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RedTruck
10-09-2012, 10:56 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

I see a few options.

A. Fake an injury, (aka Simon) and add leake on the roster
B. Let Cueto Pitch..if he's physically able to..then go with a combo of lecure/simon
C. Let Latos start Game 4

My issue is this. If we start Latos game 4, and we lose that game. And we need a game 5..well, I love Bronson...But, with short rest, in GABP..just smells like trouble to me.

Such a headache.

1940757690
10-09-2012, 11:08 PM
Has to be Latos.

Can't be Cueto given the oblique and clearly they're struggling to decide whether to DL him.

Can't fake an injury. That's a bit silly. And very risky.

Leake only possible if they DL Cueto. And, given the late hour, doesn't look too likely since they must think he'd be usable for LCS.

RedTruck
10-09-2012, 11:10 PM
Has to be Latos.

Can't be Cueto given the oblique and clearly they're struggling to decide whether to DL him.

Can't fake an injury. That's a bit silly. And very risky.

Leake only possible if they DL Cueto. And, given the late hour, doesn't look too likely since they must think he'd be usable for LCS.

I don't know..Latos in Game 4..using your best chip...ugh, I don't know. I would save Latos, I mean do we really rely on arroyo if game 5 becomes reality? Or do we rely on the horse that's always been dominant against the Giants.

It's such a tricky situation.

arkimadee
10-09-2012, 11:13 PM
You have to find somehow, some way to start Leake tomorrow. He was lights out against that lineup in the season and it puts Latos on his normal rest. As good as Bronson was the other day, I want no part of him against Cane

RedTruck
10-09-2012, 11:31 PM
You have to find somehow, some way to start Leake tomorrow. He was lights out against that lineup in the season and it puts Latos on his normal rest. As good as Bronson was the other day, I want no part of him against Cane

He wasn't really lights out. He had a complete game, yes. But the Giants had plenty of opportunities and left many men on base. I like Leake...but

Norm Chortleton
10-09-2012, 11:59 PM
Bailey said in an interview that Leake is starting tomorrow.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 12:01 AM
IMO it will be Leake on a short leash. Remember, the Reds are still in the driver seat and can afford to allow Latos to get his rest for a potential Thursday game. Also, if Leake falters, you have two long guys in LeCure and Simon available to eat up innings and protect your back end bullpen guys.

Leake almost makes too much sense for tomorrow.

Over da Pence
10-10-2012, 12:02 AM
He he he. I'm got u guys tonight, despite my hurt calve. Good game.

We are hungry and I the Hunter am hunting for another victory tomorrow. Now if you guys pull it off I'll be a good sport. But we are hungry and ready to come alive.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 12:05 AM
He he he. I'm got u guys tonight, despite my hurt calve. Good game.

We are hungry and I the Hunter am hunting for another victory tomorrow. Now if you guys pull it off I'll be a good sport. But we are hungry and ready to come alive.

Proper spelling and grammar are essential for good message board trash talk. This is not good message board trash talk.

HometownHero
10-10-2012, 12:05 AM
Mike Leake and the BP, need to save Latos for game 5 so he will be rested if needed and if not needed can go in the NLCS since we are likely to be without Johnny Cueto which totally blows.

Over da Pence
10-10-2012, 12:06 AM
Proper spelling and grammar are essential for good message board trash talk. This is not good message board trash talk.



I'm not talking trash though. You guys may end up winning the world series. But I will be ready tomorrow. There is no guarantee and it's going to be tough.

Eric in IL
10-10-2012, 12:11 AM
There is no sense to pitch Latos in Game 4 on short rest when the Reds still have the upper hand in the series. I trust Leake against Zito tomorrow. If not, then the Reds still have Latos on full rest against Cain on Thursday.

Billy_Bearcat
10-10-2012, 12:13 AM
You DL Cueto. If he's still not sure how he feels 3 days after his injury then he's not going to be ready to pitch in the NLCS. With the way this medical staff operates I'll be surprised if he's ready by spring training.

Over da Pence
10-10-2012, 12:14 AM
There is no sense to pitch Latos in Game 4 on short rest when the Reds still have the upper hand in the series. I trust Leake against Zito tomorrow. If not, then the Reds still have Latos on full rest against Cain on Thursday.



It doesn't matter who we face tomorrow. We're just happy to have a tomorrow.

1940757690
10-10-2012, 12:15 AM
No Leake unless you DL Cueto.

Can't even speculate on Cueto since just too much unknown. The 3-day-uncertainty-so-won't-be-ready-for-NLCS theory simply isn't based on anything.

Will be clear soon enough.

BLark = HOF
10-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Latos only threw 57 pitches the other day. So even though he is on 3 days rest, it's not like he threw 110 pitches and is coming back in 3 days. I believe if we don't win Game 4, then we are done, no matter who pitches Game 5. I just don't see us beating Cain again. The guy is just so good.

