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Brisco
07-30-2012, 07:47 PM
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to go.

This is an individual record, so I thought we could use jersey numbers of famous base thieves from around the league.

Brisco

Brisco
07-30-2012, 07:49 PM
Someone with better automation skills please help me... i was trying to put a picture of Tim Raines (#30) onto this post.

JayBruceFan
07-30-2012, 09:42 PM
http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/bringingheat/files/2012/05/raines1.jpg

Brisco
07-31-2012, 12:22 AM
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This was an attempt at a Vince Coleman (#29) picture.

Can someone tell how to do this right?

Plus Plus
07-31-2012, 12:54 AM
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This was an attempt at a Vince Coleman (#29) picture.

Can someone tell how to do this right?

Use Google's image search, then click on "view full size image," then paste that URL in the IMG tags.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0802/mlb.strange.injuries/images/coleman.jpg

Brisco
08-06-2012, 11:10 AM
http://athomeatfenway.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/brock-foto.jpg

Ok... I fell behind here... but you try and find a great base stealer with uniform numbers 26 and 23! :p

I should have added former Reds Cesar Cedeno at 28, however.

http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/hi/5/5444/454.jpg

Brisco
08-06-2012, 11:18 AM
Official Countdown trivia question of the day:

How many times has Billy Hamilton led the majors in steals for the season?

(No cheating by looking it up)

Side note... I am very conflicted with Billy's surge of six solen bases in the last three days. He only needs 21 to break the record, 20 to tie it. At this rate he will be there in a week, but I really want him to wait until the 24th. On that day the Wahoos start of 5 game stretch in Jackson, MS and you better believe I will be there every night just to watch him.

19braves77
08-06-2012, 12:31 PM
I am really hoping he does it the first game of the last home series vs Tennessee.

Dan
08-06-2012, 03:17 PM
Has a player ever led 2 different minor leagues in any batting category? Hamilton currently is tied for 8th in the Southern League in SB.

dougdirt
08-06-2012, 03:21 PM
I can't see Hamilton stealing enough to win the SL SB crown. He has 21 so far and the leader has 39. The Blue Wahoos only have 27 games left. So unless a few guys in the mid to high 30's in steals get hurt or promoted all at the same time, it just isn't going to happen.

Brisco
08-06-2012, 05:03 PM
I can't see Hamilton stealing enough to win the SL SB crown. He has 21 so far and the leader has 39. The Blue Wahoos only have 27 games left. So unless a few guys in the mid to high 30's in steals get hurt or promoted all at the same time, it just isn't going to happen.

Hmmm at his semi-torrid current rate of 21 steals in 24 Southern League games, he will end up with 24 more steals or 45 total. Josh Prince, the league leader has stolen 39 bases in 111 games, at that rate he will have 49 at seasons end. Lee, who has 37 currently will have 47 at season end.

The odds say Billy will not catch him or the other leaders, but it is certainly within striking distance. (Throw in the fact that teh #1 and #2 each have only one SB in their last 9 games and it starts to look even more attainable.

Of course if Billy reverts to his Bakersfield SB rate, he will blow by both of them and have 55 at seasons end.

camisadelgolf
08-06-2012, 07:05 PM
Coleman's record is 145; Hamilton has 125 stolen bases; and the Blue Wahoos have 27 games left. If Hamilton plays every game, he's on pace to get 31.8 more stolen bases, which would bring him to 156. Things are looking good. *knocks on wood*

camisadelgolf
08-06-2012, 07:11 PM
Official Countdown trivia question of the day:

How many times has Billy Hamilton led the majors in steals for the season?

