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dougdirt
09-24-2012, 12:12 PM
It is that time of year again.

Today Baseball America came out with the first of the League Top 20 lists with the release of the Arizona Rookie League list (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614076.html).

The Reds only had one player make the cut, Nick Travieso, who came in at #16 on the list.

Scouting reports noted lowered velocity from what he was throwing in high school as the Reds worked on his mechanics some.

lollipopcurve
09-24-2012, 01:44 PM
The Reds only had one player make the cut, Nick Travieso, who came in at #16 on the list.

Scouting reports noted lowered velocity from what he was throwing in high school as the Reds worked on his mechanics some.

Obviously way early, but not a lot of positives out the AZL Reds this year. Mediocre debut from Travieso, and less than that from Rahier. Winker and Langfield are top two guys out of the 2012 class with a short season in the books, IMO.

dougdirt
09-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Jonathan Reynoso was just mentioned in the chat as a guy who would have fallen in that 21-25 range. Plus speed, should grow into his body more and add some pop.

redsmetz
09-24-2012, 02:48 PM
Question that I'm curious about: Is Travieso young for the AZL, just being out of high school?

Kc61
09-24-2012, 02:57 PM
These ratings don't establish anything, but it's a bit disappointing for the Reds first draft choice to finish sixteenth on an Arizona League best prospects list.

I mean, it's not an All Star team, it's a best prospects list. Even if his numbers weren't so great, I'd expect a higher rating for Travieso as a prospect.

Somebody (either the Reds or Baseball America) has it wrong.

camisadelgolf
09-24-2012, 03:00 PM
Question that I'm curious about: Is Travieso young for the AZL, just being out of high school?
There were dozens of 18-year-olds, but he was about 2 years younger than the rest of the league on average.

dougdirt
09-24-2012, 03:38 PM
These ratings don't establish anything, but it's a bit disappointing for the Reds first draft choice to finish sixteenth on an Arizona League best prospects list.

I mean, it's not an All Star team, it's a best prospects list. Even if his numbers weren't so great, I'd expect a higher rating for Travieso as a prospect.

Somebody (either the Reds or Baseball America) has it wrong.

The guy who does these lists says this is the deepest he has ever seen this league. So you can't exactly compare it with other years.

One other note, is that the league rankings, as opposed to the team/top 100 rankings, are more based on what league managers/coaches had to say on the players rather than scouts who saw them play. That is why you will at times see the league rankings have Player A ahead of Player B, but then in the team and Top 100 rankings Player B being ranked ahead of Player A.

camisadelgolf
09-24-2012, 03:50 PM
The guy who does these lists says this is the deepest he has ever seen this league. So you can't exactly compare it with other years.

One other note, is that the league rankings, as opposed to the team/top 100 rankings, are more based on what league managers/coaches had to say on the players rather than scouts who saw them play. That is why you will at times see the league rankings have Player A ahead of Player B, but then in the team and Top 100 rankings Player B being ranked ahead of Player A.
That's pretty interesting seeing as how lowly-rated the recent draft class was.

klw
09-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Did Amir Garrett's name come up in the chat at all?

dougdirt
09-24-2012, 04:41 PM
Did Amir Garrett's name come up in the chat at all?

Yes it did. Upside, but very raw and is going to need a lot of time, particularly if he keeps playing basketball. Which basically we all already figured.

Benihana
09-24-2012, 04:48 PM
What about Pedro Diaz? Agreed disappointing about Travieso. I'd think a Top 15 pick should be among the top 5 prospects of any Rookie League, almost by definition.

dougdirt
09-24-2012, 04:50 PM
What about Pedro Diaz?

I asked. Never got addressed.

dougdirt
09-24-2012, 11:19 PM
Back to the depth of the league this year compared to previous years: In 2010 and 2011 combined, only one first rounder from those years was eligible for the BA Top 20 list in this league. In 2012 six first rounders qualified for the list.

DGullett35
09-25-2012, 06:40 AM
Seems like the Rangers and the A's have alot of good talent coming up through the ranks.

Benihana
09-25-2012, 10:21 PM
Rangers are a team doing things the right way across the board.

dougdirt
09-25-2012, 10:31 PM
Rangers are a team doing things the right way across the board.

It is scary. I am just glad that I am not in their division. The team has money, lots and lots of it, they spend both internationally and in the draft and they seem to be able to develop that talent as well.

Sea Ray
09-27-2012, 10:33 AM
So I take it Billy Hamilton will not play (and learn CF) in Arizona?

dougdirt
09-27-2012, 11:20 AM
Completely different leagues Sea Ray. This is the Arizona League, which is a rookie league that ran from roughly mid June until the end of August. It is the lowest level of the minor leagues that takes place here in the US.

Hamilton will be playing in the Arizona Fall League, which is probably the equivalent of Advanced A/AA (It it made up of mostly AA/AAA guys, but the pitchers are generally tired by the time the season rolls around, so guys usually kill the ball).

Sea Ray
09-27-2012, 02:27 PM
Completely different leagues Sea Ray. This is the Arizona League, which is a rookie league that ran from roughly mid June until the end of August. It is the lowest level of the minor leagues that takes place here in the US.

Hamilton will be playing in the Arizona Fall League, which is probably the equivalent of Advanced A/AA (It it made up of mostly AA/AAA guys, but the pitchers are generally tired by the time the season rolls around, so guys usually kill the ball).

:thumbup: Thanks