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powersackers
08-15-2012, 01:21 PM
Looks like our nice same man 5 man rotation streak will be done as of Saturday night. I hadn't heard of this new rule. I am not sure that I like it. Probably a collective bargaining thing right?

westofyou
08-15-2012, 01:23 PM
Looks like our nice same man 5 man rotation streak will be done as of Saturday night. I hadn't heard of this new rule. I am not sure that I like it. Probably a collective bargaining thing right?

IIRC it's new this year along with the Concussion DL and bereaved/maternity short time leave

CySeymour
08-15-2012, 01:23 PM
So, who gets the extra start this weekend then?

WildcatFan
08-15-2012, 01:25 PM
So, who gets the extra start this weekend then?

Most of the writers are saying Redmond.

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 01:31 PM
Most of the writers are saying Redmond.
That's what they want you to think. But then a spot on the 40 man opens and suddenly it's the return of THE LIZARD.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Elizardo+Ramirez+Cincinnati+Reds+v+Chicago+AoCAPpg c7bcl.jpg


or possibly the Fogg Machine!

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Josh+Fogg+Cincinnati+Reds+v+Chicago+Cubs+40WPfin9b eel.jpg


or maybe just TVP
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/623/108/50970972_display_image.jpg?1294591070

westofyou
08-15-2012, 01:33 PM
Nah... Luke baby

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/b6/22/154fc7817317e45f686802b1f6fb.jpg

westofyou
08-15-2012, 01:34 PM
Barrel Boy

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/03/30/reds1_zoom.jpg

WildcatFan
08-15-2012, 01:34 PM
That's what they want you to think. But then a spot on the 40 man opens and suddenly it's the return of THE LIZARD.

or possibly the Fogg Machine!

or maybe just TVP

/shudders

Why SyFy hasn't made a movie about the 2000-09 Cincinnati Reds pitching staffs, I'll never understand.

WildcatFan
08-15-2012, 01:37 PM
Hey guys, let's go get em today. But if we don't, I'm ready for my mop-up duty in the seve....Huh? I'm doing what?

http://blogs.phillymag.com/gphilly/files/2012/04/Joe-Valentine.png

-Joe Valentine

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 01:41 PM
http://reds.enquirer.com/2002/04/05/reds_zoom.jpg
You know, Jose Acevedo probably isn't too busy these days.


http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/cincinnati-reds-dave-williams-570-upper-deck-2006-series-i-ii-baseball-trading-card-42247-p.jpg
And Dave Williams could resurface at any time.

LincolnparkRed
08-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Hey guys, let's go get em today. But if we don't, I'm ready for my mop-up duty in the seve....Huh? I'm doing what?



-Joe Valentine

They made him start once. He did not get another start from what I recall.

LoganBuck
08-15-2012, 01:41 PM
http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/1999/05/053099bere_325x500.jpg

Coming back, my arm feels better than ever, got 97 mph gas again. Or was that the 5 way?

Jason Bere

Always Red
08-15-2012, 01:44 PM
This thread is like watching a train wreck, I can't avert my eyes. :eek:

Chip R
08-15-2012, 01:44 PM
My sources say it's going to be this guy.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/baseball/milton.jpg

LincolnparkRed
08-15-2012, 01:50 PM
My sources say it's going to be this guy.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/baseball/milton.jpg


Paul Wilson??

CySeymour
08-15-2012, 01:50 PM
I'm voting for Jenny Finch

http://www.greggriess.com/Copyright_GRP_Finch_4_med.gif

powersackers
08-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Should I change the name of this thread to "one start wonders" ?

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 01:53 PM
They made him start once. He did not get another start from what I recall.
He's got company in that department, in that it wouldn't be the first time a former Red was brought back to make 1 start.


http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/2000/07/071800leubbers.jpg
Who could forget Larry Luebbers one start in 2000?

