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Griffey012
08-02-2012, 08:45 PM
Can anyone guess these players who manned SS for the Reds:

Player A: .242/.288/.394 11HRs, 22RBIs, UZR of 3.9, WAR of 1.7 (partial season)

Player B: .263/.303/.354 4HRs, 42RBIs, UZR of 3.7, WAR of 1.4 (full season)

Yes, player A is Zack Cozart. I will leave player B up to you all. But for the sake of discussion I thought it was a good comparison due to (correct me if I am wrong) what was perceived around here to be a huge hole we had at SS under player B, while under Cozart I believe it is felt among most that we are fine and he will be our SS for the foreseeable future.

I really wanted to open this up to get your opinions on Cozarts performance this season, how it compared to expectations, how you think he will do moving forward.

I for one am happy with Cozart at short, a little disappointed in his season to date performance because I had higher expectations, nonetheless I think he can and will improve.

Redsfan320
08-02-2012, 08:50 PM
My second guess on Player B was correct (I guessed Janish first, though I didn't really think it was him). I, for one, had no problem with B, and thought he was a decent stop-gap.

320

Tom Servo
08-02-2012, 09:08 PM
I guessed Renteria and Gonzalez before O-Cab. I'm mostly shocked at how good A-Gon's 2007 was, I remembered it being good but man, imagine if we had that kind of production today.

As far as Cozart goes, I really think his stats are effected tremendously by being miscast as the leadoff hitter. He just shouldn't be the guy to get the most at-bats on your team.

Vottomatic
08-02-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm a big Cozart fan. But Didi's recent surge at Louisville has opened my eyes toward him too.

You can never have too many good SS's.

I was kinda hoping they'd bring Didi or H-Rod up while BP went on the DL. Guess it won't happen.

Spitball
08-03-2012, 12:31 AM
Didi Gregorius is the best name since Babe Ruth.

Superdude
08-03-2012, 12:34 AM
Didi Gregorius is the best name since Babe Ruth.

I prefer Mariekson Julius Gregorius personally. Very dignified and stately.

Spitball
08-03-2012, 12:59 AM
I prefer Mariekson Julius Gregorius personally. Very dignified and stately.

That is very dignified and stately. My favorite is name is still Wonderful Terrific Monds who was in the Cincinnati system in the late 1990s.

OldRightHander
08-03-2012, 01:03 AM
Who can forget Motorboat Jones?

WVRedsFan
08-03-2012, 01:09 AM
Who can forget Motorboat Jones?

Me.

Big Klu
08-03-2012, 01:29 AM
Who can forget Motorboat Jones?

His wife called him The Love Boat.

reds44
08-03-2012, 02:00 AM
Cozart just looks so much better when he's not leading off.

Griffey012
08-03-2012, 07:40 AM
Cozart just looks so much better when he's not leading off.

Batting 1st 319 ABs, .213/.256/.357/.613
Batting 2nd 70 ABs, .357/.416/.571/.987

Your eyes are not deceiving you, thats for sure.

dougdirt
08-03-2012, 07:46 AM
Batting 1st 319 ABs, .213/.256/.357/.613
Batting 2nd 70 ABs, .357/.416/.571/.987

Your eyes are not deceiving you, thats for sure.

Maybe not, but small-sample-size needs to apply big time to a 70 at bat sample that has been split up even within that small sample. I think Cozart is probably a .700-.750 OPS true talent guy.

In the #1 spot, his BABIP is .236.
In the #2 spot, his BABIP is .442.

There is a lot of 'luck' going on in that #2 spot.

Dan
08-03-2012, 08:10 AM
Maybe not, but small-sample-size needs to apply big time to a 70 at bat sample that has been split up even within that small sample. I think Cozart is probably a .700-.750 OPS true talent guy.

In the #1 spot, his BABIP is .236.
In the #2 spot, his BABIP is .442.

There is a lot of 'luck' going on in that #2 spot.

I'd imagine batting right before Votto would lend itself to that.

Vottomatic
08-03-2012, 08:12 AM
That is very dignified and stately. My favorite is name is still Wonderful Terrific Monds who was in the Cincinnati system in the late 1990s.

Wirfin Obispo

dougdirt
08-03-2012, 08:22 AM
I'd imagine batting right before Votto would lend itself to that.

Yes and no. I am sure that Votto probably helps guys get a few extra 'fat' pitches, but that means a .300 BABIP might go up to .350 over that time frame.

Slyder
08-03-2012, 08:32 AM
Who can forget Motorboat Jones?

My favorite name of a Reds' minor leaguer in my childhood was Rafael Bustamonte for how it just rolled off your tongue. Made Paul Janish look like Todd Frazier with the bat but I didn't care I just loved the name.

medford
08-03-2012, 09:35 AM
Toe Nash, a name (and story) I'll never forget