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NebraskaRed
09-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Sunday 9/23 (forgot the date in the thread title)

Chris Heisey 7
Wilson Valdez 6
Joey Votto 3
Todd Frazier 5
Miguel Cairo 4
Denis Phipps 9
Drew Stubbs 8
Ryan Hanigan 2
Homer Bailey 1

40YrRedsFan
09-23-2012, 06:46 PM
Runs will be very very very hard to get today with this lineup......not a very good way to
be showcased on prime time national TV. Three automatic outs, the pitcher, and a rookie. Won't be surprised if we are shut out.

Stray
09-23-2012, 07:22 PM
We clinched yesterday and guys celebrated. I expected a lineup like this...and Votto of course since he's still trying to work back into things.

texasdave
09-23-2012, 07:46 PM
I have seen guys in the dog house before but never in as deeply as Mesoraco. He is buried beyond Janishian levels. Devin has appeared in just two games in September. Has not gotten in before the 8th inning. No starts. Seems like he could have gotten a start somewhere down the line. Even the call-ups have. The rose is off the bloom at this point.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 07:48 PM
I have seen guys in the dog house before but never in as deeply as Mesoraco. He is buried beyond Janishian levles. He has appeared in just two games in September. Has not gotten in before the 8th inning. No starts. Seems like he could have gotten a start somewhere down the line. Even the call-ups have. The rose is off the bloom at this point.

People said when he was called up last year he would be a middle of the order hitter by this time.

dubc47834
09-23-2012, 08:11 PM
I dont think he did himself any favors by the way he was suspended either.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 08:14 PM
I dont think he did himself any favors by the way he was suspended either.

Maybe not....but players get tossed, he was fighting for his pitcher.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 08:15 PM
Cairo is hitting behind Phipps.

malcontent
09-23-2012, 09:04 PM
I have seen guys in the dog house before but never in as deeply as Mesoraco. He is buried beyond Janishian levels. Devin has appeared in just two games in September. Has not gotten in before the 8th inning. No starts. Seems like he could have gotten a start somewhere down the line. Even the call-ups have. The rose is off the bloom at this point.
I agree that it's weird. I'd also be resting Hanigan at this point.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Maybe not....but players get tossed, he was fighting for his pitcher.

I get the feeling that they's more to the story than just getting tossed. Otherwise, why did he go from the #2 catcher to basically a back-up, back-up, back-up pinch hitter.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Hopefully Bailey is not to hungover to pitch 6 innings tonight. He was annoying in the celebration footage with those dumb sunglasses.

redsfan1995
09-23-2012, 09:14 PM
Good start for Bailey.

Who Dey Time
09-23-2012, 09:29 PM
Been a great day so far....

Bengals win.

Stealers* lose.

The Rage make a customary dumb Bailey post.

Lets top it off with a Reds win!

SeeingRed
09-23-2012, 09:34 PM
Homer giving up home run at not so great American ballpark.

dubc47834
09-23-2012, 09:53 PM
Hopefully Bailey is not to hungover to pitch 6 innings tonight. He was annoying in the celebration footage with those dumb sunglasses.

You still think he should be in the pen...his ERA at GABP in Sept is below 2.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 09:56 PM
You still think he should be in the pen...his ERA at GABP in Sept is below 2.

Basically yes. I wanna see if his fastball would improve in the pen ala 2010. But he will be the 4th starter in the playoffs. Hopefully the Reds sweep the series and delay it to the NLCS. Nothing worse than watching Bailey at home in a must win game 4.

dubc47834
09-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Whats the speed of his fastball matter when he has been pitching good. Maybe the loss of a MPH or 2 is by design.

BigPoppa
09-23-2012, 10:18 PM
Stubbs finds new ways to make me dislike his play and want to trade him.....

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 10:20 PM
Stubbs finds new ways to make me dislike his play and want to outright release him.....

Fixed.

BigPoppa
09-23-2012, 10:20 PM
Couldn't we get a bucket of balls for him?

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Couldn't we get a bucket of balls for him?

