PDA

View Full Version : How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?



texasdave
08-15-2012, 02:05 PM
Everyone knows the pitching staff has been good this year. But how good? Using ERA+ as a measuring stick, pretty freaking good. Maybe even historically good. The Reds' ERA+ right now sits at 126. Let's see how that stacks up.

Here is a chart of every NL pitching staff since division play started in 1969 with an OPS+ of 125 or higher. Pretty short list.


YEAR TEAM ERA+ WINS
2002 ATL 133 101
1997 ATL 131 101
2011 PHI 128 102
2003 LAD 128 85
1998 ATL 128 106
1993 ATL 128 104
2012 CIN 126 98*
1996 ATL 125 96





Going back to 1969 just 8 pitching staffs have finished the season at 125+ or batter. The Reds' OPS+ ranks them 7th. But that is actually 7th out of 598 pitching staffs. Aside from the other-worldly Atlanta staffs featuring Maddux, Smoltz etc., only three teams' pitchers have managed to put up an OPS+
of 125 or better. That is some pretty heady territory this year's Reds have entered.

And look at the results. Using 98 wins for Cincinnati (the pace they are currently on), these eight teams won a total of 793 games. Or just a shade over 99 games each.

This includes the 2003 Los Angeles Dodgers team which won just 85. That team, incidentally, was pathetic offensively. They had the dubious distinction of finishing last in the league in OBP, SLG and OPS. They scored just 3.5 runs per game. And yet still won 85 games because of the pitching staff.

You get good pitching and wins seem to naturally follow.

BungleBengals
08-15-2012, 02:28 PM
Would be nice to see Cincy eclipse 100 or more wins this year. Going 30 - 17 is possible, especially for this team :)

Red Raindog
08-15-2012, 02:33 PM
Everyone knows the pitching staff has been good this year. But how good? Using ERA+ as a measuring stick, pretty freaking good. Maybe even historically good. The Reds' ERA+ right now sits at 126. Let's see how that stacks up.

Here is a chart of every NL pitching staff since division play started in 1969 with an OPS+ of 125 or higher. Pretty short list.


YEAR TEAM ERA+ WINS
2002 ATL 133 101
1997 ATL 131 101
2011 PHI 128 102
2003 LAD 128 85
1998 ATL 128 106
1993 ATL 128 104
2012 CIN 126 98*
1996 ATL 125 96





Going back to 1969 just 8 pitching staffs have finished the season at 125+ or batter. The Reds' OPS+ ranks them 7th. But that is actually 7th out of 598 pitching staffs. Aside from the other-worldly Atlanta staffs featuring Maddux, Smoltz etc., only three teams' pitchers have managed to put up an OPS+
of 125 or better. That is some pretty heady territory this year's Reds have entered.

And look at the results. Using 98 wins for Cincinnati (the pace they are currently on), these eight teams won a total of 793 games. Or just a shade over 99 games each.

This includes the 2003 Los Angeles Dodgers team which won just 85. That team, incidentally, was pathetic offensively. They had the dubious distinction of finishing last in the league in OBP, SLG and OPS. They scored just 3.5 runs per game. And yet still won 85 games because of the pitching staff.

You get good pitching and wins seem to naturally follow.

nice set of numbers --- what I would like to know is how this offense is doing with the park effects taken out --- I suspect it would be weaker than most think -- I'm just too busy (lazy) to go looking for it now

jback76
08-15-2012, 02:51 PM
Yes the Reds in recent years have had plenty of offense, at or near the top in many offensive stats. But what has it gotten them, sure fun to watch at times but no championships. I love this pitching staff and with it we have a shot at something I've been waiting for since 1990. With that said I would feel much more comfortable with a little more run production.

MrRedLegger
08-15-2012, 03:02 PM
It's crazy to think that the Braves only muscled out one World Series Championship (1 out of 5) during the Atlanta empire that was the 1990's and early to mid 2000's. 14 out of 15 division crowns. Oh what could have been...

This year's Reds pitching staff is something very special to watch.

BungleBengals
08-15-2012, 03:08 PM
Good thing is that our SP's are all very young besides Arroyo.

Leake 24
Latos 24
Bailey 26
Cueto 26

not to mention that Chapman is 24 too.

The future looks bright! :cool:

nate1213
08-15-2012, 03:19 PM
Is this just independent or is there a link?

LeDoux
08-15-2012, 03:45 PM
Has anyone actually seen Cueto and Maddux in the same place at the same time? Latos and Smoltz?

MrRedLegger
08-15-2012, 03:47 PM
The Reds' pitching staff is so dirty, you could write a letter to Penthouse about them all.

Reds' pitching is so dirty, it's the 0.01% that hand sanitizer can't kill.

texasdave
08-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Is this just independent or is there a link?

If the question is 'Are these numbers coming from another article?', then the answer is no. So there is no link.