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reds44
08-01-2012, 12:34 AM
Fantastic timing.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2012/07/31/phillips-on-calf-no-bueno/


“To tell you the truth, I’m not going to be playing for a while. Dr. [Kremchek, Medical Director] looked at it and he said it was worse than what they expected. I didn’t know. I just knew it felt bad. I just feel like I let people down, especially because we’re in first place and the race is real close. You already have one person out, so I don’t want to be the person coming out. It just really [stinks].”

LoganBuck
08-01-2012, 12:37 AM
H Rod, or Didi time. Can't use Valdez at any of the needed lineup slots.

reds44
08-01-2012, 12:38 AM
Can Frazier play 2nd (assuming Votto is back before Phillips)?

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:39 AM
Frazier to 2b when Votto gets back. Not really though. Hope it's not Negron with Valdez starting.

reds44
08-01-2012, 12:40 AM
Frazier to 2b when Votto gets back. Not really though. Hope it's not Negron with Valdez starting.
Isn't Negron dead?

(not literally)

savafan
08-01-2012, 12:41 AM
Going to the game on Thursday. No Votto. No Phillips. Premium baby! :thumbup:

LoganBuck
08-01-2012, 12:41 AM
Can Frazier play 2nd (assuming Votto is back before Phillips)?

Todd Frazier can do anything. (With the possible exception of playing middle infield)

kaldaniels
08-01-2012, 12:41 AM
Negron's ACL is no bueno.

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:42 AM
I know, Time to Call Up Billy!

Tom Servo
08-01-2012, 12:43 AM
Any decent 2B likely to pass through trade waivers?

cbowen2112
08-01-2012, 12:43 AM
It will be Valdez at 2B or Frazier at 2B with Cairo at 1st :(

If they call anyone up, I bet it is someone like a Henry Rodriguez. He is flat out hitting the ball in L-Ville.

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:44 AM
I don't know if anyone's defense is up to snuff (Rodriguez, Frazier), it may have to be Valdez.

Tony Cloninger
08-01-2012, 12:45 AM
Frazier cannot play 2B. He is not sound on defense there.

I hope it is Henry.....but this is beyond absurd how this can happen....but really what do you expect with the way Phillips takes his swings.

reds44
08-01-2012, 12:46 AM
H-Rod has played 11 games at 2nd in AAA and hasn't made an error. For his career he has a .970 fielding percentage at 2nd. I know that's not the best way to judge defense, but that's all I got.

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:46 AM
How is it Brandon's fault he got injured?

Perhaps Didi could be a solution, but I have a hard time seeing Valdez getting passed up for Didi.

alloverjr
08-01-2012, 12:47 AM
Now I guess would be a good time to bring Overbay over to man 1B until Votto gets back, Frazier covers 2B, Valdez defensive replacement & spot bunter.

Tom Servo
08-01-2012, 12:47 AM
How is it Brandon's fault he got injured?

It's not, and the idea that it is shouldn't even be brought up IMO.

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:48 AM
H-Rod has played 11 games at 2nd in AAA and hasn't made an error. For his career he has a .970 fielding percentage at 2nd. I know that's not the best way to judge defense, but that's all I got.

oh, that's good, at least he's been playing at 2b recently. I'd like to see what he's got. This lineup needs a .300 hitter.

Brutus
08-01-2012, 12:48 AM
Overbay will need to be on waivers for 48 hours, so it will likely be at least 3 days before the Reds could get him into the mix.

mdccclxix
08-01-2012, 12:49 AM
It's not, and the idea that it is shouldn't even be brought up IMO.

Yeah I kind of like how Brandon takes his swings, they usually work out well.

reds44
08-01-2012, 12:50 AM
Maybe he won't need a trip to the DL...

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP
#YeaBuddy... Back on the #WINNING track!!! #NoBueno... Tried the last two days but think its time 2 lay low 4 a day or two! Still #SharkWeek

Kc61
08-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Maybe he won't need a trip to the DL...

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP
#YeaBuddy... Back on the #WINNING track!!! #NoBueno... Tried the last two days but think its time 2 lay low 4 a day or two! Still #SharkWeek

I was wondering where the DL thing came from. I didn't see any Reds person or BP say DL.

Maybe yes, maybe no, but did anyone actually say that?

kaldaniels
08-01-2012, 12:52 AM
I was wondering where the DL thing came from. I didn't see any Reds person or BP say DL.

Maybe yes, maybe no, but did anyone actually say that?

I wondered the same.

kaldaniels
08-01-2012, 12:55 AM
Upgraded from "likely" to "maybe".

Tony Cloninger
08-01-2012, 01:23 AM
Yeah I kind of like how Brandon takes his swings, they usually work out well.

