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sdwagers
08-28-2012, 11:38 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/pirates-release-erik-bedard.html

so glad this (http://redsinsider.blogspot.com/2007/12/bedard-deal-not-dead.asp) never happened

HometownHero
08-28-2012, 12:21 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/pirates-release-erik-bedard.html

so glad this (http://redsinsider.blogspot.com/2007/12/bedard-deal-not-dead.asp) never happened

Sometime the best moves are the ones you don't make.

Captain13
08-28-2012, 01:12 PM
Would that have been any worse than the trade they did make, Hamilton for Volquez?

Z-Fly
08-28-2012, 01:43 PM
Would that have been any worse than the trade they did make, Hamilton for Volquez?

Yes, in every way.

texasdave
08-28-2012, 01:53 PM
I think in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play that the Cardinals should release a player. Maybe Matt Holliday.

HometownHero
08-28-2012, 02:29 PM
Would that have been any worse than the trade they did make, Hamilton for Volquez?

Bailey, Votto and a top prospect for Bedard if everything played out the same would been one of the worst trades ever. I know Seattle regrets giving up Adam Jones and Chris Tillman for him.

This was our Top-10 Prospects then..
1. Jay Bruce, of
2. Homer Bailey, rhp
3. Joey Votto, 1b/of
4. Johnny Cueto, rhp
5. Drew Stubbs, of
6. Devin Mesoraco, c
7. Todd Frazier, ss
8. Juan Francisco, 3b
9. Josh Roenicke, rhp
10. Matt Maloney, lhp

So it could potentially been Bailey, Votto and Frazier or Cueto that would have changed the direction of the franchise in a terrible way. At least Volquez had a All-Star year with us was used in a package to help bring in our #2 starter who had 4 years left under team control.

dubc47834
08-28-2012, 02:54 PM
Yes, in every way.

Easily....because we turned Volquez into Latos!!!

Captain13
08-28-2012, 05:11 PM
Easily....because we turned Volquez into Latos!!!

I thought we turned Boxberger, Alonzo, and Grandal into Latos ;)

Reds
08-30-2012, 07:18 AM
quote from comments on the article (don't mean to pick on this user but...)


at 11:34 PM Joe Farfsing said...
Anyone who says don't make the deal is delusional. I thought the name of the game was to try to win, not to have Baseball America's #1 rated minor league system. Trading a prospect, a pitching prospect at that, for a proven quantity such as Bedard is a good deal even if it takes Votto and another prospect as well

and that's why patience is the key. lol

krm1580
08-30-2012, 11:57 AM
Bailey, Votto and a top prospect for Bedard if everything played out the same would been one of the worst trades ever. I know Seattle regrets giving up Adam Jones and Chris Tillman for him.

This was our Top-10 Prospects then..
1. Jay Bruce, of
2. Homer Bailey, rhp
3. Joey Votto, 1b/of
4. Johnny Cueto, rhp
5. Drew Stubbs, of
6. Devin Mesoraco, c
7. Todd Frazier, ss
8. Juan Francisco, 3b
9. Josh Roenicke, rhp
10. Matt Maloney, lhp

So it could potentially been Bailey, Votto and Frazier or Cueto that would have changed the direction of the franchise in a terrible way. At least Volquez had a All-Star year with us was used in a package to help bring in our #2 starter who had 4 years left under team control.

I know this is a little off topic but does anybody else look at that top 10 and say WOW!!!!

1. Jay Bruce, of 2-Time All-Star
2. Homer Bailey, rhp Solid starter
3. Joey Votto, 1b/of MVP
4. Johnny Cueto, rhp Possible 2012 Cy Young Award Winner
5. Drew Stubbs, of Everyday Centerfielder
6. Devin Mesoraco, c
7. Todd Frazier, ss Possible 2012 Rookie of the year
8. Juan Francisco, 3b
9. Josh Roenicke, rhp
10. Matt Maloney, lhp

I know people look at Bruce, Bailey and Stubbs as disappointments based on expectations, but I don't think people realize how good this list is. I used to get the BA Prospect Handbook from 1999-2005 and if a team had 2 everyday players the top 10 that was good, 3 would be great. Nobody every had the entire top 10 make the majors.

To put it in perspective look at the Reds top 10 from just 5 years earlier:

1 Chris Gruler
2 Bobby Basham
3 Wily Mo Pena
4 Edwin Encarnacion
5 Dustin Moseley
6 Ty Howington
7 Ricardo Aramboles
8 Brandon Larson
9 Josh Hall
10 Mark Schramek

Red in Atl
08-30-2012, 03:47 PM
Can you imaging the uproar if we had traded votto...what a disaster this would have been