RedTruck
10-10-2012, 01:23 AM
Latos only threw 57 pitches the other day. So even though he is on 3 days rest, it's not like he threw 110 pitches and is coming back in 3 days. I believe if we don't win Game 4, then we are done, no matter who pitches Game 5. I just don't see us beating Cain again. The guy is just so good.

Cain is good, but the reds have seem to have his number. 0-3. Don't forget we beat him in GABP as well. Plus Latos is a giants killer, if anything, it'll be kept close (one would hope)

Let's just focus on winning tomorrow so a Game 5 isn't even a theoretical possibility. :beerme:

WalksWillHaunt
10-10-2012, 01:32 AM
I don't think Cueto is coming back for the NLCS with an oblique strain. If it's very, very mild, maybe he can pitch game 6 or 7. That's doubtful, with the way he does that half turn in his windup. I hope I'm wrong, but there's a good chance he won't be back for the World Series either based what I've read on recovery time for others who've had this type of injury.

I think the Reds will have to DL him and go with Leake. Latos on short rest again and then potentially Arroyo also on short rest seems too risky if this goes five games. If you still hold out hope for Cueto in the NLCS, maybe you can take your chances on getting three innings each out of LeCure and Simon. I'd prefer to save Latos to face Cain in a game 5 either way. I don't like the idea of asking someone else on the team to fake an injury and lie about it under MLB scrutiny.

Reds
10-10-2012, 04:26 AM
I'd go with Latos. Dude is a stub and will nail it down before do-or-die time sets in.

Or you could start Chapman..

From what I read it's going to me Mike though and I haven't a lot of confidence in him to show his best stuff. Just a gut feeling. Frazier should start @ 3rd. I hope game 5 isn't necessary.

jhiller21
10-10-2012, 05:05 AM
I'd go with Latos. Dude is a stub and will nail it down before do-or-die time sets in.

Or you could start Chapman..

From what I read it's going to me Mike though and I haven't a lot of confidence in him to show his best stuff. Just a gut feeling. Frazier should start @ 3rd. I hope game 5 isn't necessary.

There's no way you could start Chapman... He's been pitching relief all year, and wouldn't last more than two innings. Dusty didn't even trust him to pitch the 10th in game 3, plus he had to sit for more than a week to regain his velocity at the end of the season. His arm isn't ready for that.

The best choice is Leake. The Giants seem to have trouble with soft tossing tricksters (Arroyo), and he'll be on a short leash anyway. Worst case scenario Leake gives up a few in 5 innings and Simon or Lecure comes in.

If we lose, we have Latos rested for game 5... and this team is NOT going to lose... bank on it.

Reds
10-10-2012, 05:15 AM
Chapman comment was a joke.

I do worry about Leake but only if he gets in a jam early.

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 09:17 AM
The pitching matchup section of the NY Post shows Latos as the starter, so I'm going with that. The NY Post is NEVER wrong! ;)

dubc47834
10-10-2012, 09:23 AM
The pitching matchup section of the NY Post shows Latos as the starter, so I'm going with that. The NY Post is NEVER wrong! ;)

That's who I would go with. Get the series over with before it gets to Cain. If we can get at least 5 outa Latos then turn it over to the pen I would call it a success.

Girevik
10-10-2012, 09:28 AM
I don't like any of the options. If you start Leake, that means that Cueto is out for the NCLS which just makes me sick to my stomach. But running Latos out there on short rest is a scary thing too, and leave you in a bind for game 5.

Thinking outside the box, how about starting LeCure and hoping for 4-5 innings out if him and turning it over to the pen?

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 10:14 AM
That's who I would go with. Get the series over with before it gets to Cain. If we can get at least 5 outa Latos then turn it over to the pen I would call it a success.

Would normally agree but then again, I said the same thing yesterday about Bailey. He exceeded that...and we STILL lost!

ukwazoo
10-10-2012, 10:24 AM
Since there are no good options for game 4, I say save Latos for game 5.

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 10:30 AM
My gut says go with Latos tonight. He's the best pitcher we have - and he showed on Saturday that he doesn't get rattled when he's thrown off his routine.

With Latos, we have a favorable pitching matchup tonight. I don't want to see Matt Cain in a game five.

texasdave
10-10-2012, 10:31 AM
As long as Zito starts in Game 4 it is all systems go.

redsrolen
10-10-2012, 10:51 AM
It's official...it's Mike Leake!!:alcohol::alcohol:

RSNtransplant
10-10-2012, 10:51 AM
I don't think losing Cueto for NLCS should factor into the NLDS starter decision because:
1) If you are pitching Cueto in the NLCS, it should be game 4 of NLCS to give him max rest before you use him, so he would only pitch 1 game of NLCS.
2) If you are pitching Cueto in the NLCS, then Leake is on the roster, because you need to plan to have him for an all hands on deck situation in Game 4 if Cueto falters. So you might get Leake pitching NLCS game 4 any way.

