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NebraskaRed
09-15-2012, 02:32 PM
Brandon Phillips 4
Wilson Valdez 6
Joey Votto 3
Ryan Ludwick 7
Jay Bruce 9
Scott Rolen 5
Drew Stubbs 8
Ryan Hanigan 2
Johnny Cueto 1

malcontent
09-15-2012, 03:00 PM
Will Stubbs make it to 100 hits this season? Baker must think he will.

Valdez: .196 .223 .214 .437

:eek:

Stray
09-15-2012, 03:13 PM
My guess is Stubbs will start at CF in every big park from here on out, including the first 2 in San Francisco if that's how it plays out.

It would be a nice time for Cueto to have a good game. I'd hate for him to go into the playoffs on a bad note.

Also, have there been any updates on Cozart?

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 03:43 PM
And my guess is that Stubbs has caught 1 ball in the last month that others wouldn't have.

It's been beyond a joke for over a month.

No doubles or homers in over 100 AB? How is that even possible?

Stray
09-15-2012, 03:46 PM
Management values defense on this team, we're built around it. Not saying I agree with it, just saying that Stubbs will most likely be in there whenever we play in big parks.

texasdave
09-15-2012, 03:57 PM
Playing six on nine is always a good idea. Stubbs and Valdez. The joke is on us. And make sure you put the major league's weakest bat in the two-slot. So he gets up a lot. Who will finish higher in OPS this year? Votto at 1.049 or Stubbs+Valdez at 1.067. It could go down to the wire.

NebraskaRed
09-15-2012, 04:54 PM
I do believe Stubbs will get a hit today. I do believe, I do believe, I do believe.

I don't really believe that.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 05:08 PM
Management values defense on this team, we're built around it. Not saying I agree with it, just saying that Stubbs will most likely be in there whenever we play in big parks.

I know why Dusty is doing it....I don't get his basis for it. In 6 weeks Stubbs has thrown out 1 runner and I can't think of one play that he made that doesn't get made by anyone else. What are these defensive merits Dusty is using?

Metrics? Stats? Arm?....what? He looks better catching routine balls? Prettier in the gaps? Dusty's decision on this is atrocious....and backed by nothing.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 05:09 PM
I do believe Stubbs will get a hit today. I do believe, I do believe, I do believe.

I don't really believe that.

I hope he gets 3 hits, but then again I'd rather not watch a 45 inning game.

Falcon7
09-15-2012, 05:40 PM
I hope he gets 3 hits, but then again I'd rather not watch a 45 inning game.

It would take a 56 inning game! He has 3 hits total in his last 8 games and I'm not counting games he did not have an AB in. 7 games with 3 or more AB's and 1 game with 1 AB.
His totals for those last 8 games:
3 Hits
3 Walks
1 Run scored
0 RBI's
But only 7K's
His BA pre and post the all-star break is exactly the same .215

Stray
09-15-2012, 05:48 PM
I know why Dusty is doing it....I don't get his basis for it. In 6 weeks Stubbs has thrown out 1 runner and I can't think of one play that he made that doesn't get made by anyone else. What are these defensive merits Dusty is using?

Metrics? Stats? Arm?....what? He looks better catching routine balls? Prettier in the gaps? Dusty's decision on this is atrocious....and backed by nothing.

The only real game changing play that comes to mind is the crazy double play that really wasn't against Philly. Stubbs made that close enough to fool the umps, but I have no idea if Heisey gets that close or not so it's impossible to compare.

Again, I'm not arguing that it's the right decision by any means, just saying that it isn't surprising. Dusty has said numerous times that he wants Stubbs to patrol big outfields.

I know he's the punching bag lately for good reason, but our teams recent offensive woes are way bigger than him and even Valdez. We have quite a few guys who are slumping.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 05:52 PM
The only real game changing play that comes to mind is the crazy double play that really wasn't against Philly. Stubbs made that close enough to fool the umps, but I have no idea if Heisey gets that close or not so it's impossible to compare.

Again, I'm not arguing that it's the right decision by any means, just saying that it isn't surprising. Dusty has said numerous times that he wants Stubbs to patrol big outfields.

I know he's the punching bag lately for good reason, but our teams recent offensive woes are way bigger than him and even Valdez. We have quite a few guys who are slumping.

He fooled them because every other CF dives for that ball and 1/2 of them catch it.

His best play in 6 weeks was a scooped ball.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 05:56 PM
The only real game changing play that comes to mind is the crazy double play that really wasn't against Philly. Stubbs made that close enough to fool the umps, but I have no idea if Heisey gets that close or not so it's impossible to compare.

Again, I'm not arguing that it's the right decision by any means, just saying that it isn't surprising. Dusty has said numerous times that he wants Stubbs to patrol big outfields.

I know he's the punching bag lately for good reason, but our teams recent offensive woes are way bigger than him and even Valdez. We have quite a few guys who are slumping.

And I'm not arguing with you. You are a good positive fan. I was an outfielder and love outfield play. I say no basis for Dusty's decision and it just kills me. I'll leave it be the rest of the thread.