Maybe a fungo bat.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 10:25 PM
Nice AB for Valdez there after a horrific 0-2 start.

BigPoppa
09-23-2012, 10:28 PM
dadgummit:(

malcontent
09-23-2012, 10:36 PM
Maybe a fungo bat.
A balsawood fungo bat.

LexRedsFan
09-23-2012, 10:36 PM
I like hearing the national guys' opinion on the Reds every now and again. Anyone else agree?

malcontent
09-23-2012, 10:37 PM
Who wants the #1 seed?

Falcon7
09-23-2012, 10:38 PM
Votto has done very little in these "National audience type games".
Like to see him change that around.

Not so far, a big fat K with bases loaded...

The Rage
09-23-2012, 10:40 PM
I doubt the Reds are going to hit much at all down the stretch.

malcontent
09-23-2012, 10:41 PM
I doubt the Reds are going to hit much at all down the stretch.
Not if Cairo and Valdez grace the lineup.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 10:42 PM
Not if Cairo and Valdez grace the lineup.

Which they will quite a bit I suppose.

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:00 PM
Homer just looking great. Boy has he stepped up down the stretch.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:04 PM
Homer just looking great. Boy has he stepped up down the stretch.

So has Arroyo and Latos. I was sure Arroyo would level off by now, but he comes back with a 8I 1ER game. Makes up for Cueto being off kilter.

Mike Leake is the big disappointment. Kid's head hasn't been in the game recently imo. May have to do with Dusty's poor treatment in the spring I wonder?

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Gonzalez is a strong dude. No way that ball should have gotten out of the park. Reached for it and hit it near the end of the bat.

dubc47834
09-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Dude just owns Homer

LexRedsFan
09-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Gonzalez owns Homer. Dang.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Gonzalez is a strong dude. No way that ball should have gotten out of the park. Reached for it and hit it near the end of the bat.

Alot of people blame it on the wind direction.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:08 PM
8/15 with 5 HR

Goodness

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:09 PM
Alot of people blame it on the wind direction.

It went about 5 rows deep didn't it?

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:10 PM
It went about 5 rows deep didn't it?

Which really doesn't make sense consider the type of contact. See it in GAB all the time though. A HR that is just..........what?

That is what makes Cueto's lack of HR given up so amazing. How he does it with all the factors going against you?

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:12 PM
Which really doesn't make sense consider the type of contact. See it in GAB all the time though. A HR that is just..........what?

That is what makes Cueto's lack of HR given up so amazing. How he does it with all the factors going against you?

HGH Poptarts?

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:14 PM
These guys just become a different team when they play the Reds. Fortunately, Latos was dominant yesterday. LA can leave town and resume sucking offensively again tomorrow.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:14 PM
I still find it ironic that Dee Gordon's Dad was called Flash (but wasn't fast) but Dee is one of the fastest players ever.

Dee must be named after his fielding and OB% grade.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:16 PM
These guys just become a different team when they play the Reds. Fortunately, Latos was dominant yesterday. LA can leave town and resume sucking offensively again tomorrow.

They've only scored 2 runs, not quite an onslaught

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:16 PM
Just playing out the string and Hannigan goes after that ball like its life or death. You have to like this team.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:18 PM
HGH Poptarts?

My guess pitching more inside, but I would have to check on that. Bailey likes to get "pop fly" type outs and in GAB, that doesn't always work. Burned him against Molina in July as well.

Maker_84
09-23-2012, 11:19 PM
lol....

Spider Tre
09-23-2012, 11:19 PM
JFC, Cairo...

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:20 PM
They've only scored 2 runs, not quite an onslaught

3... and counting.

Hitting bombs. Hit-and-runs oppo behind runners. Scoring from third on non-squeeze bunts.

Different team vs. Reds. Not sure why.

Maker_84
09-23-2012, 11:20 PM
Homer Bailey needs to pitch in one of the first 2 games because he isnt good at GABP

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:21 PM
"Three runs feels like nine the way they've been scuffling lately."

Bingo.

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:24 PM
Homer Bailey needs to pitch in one of the first 2 games because he isnt good at GABP

What game are you watching?

