I had an issue with the end around on the 6 yard line when they were pounding the ball successfully. After a TO it went from 1st and goal from the 6 to 2nd and goal from the 10 because they tried to trick the defense.

I hate the waste of TO's in the 2nd half. It doesn't even seem to bother Marvin.

Stray
11-05-2012, 10:52 AM
The Peyton Mannings got a couple of questionable calls that went their way. If Manning and the Bronco's continue to get that type of help they will be tough to beat until they get to the playoffs.

I thought the Bengals played an ok game. I had an issue with the end around on the 6 yard line when they were pounding the ball successfully. After a TO it went from 1st and goal from the 6 to 2nd and goal from the 10 because they tried to trick the defense.

I hate the waste of TO's in the 2nd half. It doesn't even seem to bother Marvin.

Burning 2nd half TOs hurts but you gotta give some credit to Peyton, with that offense they run when you finally can get subs in it's easy to have confusion. Honestly I thought we should have burned a TO on their last TD because they ran a formation that totally confused the entire defense.

But yea I agree about the calls, they're good enough to not need the borderline calls to go their way. That drive where Dalton converted the 3rd and long but we had a ton of penalties called against us was the back breaker. That and giving up a special teams TD.

bucksfan2
11-05-2012, 11:32 AM
Burning 2nd half TOs hurts but you gotta give some credit to Peyton, with that offense they run when you finally can get subs in it's easy to have confusion. Honestly I thought we should have burned a TO on their last TD because they ran a formation that totally confused the entire defense.

But yea I agree about the calls, they're good enough to not need the borderline calls to go their way. That drive where Dalton converted the 3rd and long but we had a ton of penalties called against us was the back breaker. That and giving up a special teams TD.

Too often I think coaches think inside the box instead of outside of the box. IMO TO's, especially in the second half, are very valuable. The Bengals burned one on a 3rd and short for the Bronco's because of a defensive cluster. I thought to my self they MUST stop the Bronco's or that TO was worthless. As it ended up the Bronco's had about a 20 yard gainer after the TO. The Bengals would have been better off jumping off sides, giving the Bronco's a 1st but preserving the TO.

The PI in the endzone looked like a borderline call. The holding on the Bengals looked like a borderline call especially when you consider on the same play the WR took a shot helmet to helmet on the catch. I remember thinking during the game yesterday, man it must be nice to be a fan of Peyton because of all the calls he gets.

reds1869
11-08-2012, 04:30 PM
The game on Sunday will be blacked out locally. I despise NFL blackout rules. I live next to the stadium and I can assure you that I'm not going to suddenly buy a ticket if I don't already have one.

Redhook
11-08-2012, 07:18 PM
The game on Sunday will be blacked out locally. I despise NFL blackout rules. I live next to the stadium and I can assure you that I'm not going to suddenly buy a ticket if I don't already have one.

I'm actually pretty happy the game is not on so I won't waste 3 hours of my day. It's hard for me not to watch when they're on. Plus, it's supposed to be really nice outside so that's a nice bonus.

On a different note, I wonder what percentage of Bengal fans would go to this weekends game if they received free tickets? 10-20%? I know I wouldn't consider it.

Wonderful Monds
11-08-2012, 07:34 PM
I'm actually pretty happy the game is not on so I won't waste 3 hours of my day. It's hard for me not to watch when they're on. Plus, it's supposed to be really nice outside so that's a nice bonus.

On a different note, I wonder what percentage of Bengal fans would go to this weekends game if they received free tickets? 10-20%? I know I wouldn't consider it.

Agreed. I don't have the willpower to ignore it if its on, but if it's out of my hands, well what can ya do!

WMR
11-08-2012, 07:40 PM
It's sort of like watching a movie where there are some decent parts, but the end is super depressing and always bums you out...

... but you watch it anyway.

Wonderful Monds
11-08-2012, 08:05 PM
It's sort of like watching a movie where there are some decent parts, but the end is super depressing and always bums you out...

... but you watch it anyway.

The Bengals are the "Requiem for a Dream" of NFL teams.

camisadelgolf
11-09-2012, 02:45 AM
The Bengals are the "Weekend at Bernie's" of NFL teams with Mike Brown as the role of Bernie.

Stray
11-11-2012, 01:22 PM
Couldn't ask for a better start. You know Eli will bring them back though.