I never said it was. Just not surprised it could happen with the way he sometimes swings. :confused:

fearofpopvol1
08-01-2012, 01:24 AM
The Reds need Phillips for the Pirates series. Arguably, they need him for this Padres series.

Kc61
08-01-2012, 01:25 AM
Wait till Cairo gets a start at second base. RedsZone will explode.

Tom Servo
08-01-2012, 01:30 AM
Wait till Cairo gets a start at second base. RedsZone will explode.
I was just laughing to myself before thinking about the possibility of the Reds in the World Series, and when they go play the AL team the rest of baseball who generally pay the Reds no mind are baffled by batting 7th: DH - Miguel Cairo. :ughmamoru:

powersackers
08-01-2012, 01:31 AM
How did his injury go down? Was at the game and honestly didn't notice him pulled? Was it between innings? What's hurt? Was it from the swing the other day in Colorado?

Big Klu
08-01-2012, 01:35 AM
From what I understand, Frazier's worst position is 2B. He is unable to master the footwork. Frazier is strictly a corner INF/OF who can play SS in an absolute emergency.

I figure that if Brandon is out for only a few days, Valdez will get the bulk of the time at 2B, with Cairo as his backup. If BP has to go on DatDudeDL, then Henry Rodriguez might get a look, and work in a semi-platoon with Valdez.

Big Klu
08-01-2012, 01:40 AM
How did his injury go down? Was at the game and honestly didn't notice him pulled? Was it between innings? What's hurt? Was it from the swing the other day in Colorado?

Sounds like he aggravated the calf strain he had in Denver. He said in the postgame interview that he reinjured it in the first inning.

He left the game in the top of the 8th after hitting the go-ahead home run in the bottom of the 7th. Valdez moved to 2B, and Cozart entered at SS.

powersackers
08-01-2012, 01:43 AM
Sounds like he aggravated the calf strain he had in Denver. He said in the postgame interview that he reinjured it in the first inning.

He left the game in the top of the 8th after hitting the go-ahead home run in the bottom of the 7th. Valdez moved to 2B, and Cozart entered at SS.

Thanks. I knew that wasn't a "Cramp" in Denver.

11larkin11
08-01-2012, 01:54 AM
If Votto and Phillips are really out, we're losing a LOT of offense. I may be willing to sacrifice some defense for offense with Frazier at 2B. Depends on who we bring up. I like H-Rod at 2nd and Frazier at 1B the best.

Tom Servo
08-01-2012, 01:58 AM
We're in a pennant race
And this is crazy
But my calf really hurts
So DL maybe?

corkedbat
08-01-2012, 02:00 AM
Dang. If they'd lmown about this 24 hrs ago, maybe they could have dealtfor someone like Kelly Johnson. Maybe they could get someone Orlando Hudson through waivers from the ChiSox (although he's not doing that well).

I just hope they go with Didi or HRod, but I'm guessing Chris Valaika will be on the bench tomorrow with Valdez starting. Blech.

WVRedsFan
08-01-2012, 02:13 AM
Too much wringing of hands. Doubt we see DL here. If so, there are options. Not sure what they are. I just know Cairo isn't one of them. I'd say Cozart at short and Valdez at seond. Pitching is our strength, believe it or not, and will be.

Big Klu
08-01-2012, 02:18 AM
Dang. If they'd lmown about this 24 hrs ago, maybe they could have dealtfor someone like Kelly Johnson. Maybe they could get someone Orlando Hudson through waivers from the ChiSox (although he's not doing that well).

I just hope they go with Didi or HRod, but I'm guessing Chris Valaika will be on the bench tomorrow with Valdez starting. Blech.

No, if BP goes on the DL, I think the Reds will use this as an opportunity to add a LH bat to the roster, which means Henry Rodriguez or Didi Gregorius. (Willie Harris could be an outside possibility, but he would have to be added to the 40-man, and I think the Reds like having that 40th spot open right now in case of a possible waiver claim like Overbay.)

powersackers
08-01-2012, 03:46 AM
We're in a pennant race
And this is crazy
But my calf really hurts
So DL maybe?

I get it. Well done.

Degenerate39
08-01-2012, 08:00 AM
If they went on a 10 game winning streak without Votto imagine what they'd do without Phillips and Votto

dougdirt
08-01-2012, 08:09 AM
If Phillips is going to miss 5 days or more, just DL him and call up Didi or HRod for 2 weeks and a day. Todd Frazier is not a second baseman. He was brutally bad there when he last played there. Miguel Cairo, even if he could play defense there, and he can't, shouldn't be the answer to any question other than who should the Reds release from their roster right now. Wilson Valdez has no starting abilities at all.