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:26 PM
4...

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:28 PM
2nd HR was killer because it was so park driven. It rattled him for a sec. Disappointing start, as he had better stuff than the final outline. Dondo fails again. The Reds are done tonight.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:30 PM
5...

Maker_84
09-23-2012, 11:30 PM
2nd HR was killer because it was so park driven. It rattled him for a sec. Disappointing start, as he had better stuff than the final outline. Dondo fails again. The Reds are done tonight.

do not want dondo anywhere near the postseason roster

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:30 PM
Hanigan gonna be banged a little tomorrow.

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:31 PM
5...

Are you trying to make some point? Somewhere along the line I missed it.

Maker_84
09-23-2012, 11:31 PM
what is the reds record on sunday night baseball this season? i can only think of 1 win out of like 4 or 5 appearances

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:32 PM
Prediction: Dodgers won't score 5 runs in their series at San Diego.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:33 PM
5...

Count to 1,000 if you want....but they had 2 runs when you made your post.

As for my look into the future...Votto is gonna single to LCF

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Its like all the glass is 1/2 empty guys have been waiting for a night when a hungover patchwork team whose main concern is staying healthy, goes out there against a team fighting for their season. Yes this is a game where serious complaints can really be raised.

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Prediction: Dodgers won't score 5 runs in their series at San Diego.

11

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Its like all the glass is 1/2 empty guys have been waiting for a night when a hungover patchwork team whose main concern is staying healthy, goes out there against a team fighting for their season. Yes this is a game where serious complaints can really be raised.

WE NEED MORE LEFTY HITTERS!

Lol

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:36 PM
WE NEED MORE LEFTY HITTERS!

Lol


Not against Kershaw. And anyhow, that's a legitimate complaint. Just think how great we'd be if wed have signed Ibanez instead of Ludwick. :)

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:40 PM
Heisey on for the 3rd time in the leading tonight

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:40 PM
Not against Kershaw. And anyhow, that's a legitimate complaint. Just think how great we'd be if wed have signed Ibanez instead of Ludwick. :)

We'd have less hair.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:42 PM
Count to 1,000 if you want....but they had 2 runs when you made your post.

As for my look into the future...Votto is gonna single to LCF

You walked into it. I'm just playing along. :D

I'll see your Votto 1B to LCF and raise you a Stubbs strikeout in his next AB.

The Rage
09-23-2012, 11:42 PM
Bailey should have been taken out after the 2nd(if you call it that) Gonzo Hr. He was up to 194.1 innings with 1 more start to go. He is past the Verducci limit as well(threw 162.2 total between minors/majors last year).

Time to start taking precautions.

Mutaman
09-23-2012, 11:47 PM
Bailey should have been taken out after the 2nd(if you call it that) Gonzo Hr. He was up to 194.1 innings with 1 more start to go. He is past the Verducci limit as well(threw 162.2 total between minors/majors last year).

Time to start taking precautions.

good point.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2012, 11:49 PM
Its like all the glass is 1/2 empty guys have been waiting for a night when a hungover patchwork team whose main concern is staying healthy, goes out there against a team fighting for their season. Yes this is a game where serious complaints can really be raised.

Leave my glass alone. It's been full all season long.

Only thing I'm chaffed about is losing a season series bet to my Dodger buddy here in town for about the 7th time in 8 years and getting about two dozen text messages from him tonight. It's like Groundhog Day. They suck before a Reds series. They win the Reds series. They suck after the Reds series.

Just let me self-medicate. ;)

Falcon7
09-23-2012, 11:53 PM
Bailey should have been taken out after the 2nd(if you call it that) Gonzo Hr. He was up to 194.1 innings with 1 more start to go. He is past the Verducci limit as well(threw 162.2 total between minors/majors last year).

Time to start taking precautions.

Bailey should have been taken out after the 2nd(if you call it that) Gonzo Hr.

^^ Really dumb statement. What else would you call it?

Do the fences move back when the Reds hit?

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:54 PM
Is the Verducci limit for 26 year olds?

Falcon7
09-23-2012, 11:57 PM
That throw was just a bit high...

