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Ironman92
09-16-2012, 10:02 PM
What? Duh! Sure fire lockdown GG baby!

He is certainly deserving and full of highlights.

But there is one guy who plays on the worst defensive team it seems and on one of the worst defensive infields as agreed by the players.....Darwin Barney

Don't unleash on me yet!!!

Barney, while playing on a bad infield with a bunch of fumble-fingers all around him has exactly 1 error at 2nd base all year. He has 4 fewer errors in 70 more chances and his range factor and zone rating are as good as Phillips. He has the top defensive WAR in the NL. I'm not a big believer in all of these stats.....but he has more than his share of unbelievable highlights, gets to balls most don't get to and makes every routine play. He's also turned about 20 more DP's than Phillips.

He hasn't made an error at 2nd in his last 125 games.

One of these guys is going to not win a gold glove award....and that'll be a shame for either.

Ironman92
09-16-2012, 10:20 PM
Whew! Checking to see if I was banned.

Still able to post.

DocRed
09-16-2012, 11:32 PM
Agree about Barney...he always seems to come up big against us too.

Ironman92
09-16-2012, 11:37 PM
Agree about Barney...he always seems to come up big against us too.

Well, we don't see him very much and he's on teh Cubs. Teh Cubs are known for horrible defense. He can pick it.

Krawhitham
09-17-2012, 09:29 PM
Barney hands down

R_Webb18
09-17-2012, 10:05 PM
bp might win for the simple fact were in 1st place + he's better overall player. im not saying it should matter but for some reason it seems it does.

WDE
09-17-2012, 10:33 PM
BP will win. He is just the best at what he does. Pleasure to watch him really.

Ironman92
09-17-2012, 11:11 PM
BP might win like Ozzie used to over Barry.

R_Webb18
09-17-2012, 11:55 PM
BP might win like Ozzie used to over Barry.

disagree there. bp a freak also

Ironman92
09-18-2012, 12:05 AM
disagree there. bp a freak also

So was Ozzie...he won on the highlight reels. BP is deserving.....not quite as much as Barney.

Pony Boy
09-18-2012, 10:27 AM
BP might win like Ozzie used to over Barry.

Ozzie deserved most of those GGs over Barry.

Barry was a much better player than Ozzie all-around, but Ozzie was a better defender even close to the end of his career.

Ironman92
09-18-2012, 06:01 PM
Ozzie deserved most of those GGs over Barry.

Barry was a much better player than Ozzie all-around, but Ozzie was a better defender even close to the end of his career.

Key word.....most

Krawhitham
09-18-2012, 11:36 PM
Barney hands down

Defensive War
BP 1.1
Barney 3.3

Errors
BP 5
Barney 1

Fpct
BP .991
Barney .999

DocRed
09-19-2012, 09:50 AM
Defensive War
BP 1.1
Barney 3.3

Errors
BP 5
Barney 1

Fpct
BP .991
Barney .999

dWAR of 3.3 is crazy high...not that I completely believe in that stat but still.

DocRed
09-19-2012, 09:53 AM
Nice timing of this article LOL....

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/15234655-573/darwin-barney-might-be-on-track-to-win-a-gold-glove.html

jback76
09-19-2012, 10:20 AM
I'm sorry because I know it's an individual award, but when your team loses 100 games or close to it in a season, no GG. Especially IMO when an equally if not better player is on a Division winner.

big boy
09-19-2012, 10:33 AM
I'm sorry because I know it's an individual award, but when your team loses 100 games or close to it in a season, no GG. Especially IMO when an equally if not better player is on a Division winner.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Should that apply to the Cy Young as well?

Anyway, Barney seems to be better according to all the stats. He should get it.

Krawhitham
09-19-2012, 07:44 PM
Player UZR/150 +/- FRAA
D. Barney 15.4 +29 13.7
B. Phillips 3.9 +7 -5.1



http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/9/19/3359332/fact-checking-brandon-phillips

Ironman92
09-19-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm sorry because I know it's an individual award, but when your team loses 100 games or close to it in a season, no GG. Especially IMO when an equally if not better player is on a Division winner.

That's ridiculous....80 more chances and 4 fewer errors and matches the range...one of the best defensive seasons ever shouldn't win the best defensive player award?

If Edwin E wins the HR title should it not count because his 2nd baseman plays cruddy defense?