(No cheating by looking it up)
Zero. He has never played in the majors. What do I win? :evil:

dougdirt
08-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Zero. He has never played in the majors. What do I win? :evil:

Trick question, he meant the other Billy Hamilton. :laugh:

Tornon
08-06-2012, 07:59 PM
I do remember seeing he has the record for most 100 steal seasons

Brisco
08-06-2012, 09:27 PM
Trick question, he meant the other Billy Hamilton. :laugh:

Good catch Doug. "Sliding Billy Hamilton" led the majors in five different seasons.

camisadelgolf
08-06-2012, 09:29 PM
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camisadelgolf
08-06-2012, 11:46 PM
http://s.ecrater.com/stores/66095/4fca89762bb14_66095b.jpg

texasdave
08-07-2012, 11:50 AM
Vince Coleman played for the Reds near the end of his career. Very briefly in 1996. Stole 12 bases.

texasdave
08-07-2012, 11:55 AM
Not sure you can have a Stolen Base Countdown without mentioning this ex-Red.
Number twenty-one in your scorecard and number one in your hearts. The most exciting two minutes in sports, Sean Casey stealing second base.

Sean "Wheels" Casey. If he ran as fast as he talked, he would be in Cooperstown today.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJe_nPsHuDwa_ixHQbHrmPdbyeS9gN NzvsQNqcS_QJT991XBP

medford
08-07-2012, 01:12 PM
I said in the Casey - Reds HoF thread, but I'll repeat it here. The best quote I've ever seen about Sean Casey's running skills (or lack there of) was a quote that I saw in SI however many years back. I don't remember who said it, but it went something like this:

"Sean Casey is the slowest man I've ever seen with perfect running form"

19braves77
08-07-2012, 01:24 PM
Vince Coleman played for the Reds near the end of his career. Very briefly in 1996. Stole 12 bases.

Hoping the Wahoos can get him in house when Billy gets closer. I liked Vince until he became a Met.

Brisco
08-07-2012, 02:11 PM
Not sure you can have a Stolen Base Countdown without mentioning this ex-Red.
Number twenty-one in your scorecard and number one in your hearts. The most exciting two minutes in sports, Sean Casey stealing second base.

Sean "Wheels" Casey. If he ran as fast as he talked, he would be in Cooperstown today.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJe_nPsHuDwa_ixHQbHrmPdbyeS9gN NzvsQNqcS_QJT991XBP

Sorry, but blame Billy. He is the one that stole 3 bases in a night, going from 23 to 20 remaining... Skipping the illustrious 21.

Brisco
08-08-2012, 11:12 AM
http://90feetofperfection.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/sabo-si.jpg

texasdave
08-08-2012, 02:43 PM
MILB is following Hamilton's progress as well. He now has the third highest total in minor league history. Interestingly enough, numbers one and two both happened in 1983. Vince Coleman had 145 and Donnell Nixon had 144. That was pre-internet, of course. Can you imagine the coverage if that happened nowadays?

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120807&content_id=36276558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

medford
08-08-2012, 03:05 PM
MILB is following Hamilton's progress as well. He now has the third highest total in minor league history. Interestingly enough, numbers one and two both happened in 1983. Vince Coleman had 145 and Donnell Nixon had 144. That was pre-internet, of course. Can you imagine the coverage if that happened nowadays?

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120807&content_id=36276558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

Make you wonder where each would have ended up had one or the other been injuried that season. Did each push each other to attempt more steals to claim the title? Would they have stopped short of 120 if they had the record in hand?

19braves77
08-08-2012, 06:23 PM
I liked Chris Sabo when he was active.

mth123
08-08-2012, 09:20 PM
MILB is following Hamilton's progress as well. He now has the third highest total in minor league history. Interestingly enough, numbers one and two both happened in 1983. Vince Coleman had 145 and Donnell Nixon had 144. That was pre-internet, of course. Can you imagine the coverage if that happened nowadays?

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120807&content_id=36276558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

Donnell Nixon is a perfect example as to why I'm not as carried away about Hamilton as others are. Nixon as a 20 Y/O in A ball:

508 PAs .338/.396/.479/.876 with 85 SB in 98 attempts. The following year A+
620 PAs .321/.391/.408/.799 with 144 SB in 168 attempts. Nixon ended up with a short career as a part time player who accumulated 438 PAs over 4 seasons and ended with a career OPS of .671.

texasdave
08-08-2012, 10:17 PM
The number seven basestealer of all-time is Walter Arlington (Arlie) Latham. Also known as 'The Freshest Man On Earth'. And there is your stolen base trivia of the day.

texasdave
08-08-2012, 10:19 PM
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A little change of pace here.