Ironman92
09-23-2012, 11:57 PM
Dee about killed a guy in section 132

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:01 AM
Denis Phipps!

BluegrassRedleg
09-24-2012, 12:01 AM
Way to go, Denny Phipps! :beerme:

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:02 AM
Can't wipe that smile off!

40YrRedsFan
09-24-2012, 12:02 AM
Denis Phipps!

He looks like a very strong young man!

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:02 AM
Marmol pitching for the Dodgers

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:04 AM
He looks like a very strong young man!

Strong like bull.

Falcon7
09-24-2012, 12:04 AM
Ball 4 DREW!!!!!!!!!!

BluegrassRedleg
09-24-2012, 12:04 AM
Same as it ever was.

40YrRedsFan
09-24-2012, 12:04 AM
Stubbs........what a waste......that ball was a foot outside.

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:05 AM
Stubbs SMH

He watches more strike 3's than anyone but also wails wildly at ball 4's with the best of them.

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:06 AM
Hanigan bruised right shoulder....thanks Jose for the 50 footer.

40YrRedsFan
09-24-2012, 12:07 AM
Stubbs SMH

He watches more strike 3's than anyone but also wails wildly at ball 4's with the best of them.

He must have figured he should swing no matter what, so he wouldn't be called out this time.

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:08 AM
A Gon is so smooth.

40YrRedsFan
09-24-2012, 12:12 AM
It is going to be very interesting to see how they use Stubbs during the playoffs. He made a very good play in center, but geesh, he just can't hit.

BluegrassRedleg
09-24-2012, 12:13 AM
It is going to be very interesting to see how they use Stubbs during the playoffs. He made a very good play in center, but geesh, he just can't hit.

It's like he makes that play about one time every week or two, and it justifies giving away 4-5 ABs a night in return. :confused:

Spider Tre
09-24-2012, 12:16 AM
i'm starting to like this Phipps guy

Falcon7
09-24-2012, 12:21 AM
It is going to be very interesting to see how they use Stubbs during the playoffs. He made a very good play in center, but geesh, he just can't hit.

Heisey also makes that catch.

Mutaman
09-24-2012, 12:24 AM
Leave my glass alone. It's been full all season long.

Only thing I'm chaffed about is losing a season series bet to my Dodger buddy here in town for about the 7th time in 8 years and getting about two dozen text messages from him tonight. It's like Groundhog Day. They suck before a Reds series. They win the Reds series. They suck after the Reds series.

Just let me self-medicate. ;)

Yesterday's win and celebration was the equivalent of 10
season series. If I was your Dodger friend, I would not have much to say.

BluegrassRedleg
09-24-2012, 12:27 AM
Yesterday's win and celebration was the equivalent of 10
season series. If I was your Dodger friend, I would not have much to say.

He thrives on little victories. Pride keeps me from just cancelling the bet permanently.

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:31 AM
What a cannon by Phipps!!!

AGon just owned us all night long.

Mutaman
09-24-2012, 12:37 AM
Very impressive that the boys played so hard after yesterday's celebration and in a game that for them meant nothing.

Ironman92
09-24-2012, 12:42 AM
Very impressive that the boys played so hard after yesterday's celebration and in a game that for them meant nothing.

There are only a few that don't always go all out.

The Rage
09-24-2012, 02:07 AM
Bailey should have been taken out after the 2nd(if you call it that) Gonzo Hr.

^^ Really dumb statement. What else would you call it?

Do the fences move back when the Reds hit?

Nope, but the Reds aren't really contact hitters. Votto and Bruce are sluggers, Cozart is a slugger SS. Only BP and Frazier are contact hitters. Heisey in the past has gotten HR's that way in GAB, though it was down this year along with the entire offense.

Gonzo just stuck his bat out there and let the currents do the rest, he did not make great contact with that ball(a slider). Everybody and their mother knows that. Frazier and BP have gotten HR's in that manner as well, so there!!!!

If I was Bailey, I would moon that start. Should have ended up alot better than it was. Even worse luck than against the Cards in August.