Benihana
08-01-2012, 08:47 AM
If Phillips is going to miss 5 days or more, just DL him and call up Didi or HRod for 2 weeks and a day. Todd Frazier is not a second baseman. He was brutally bad there when he last played there. Miguel Cairo, even if he could play defense there, and he can't, shouldn't be the answer to any question other than who should the Reds release from their roster right now. Wilson Valdez has no starting abilities at all.

Agree with this.

OesterPoster
08-01-2012, 08:53 AM
If Phillips is going to miss 5 days or more, just DL him and call up Didi or HRod for 2 weeks and a day. Todd Frazier is not a second baseman. He was brutally bad there when he last played there. Miguel Cairo, even if he could play defense there, and he can't, shouldn't be the answer to any question other than who should the Reds release from their roster right now. Wilson Valdez has no starting abilities at all.

Man, first thing I've agreed with Doug on in about a week. What's the world coming to?

dougdirt
08-01-2012, 09:00 AM
Man, first thing I've agreed with Doug on in about a week. What's the world coming to?

I don't know, but I am really confused as to why you were rooting against the Reds for about the last week or so.

redsmetz
08-01-2012, 09:07 AM
No, if BP goes on the DL, I think the Reds will use this as an opportunity to add a LH bat to the roster, which means Henry Rodriguez or Didi Gregorius. (Willie Harris could be an outside possibility, but he would have to be added to the 40-man, and I think the Reds like having that 40th spot open right now in case of a possible waiver claim like Overbay.)

I don't think the Reds have an open slot. I wondered that yesterday when we got Broxton; counted them out and it was at 40 - hence the DFA of Brackman.

Edd Roush
08-01-2012, 09:34 AM
No, if BP goes on the DL, I think the Reds will use this as an opportunity to add a LH bat to the roster, which means Henry Rodriguez or Didi Gregorius. (Willie Harris could be an outside possibility, but he would have to be added to the 40-man, and I think the Reds like having that 40th spot open right now in case of a possible waiver claim like Overbay.)

I can't believe how bad Willie Harris has been this year. I thought it was small sample size, but he has a decent sample size in AAA now and he has not been impressive at all. I wish the Reds would just DFA Cairo now and call up HRod. I am ready to see what he could do vs. big league pitching. I bet he plays better D at every position except first base and he hits better in the bigs.

We all know this will not happen because Dusty and Walt are trying to accumulate players with playoff experience and Cairo has that, and pretty much only that, over HRod.

Big Klu
08-01-2012, 10:21 AM
I don't think the Reds have an open slot. I wondered that yesterday when we got Broxton; counted them out and it was at 40 - hence the DFA of Brackman.

You're right. Somehow I miscounted. Well, that makes it even easier to scratch Harris from the list of potential call-ups.

They used to have an open slot, but they filled it when they called up Xavier Paul.

cincrazy
08-01-2012, 10:22 AM
If Phillips is going to miss 5 days or more, just DL him and call up Didi or HRod for 2 weeks and a day. Todd Frazier is not a second baseman. He was brutally bad there when he last played there. Miguel Cairo, even if he could play defense there, and he can't, shouldn't be the answer to any question other than who should the Reds release from their roster right now. Wilson Valdez has no starting abilities at all.


Doug do you think Didi or HRod is ready for primetime? I don't know much about either, do you think they could play adequate defense, and more importantly contribute with the stick?

smith288
08-01-2012, 10:31 AM
I can't believe how bad Willie Harris has been this year. I thought it was small sample size, but he has a decent sample size in AAA now and he has not been impressive at all. I wish the Reds would just DFA Cairo now and call up HRod. I am ready to see what he could do vs. big league pitching. I bet he plays better D at every position except first base and he hits better in the bigs.

We all know this will not happen because Dusty and Walt are trying to accumulate players with playoff experience and Cairo has that, and pretty much only that, over HRod.
Cairo has a ton of regular season experience too... And he's been bad. What makes Dusty think a playoff run would make him magically better? /rhetorical

hebroncougar
08-01-2012, 10:33 AM
Doug do you think Didi or HRod is ready for primetime? I don't know much about either, do you think they could play adequate defense, and more importantly contribute with the stick?

Here's my take. They can't be worse than Cairo. They are both on the 40 according to milb.com/. You can't go over the next week playing Cairo on a daily basis. It's time Walt. DFA him, and get one of these guys up here. Heck, phantom DL Cairo if you like him that much, and bring him back on 9/1 when rosters expand, but you have got to get one of these guys up here. And if Heisey wants to make himself even more useful, he shows up with a first basemen's mitt.

redsfan30
08-01-2012, 10:35 AM
I know playing a man short on the 25 man is not a good idea generally but I think in this case you have to give Phillips today and tomorrow off to try and get right for the Pittsburgh series. Come Friday afternoon if he is still not ready to go then you DL him retroactively.