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/1998/05/050598winchester_482x500.jpg
or Scott Winchester's 1 start in 2001?

pedro
08-15-2012, 01:56 PM
Lance Davis

http://www.thediamondangle.com/archive/sep01/cin/dugout2.jpg

couldn't find a picture of John Bale ;)

camisadelgolf
08-15-2012, 02:03 PM
http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/cincinnati-reds-dave-williams-570-upper-deck-2006-series-i-ii-baseball-trading-card-42247-p.jpg[/img]
And Dave Williams could resurface at any time.
Believe it or not, Williams is only 33 years old. According to WAR, he's also the 2nd-best Alaskan to ever play for the Reds. #1 was Tom Sullivan (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sullito03.shtml), the only Alaskan to play in the majors and not be from either Anchorage or Juneau.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2012, 02:04 PM
Paul Wilson??
Eric Milton

powersackers
08-15-2012, 02:08 PM
Oh man, that 2003 Reds team used 17 Starting Pitchers to get through 162 games.

cumberlandreds
08-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Except for Jennie Finch this thread is a true horror story. :lol:

Dan
08-15-2012, 02:18 PM
Ron Villone, anyone?

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/1999/06/060199villone_415x500.jpg

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 02:19 PM
Believe it or not, Williams is only 33 years old. According to WAR, he's also the 2nd-best Alaskan to ever play for the Reds. #1 was Tom Sullivan (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sullito03.shtml), the only Alaskan to play in the majors and not be from either Anchorage or Juneau.
Surprised Williams is ahead of Shawn Chacon.

cumberlandreds
08-15-2012, 02:22 PM
Barrel Boy

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/03/30/reds1_zoom.jpg

I should be grateful that I don't recognize this pitcher but curiosity gets the best of me. Who is this?

_Sir_Charles_
08-15-2012, 02:22 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0928/mlb_a_redswalkoff_576.jpg

After all the nightmares posted here, I thought one should be posted to offset them...just for a bit.

Okay, continue with the parade of the living dead. :O)

Big Klu
08-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Is it legal to make a roster move between games of the double-header? For example, let's say Todd Redmond starts Game 1. Could the Reds send him down after the game and add a relief pitcher or position player for the second game?

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2012, 02:23 PM
I should be grateful that I don't recognize this pitcher but curiosity gets the best of me. Who is this?

Jimmy Anderson

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/anderji02.shtml

camisadelgolf
08-15-2012, 02:24 PM
Surprised Williams is ahead of Shawn Chacon.
Chacon never played for the Reds.

Dan
08-15-2012, 02:25 PM
Oh man, that 2003 Reds team used 17 Starting Pitchers to get through 162 games.

And of the 17 pitchers that started games, 16 of them had (full season, including relief outings) ERAs higher than 4. Only the inimitable Jose Acevedo had an ERA of 2.50 in 5 games.

Big Klu
08-15-2012, 02:26 PM
I should be grateful that I don't recognize this pitcher but curiosity gets the best of me. Who is this?

I'm pretty sure that's Jimmy "Orca" Anderson.

westofyou
08-15-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that's Jimmy "Orca" Anderson.

Yes!

cumberlandreds
08-15-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that's Jimmy "Orca" Anderson.

Ah...Thanks to all who replied.

There has to be a picture of Ramon Ortiz somewhere to add to this menagerie.

westofyou
08-15-2012, 02:29 PM
Is it legal to make a roster move between games of the double-header? For example, let's say Todd Redmond starts Game 1. Could the Reds send him down after the game and add a relief pitcher or position player for the second game?

Pretty sure it has to be a move with the 25 man roster, the 26th guy can't be shared between games.

But yes they can drop say LeCure after game one and bring up another guy for game two

LoganBuck
08-15-2012, 02:29 PM
Is it legal to make a roster move between games of the double-header? For example, let's say Todd Redmond starts Game 1. Could the Reds send him down after the game and add a relief pitcher or position player for the second game?

Google "26 man roster rule 2012"

HotCorner
08-15-2012, 02:33 PM
The names still haunt me ...

