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Redsfansince72
08-09-2012, 02:20 AM
Just saw Machado is being called up. He is only 20, so why not the Reds call up Hamilton to spark this team at the top of the order? I wish Walt would have moved him to CF to send a message earlier in the year to Stubbs..I still feel thats his future spot. Cozart has played very good Defense at SS and I dont see him moved from there.

Baltimore is calling him up to help their pennant run. Like to see Hamilton here to help this team..

Hamilton has had a way better minor league career than Machado!

BluegrassRedleg
08-09-2012, 02:45 AM
Personally, I don't feel like Billy Hamilton can offer this club anything besides pinch-running ability at this point, and that's not a big enough reason to take him away from everyday ABs in the minors.

craftylefty
08-09-2012, 03:06 AM
Personally, I don't feel like Billy Hamilton can offer this club anything besides pinch-running ability at this point, and that's not a big enough reason to take him away from everyday ABs in the minors.

agreed

craftylefty
08-09-2012, 03:12 AM
but if they did call billy up his minor league season would already be over so he wouldnt be missing at bats

JayBruceFan
08-09-2012, 04:50 AM
Hamilton won't get called up because Machado and Hamilton are 2 completely different players

Example:

Machado is a legit SS and has gotten A-Rod comps whereas Hamilton may not stick at SS and some have questioned to hit at higher levels

Jamz
08-09-2012, 07:43 AM
Hamilton won't get called up because Machado and Hamilton are 2 completely different players

Example:

Machado is a legit SS and has gotten A-Rod comps whereas Hamilton may not stick at SS and some have questioned to hit at higher levels

...and yet Billy Hamilton has outperformed Machado to date at most levels.

Not to say that B-Ham is a better prospect, or that he should be called up, but making a lop-sided comparison like that isn't really fair to what Billy has shown in his short time as a pro.

Larkin88
08-09-2012, 07:59 AM
Machado is a legit SS and has gotten A-Rod comps whereas Hamilton may not stick at SS



Not to say that B-Ham is a better prospect, or that he should be called up, but making a lop-sided comparison like that isn't really fair to what Billy has shown in his short time as a pro.

I'm a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B here. I think Billy is, all things considered, as fine an offensive prospect as there really is with the obvious exceptions of the uber guys.

But I think there might be something to be said about the positional considerations as well. I think a lot of Reds fans at this point assume that he might be ultimately converted to the outfield, but it's tough to waste a roster spot on someone who hasn't adjusted to their final defensive position at an MLB level.

At the very least until rosters expand to allow for a strictly pinch runner, anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't end up forcing it even then, but would be surprised to see it happen before then.

jback76
08-09-2012, 08:05 AM
As much as I like Billy Hamilton he's not ready to help make any difference to this Reds club. Maybe if we were 15 back in Sep. They also need to figure out where he's going to play. He'd be a nice novelty act at this point.

The_Mudshark
08-09-2012, 08:12 AM
why not the Reds call up Hamilton to spark this team at the top of the order?

Because 'Billy Mays Hayes' is not ready to hit at the major league level yet. He is a playoff pinch runner at this point if anything. I'd love to see him in the big show, but I'm not sure how much of a 'spark' you will get from him if you call him up to lead off the batting order.

BungleBengals
08-09-2012, 09:31 AM
I think the Reds need to DL Cairo come August 30th or 31st. That way we can call up B-Ham and have him available for the postseason.

His offense should be seen as invaluable, especially in a tight game. Imagine come bottom of the 8th or 9th and Rolen gets walked. Why not pinch run Hamilton who could easily get in scoring position and can round the bases pretty quickly (his inside the park HR was clocked at 13.6 seconds).

He could also spot start for Stubbs/Ludwick in the OF and Cozart/Phillips in the IF in September if we can clinch a postseason spot and give those guys some rest. Also, I know it is the minors, but he is batting right around .300 and is a switch hitter, which Dusty loves to play "handed" matchups.

But in regards to bring him up now, I do not think it is the time. I know a lot of prospects want to make it to the majors, but I think it can already be assumed that he will be up here at least by next year, if not September. Calling him up now could hurt his chances at getting the SB record which I have read that he really wants to break. Let him break it, then call him up.

19braves77
08-09-2012, 09:51 AM
Lot of chatter going around that the Orioles are calling Machado to make fans forget how they did nothing at the trade deadline to help themselves. Its a PR move.

I dont see him being more useful then D.J.

Krawhitham
08-09-2012, 11:26 AM
Personally, I don't feel like Billy Hamilton can offer this club anything besides pinch-running ability at this point, and that's not a big enough reason to take him away from everyday ABs in the minors.


So far the Reds have lost 17 one run games

Being able to steal a base a will late in games will win you 5-8 games

Seems worth it to me

Girevik
08-09-2012, 12:14 PM
I think maybe they should consider it once the minor league season is over, but from what I hear he's got a long way to go as a hitter. It doesn't do the Reds any good long term to take regular AB's away from him so he can pinch run twice a week in the bigs.