DGullett35
08-01-2012, 10:36 AM
DFA Cairo even though im a fan of his its time, and sign Overbay and let him man first for some games. Votto should be back soon. I like Paul but I really think Overbay could bring something to this team. either him or work out a deal for Russel Branyan. We need a power LH bat to come off the bench late in games.

DGullett35
08-01-2012, 10:36 AM
I know playing a man short on the 25 man is not a good idea generally but I think in this case you have to give Phillips today and tomorrow off to try and get right for the Pittsburgh series. Come Friday afternoon if he is still not ready to go then you DL him retroactively.

This

cincrazy
08-01-2012, 10:42 AM
Oh I totally agree, Cairo has to go and a young pup needs to come up. I'm just curious if they have what it takes.

dfs
08-01-2012, 10:50 AM
If they went on a 10 game winning streak without Votto imagine what they'd do without Phillips and Votto

That's great.

Look out world.

REDREAD
08-01-2012, 10:59 AM
If Phillips is going to miss 5 days or more, just DL him and call up Didi or HRod for 2 weeks and a day. Todd Frazier is not a second baseman. He was brutally bad there when he last played there. Miguel Cairo, even if he could play defense there, and he can't, shouldn't be the answer to any question other than who should the Reds release from their roster right now. Wilson Valdez has no starting abilities at all.

Disagree. If Phillips is only out 5 days,
I'd rather just suffer with Valdez starting for 5 days than to lose Phillips for 10 extra days.

Didi and HRod aren't likely to hit that much better than Valdez.
Valdez is adequate defensively.
The team needs Phillips back ASAP. The prudent thing is to play with a short roster for a few days (no DL) and see if Phillips recovers.

PuffyPig
08-01-2012, 11:08 AM
DFA Cairo even though im a fan of his its time, and sign Overbay and let him man first for some games. Votto should be back soon.

Unless I missed soimetohng, Overbay is still the property of Arizona, and has to pass through waivers to be either traded or released.

Plus it would take Frazier's bat out of the lineup.

LawFive
08-01-2012, 11:12 AM
Can't afford to play a man down, remember that Mes is likely to be suspended for a few games so they will already be down to 24 by rule. . Reds are going to need to find 2 spots as they will not go without a 2nd catcher.

chicoruiz
08-01-2012, 11:20 AM
Can't afford to play a man down, remember that Mes is likely to be suspended for a few games so they will already be down to 24 by rule. . Reds are going to need to find 2 spots as they will not go without a 2nd catcher.

Mes can always appeal his suspension as a foot-drag until Phillips's situation is clarified...

RedsfaninMT
08-01-2012, 11:48 AM
Seems to me that Jordan Smith is dead weight on the 40-man. And though he was called up earlier, I don't see the loss of Negron as too significant either.

If BP goes to the DL, that clears room for one player to be brought up. Cutting Smith/Cairo/Negron gives the flexibility needed for an extra catcher when Mes is suspended for 3 games.

REDREAD
08-01-2012, 11:51 AM
Can't afford to play a man down, remember that Mes is likely to be suspended for a few games so they will already be down to 24 by rule. . Reds are going to need to find 2 spots as they will not go without a 2nd catcher.

I don't think Mes is going to get suspended. The ump initiated the contact.

dougdirt
08-01-2012, 11:53 AM
Doug do you think Didi or HRod is ready for primetime? I don't know much about either, do you think they could play adequate defense, and more importantly contribute with the stick?

Didi could play adequate defense at second base with his throwing arm tied behind his back. Offensively, they aren't likely to hit any worse than Valdez or Cairo.

Big Klu
08-01-2012, 11:55 AM
Seems to me that Jordan Smith is dead weight on the 40-man. And though he was called up earlier, I don't see the loss of Negron as too significant either.

If BP goes to the DL, that clears room for one player to be brought up. Cutting Smith/Cairo/Negron gives the flexibility needed for an extra catcher when Mes is suspended for 3 games.

Costanzo, Valaika, and Phipps are also placeholders on the 40-man roster.

traderumor
08-01-2012, 12:22 PM
I imagine this is today and tomorrow off, see how he feels Friday. I'd agree with Doug here, if its DL, with our current options, I wouldn't mind seeing one of the young guys get a chance to fill in. Valdez has been good in spot starts lately after a slow start, but absorbing his bat for two weeks in the pennant race? I might be on board with giving a young guy a shot there.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-01-2012, 12:49 PM
If Mesoraco is suspended and BP goes on DL:

Replacing BP
Option 1: HRod called up to play 2B.
Option 2: Valaika called up to play 2B.
Option 3: Harris added back to 40 and called up to play 2B. Someone then has to be dropped from 40 (Cairo, Costanzo, Negron, J. Smith).

Replacing Mesoraco
-Cairo DFA’d to make room on 25 & 40 for Dioner Navarro.