Danny Serafini, Brian Reith, Jung Bong, Randy Keisler, Chris Michalak, Joe Mays, Sun-Woo Kim, Kirk Saarloos, Tom Shearn, etc ...

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 02:34 PM
Chacon never played for the Reds.
Ah, I missed where you said 'The Reds', I thought you meant of all Alaskan players to play in the MLB.

http://www.leaguelineup.com/totalbaseballdevelopment/photos/TBD-RamonOrtiz-BalltotheWall-GrabandPull.jpg
Here's not so razor Ramon Ortiz, as requested. A true #3 starter in any rotation.

http://socalba.com/main/images/stories/Seth_Etherton_Reds_pitch.jpg
Seth Etherton is due for a good performance.

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/2001/05/052801reith.jpg
and Brian Reith is still only 34.

Big Klu
08-15-2012, 02:41 PM
Pretty sure it has to be a move with the 25 man roster, the 26th guy can't be shared between games.

But yes they can drop say LeCure after game one and bring up another guy for game two

OK. It was the 26th guy I was wondering about.

HokieRed
08-15-2012, 02:42 PM
Chacon never played for the Reds.

Elio did. 1960-62, mostly 2b.

LoganBuck
08-15-2012, 02:50 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQs_9ENxVmAayR7s9H-WChUL5E_VGfivnsN1bOBsWsn8mLqI_1v

If the Reds stumble and make the wildcard game they could start me.

Steve Parris

Chip R
08-15-2012, 03:11 PM
Paul Wilson??

Milton.

wolfboy
08-15-2012, 03:29 PM
http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/02/27/022703reitsma_zoom.jpg

Chris Reitsma's totally got this covered.

Tom Servo
08-15-2012, 03:34 PM
Alright, lightning round!

http://www.autographwarehouse.com/images/products/detail/ROBBELL.JPG
Rob Bell!

http://enquirer.com/editions/2002/04/01/odhamiltonap_zoom.jpg
Opening Day Starter Joey Hamilton!

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/171/726/1930487.jpg.32095_display_image.jpg?1268095136
Opening Day Starter "The Immortal" Jimmy Haynes!

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2003-JOSH-HALL-REDS-DONRUSS-ROOKIES-AUTO-0014-1000-56166-/00/s/MTAyNFg4Mzc=/$(KGrHqZ,!ooE+1uZk7H0BQJWU2NI1g~~60_12.JPG
Josh Hall!

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2002/08/15/WILw9jpy.jpg
John Riedling!

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2003/08/31/sDM55OkJ.jpg
Scott Randall!

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2004/07/02/xrjqFRpO.jpg
Jesus Sanchez!

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2006/07/07/LqnegBkx.jpg
Joe Mays!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ip37jG_aSf4/Rr9sAOuRx4I/AAAAAAAAAaI/TADhq4h260Y/s320/phil-dumatrait-ap-pablo-martinez-mansivais.jpg
Phil Dumatrait!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RXJZ0Gy8gi0/SbWrWpzR2mI/AAAAAAAAANs/4VhwS0qEHmo/s200/Adam+vs+Cards.jpg
Adam Pettyjohn!

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2007/08/shearn.jpg
Tom Shearn!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2003/05/28/reds_braves_ap/t1_austin_ap.jpg
and the infamous Jeff Austin



All available to start in the double header. :alcohol:

Brutus
08-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Not to derail a trip down memory lane, but have the Reds actually said or insinuated they're going to call up someone for the purpose of starting? I just assumed they'd call up a bullpen arm.

LincolnparkRed
08-15-2012, 04:03 PM
The names still haunt me ...

Danny Serafini, Brian Reith, Jung Bong, Randy Keisler, Chris Michalak, Joe Mays, Sun-Woo Kim, Kirk Saarloos, Tom Shearn, etc ...

Keisler could hit.