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198 career steals. Most of them headfirst. Nice. Unfortunately, the Russian judge gave him a 7. No medal for Pete.

powersackers
08-08-2012, 10:37 PM
Hey she's on my "fantasy" team.

texasdave
08-08-2012, 10:57 PM
nm E-Me.

camisadelgolf
08-08-2012, 10:58 PM
Looks like Dayton is playing a little free baseball tonight. Dan Jensen worked three innings in relief of Stalin Gerson. He gave up five hits and struck out nobody. But he kept them from scoring. Tied at two after nine.
I'm really glad to hear this news. Thank you for not wasting your post in a different thread.

texasdave
08-08-2012, 10:58 PM
I'm really glad to hear this news. Thank you for not wasting your post in a different thread.

This is why I love copy and paste. :laugh:

camisadelgolf
08-09-2012, 05:00 AM
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120809&content_id=36399818&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

mdccclxix
08-09-2012, 10:20 AM
If Billy could get on base at a .300 clip this year, he'd massively upgrade the Reds lead off spot. I think the Reds have to do a serious evaluation about how they might get him on the playoff roster if deemed necessary.

Steve4192
08-09-2012, 11:34 AM
If Billy could get on base at a .300 clip this year, he'd massively upgrade the Reds lead off spot. I think the Reds have to do a serious evaluation about how they might get him on the playoff roster if deemed necessary.

If minor league stats translated directly to MLB production, we wouldn't have an issue at the leadoff spot. Heisey had a 365 OBP in the minors, Stubbs had a 363 OBP, Frazier had a 353 OBP and Cozart had a 332 OBP. Problem is, most young players numbers fall off dramatically in their first exposure to MLB pitching. Guys who excel in the majors right out of the gate are exceedingly rare.

Aside from that, where would you play him? I think the pitching staff would mutiny if you took Cozart's reliable and occasionally brilliant glove out of the lineup and replaced it with a rookie with defensive issues. Worse yet, would you replace a gold glove caliber CF with a kid who has never played the outfield and have him learn on the job? Do you really want a suspect glove playing behind your pitching staff in the middle of a pennant race?

I like Hamilton, but he is no way, shape, or form ready to be a major contributor to a major league team in the middle of pennant race. He could be a useful spare part (ie ... as a pinch runner), but not an everyday player.

Brisco
08-09-2012, 12:01 PM
If minor league stats translated directly to MLB production, we wouldn't have an issue at the leadoff spot. Heisey had a 365 OBP in the minors, Stubbs had a 363 OBP, Frazier had a 353 OBP and Cozart had a 332 OBP. Problem is, most young players numbers fall off dramatically in their first exposure to MLB pitching. Guys who excel in the majors right out of the gate are exceedingly rare.

Aside from that, where would you play him? I think the pitching staff would mutiny if you took Cozart's reliable and occasionally brilliant glove out of the lineup and replaced it with a rookie with defensive issues. Worse yet, would you replace a gold glove caliber CF with a kid who has never played the outfield and have him learn on the job? Do you really want a suspect glove playing behind your pitching staff in the middle of a pennant race?

I like Hamilton, but he is no way, shape, or form ready to be a major contributor to a major league team in the middle of pennant race. He could be a useful spare part (ie ... as a pinch runner), but not an everyday player.

Hey guys... Love the discussion about Billy's future, but can you help me keep this thread in the now? The Reds organization is about to have a player break a record for all of professional baseball. Even if he never plays a day in the majors, this is something we should just sit back and enjoy while it happens.
:thumbup: :beerme:

Brisco
08-09-2012, 12:09 PM
I can't see Hamilton stealing enough to win the SL SB crown. He has 21 so far and the leader has 39. The Blue Wahoos only have 27 games left. So unless a few guys in the mid to high 30's in steals get hurt or promoted all at the same time, it just isn't going to happen.