Sea Ray
08-01-2012, 12:51 PM
If Mesoraco is suspended and BP goes on DL:

Replacing BP
Option 1: HRod called up to play 2B.
Option 2: Valaika called up to play 2B.
Option 3: Harris added back to 40 and called up to play 2B. Someone then has to be dropped from 40 (Cairo, Costanzo, Negron, J. Smith).

Replacing Mesoraco
-Cairo DFA’d to make room on 25 & 40 for Dioner Navarro.

I doubt they'll DFA someone on the 25 man roster to make room for a guy who'll only be needed for 2 or three days

traderumor
08-01-2012, 01:11 PM
I doubt they'll DFA someone on the 25 man roster to make room for a guy who'll only be needed for 2 or three daysIt might make sense if its timed within the timeframe of Votto's expected return. I can't imagine them keeping Cairo at this stage and they are in quite a pickle if/when Mes is suspended. They're going to have to send out someone for a second catcher during that time.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-01-2012, 01:13 PM
If Mesoraco is suspended and BP goes on DL:

Replacing BP
Option 1: HRod called up to play 2B.
Option 2: Valaika called up to play 2B.
Option 3: Harris added back to 40 and called up to play 2B. Someone then has to be dropped from 40 (Cairo, Costanzo, Negron, J. Smith).

Replacing Mesoraco
-Cairo DFA’d to make room on 25 & 40 for Dioner Navarro.

No way will they DFA Cairo, as much as it's warranted. They are loyal to their veterans to a fault and it almost takes an act of Congress to give these underperforming guys the boot. You'll see XP and his .550 batting average out of here way before you'll see Cairo gone.

They may come up with a phantom DL stint until Sept. 1, but there's just no way they'll DFA him.

reds44
08-01-2012, 01:13 PM
If Phillips is only out 5 days, there's no way I DL him. He's too important, especially without Votto, to just burn 10 days in a pennant race. As others have said, either DFA Cairo or put him on the DL with the dreaded case of bad and go H-Rod or Didi up here.

Also, calling up Navarro isn't as simple as it seems while Mes is suspended. I highly doubt he would make it through waivers, so when you call him up he has to be up for the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if Corky gets called up for the few days and they hold onto Navarro until September.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-01-2012, 01:15 PM
What's the timetable on Votto? John Fay (yea, I know) has been saying all along that he thinks Votto will play in the Pirates series, but that's not looking at all likely. And today, ESPN said that Votto will be out at least another two weeks.

Joey picked up a bat yesterday but didn't take any swings.

lidspinner
08-01-2012, 01:15 PM
I think you have to bring either Didi or HRod up....Didi for his defense, i could care less if he bats Stubbs like as long as he brings his defense to 2nd and holds the fort down till BP gets back....plus gives him a taste of the big league and gets his feet wet...might waste an option but hey, he is close anyways......I am not real sure on the rules on his "clock" as far as his time on the big league club goes but I would not worry about that for a second....

HRod....he is my 2nd option....for this reason only, he is killing the ball right now....my father watches every single minor league game via the net that he can possible watch....I call him Mr.DougDirt Senior.....He will have his desktop and laptop on a game and his ipad looking around on the web at minor league stats and such....guy should be a scout.....but he says that HRod is hitting BB's for outs and he is actually getting some good hits right now against some decent pitchers.....Bring him up and lose a tad bit of glove but we might gain a good bit of stick comapred to didi.......

one of these 2 options should happen regardless if BP goes on the DL or not....find a spot for one of them and bring them up for a few weeks to give BP the rest he needs....even if its a late inning rest.....BP needs time to heal, even if he does not get DL'd.....one of those 2 need to spend the next2-4 weeks supplementing Brandon on a every other day basis for at least a few innings and day games....simple as that...we are fighting for more than just a playoff spot here folks, you have to play it safe when your aiming for the highest goal of them all.....


I have a small disclaimer about calf injuries.....i injured my calf playing softball about 6-7 years ago....I pulled the muscle.....it was brutal for about a week....I had brusing and swelling from a pulled muscle.....once that week passed, I had days where I could go almost 100% and not notice a thing, then I had days where I could not go 50% without almost crying in pain....I was drinking beer before games and eating whopper deluxes for snacks.....so I am sure if its only a pulled calf, with BP's diet and training, I am sure he will be ok within a few days, but I am also sure that he will need days off when he tweaks it.....you can almost run flat footed and not bother it to much, but that can only be done as needed and not on a daily basis.....I am sure he will be able to pinch hit soon and be lifted for a PR if he gets on.....but one of the 2 aforementioned players need to be brought up today.

reds44
08-01-2012, 01:16 PM
What's the timetable on Votto? John Fay (yea, I know) has been saying all along that he thinks Votto will play in the Pirates series, but that's not looking at all likely. And today, ESPN said that Votto will be out at least another two weeks.