Maker_84
08-09-2012, 01:46 PM
I dont think Hamilton is ready to hit big league pitching yet

Hillsdale87
08-09-2012, 02:53 PM
No reason to do this now. He's not going to be better than Cozart for the rest of the year. He could help as a pinch runner, but I'd much rather have him continue to get regular at bats. From what I've heard, he's making huge improvements, but still has a ways to go as a hitter.

Mr.Redleg82
08-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Can we please not call him B-Ham

Redsfansince72
08-09-2012, 05:30 PM
No reason to do this now. He's not going to be better than Cozart for the rest of the year. He could help as a pinch runner, but I'd much rather have him continue to get regular at bats. From what I've heard, he's making huge improvements, but still has a ways to go as a hitter.

So if he is hitting around.300 and has to walk as well to be able to steal 200+ bases in the past two seasons, how is he not ready to play much less he Finds 1st base!!? but Stubbs the fastest MLB player on the Reds who K's more than 200 times in 2 seasons is more able to hit than Hamilton? ? and cant get on base with alot of consistency??

swartz
08-09-2012, 05:34 PM
I am not saying he is ready either or that's a good idea to bring him to give him playing time sparingly but let's not kid ourselves...our bench is bad...real bad.

Tuff Nut
08-09-2012, 05:55 PM
So if he is hitting around.300 and has to walk as well to be able to steal 200+ bases in the past two seasons, how is he not ready to play much less he Finds 1st base!!? but Stubbs the fastest MLB player on the Reds who K's more than 200 times in 2 seasons is more able to hit than Hamilton? ? and cant get on base with alot of consistency??
I'm a big Billy fan, but IF he is called up this season, it will be AFTER the AA season, and his biggest impact will be as a PR. Dusty is NOT going to give him, or any other MiLer, PT over the likes of his veterans. Never has....never will(I suppose, IF TOLD to, or ELSE.....he might)

Phoenix2
08-09-2012, 08:09 PM
I can't see why he wouldn't be called up when rosters expand. Great threat off the bench to run the bases.

AintlifeGrande
08-09-2012, 10:43 PM
No way I would want to start the arb clock on a kid to just pinch hit.

Ironman92
08-10-2012, 09:34 PM
Uh....2 HR and 4 RBI so far tonight

Hillsdale87
08-10-2012, 09:44 PM
So if he is hitting around.300 and has to walk as well to be able to steal 200+ bases in the past two seasons, how is he not ready to play much less he Finds 1st base!!? but Stubbs the fastest MLB player on the Reds who K's more than 200 times in 2 seasons is more able to hit than Hamilton? ? and cant get on base with alot of consistency??

Hamilton is not a center fielder right now. He could be someday, but he's never played there. The Reds aren't going to test him in the outfield during a playoff run. Hamilton doesn't have a position to play regularly. And batting .300 in A+ is much different from doing that in the majors.

EMAW
08-10-2012, 10:48 PM
I'm a big Billy fan, but IF he is called up this season, it will be AFTER the AA season, and his biggest impact will be as a PR. Dusty is NOT going to give him, or any other MiLer, PT over the likes of his veterans. Never has....never will(I suppose, IF TOLD to, or ELSE.....he might)

Stubbs, Votto, Bruce, Cozart, Frazier, Hanigan, all guys that got playing time over veterans with Dusty Baker managing the Cincinnati Reds

Tuff Nut
08-11-2012, 08:16 AM
Stubbs, Votto, Bruce, Cozart, Frazier, Hanigan, all guys that got playing time over veterans with Dusty Baker managing the Cincinnati Reds
The Reds weren't winning, or in a playoff positiion, when these kids came up, either. HUGE difference.

Stray
08-11-2012, 11:56 AM
The Reds weren't winning, or in a playoff positiion, when these kids came up, either. HUGE difference.

We're in a playoff position right now.

We hand the ball to a rookie catcher 2 out of 5 days.
4 out of our 5 starting pitchers are 26 or younger.
We have two legitimate NL ROY candidates in Frazier and Cozart.

I never understood it when people say Dusty doesn't play young players. The way we're doing it is perfect with a nice mix of young players and vets. I mean just look across our roster, we're contending with young players all over the place.

Tuff Nut
08-11-2012, 12:20 PM
We're in a playoff position right now.

Correct, you are, sir, and that is why I don't see Billy or any other MiLer being called up, to take anyone's spot, as the OP is inclining,....barring injury.

OGB
08-12-2012, 12:40 PM
So far the Reds have lost 17 one run games

Being able to steal a base a will late in games will win you 5-8 games

Seems worth it to me

I think getting sac bunts down, scoring runners from 3rd with less than two outs, and costly baserunning blunders have been a bigger issue for this team than a lack of a late inning pinch runner...at least as far as the close games are concerned.

That said, I'm actually not opposed to calling him up for Sept only, once the Hoos season is over, and that's mainly because I view him as a guy who will come up here and stick when he's finally ready and therefore have several options to spare.

Ironman92
08-12-2012, 07:08 PM
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