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klw
09-07-2012, 12:23 PM
Four Reds made the list, led by Billy Hamiliton at #15.
Stephenson, Cingrani and Corcino on the list too.


Joining Hamilton in the top 100 were Class A Dayton pitcher Robert Stephenson (63rd), Double-A Pensacola lefty pitcher Tony Cingrani (65th) and Pensacola right-hander Daniel Corcino (79th).

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120905&content_id=37944540&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

They did an updated top 20 prospects for the Reds too.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/#list=cin

OGB
09-07-2012, 02:29 PM
Sean Buckley and Brodie Greene at 11 and 12 and Lutz, Vidal, and Guillon don't crack their top 20? Methinks this be a crappy ranking.

Scrap Irony
09-07-2012, 03:18 PM
Sean Buckley and Brodie Greene at 11 and 12 and Lutz, Vidal, and Guillon don't crack their top 20? Methinks this be a crappy ranking.

IMO, after the first four, it's a total crapshoot as to who might go in what order. The Reds have a list of guys long on potential, but short on production. They also have a list (almost as long) who produced well, but have less than glowing scouting reports.

I'd agree with their top four, for sure:
Hamilton
Stephenson
Cingrani
Corcino

After that? A whole lotta maybe's.

RED VAN HOT
09-08-2012, 12:53 PM
This list does not appear to reflect much additional thought following the completion of the 2012 season.

mth123
09-08-2012, 01:25 PM
I can go with the top 6, but I'm really not seeing the love for Ryan Lamarre at number 7. I see the OBP numbers, but doesn't his minor league profile seem like Drew Stubbs lesser brother? I'm a skeptic where minor league OBP numbers are concerned and wonder whether they will translate at the big league level without some pop to keep pithcers honest. I also notice that Lamarre gets a boost from a decent number of HBP each year. I'm fairly uncertain of whether that "skill" will translate at the big league level. If teams are enamored with him, he'd absolutely be on the list of guys to deal to sweeten a package.

Lotzkar also seems like a guy with too many injuries to take seriously. He also struggled quite a bit at AA this year. He's still young and probably wouldn't net much because of his injury history, so he's not really on the trade list. He'd be more on my "keep an eye on" list than anywhere sniffing he top 10.

If we take the Hamilton, Stephenson, CIngrani, Corcino, Didi and Travieso group as the top 6, I think I'd go with Winker at 7 (though I'm usually not impressed with Billings offensive numbers), I'd probably go with H-Rod at 8 since he's hit everywhere until AAA, Rogers at 9 based on his strong year and progressions and then its a real crapshoot (if its not already). I'd probably go with Y-Rod at 10 just because of his tools and the fact that he's largely been downgraded because of "head issues." I don't place much emphasis on those issues in kids so young. Growing up happens and makes these problems go away many times.

Vottomatic
09-09-2012, 09:37 AM
Geez, if they're going to include a pitcher in Single A over a pitcher who got a September callup who had a dazzling season, Cingrani.........then I could make an argument that Jesse Winker should have been high on the list. :D

If it's about potential and not what you've done lately in the higher echelons, then I think the list stinks. These analysts are clueless and by the middle of next season that list of top 20 prospects will look silly as usual. I mean, geez, look at the age of some of these kids. Some are on the verge of being to old already and they're still in single A. And others are like 18 or 19 and haven't done much, but he lists them for potential? I could have made a better list than this.

Edit: Didn't read mth's post before I posted mine. I agree with you.

scott91575
09-19-2012, 04:43 PM
Anyone else a little freaked out by Pirates prospect Jameson Taillon?

http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/3/6/6/37149366/cuts/jameson_taillon_yq5l82k6_0u0h95r1.jpg

19braves77
09-19-2012, 07:42 PM
Hoping Robert Stephenson gets to skip Bakersfield next year and start out with Pensacola.

Ryan Lamarre reminds me of Gerrado Parra. Doesn't do anything great but just enough....

JayBruceFan
09-19-2012, 10:40 PM
Hoping Robert Stephenson gets to skip Bakersfield next year and start out with Pensacola.