Joey picked up a bat yesterday but didn't take any swings.
His knee isn't pain free and he hasn't swung a bat yet. He did say he'll only need a couple days after taking BP to be ready, though. The earliest he'll be back is in Milwaukee, my guess is he'll come back in Chicago or maybe the series after.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Also, calling up Navarro isn't as simple as it seems while Mes is suspended. I highly doubt he would make it through waivers, so when you call him up he has to be up for the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if Corky gets called up for the few days and they hold onto Navarro until September.

Good point.

Does anyone know if Paul has to go through waivers if he's ever sent down?

BuckeyeRedleg
08-01-2012, 01:21 PM
I think you have to bring either Didi or HRod up....Didi for his defense, i could care less if he bats Stubbs like as long as he brings his defense to 2nd and holds the fort down till BP gets back....plus gives him a taste of the big league and gets his feet wet...might waste an option but hey, he is close anyways......I am not real sure on the rules on his "clock" as far as his time on the big league club goes but I would not worry about that for a second....

HRod....he is my 2nd option....for this reason only, he is killing the ball right now....my father watches every single minor league game via the net that he can possible watch....I call him Mr.DougDirt Senior.....He will have his desktop and laptop on a game and his ipad looking around on the web at minor league stats and such....guy should be a scout.....but he says that HRod is hitting BB's for outs and he is actually getting some good hits right now against some decent pitchers.....Bring him up and lose a tad bit of glove but we might gain a good bit of stick comapred to didi.......

one of these 2 options should happen regardless if BP goes on the DL or not....find a spot for one of them and bring them up for a few weeks to give BP the rest he needs....even if its a late inning rest.....BP needs time to heal, even if he does not get DL'd.....one of those 2 need to spend the next2-4 weeks supplementing Brandon on a every other day basis for at least a few innings and day games....simple as that...we are fighting for more than just a playoff spot here folks, you have to play it safe when your aiming for the highest goal of them all.....


I have a small disclaimer about calf injuries.....i injured my calf playing softball about 6-7 years ago....I pulled the muscle.....it was brutal for about a week....I had brusing and swelling from a pulled muscle.....once that week passed, I had days where I could go almost 100% and not notice a thing, then I had days where I could not go 50% without almost crying in pain....I was drinking beer before games and eating whopper deluxes for snacks.....so I am sure if its only a pulled calf, with BP's diet and training, I am sure he will be ok within a few days, but I am also sure that he will need days off when he tweaks it.....you can almost run flat footed and not bother it to much, but that can only be done as needed and not on a daily basis.....I am sure he will be able to pinch hit soon and be lifted for a PR if he gets on.....but one of the 2 aforementioned players need to be brought up today.

Great post. Good stuff.

batsfan
08-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Negron could be placed on the 60-day DL, he is not playing again this season. That would make room for Navarro or Corky.

LoganBuck
08-01-2012, 01:34 PM
Seems to me that Jordan Smith is dead weight on the 40-man. And though he was called up earlier, I don't see the loss of Negron as too significant either.

If BP goes to the DL, that clears room for one player to be brought up. Cutting Smith/Cairo/Negron gives the flexibility needed for an extra catcher when Mes is suspended for 3 games.

Negron is injured though. The rules for guys like him are different. The Reds don't want to put him on the 60 Day DL until Aug 31 when they need the spot for the playoffs. Otherwise they have to pay him the Major League minimum to sit at home and eat Doritos. My guess, is that he is a valuable square in the sliding picture puzzle of the playoff roster.

reds44
08-01-2012, 01:37 PM
Negron is injured though. The rules for guys like him are different. The Reds don't want to put him on the 60 Day DL until Aug 31 when they need the spot for the playoffs. Otherwise they have to pay him the Major League minimum to sit at home and eat Doritos. My guess, is that he is a valuable square in the sliding picture puzzle of the playoff roster.
What are the rules with the 60 day DL and playoff roster? Does it give the Reds room to call a guy up for the playoffs if you put somebody on the 60 day DL in September?

BuckeyeRedleg
08-01-2012, 01:48 PM
Negron is injured though. The rules for guys like him are different. The Reds don't want to put him on the 60 Day DL until Aug 31 when they need the spot for the playoffs. Otherwise they have to pay him the Major League minimum to sit at home and eat Doritos. My guess, is that he is a valuable square in the sliding picture puzzle of the playoff roster.

What is the minimum? $420,000? So putting him on the 60-day now as opposed to Aug 31 would be $70,000 of pro-rated pay for that one month, right?

I would doubt that $70,000 would stand in the way of making roster management that much easier for everyone involved. Sure, he doesn't need to be moved to the 60-day until he has to be moved, but I don't think that should or would hold them back.