FYI, the incredible may have a chance... In three games, Billy has stolen 6 to be at 27 whereas the league leader only stole one. So the lead has gone from 18 to 13 with 24 games left.

medford
08-09-2012, 12:49 PM
Perhaps Billy reads the boards and thought "why not..."

krm1580
08-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Actually Baseball America seems pretty interested now. They have their own Billy Hamilton countdown on their main page.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today

dougdirt
08-09-2012, 01:42 PM
FYI, the incredible may have a chance... In three games, Billy has stolen 6 to be at 27 whereas the league leader only stole one. So the lead has gone from 18 to 13 with 24 games left.

Haha. You are right. Last night, the catcher simply didn't have a chance. The guy last night has only thrown out 21% of guys this year. The other catcher on the roster has thrown out 43%, so it will be interesting to see if he has more luck.

RedsManRick
08-09-2012, 02:06 PM
FYI, the incredible may have a chance... In three games, Billy has stolen 6 to be at 27 whereas the league leader only stole one. So the lead has gone from 18 to 13 with 24 games left.

Once he breaks the record, I think the Reds brass will ask him to dial it back a bit.

19braves77
08-09-2012, 02:49 PM
Christian Bethancourt is the only catcher on the remaining Wahoos schedule that could make this tuff on Billy. Maybe Ed Easley with Mobile.

kaldaniels
08-09-2012, 07:27 PM
Haha. You are right. Last night, the catcher simply didn't have a chance. The guy last night has only thrown out 21% of guys this year. The other catcher on the roster has thrown out 43%, so it will be interesting to see if he has more luck.

I saw your tweet on Billys 3.64 time...anything to add to it here?

camisadelgolf
08-09-2012, 09:27 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BrXoCLfEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

redsof72
08-10-2012, 01:57 AM
Once he breaks the record, I think the Reds brass will ask him to dial it back a bit.

Agree on that.

An interesting stat I came across today. I wanted to see how well he was running on lefties, who can be next to impossible to run on for most. It did not stop him last year in Dayton, and not this year. In Pensacola, Billy has 7 hits against LHP, and he has 7 SB against lefties.

dougdirt
08-10-2012, 03:01 AM
I saw your tweet on Billys 3.64 time...anything to add to it here?

Video is on youtube if you want to see it. It is funny though, he was out on that play. Later in the game he had 2 infield hits, both 3.85ish.

Brisco
08-11-2012, 02:23 PM
http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ron-Santo.jpg


... To go to tie the record. I picked Santo in honor of his HOF admission.

GullyFoyle
08-11-2012, 10:33 PM
Billy now has 31 in the Southern League and the leader has 41 with 19 to go. He is averaging more than 1 a game ...

The Baseball America podcast thinks he is going to lead both leagues ...

SirFelixCat
08-12-2012, 01:56 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZDHOkAae0Co/ToE_1ImHsjI/AAAAAAAAAUs/fqsEdvM178Q/s1600/ted-williams.jpg

Because it's Ted freaking Williams, that's why!

Brisco
08-12-2012, 08:29 PM
http://wtpbaseball.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/joe-morgan-8.jpg

Brisco
08-12-2012, 08:34 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Monster_Seats_6.30.07_103.jpg

JayBruceFan
08-12-2012, 10:52 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rbOMBVHZibE/Tc4GE6q7_nI/AAAAAAAAg6s/7_-l_BKUk9Q/s1600/6+stan-musial.jpg

redsfandan
08-13-2012, 07:47 AM
That thursday night game at Mobile looks like the game to be at. Could be historic. :)

Maybe there could be a RedsZoner with video. :thumbup:


http://wtpbaseball.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/joe-morgan-8.jpg

This is mostly directed to those that watch Reds prospects like Hamilton and that watched Morgan and the BRM. I've heard that Morgan was the sparkplug that got the BRM going. That he had the ability to start big innings and rallies mostly due to his ability to get on base and disrupt the opposing pitchers. Ok, here's the question: (dare I suggest it but ... ) could Hamilton be another Morgan?