Tadasimha
11-11-2012, 03:40 PM
Maybe they shouldn't sell out any games if this is how they play when blacked out - totally dominating the Giants today.

cincrazy
11-11-2012, 03:52 PM
All of a sudden, the Bengals have KC, Oakland, SD, Dallas, and Philly coming up. All winnable games. Maybe this game lights a fire under their feet, who knows.

Ohayou
11-11-2012, 04:19 PM
Is this real life?

Redhook
11-11-2012, 08:15 PM
Is this real life?

Just when I thought the season was over, they go out and do something like this. I'm like a moth to the flame. I'm now thinking about how they could be 7-5 going into the final 4. D**n them!! :laugh:

RiverRat13
11-11-2012, 08:34 PM
http://youtu.be/UPw-3e_pzqU

HeatherC1212
11-11-2012, 08:50 PM
Who was that Bengals team today and where have they been all season???! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Stray
11-11-2012, 10:55 PM
I've been super impressed with Terrence Newman. I thought his career was over several years ago but he's been playing great for us. Even the passes completed on him, he's right there with his hands getting in the way.

That was the best game this team has played this year...by a mile. When our D-Line plays like that we're a totally different team.

Oh and the Giants looked like they were sleepwalking out there, never seen a SB champ that disinterested.

Wonderful Monds
11-12-2012, 03:11 AM
http://youtu.be/zMRrNY0pxfM

traderumor
11-12-2012, 09:19 AM
All of a sudden, the Bengals have KC, Oakland, SD, Dallas, and Philly coming up. All winnable games. Maybe this game lights a fire under their feet, who knows.They had winnable games when they dropped four in a row, too. Dolphins and Browns? This seems to be a feast or famine squad.

Redsfaithful
11-12-2012, 11:53 AM
The Dolphins have been average. The Browns yeah, no excuse, although a road division game, you never know I guess. They have played a lot of teams tough this year.

dougdirt
11-18-2012, 01:53 PM
82 players in the NFL have a longer run this season than BJGE. Adrien Peterson has 13 runs (coming into this week) longer than the longest by BJGE.

Stray
11-18-2012, 02:26 PM
Loving the aggressiveness from Marvin and Gruden today. And that TD by Green was awesome.

KoryMac5
11-18-2012, 03:38 PM
KC's offense has to be one of the worst I have seen in quite some time. That being said I like what I have been seeing from both Sanu and Peerman today. Even Gresham has been involved the last few games. Dalton does a real good job of spreading the ball around.

redsfan30
11-19-2012, 10:46 AM
Bengals win.
Chargers lose.
Steelers lose.
Colts lose.
Very winable games over the next 3ish weeks.

Folks...don't look now but the Bengals are going to find themselves fighting for a Wild Card spot.

New York Red
11-19-2012, 01:12 PM
Probably the best back-to-back performances by the Bengals in a long time. The loss to the Browns still irks me though. Win the next three and we can start talking playoff possibilities.

New York Red
11-19-2012, 01:16 PM
KC's offense has to be one of the worst I have seen in quite some time. That being said I like what I have been seeing from both Sanu and Peerman today. Even Gresham has been involved the last few games. Dalton does a real good job of spreading the ball around.
Loved Gresham's effort yesterday. He was catching the ball and refused to be tackled. That's the Gresh we need every week.

Stray
11-20-2012, 04:43 PM
I like where we're sitting at now. Couldn't ask for more with a 4 game losing streak.

Steelers are having a lot of injury issues. 3rd string QB and out of receivers to throw to. Their defense is good enough to carry the load for a while though, so I'd be really shocked if they don't win a wild card.

That leaves the Colts who still have some tough games left. If they drop a game to a tweener team like the Bills or Titans it will make it tough for them down the stretch.

camisadelgolf
11-20-2012, 05:57 PM
Although the Steelers defense is solid, I'd argue that it's not quite what it was in years past. Maybe they're going to gel later than usual, but if I were them, I'd look at the Bengals as serious contenders right now. Not only are the Bengals turning it on, they've got a favorable schedule and only one game behind. Week 16 could be very interesting.

Redsfaithful
11-20-2012, 08:30 PM
For being a game behind, the Bengals kind of have their fate in their own hands. The Colts are going to come back to earth a little bit I think.

Boss-Hog
11-20-2012, 09:06 PM
The thing that worries me most is potential tiebreakers; we're really hurting in that department at 1-3 (division) and 3-5 (AFC), so I almost feel like we have to make up two games.