LoganBuck
08-01-2012, 01:53 PM
He can be placed on the 60 Day DL on or before Aug 31 if the Reds need to open a spot on the 40 man for a player not on the 40 man roster(ex. Billy Hamilton) to be eligible for the postseason should the team need to bring him up. This added player must be placed on the 40 man roster before September 1 to be eligible for the playoffs. Should extreme attrition occur, and no remaining players on the 40 man roster are healthy enough to pitch, the team may add a player not on the 40 man, but who must have been within the organization on Aug 31(ex. Robert Stephenson)

LoganBuck
08-01-2012, 02:00 PM
What is the minimum? $420,000? So putting him on the 60-day now as opposed to Aug 31 would be $70,000 of pro-rated pay for that one month, right?

I would doubt that $70,000 would stand in the way of making roster management that much easier for everyone involved. Sure, he doesn't need to be moved to the 60-day until he has to be moved, but I don't think that should or would hold them back.

And what happened under the current regime back in 2010 during the aftermath of the brawl, along with injuries to players like Edmonds, Bruce, and Heisey? Remember how ridiculously thin the outfield got? Jose Arredondo was occupying a spot on the 40 man, but was on the AAA disabled list. I need to go digging on the dates but this was part of the playoff roster maneuver

_Sir_Charles_
08-01-2012, 02:17 PM
It will be Valdez at 2B or Frazier at 2B with Cairo at 1st :(

If they call anyone up, I bet it is someone like a Henry Rodriguez. He is flat out hitting the ball in L-Ville.

I'd be surprised if they put Frazier there. Odds are it'll be Rolen, Cozart, Valdez and Frazier. If/when Rolen needs a day, Frazier at third, Cairo at 1st.

REDREAD
08-01-2012, 02:23 PM
What's the timetable on Votto? John Fay (yea, I know) has been saying all along that he thinks Votto will play in the Pirates series, but that's not looking at all likely. And today, ESPN said that Votto will be out at least another two weeks.

Joey picked up a bat yesterday but didn't take any swings.

They interviewed Joey on the TV yesterday.
He didn't say anything firm, but from the tone of the conversation, I think Friday is a longshot.

They showed a clip of him "running" (more like a fast walk), and he's clearly in some pain when he does it. His legs were not moving in a smooth painfree motion.

_Sir_Charles_
08-01-2012, 02:28 PM
I don't think Mes is going to get suspended. The ump initiated the contact.

That first time...maybe. The second time, nope. He'll get suspended without a doubt IMO.

reds44
08-01-2012, 02:30 PM
Yeah people are either forgetting or ignoring the second time he did it. There's no doubt he's going to be and should be suspended.

The Voice of IH
08-01-2012, 02:54 PM
That first time...maybe. The second time, nope. He'll get suspended without a doubt IMO.

I'm not sure there was a second time. The first was obviously inadvertent. But the second time Fairchild jumped back like he was hit with a cannon ball, however I am not sure that any real contact was made. You can't really tell by the FSO feed.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23471351&c_id=mlb

Kc61
08-01-2012, 03:01 PM
If Mes is suspended and BP goes on the DL, there really is no roster problem. Use BP's spot for a AAA catcher while Mes is out. Then, use BP's remaining DL time (with Mes back) to supplement the bench with a different player, whether it be Gregorius, Rodriguez, Valaika, whomever they decide.

The real problem is if Mes is suspended and BP ISN"T DL'd.

Then you have a four man bench (due to the suspension) AND a position player, BP, sitting in the dugout unable to play.

Your bench in that case is four guys - including a AAA catcher brought up to back up Hanigan.

So you have a scenario with Phillips sitting, a AAA backup catcher, and remaining bench players of Valdez, Heisey, and Cairo. I'm assuming Paul would go down. (I guess you could assume Paul stays instead of Cairo.)

I hope BP doesn't have to go on the DL. If he doesn't, though, and the suspension is simultaneous, the Reds will be very short handed while BP is sitting. In fact, they may consider 11 pitchers for a week to allow that extra bench player. Or they just may appeal the suspension until the club is at fuller strength.

_Sir_Charles_
08-01-2012, 03:03 PM
I'm not sure there was a second time. The first was obviously inadvertent. But the second time Fairchild jumped back like he was hit with a cannon ball, however I am not sure that any real contact was made. You can't really tell by the FSO feed.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23471351&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23471351&c_id=mlb)

yeah, that camera angle doesn't show it very well. I can't find it right now, but there was definitely a different angle that clearly showed the shove when Dusty was trying to hold him back. No doubt about it at all.

The Voice of IH
08-01-2012, 03:04 PM
yeah, that camera angle doesn't show it very well. I can't find it right now, but there was definitely a different angle that clearly showed the shove when Dusty was trying to hold him back. No doubt about it at all.