I'm just talking strictly offense, could he make the same kind of impact? Improve the Reds offense, not just one notch, but one or two by himself. Obviously, Hamilton won't have Morgan's power and the obp might be wishful thinking. But, with Billy's speed and possible improvements to his baserunning ability ...

The Reds offense jumped from 586 runs scored in '71 to 707 in '72 (eventually reaching a peak of 857 runs scored in '76). From '70 to '76 the Reds were in the playoffs 5 times with around 100 wins every year except one. Could Billy be the key to another run of playoff appearances?

Steve4192
08-13-2012, 08:15 AM
That thursday night game at Mobile looks like the game to be at. Could be historic. :)

Maybe there could be a RedsZoner with video. :thumbup:



This is mostly directed to those that watch Reds prospects like Hamilton and that watched Morgan and the BRM. I've heard that Morgan was the sparkplug that got the BRM going. That he had the ability to start big innings and rallies mostly due to his ability to get on base and disrupt the opposing pitchers. Ok, here's the question: (dare I suggest it but ... ) could Hamilton be another Morgan?

I'm just talking strictly offense, could he make the same kind of impact? Improve the Reds offense, not just one notch, but one or two by himself. Obviously, Hamilton won't have Morgan's power and the obp might be wishful thinking. But, with Billy's speed and possible improvements to his baserunning ability ...

No

Little Joe's power makes the comparison ludicrous, especially once you adjust for era.

Also, while Hamilton has done a good job of pumping up his walk rate this year, I seriously doubt he'll ever be as proficient at it as Morgan was. Even if he develops an eye that is equal to Morgan's, he doesn't have the pop in his bat to keep pitchers from challenging him in the strike zone. Drawing walks is a lot harder when pitchers know they can throw a meatball down the middle and not get punished with an extra base hit.

Lastly, he will certainly be a more prolific base stealer than Morgan, he has a LONG way to go before he is as skilled as Morgan was on the bases. Hamilton is way faster than Morgan ever was, but Joe was the king of getting huge leads, taking extra bases, and generally making a nuisance of himself on the basepaths. If Hamilton can ever develop his baserunning SKILLS to go along with his natural gifts, he has a chance to be all-time great in the baserunning department.

Scrap Irony
08-13-2012, 10:37 AM
This is mostly directed to those that watch Reds prospects like Hamilton and that watched Morgan and the BRM. I've heard that Morgan was the sparkplug that got the BRM going. That he had the ability to start big innings and rallies mostly due to his ability to get on base and disrupt the opposing pitchers. Ok, here's the question: (dare I suggest it but ... ) could Hamilton be another Morgan?

I'm just talking strictly offense, could he make the same kind of impact? Improve the Reds offense, not just one notch, but one or two by himself. Obviously, Hamilton won't have Morgan's power and the obp might be wishful thinking. But, with Billy's speed and possible improvements to his baserunning ability ...

Hamilton's base-running ability distracts both pitchers and catchers. If he were to keep his obp over .350 (a possibility more and more probable with each game shown in AA), he'll improve the Red offense on his own. Too, because he already has a reputation for being patience, he'll likely get many borderline pitches.

Fastballs will become more prevalent for Votto, Phillips, Bruce, and others. Meatballs will improve their numbers.

He won't be Morgan, but I suspect he could become Morgan Lite.

medford
08-13-2012, 12:19 PM
With somebody like Billy's skill set, I think its a double edge sword.

No body is going to want to walk him due to the damage he's capable on the base paths. So I don't think he'll see a ton of 1st pitch breaking balls. On the flip side, if you throw him something over the plate, somebody else's long single will be Billy's double, perhaps even triple, not to mention all the infield hits he'll generate on balls 99% of the baseball world will be out on, so you're not going to throw it over the middle and hope he gets himself out. I imagine Billy will see a bunch of 1st pitch fastball in under his hands or on the outer 1/4 of the plate. I don't know if he has problems w/ the inside fastball under the hands like so many other prospects do (thinking Juan Francisco), but if he can avoid that and recognize the difference b/w a strike on the outer 1/4 of the plate and lace it the other way and a ball the ends up outside the strike zone, I think he'll be a very productive ML hitter as long as his speed stays in tact.

