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Chip R
08-19-2012, 01:04 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/astros-fire-manager-brad-mills-042917376--mlb.html

Tom Servo
08-19-2012, 01:14 AM
They should rehire Phil Garner and then Cecil Cooper and just do the same thing all over again, just to see if anybody is paying attention.

defender
08-19-2012, 01:16 AM
I came so close to winning my a manager will get fired before the Reds use a 6th starter bet.

Team Clark
08-19-2012, 02:18 AM
I feel terrible for Brad Mills. Great baseball person and teacher. He was literally put in a no win situation. He may never manage again, but he's one heck of a bench coach.

traderumor
08-19-2012, 08:38 AM
Unless Mills was insubordinate, the GM that a lot of folks are applauding just took yet another step down. Can you do anything more gutless than fire a manager that you handed those players to work with? Again, unless he committed some major breach of contract or showed up the GM publicly, this is a joke and you may be looking at years of recovery after this clown runs them further into the ground.

reds1869
08-19-2012, 08:46 AM
Good luck finding a quality manager to take over that train wreck. I'd glad take Mills in the Reds system.

Hoosier Red
08-19-2012, 09:06 AM
Unless Mills was insubordinate, the GM that a lot of folks are applauding just took yet another step down. Can you do anything more gutless than fire a manager that you handed those players to work with? Again, unless he committed some major breach of contract or showed up the GM publicly, this is a joke and you may be looking at years of recovery after this clown runs them further into the ground.

I agree. I understand that a new owner and GM would want their own guy in. But what is possibly gained by firing a manager now?

In fact, the only possible conclusion that gets drawn would be the wrong one where a new manager comes in and manages to slightly less poor results and is thus hired like Mike Quadde in Chicago.

mth123
08-19-2012, 09:18 AM
Unless Mills was insubordinate, the GM that a lot of folks are applauding just took yet another step down. Can you do anything more gutless than fire a manager that you handed those players to work with? Again, unless he committed some major breach of contract or showed up the GM publicly, this is a joke and you may be looking at years of recovery after this clown runs them further into the ground.

While I agree with Houston's plan to clear its dead wood, I think this firing is completely classless. Nobody could have won much with that group. Maybe there is more to it, but this seems like a scapegoat move.

Vottomatic
08-19-2012, 09:23 AM
I agree with all the comments above.

A trainwreck is a trainwreck. They fired the only guy willing to deal with it, probably.

Unless something has been pre-arranged as a replacement, I don't know why anyone would want the job.

mth123
08-19-2012, 09:41 AM
I agree with all the comments above.

A trainwreck is a trainwreck. They fired the only guy willing to deal with it, probably.

Unless something has been pre-arranged as a replacement, I don't know why anyone would want the job.

Only 30 Managers jobs out there. I'm sure some one will want big league money.

Vottomatic
08-19-2012, 09:45 AM
Only 30 Managers jobs out there. I'm sure some one will want big league money.

Come November, the Astros won't be the only team looking for a manager.

mth123
08-19-2012, 09:56 AM
Come November, the Astros won't be the only team looking for a manager.

Sure, but there are dozens of guys looking for a shot with some background to qualify them. I'm not talking about you and me, but guys like Dave Miley are always out there. I bet Rick Sweet would take the job or Chris Speier. They may not get Larussa or Torre to come out of retirement, but there will be plenty of guys willing to take major league money and looking for a chance.

_Sir_Charles_
08-19-2012, 11:23 AM
I feel terrible for Brad Mills. Great baseball person and teacher. He was literally put in a no win situation. He may never manage again, but he's one heck of a bench coach.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. I simply don't get it. It's not like you need a scapegoat for their season. I haven't heard any details (haven't watched the news all weekend) but you'd have to think he did or said something to ownership to warrant it. Otherwise....:confused:

Raisor
08-19-2012, 11:39 AM
Maybe he wanted out and they "fired" him so he wouldn't have to quit.

cincrazy
08-19-2012, 11:52 AM
Gutless move by Lunhow. Good to see he's carried the Cardinals "class" with him to Houston.

RedsManRick
08-19-2012, 11:54 AM
I've never understood the mid-August firing. I can only imagine it's a way to give a guy in-house some major league managerial experience without actually having to commit to him.

Chip R
08-19-2012, 11:55 AM
This article sheds a bit more light on why Mills was fired but it just appears Luhnow wants his own guy in there. They are going to a new league and it's just possible they want a fresh start.