Go Reds!

malcontent
09-15-2012, 06:03 PM
The icing is watching Stubbs after his outs. Body language speaks volumes, at least in this case.

DocRed
09-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Duhhhsty STRIKES AGAIN!

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 06:34 PM
The icing is watching Stubbs after his outs. Body language speaks volumes, at least in this case.

Yeah....I honestly feel bad for him. It's like the struggling pitcher getting left in even though he's given up 7 runs in 3 innings, only he gets to pitch every day.

NebraskaRed
09-15-2012, 06:36 PM
Duhhhsty STRIKES AGAIN!

Dusty? The same Dusty Baker who is about to lead the Reds to their second divisional title in 3 years?

Stray
09-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Gonna watch the Bearcats and Munchie hopefully kick some butt, hoping to check in a little later and see a big lead here.

The Rage
09-15-2012, 07:26 PM
Cueto is due for a gem.

40YrRedsFan
09-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Cueto is due for a gem.

I guess that is a moot point now

Spider Tre
09-15-2012, 07:32 PM
Cueto's last 2 or 3 starts may have locked up the Cy Young Award for Dickey

40YrRedsFan
09-15-2012, 07:32 PM
This game could already be over.:(

The Rage
09-15-2012, 07:32 PM
I guess that is a moot point now

He is throwing to hard, has lost control of the plate.

Maker_84
09-15-2012, 07:32 PM
Cueto has been awful lately, when do we give him the Chapman treatment and rest him for a long while??

DocRed
09-15-2012, 07:33 PM
Dusty? The same Dusty Baker who is about to lead the Reds to their second divisional title in 3 years?

Yes that one...I bet Cueto loves this lineup...

The Rage
09-15-2012, 07:34 PM
Cueto has been awful lately, when do we give him the Chapman treatment and rest him for a long while??

Weird thing is, he is throwing his best velocity of the year, but is missing his spots worse than Bailey in September.

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:35 PM
He is throwing to hard, has lost control of the plate.
Hanigan should have called for a slider or change (after 3 straight FBs) on that 1-2 pitch to Stanton.

Red Raindog
09-15-2012, 07:38 PM
I hope he gets 3 hits, but then again I'd rather not watch a 45 inning game.


:barf:

DocRed
09-15-2012, 07:39 PM
Did Stubbs really just TAKE 3 called strikes?!?! Go Duhhhsty!

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:40 PM
Stubbs should just wave a white towel from the dugout.

Would save the humiliation of the walks to and from plate.

40YrRedsFan
09-15-2012, 07:40 PM
With our lack of disciplined hitters, this could be a real ugly game, if last night's wasn't ugly enough.

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Did Stubbs really just TAKE 3 called strikes?!?! Go Duhhhsty!
Dude is just hopeless.

I've got no sympathy for him...won't even begin to change his approach as he's stubborn as hell with every excuse in the book.

Stray
09-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Yikes Cueto has already given up 3 runs. Talk about going in the wrong direction...

Hope he figures it out, he might be starting 2 games in the NLDS.

DocRed
09-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Dude is just hopeless.

I've got no sympathy for him...won't even begin to change his approach as he's stubborn as hell with every excuse in the book.

Worse yet is the manager that continues to run him out there....

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Wonder why BP hesitated on the throw to 3B on Stanton's triple?

The Rage
09-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Cueto may need a skipped start. Jay Bruce needs a long time off.

Who Dey Time
09-15-2012, 07:52 PM
Cueto may need a skipped start. Jay Bruce needs a long time off.

Hard to say. If the schedule holds Cueto's normal turn would come on 10/6 which would probably be the Reds first playoff game.

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:52 PM
Worse yet is the manager that continues to run him out there....
Running him out there in the playoffs will be interesting, to say the least.

malcontent
09-15-2012, 07:56 PM
Cueto easily does what Stubbs finds impossible to do..bunt successfully.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:10 PM
Wonder why BP hesitated on the throw to 3B on Stanton's triple?

Who is telling him where to cut? Votto? The play had a feel for a shot at home...once he looked home it was a little too late and his pivot to 3rd looked like he had Stanton but he hesitated, double-pumped, then threw?

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:11 PM
And the pitch Buerhle threw to strike out Phillips???? Crazy impossible...why throw anything else?

The Rage
09-15-2012, 08:18 PM
Bruce..........finally. Stubbs march to a sub-600 ops marches on.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:21 PM
We
Got
This

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:28 PM
Ozzie and Dusty having a good time...pretty funny

redsfan1995
09-15-2012, 08:29 PM
Great play by Johnny

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Nice play by Cueto...but that was stupid timing by Solano

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Careful while breathing hard....don't leave one up

Who Dey Time
09-15-2012, 08:32 PM
For those that care UC up 20-0 at half.

DocRed
09-15-2012, 08:33 PM
For those that care UC up 20-0 at half.

No one cares...

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:43 PM
Concern rising with Cueto pitching.