He obviously doesn't have the power of a superstar ML player, but few ML superstars have his speed. He's got the type of speed that affects the way you pitch to him, you pitch to others when he's on base, the way the infield plays when he's at bat, etc...

lollipopcurve
08-13-2012, 12:25 PM
A very nice article on Hamilton's progress as a hitter. Plenty of quotes from the Reds' AA hitting coach:

www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120812&content_id=36602482&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

Scrap Irony
08-13-2012, 12:49 PM
A very nice article on Hamilton's progress as a hitter. Plenty of quotes from the Reds' AA hitting coach:

www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120812&content_id=36602482&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

Jamarillo is well-respected. My favorite quote (and one that may finally put to rest the Hamilton-has-no-power meme:

"No doubt about it, he'll definitely be a .300 hitter," the hitting coach noted. "He hits the ball hard when he hits it. If it's in the gap, it's a for-sure triple. He hit one today over the center fielder's head and it was the easiest triple you've ever seen. Coasting into third just to see if they're overthrowing the relay.

He may not ever reach 10 homers in a season, but a .300/.350/.400 line with 80+ SB at a good rate is a difference-maker, especially at SS.

camisadelgolf
08-13-2012, 01:19 PM
8. Hanigan
9. pitcher
1. Hamilton

Hanigan gets on base a lot, so how many times do you think we'll see Hamilton lap Hanigan on the basepaths?

medford
08-13-2012, 01:37 PM
How long does Hannigan have on his contract? According to Cots, he's signed thru next season, and it appears as if that would be his last arbitration season, so he's free to walk unless the Reds resign him. That wouldn't surprise me, but depending on how Mes develops over the next 1.25 seasons, I wouldn't surprise me to see them let Hannigan walk away to make room for a guy like Tucker Barnhart as a once thru the rotation catcher with Mes taking the other 4 days + an occasional rest. W/ the contracts to Votto, Phillips, Bruce, etc... if they can save a few bucks on the backup catcher by putting in a solid defensively in house option it would really help w/ the pay felx.

anywhoo, I guess my point is, we may not have that many opportunities to watch Hannigan on the base paths in front of a Hamilton triple.

camisadelgolf
08-13-2012, 01:54 PM
How long does Hannigan have on his contract? According to Cots, he's signed thru next season, and it appears as if that would be his last arbitration season, so he's free to walk unless the Reds resign him. That wouldn't surprise me, but depending on how Mes develops over the next 1.25 seasons, I wouldn't surprise me to see them let Hannigan walk away to make room for a guy like Tucker Barnhart as a once thru the rotation catcher with Mes taking the other 4 days + an occasional rest. W/ the contracts to Votto, Phillips, Bruce, etc... if they can save a few bucks on the backup catcher by putting in a solid defensively in house option it would really help w/ the pay felx.

anywhoo, I guess my point is, we may not have that many opportunities to watch Hannigan on the base paths in front of a Hamilton triple.
The Reds own the rights to Hanigan through the end of the 2014 season. I have a feeling they'll be on the same field together at some point.

redsfandan
08-13-2012, 02:56 PM
No

Little Joe's power makes the comparison ludicrous, especially once you adjust for era.

Also, while Hamilton has done a good job of pumping up his walk rate this year, I seriously doubt he'll ever be as proficient at it as Morgan was. Even if he develops an eye that is equal to Morgan's, he doesn't have the pop in his bat to keep pitchers from challenging him in the strike zone. Drawing walks is a lot harder when pitchers know they can throw a meatball down the middle and not get punished with an extra base hit.

Lastly, he will certainly be a more prolific base stealer than Morgan, he has a LONG way to go before he is as skilled as Morgan was on the bases. Hamilton is way faster than Morgan ever was, but Joe was the king of getting huge leads, taking extra bases, and generally making a nuisance of himself on the basepaths. If Hamilton can ever develop his baserunning SKILLS to go along with his natural gifts, he has a chance to be all-time great in the baserunning department.
I realize they're different. I just threw out the comparison because #1 they both have an ability to distract pitchers on the basepaths and #2 I'm curious if Hamilton could have the same kind of effect on the Reds offense.