Alright

reds44
08-01-2012, 03:04 PM
If Mes is suspended and BP goes on the DL, there really is no roster problem. Use BP's spot for a AAA catcher while Mes is out. Then, use BP's remaining DL time (with Mes back) to supplement the bench with another player, whether it be Gregorius, Rodriguez, Valaika, whomever they decide.

The real problem is if Mes is suspended and BP ISN"T DL'd.

Then you have a four man bench (due to the suspension) AND a position player, BP, sitting in the dugout unable to play.

Your bench in that case is four guys - including a AAA catcher brought up to back up Hanigan.

So you have a scenario with Phillips sitting, a AAA backup catcher, and remaining bench players of Valdez, Heisey, and Cairo. I'm assuming Paul would go down. (I guess you could assume Paul stays instead of Cairo.)

I hope BP doesn't have to go on the DL. If he does, though, and the suspension is simultaneous, the Reds will be very short handed. In fact, they may consider 11 pitchers for a week to allow that extra bench player. Or they just may appeal the suspension until the club is at fuller strength.
Your bench is actually smaller than that because Valdez will be palying 2nd. All the bench would be is Heisey, Cairo (or hopefully Paul), and a AAA catcher.

Kc61
08-01-2012, 03:06 PM
Your bench is actually smaller than that because Valdez will be palying 2nd. All the bench would be is Heisey, Cairo (or hopefully Paul), and a AAA catcher.

Very good point, thanks.

My post is also incorrect in the last paragraph - the roster problem is more acute if Phillips DOESN'T go on the DL. I will edit.

wally post
08-01-2012, 04:31 PM
Your bench is actually smaller than that because Valdez will be palying 2nd. All the bench would be is Heisey, Cairo (or hopefully Paul), and a AAA catcher.

Yep. Brandon has had various issues with his legs for a long time now. It would hurt in one way to DL him but if we are in September and he is nursing his wheels? I vote for the DL.

CySeymour
08-01-2012, 04:44 PM
Yep. Brandon has had various issues with his legs for a long time now. It would hurt in one way to DL him but if we are in September and he is nursing his wheels? I vote for the DL.

Agreed. If you let him play and he tears it instead, then he is gone for the playoffs.

REDREAD
08-01-2012, 04:49 PM
I'm not sure there was a second time. The first was obviously inadvertent. But the second time Fairchild jumped back like he was hit with a cannon ball, however I am not sure that any real contact was made. You can't really tell by the FSO feed.


Maybe I am wrong, but I watched the replay several times. Fairchild was acting to "punish" Mes and to prove he's the authority figure. Pretty childish of Fairchild to walk up to Mes and escalate it.
But I see Mes did get suspended.. Oh well, at least Mes was scheduled to sit the next 3 games anyhow, so no harm as long as Hannigan stays healthy.

Anyhow, even Brantley said it was Fairchild that initiated all the contact.

mbgrayson
08-01-2012, 05:47 PM
From Brandon's twitter feed:

Brandon Phillips‏@DatDudeBP
FALSE!!! Whoever told you that can #SuckItEasy RT @majorsbpm: @DatDudeBP #askdatdude ... Heard u hitting DL. True ????

Sea Ray
08-02-2012, 09:58 AM
From Brandon's twitter feed:

He won't like it but he needs to be DL'd to save him from himself

MikeS21
08-02-2012, 10:24 AM
Brandon Phillips‏@DatDudeBP
FALSE!!! Whoever told you that can #SuckItEasy RT @majorsbpm: @DatDudeBP #askdatdude ... Heard u hitting DL. True ????
Any confusion is from BP himself. He was the one who said he was going t "out" for a while. So, he may have only meant being "out" three or four games - not three or four weeks.

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2012, 10:37 AM
Any confusion is from BP himself. He was the one who said he was going t "out" for a while. So, he may have only meant being "out" three or four games - not three or four weeks.

Exactly. You get on national TV too and tell us about it. Maybe he is auditioning for a reality TV show.

fearofpopvol1
08-02-2012, 05:29 PM
Exactly. You get on national TV too and tell us about it. Maybe he is auditioning for a reality TV show.

Will Phillips be back for the season this weekend?

Tony Cloninger
08-03-2012, 03:08 AM
Will Phillips be back for the season this weekend?

Stay tuned and find out?

mdccclxix
08-03-2012, 06:48 PM
Great news, Phillips back by tomorrow!

fearofpopvol1
08-03-2012, 10:47 PM
Stay tuned and find out?

Ha, oops. I didn't meant to type my question in response to your post. :laugh:

edabbs44
08-03-2012, 10:55 PM
Great news, Phillips back by tomorrow!

They won tonight. Sit him again.