Milton once hit a triple at Wrigley. Zambrano got so mad he beaned a woman in the fourth row trying to pick him off. Ramirez never moved for the throw

LoganBuck
08-15-2012, 04:07 PM
Not to derail a trip down memory lane, but have the Reds actually said or insinuated they're going to call up someone for the purpose of starting? I just assumed they'd call up a bullpen arm.

Redmond has been insinuated multiple times. Straight from Dusty.

vic715
08-15-2012, 04:08 PM
Elio did. 1960-62, mostly 2b.

Hate to have to admit it but I've seen him play in person.

Brutus
08-15-2012, 04:11 PM
Redmond has been insinuated multiple times. Straight from Dusty.

Redmond was called-up once to be a bullpen arm, so is it guaranteed he'd be starting a game in the doubleheader? I'm not disputing Redmond being called up, but I haven't seen anywhere that said it would be for the purpose of starting a game.

757690
08-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Redmond was called-up once to be a bullpen arm, so is it guaranteed he'd be starting a game in the doubleheader? I'm not disputing Redmond being called up, but I haven't seen anywhere that said it would be for the purpose of starting a game.

If he is the 26th man, he has to start. The team cannot use that spot to call up a reliever, from what I understand.

Edit: and I am wrong. So much for believing Fay, lol. The 26th man can be any player, it doesn't even have to be a pitcher.

Caveat Emperor
08-15-2012, 04:19 PM
What about this guy -- the only player I've ever seen be denied a win due to the official scorer being so disgusted with his effort:

http://www.affordablehomegoods.com/reds/pictures/osvaldo_fernandez.jpg

redsmetz
08-15-2012, 04:22 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, but while the new CBA permits a 26th player (presumably it needs to be a pitcher), does it necessarily mean we have to do so? Might rotation slots work out that someone can just make their start. I'm thinking not since we've had this brutal calendar schedule of few days off.

Brutus
08-15-2012, 04:24 PM
If he is the 26th man, he has to start. The team cannot use that spot to call up a reliever, from what I understand.

Edit: and I am wrong. So much for believing Fay, lol. The 26th man can be any player, it doesn't even have to be a pitcher.

Yeah I was going to say... there have been teams to use relievers as part of the rule already this year.

reds44
08-15-2012, 04:24 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, but while the new CBA permits a 26th player (presumably it needs to be a pitcher), does it necessarily mean we have to do so? Might rotation slots work out that someone can just make their start. I'm thinking not since we've had this brutal calendar schedule of few days off.
No, you don't have to, but I'll be shocked if they don't use it and it's not Redmond.

WildcatFan
08-15-2012, 04:25 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, but while the new CBA permits a 26th player (presumably it needs to be a pitcher), does it necessarily mean we have to do so? Might rotation slots work out that someone can just make their start. I'm thinking not since we've had this brutal calendar schedule of few days off.

They're in the midst of 34 games in 34 days (one doubleheader, one off day), and there's already some worry about inning counts. I don't mind this call, especially against the Cubs.

wolfboy
08-15-2012, 04:27 PM
What about this guy -- the only player I've ever seen be denied a win due to the official scorer being so disgusted with his effort:

The fact that he was described as "crucial to Reds' hopes" is so depressingly indicative of the futility this organization experienced for a decade:

http://reds.enquirer.com/2001/04/04/red_sullivan_fernandez.html

redsmetz
08-15-2012, 04:31 PM
They're in the midst of 34 games in 34 days (one doubleheader, one off day), and there's already some worry about inning counts. I don't mind this call, especially against the Cubs.

I agree. I was just asking whether in other circumstances whether a team is required to do it.

I'm guessing it's Hoover or Redmond (did someone suggest he wasn't on the 40 man elsewhere in this thread - he's shown there now) and then perhaps a committee day, but what do I know.

powersackers
08-15-2012, 04:42 PM
I agree. I was just asking whether in other circumstances whether a team is required to do it.