But, yeah, it'll be really interesting to see how much Hamilton can improve as a baserunner. If he improves enough 100 steals is possible. Been awhile since a major league did that. Any chance Joe could give him some pointers?

kaldaniels
08-13-2012, 03:09 PM
nm

Brisco
08-13-2012, 06:56 PM
Hey guys... lots of threads to talk about Billy's Future potential... this one is all about the NOW. We are celebrating his achievements this year as he is on the verge of doing something incredible.

Please help me in keeping this thread about this year and this incredible stolen base record. This is not the thread for argument. Talk about Billy's strengths and weaknesses in other threads, because they pull us 9the Reds community) apart and this thread is all about bringing us together to CELEBRATE his current remarkable achievments.

:beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::b eerme:

Blitz Dorsey
08-13-2012, 07:59 PM
Hey Hosers (you like my 80's Strange Brew reference?),

Slidin' Billy is up to 139 steals. That's just six away from tying Vince Coleman's minor league record of 145 and seven from breaking it (quick math ... I obviously went to MIT).

Hamilton's player page:

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t4124&t=p_pbp&pid=571740

redsfandan
08-14-2012, 11:14 AM
Hey guys... lots of threads to talk about Billy's Future potential... this one is all about the NOW. We are celebrating his achievements this year as he is on the verge of doing something incredible.

Please help me in keeping this thread about this year and this incredible stolen base record. This is not the thread for argument. Talk about Billy's strengths and weaknesses in other threads, because they pull us 9the Reds community) apart and this thread is all about bringing us together to CELEBRATE his current remarkable achievments.

:beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::b eerme:
Guess I'll just repost this ...

That thursday night game at Mobile looks like the game to be at. Could be historic. :)

Maybe there could be a RedsZoner with video. :thumbup:


Happy?

I apologize, I just didn't think it would be that big a deal to pose the question.

CrackerJack
08-15-2012, 02:13 AM
I would hope some sort of media would be there covering him with video in the coming days? Local or otherwise?

Degenerate39
08-15-2012, 09:33 PM
4 away from tying it

texasdave
08-15-2012, 09:38 PM
Two more in the first inning tonight.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPdFvDV5Lqa2hvRYPGbfTm_AWXcdPDJ TN4kOTvncA_VnTe-BKO

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKDrsONctaynXr6eiyTZt96XY2APECH fgv5rs5xdgBIqXiW0pQ

Brisco
08-16-2012, 12:11 PM
As an added bonus, Billy is also 4 steals behind the Southern League Leader, Josh Prince. In the past week, Billy has moved from 8th place to a tie for second.

Dan
08-16-2012, 12:14 PM
As an added bonus, Billy is also 4 steals behind the Southern League Leader, Josh Prince. In the past week, Billy has moved from 8th place to a tie for second.

This is what I'm hoping for. Naturally I'm rooting for the pro baseball SB record, but I wonder how unique it would be for a player to lead two different minor leagues in an offensive category in the same year.

19braves77
08-16-2012, 12:38 PM
I will be in Mobile on Friday with vids. I think he ties it on Friday, takes a day off on Saturday, and claims the record on Sunday in Pensacola.

Homer Bailey
08-16-2012, 12:38 PM
Billy Hamilton is tied with Hak-Ju Lee for second in the Southern League in SBs (37). Lee's been there 116 games, Hamilton 33.

@BenBadler

UCBrownsfan
08-16-2012, 12:44 PM
This is what I'm hoping for. Naturally I'm rooting for the pro baseball SB record, but I wonder how unique it would be for a player to lead two different minor leagues in an offensive category in the same year.

It's not a given that he leads the California league, Rico Noel has 9 in his last 10 games - now at 82 or 22 short of Billy with 19 games to go.

Spider Tre
08-18-2012, 03:07 AM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/569/150/81693657_display_image.jpg

had one more stolen base in yesterday's double header. just 3 more!

WahoosFanRyan
08-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Top of the 1st Inning- Billy hit a single then went on to steal a base.