George Anderson
08-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Are managers contracts gauranteed?

dfs
08-19-2012, 11:57 AM
this is a joke and you may be looking at years of recovery after this clown runs them further into the ground.

I think any way you look at it that franchise is looking at years of recovery.

blumj
08-19-2012, 12:00 PM
Yeah, I really don't see how waiting any longer would have been any sort of favor to him. I know nobody likes to get fired, but the rest of MLB can see the situation there and this gives him, and teams who might be interested, a head start to moving on.

Chip R
08-19-2012, 12:01 PM
Are managers contracts gauranteed?

The probably have to pay him for the rest if his contract but it appears that his contract is up after this season. He has a club option for 2013 but that's clearly not going to be exercised.

Big Klu
08-19-2012, 05:34 PM
They change the fiddler, but the song remains the same.

Unassisted
08-19-2012, 06:19 PM
Gutless move by Lunhow. Good to see he's carried the Cardinals "class" with him to Houston.


This article sheds a bit more light on why Mills was fired but it just appears Luhnow wants his own guy in there. They are going to a new league and it's just possible they want a fresh start.The combination of these two comments made me wonder why Walt Jocketty didn't make a change when he was hired. ;)

Brutus
08-19-2012, 06:35 PM
Serves him right for not turning water into wine.

kaldaniels
08-19-2012, 06:39 PM
I know it is the age of instant hyperbole, but someone help me remember the last time a team in the Majors was this pathetic.

Brutus
08-19-2012, 06:44 PM
I know it is the age of instant hyperbole, but someone help me remember the last time a team in the Majors was this pathetic.

Pittsburgh in 2010 was really, really bad. They finished with just 57 wins. Although Houston has a worse win percentage, they are on pace to finish with a better run differential than the Pirates did that year.

Screwball
08-19-2012, 07:10 PM
I know it is the age of instant hyperbole, but someone help me remember the last time a team in the Majors was this pathetic.

It's not the most recent, but the 1899 Cleveland Spiders went 20-134, good for a .130 winning percentage that left them 84 games out of first. Just prior to the 1899 season their owner also bought the St. Louis Browns, and traded all of Cleveland's good players to the Browns for next to nothing in return.

As for most recent, maybe the 2003 Tigers? They ended up 43-119, finishing 47 games back. To put that in perspective, this year's Astros - who have been ridiculously bad - would have to go 4-36 the rest of the way to equal that mark. Man, that team was terrible.

traderumor
08-24-2012, 03:16 PM
Ok, I have been pretty vocal about the Astros tear down. They just keep on helping me build my case. But, note, this would not be a publicity stunt. Really? How could it not be? What other value is there to this?

Owner says Astros interested in Clemens return

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120824&content_id=37258528&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

westofyou
08-24-2012, 03:24 PM
Ok, I have been pretty vocal about the Astros tear down. They just keep on helping me build my case. But, note, this would not be a publicity stunt. Really? How could it not be? What other value is there to this?

Owner says Astros interested in Clemens return

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120824&content_id=37258528&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

On Dan Patrick they were doing the over and under on IP and Dan said... oh it will be more than 3 innings... you have to pitch until the Astro's scout shows up at least.

Unassisted
08-24-2012, 03:28 PM
Ok, I have been pretty vocal about the Astros tear down. They just keep on helping me build my case. But, note, this would not be a publicity stunt. Really? How could it not be? What other value is there to this?

Owner says Astros interested in Clemens return

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120824&content_id=37258528&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlbI consider Crane to be admitting without hesitation in that article that having Clemens pitch would be aimed squarely at getting people to watch the games. Their attendance has been horrible and I'm sure their TV ratings have suffered. He's only offering to send some money to charity.

dougdirt
08-24-2012, 03:30 PM
Luhnow has admitted without hesitation that having Clemens pitch would be aimed squarely at putting fans in the seats. Their attendance has been horrible.

So you make him a reliever so they have to show up every night..... just in case. :lol:

Unassisted
08-24-2012, 03:31 PM
So you make him a reliever so they have to show up every night..... just in case. :lol:I wouldn't put it past them. :D

traderumor
08-24-2012, 04:23 PM
I consider Crane to be admitting without hesitation in that article that having Clemens pitch would be aimed squarely at getting people to watch the games. Their attendance has been horrible and I'm sure their TV ratings have suffered. He's only offering to send some money to charity.Well, yea, but he is denying "publicity stunt." Of course he does give the altruistic "help our young pitchers" reason as well. Regardless, lame, just lame.