No way that happens. He needs to work on throwing something other than his fastball

JayBruceFan
09-19-2012, 10:40 PM
Anyone else a little freaked out by Pirates prospect Jameson Taillon?

http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/3/6/6/37149366/cuts/jameson_taillon_yq5l82k6_0u0h95r1.jpg

Good God, he has murder eyes

AtomicDumpling
09-20-2012, 01:19 AM
Anyone else a little freaked out by Pirates prospect Jameson Taillon?

http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/3/6/6/37149366/cuts/jameson_taillon_yq5l82k6_0u0h95r1.jpg

I keeell you with my circle change.

Benihana
09-20-2012, 09:55 AM
Hoping Robert Stephenson gets to skip Bakersfield next year and start out with Pensacola.

Ryan Lamarre reminds me of Gerrado Parra. Doesn't do anything great but just enough....

Can't imagine Stephenson starting in Pensacola. Starting in Bakersfield will be enough of a jump for him. Big question to me will be whether Travieso starts in Dayton or Billings. Stephenson in Bakersfield, Lotzkar and Rogers in Pensacola, with Cingrani and Corcino in the 'ville.

LaMarre reminds me more of Chris Heisey without the power. I would say he does everything almost enough, but nothing major league starter-worthy. He'll be a solid 4th OF IMO, but nothing more.

dougdirt
09-20-2012, 12:01 PM
LaMarre reminds me more of Chris Heisey without the power. I would say he does everything almost enough, but nothing major league starter-worthy. He'll be a solid 4th OF IMO, but nothing more.

LaMarre is quite the defender.

Benihana
09-20-2012, 12:39 PM
LaMarre is quite the defender.

You think he's that much better than Heisey? Would he be a plus defender in CF at the major league level?

dougdirt
09-20-2012, 01:54 PM
You think he's that much better than Heisey? Would he be a plus defender in CF at the major league level?

Yes, I do think he is significantly better than Heisey. At the very least I think he is an above average MLB defender when fully healthy (he has been dealing with plantar fasciitis this year).

mdccclxix
09-20-2012, 03:25 PM
Doug, is there still hope Lamarre will develop some more power?

dougdirt
09-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Doug, is there still hope Lamarre will develop some more power?

Yes, but he is going to need to make some swing adjustments. With his swing right now, there is just no way he is going to hit for power. His timing is way off and it leads to a very armsy type of swing that saps him of power.

ProfessorTofty
09-21-2012, 07:53 AM
I live in Dayton, Ohio, and I had the privilege of attending the game in which Billy Hamilton stole his one-hundredth base when he was playing for the Dayton Dragons. His speed on the basepaths is amazing. If he can maintain that level if/when he reaches the major leagues, then fans are in for something quite special.

ucnum1
09-22-2012, 02:57 AM
Lamare and Josh Fellhauer both have skillsets of above average MLB outfielders RIGHT NOW imo...above average range and plus outfield arms....was quite fun watching both of them all season.

Az. Reds Fan
09-22-2012, 12:19 PM
Hoping Robert Stephenson gets to skip Bakersfield next year and start out with Pensacola.

Ryan Lamarre reminds me of Gerrado Parra. Doesn't do anything great but just enough....

Parra did win a gold glove last year and has arguably the best arm in baseball, so I'd say defensively he's pretty close to great...now offensively, yeah, he doesn't do anything that great, but I'd be willing to bet if he had an oppurtunity to play on a full time basis, he'd be pretty good.

MikeS21
10-03-2012, 06:00 PM
Question is, can LaMarre strike out less often than Stubbs? Actually putting the ball in play would be an upgrade over Stubbs.

camisadelgolf
10-03-2012, 07:12 PM
Question is, can LaMarre strike out less often than Stubbs? Actually putting the ball in play would be an upgrade over Stubbs.
Looking at 2012 numbers, Wilson Valdez puts the ball in play in 78.64% of his plate appearances. He has a line of .203/.234/.224 for an OPS of .458.

Drew Stubbs puts the ball in play in 61.81% of his plate appearances. His line is .214/.278/.334 for an OPS of .612.

Drew Stubbs puts the ball in play considerably less and has considerably better production. Something tells me it's a lot more complicated than putting the ball in play.

Even at his worst, Stubbs is better than a lot of the other options out there. I realize it's very frustrating, but it's unfair to say something like, "Actually putting the ball in play would be an upgrade over Stubbs." If you want to go back to the days of Willy Taveras--by all means, have at it. In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes peeled for an upgrade (maybe it's Hamilton or LaMarre), but I'm not going to settle on the first guy that puts the ball in play.