Score:
Pensacola- 0
Mobile- 0

http://floppingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DJ.jpg

powersackers
08-19-2012, 04:43 AM
Is it two to tie or to break?

dougdirt
08-19-2012, 12:08 PM
Two to tie, three to break. Coleman had 145. Hamilton currently has 143.

SirFelixCat
08-21-2012, 09:15 PM
Already has 3 tonight (3B twice and 2B once). Congrats, Billy!

Sea Ray
08-21-2012, 09:23 PM
Already has 3 tonight (3B twice and 2B once). Congrats, Billy!

Wow. He stole three before Redszone could post a picture of Zach Cozart or Fred Hutchison. That's pretty hard to do as RZ is lightning quick on these sorts of things. That Billy Hamilton must be fast!

Congratulations Billy...now rest and save the wear and tear on your body of stealing bases until you get to the show.

WahoosFanRyan
08-21-2012, 09:35 PM
He got it! Congrats Billy!

RED VAN HOT
08-21-2012, 09:53 PM
For the moment he also leads the league in SB's.

GullyFoyle
08-21-2012, 11:26 PM
He leads TWO leagues in stolen bases.

dougdirt
08-21-2012, 11:36 PM
I can't see Hamilton stealing enough to win the SL SB crown. He has 21 so far and the leader has 39. The Blue Wahoos only have 27 games left. So unless a few guys in the mid to high 30's in steals get hurt or promoted all at the same time, it just isn't going to happen.

Um. Whoops..... :laugh:

Blitz Dorsey
08-22-2012, 12:52 AM
Absolutely amazing. 147 steals and the season isn't even over yet. And he's hitting well too. Notice his OPS is exactly the same at Bakersfield and Pensacola (.852). Folks, that's getting it done and then some. Wow.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t4124&t=p_pbp&pid=571740

powersackers
08-22-2012, 01:07 AM
He got No. 4 on ESPN top 10 plays. Congrats Billy and the Reds Nation.

camisadelgolf
08-22-2012, 07:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8291219/billy-hamilton-cincinnati-reds-prospect-sets-steals-record-147

Dan
08-23-2012, 08:46 AM
Um. Whoops..... :laugh:

LOL Yeah I wasn't sure it would happen either. Neat, though.

I am still wondering if any player has ever led 2 minor leagues in a single season in a counting stat.

klw
08-23-2012, 09:27 AM
LOL Yeah I wasn't sure it would happen either. Neat, though.

I am still wondering if any player has ever led 2 minor leagues in a single season in a counting stat.

There is a chance he could get caught in the California league. Rico Noel has 85 steals. With 9 games left he needs 19 steals to match Hamilton for the league lead. Unlikely but possible if he guns for it.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_bat&lid=110
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592596

Sea Ray
08-23-2012, 09:45 AM
There is a chance he could get caught in the California league. Rico Noel has 85 steals. With 9 games left he needs 19 steals to match Hamilton for the league lead. Unlikely but possible if he guns for it.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_bat&lid=110
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592596

How unusual would it be for two guys to steal over 100 in the same season?

Dan
08-23-2012, 10:13 AM
There is a chance he could get caught in the California league. Rico Noel has 85 steals. With 9 games left he needs 19 steals to match Hamilton for the league lead. Unlikely but possible if he guns for it.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_bat&lid=110
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592596

Of course he can be caught. Someone pointed that out before. But that wasn't what I was asking. To clarify, I was wondering, IF Hamilton isn't caught, would that be the first time someone led two minor leagues in a counting stat in the same season?

dougdirt
08-23-2012, 12:31 PM
How unusual would it be for two guys to steal over 100 in the same season?

I wonder if the last time it happened was when Coleman broke the record and Donnel Nixon stole 144.

Sea Ray
08-23-2012, 03:11 PM
I wonder if the last time it happened was when Coleman broke the record and Donnel Nixon stole 144.

Nice tidbit there Doug. Never heard of him but now I see that he's the brother of Otis Nixon and that he had a MLB career of a little over 200 games and only stole 47 bases