I'm guessing it's Hoover or Redmond (did someone suggest he wasn't on the 40 man elsewhere in this thread - he's shown there now) and then perhaps a committee day, but what do I know.

You can't really do a committee day. What if one of the starters don't make it out of the first inning?

redsmetz
08-15-2012, 04:43 PM
You can't really do a committee day.

Well you may well be right, but "best laid plans" and all that. We'll have to see.

Edd Roush
08-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Ron Villone, anyone?

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/1999/06/060199villone_415x500.jpg

Talk about things you were wrong about when you were a kid. I thought Villone did not fit in this thread first time looking through because I thought used to be a solid starter. I guess he was alright with his 4.23 ERA and 4.14 FIP in 22 1999 starts, but he was miserable in 23 2000 starts with a 5.43 ERA and a 5.92 FIP. That 0.98 K:BB ratio in 2000 sure is bad.

Nathan
08-15-2012, 05:16 PM
Bullpen guy:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5836/hancockredshs4.jpg

or better yet....

Starter:
http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom/7fab9349-f2f4-44d7-8e5a-88e124adff3d.jpg

Chip R
08-15-2012, 05:25 PM
or better yet....

Starter:
http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom/7fab9349-f2f4-44d7-8e5a-88e124adff3d.jpg

Don't think he's available since he's pitching for the celestial all-stars.

Nathan
08-15-2012, 05:49 PM
Don't think he's available since he's pitching for the celestial all-stars.

Both of them are, but, rumor has it, their ghosts are coming back for a one night show.

reds44
08-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Keisler could hit.

Milton once hit a triple at Wrigley. Zambrano got so mad he beaned a woman in the fourth row trying to pick him off. Ramirez never moved for the throw
HAHAHA. I was at that game. Milton also singled later on and Zambrano balked trying to pick him off at first.

Hap
08-15-2012, 06:27 PM
couldn't find a picture of John Bale ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bale_%28baseball%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bale_%28baseball%29)

corkedbat
08-15-2012, 06:55 PM
I think the Dad's recently emancipated this fellow:

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kip-wells.jpg
Kip Wells

klw
08-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Danny Graves could probably give a performance similar to his 2003 outings.

http://reds.enquirer.com/2004/05/19/gravy.jpg

HokieRed
08-16-2012, 12:21 AM
Hate to have to admit it but I've seen him play in person.

I also saw him in person many times. I no longer worry about admitting stuff like this from the ancient past.

Homer Bailey
08-16-2012, 12:16 PM
What about this guy -- the only player I've ever seen be denied a win due to the official scorer being so disgusted with his effort:

http://www.affordablehomegoods.com/reds/pictures/osvaldo_fernandez.jpg

What is this story? I'm not familiar with it.

HeatherC1212
08-16-2012, 01:02 PM
This thread is so disturbing to me, LOL :laugh:

marcshoe
08-16-2012, 01:22 PM
This thread has mentioned several players who I'm sure never existed. And I remember them.

Caveat Emperor
08-16-2012, 02:11 PM
What is this story? I'm not familiar with it.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN200108050.shtml

This was the game -- Osvaldo Fernandez came on in relief after the Reds had scored 3 runs to take an 8-7 lead over the Padres. Fernandez came in and gave up a 2 spot to put the Reds back down 9-8. In the top of the next inning, with Fernandez still the pitcher of record, the Reds came back and answered with 2 runs of their own to take a 10-9 lead. Danny Graves pitched the final two innings.

The official scorer awarded the win to Graves, citing Rule 10.17(c) and declaring Fernandez to have been ineffective in his relief appearance.

Hoosier Red
08-16-2012, 02:21 PM
Ron Villone, anyone?

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/1999/06/060199villone_415x500.jpg

He's still pitching isn't he? I was at the game the night Randy Johnson struck out 17 batters and LOST a 2-0 decision to Ron Villone.

June 30, 1999. That probably should have told us it would be a fun season if we needed any extra proof.