The most pitches in the league is not the stat I want to hear.

He's the ace....but has not been ace-like recently.....need the ace for any playoff chance.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Need a good pitch here!

The Rage
09-15-2012, 08:48 PM
Cueto officially with another turd. First Bailey in August now Johnny Walker.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:48 PM
Insane positioning...but nice and thank goodness....about smoked Cueto

Who Dey Time
09-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Cueto has 3 weeks to figure it out.

Krawhitham
09-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Cueto need to miss a couple of starts, he is spent

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 08:53 PM
I was thinking it's been a bit since Lee has had a monster shot against us.

Lord


Get Cueto out and get a plan of action for his maximum potential come playoff time....do not care from now until Oct 3rd what he does pitching-wise.

The Rage
09-15-2012, 08:54 PM
With Cueto at 197I, I may skip him and give Cingrani his next start. Then put him back out there for his next to last start and see if he is back.

Bailey gets a full week off. Talk about luck.

Stray
09-15-2012, 08:55 PM
With Cueto at 197I, I may skip him and give Cingrani his next start. Then put him back out there for his next to last start and see if he is back.

Bailey gets a full week off. Talk about luck.

Yea I would do the same thing with Cueto. Skip a start and call it shoulder fatigue, see if some time off will get him right.

Krawhitham
09-15-2012, 08:56 PM
Right now Cueto should not be in the post season rotation. Dusty will never hold him out but he should

Sept
Homer 21.2 innings 1.66 ERA
Arroyo 19 innings 2.84 ERA
Latos 13 innings 2.77 ERA


Cueto 16.1 innings 7.73 ERA
Leake 9.1 innings 8.68 ERA

40YrRedsFan
09-15-2012, 08:56 PM
Cueto need to miss a couple of starts, he is spent

Agreed, I think all pitchers that Dusty will use in the post season should get
2 or 3 starts off. Cueto's chances at the Cy Young are gone now, so might as well start resting starters and using the Redmonds, Cingrani, etc. Luckily we have a big lead and can afford to do it. May as well do it with position players too. Give guys several days off over the next 2 weeks, and crank em up the last week to build momentum.

Billy_Bearcat
09-15-2012, 08:58 PM
For those that care UC up 20-0 at half.

I care!

Who Dey Time
09-15-2012, 08:58 PM
Once the Reds clinch I'd imagine that a lot of guys will be scaled back.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:04 PM
CC

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:05 PM
Nice play by Giancarlo

40YrRedsFan
09-15-2012, 09:06 PM
Once the Reds clinch I'd imagine that a lot of guys will be scaled back.

That would be the ideal scenario, but if we don't start playing better, it may take until the last week to clinch. You don't want to get guys out of a rhythm
by sitting them right before the post season.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:07 PM
Ugh.....Jay Bruce was the hottest hitter around, then he faced Wandy and is now 1-20. Coincidence?

DocRed
09-15-2012, 09:14 PM
Once the Reds clinch I'd imagine that a lot of guys will be scaled back.

I think we should give them all the day off...let them get drunk in the clubhouse like we did 2 years ago and ruin any chance we have at home field advantage.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:19 PM
Hanigan is so good.

Catching in the NL is at as good as it's been in a long long time.

Molina is darn near prime Pudge. Way up my MVP list.

Who Dey Time
09-15-2012, 09:20 PM
I think we should give them all the day off...let them get drunk in the clubhouse like we did 2 years ago and ruin any chance we have at home field advantage.

As it stands I'm about 90% certain that the Reds will be the #2 and head to San Francisco. The other 10% says there's a chance at the #1 whether we want it or not.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:20 PM
E5

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:21 PM
As it stands I'm about 90% certain that the Reds will be the #2 and head to San Francisco. The other 10% says there's a chance at the #1 whether we want it or not.

Not real sure it's best...until the NLCS

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:22 PM
Thanks Marquez

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:23 PM
Frazier sighting


He's due.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:54 PM
Austin Kearns is now up....but not sure he is awake.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 09:55 PM
This game, while boring....is not over.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:05 PM
Xavier Paul is pinch-hitting for Stubbs.

WOW.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:07 PM
Up to Navarro

Red Raindog
09-15-2012, 10:08 PM
H-C trying to hang in --- but ugh

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:08 PM
Navarro singles for Hanigan....Heisey is the last hope.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:09 PM
Spray a single

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:10 PM
Fighting

Red Raindog
09-15-2012, 10:10 PM
sure looks like JC is trying to throw it though a brick wall --- kind of like my golf swing gets sometimes -- too fast & too hard

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:11 PM
Well, we didn't win tonight.

Red Raindog
09-15-2012, 10:12 PM
Well, we didn't win tonight.

or last night --- don't look so hot right now ---

we can blame Votto ---

:D

Stray
09-15-2012, 10:13 PM
The only solution here is to DFA Votto.

Ironman92
09-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Votto doing the headfirst slides.

texasdave
09-16-2012, 12:28 AM
Jose Reyes made error number 500,000.