Given those 2 condition, I think they should sacrifice the possibility of Cueto pitching game 4 of NLCS and DL him, then you get the best 2 options of winning a 3rd game in the NLDS. Leake vs Zito and Latos versus Cain at this point are the 2 matchups possibilities that give Reds best chance of winning a 3rd NLDS game. Without that 3rd NLDS win, the NLCS conversation never takes place.

smixsell
10-10-2012, 11:27 AM
He he he. I'm got u guys tonight, despite my hurt calve. Good game.

We are hungry and I the Hunter am hunting for another victory tomorrow. Now if you guys pull it off I'll be a good sport. But we are hungry and ready to come alive.

OK big bad wolf. :p

smixsell
10-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Don't forget, the only good leak is a Mike Leake! :thumbup:

I have confidence in Leake, especially in the "less homer freindly October GABP." Go get em Mike!

Go Reds!:usa:

mivers176
10-10-2012, 11:33 AM
I say go Leake today and save Latos if game 5 is needed. I saw Mo Egger says in his blog this morning he'd have a short leash with Leake and if needed go to Latos again out of the bullpen, I disagree. I think give Leake a shot- have a quick hook and go to our bullpen immediately if we fall behind by 2-3 early. Lecure, Simon, etc to try to get to the 7-8th.

You have to have Latos ready for game 5 IMO just in case. That way if we dont need game 5, you have him for game 1 of LCS assuming Cueto is not available.

dubc47834
10-10-2012, 11:44 AM
I say go Leake today and save Latos if game 5 is needed. I saw Mo Egger says in his blog this morning he'd have a short leash with Leake and if needed go to Latos again out of the bullpen, I disagree. I think give Leake a shot- have a quick hook and go to our bullpen immediately if we fall behind by 2-3 early. Lecure, Simon, etc to try to get to the 7-8th.

You have to have Latos ready for game 5 IMO just in case. That way if we dont need game 5, you have him for game 1 of LCS assuming Cueto is not available.

I don't really like this train of thought. I say go Latos in game 4 because of Zito pitching. We are more apt to score some runs off of him than we are Cain in game 5. So...since we should get some more scoring oppurtunities today, throw someone that will give us a better chance to win today. Then you can come back with Arroyo and Bailey in the next round. Remember that if we win today we will get a few days off so that will help. I say get this over today and 1 we save Cueto for next round if he can get healthy, if not we can still use Leake. Just my opinion, to each his own!!! GO REDS!!!!

:deadhorse::redszone:

Carin4Narron
10-10-2012, 12:12 PM
It's official...it's Mike Leake!!:alcohol::alcohol:

Can anyone CONFIRM that for sure. It's probably true. But nobody knows THAT for sure. The way the Reds handle this stituation is SOPHMORTIC-sp Say No comment on the game 4 starter and do not have misinformation all over the place on Johnny C. Very bad P.R.

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 12:21 PM
no official confirmation. ESPN is reporting it, citing sources. You also had Bailey saying it last night.

This doesn't make it so, but the wind is sure blowing in that direction.

Carin4Narron
10-10-2012, 12:27 PM
Who are the Reds trying to fool or what are they trying to prove. Make a decision or make it public. It's these kinda of things make me scared that the Reds aren't ready for prime time!

mivers176
10-10-2012, 12:35 PM
they did. its Leake. supposed announced at 11.30 reported by Lindsay Patterson, MO Egger, also on the Sportsbooks he's listed as the starter.

LexRedsFan
10-10-2012, 12:35 PM
Who are the Reds trying to fool or what are they trying to prove. Make a decision or make it public. It's these kinda of things make me scared that the Reds aren't ready for prime time!

With Bailey saying it last night and all the smoke, I feel like the decision has been made and it's Leake. The Reds probably are just trying to keep the Giants off balance by not announcing it until the last minute.

webbbj
10-10-2012, 12:36 PM
Fact of the matter is Latos gives us the best shot to win today or tomorrow.

Leake is probably on par with Zito and w/ homefield the Reds are probably the slightest of favorites.

But if we use Latos and lose we become the underdawg in game 5 in a potential Arroyo vs Cain matchup.

Starting Leake to day and Latos tommorow makes us favorites in both games. Starting Latos today makes us favorites in one game.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 12:43 PM
Per Fay, the Reds have confirmed that Leake will start today. Leake replaces Cueto on the roster.

If needed, Latos starts tomorrow.

Krawhitham
10-10-2012, 12:52 PM
Leake
Leake
Leake

I would have rather had a bullpen game

I have no faith in Leake

Dude has a 5.54 ERA in GABP with a .313 BBA

He also has a 6.25 ERA in day games

He had a 5.48 ERA in SEPT
he had a 5.27 ERA after the All-Star game


This is going to come down to a game 5


To say Zito is on par with Leake is crazy
Zito had 15 wins, 7 on the road with a 4.34 ERA

Falcon7
10-10-2012, 12:55 PM
Per Fay, the Reds have confirmed that Leake will start today. Leake replaces Cueto on the roster.


^^ Confirmed.

Krawhitham
10-10-2012, 01:01 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – October 10, 2012

REDS DIVISION SERIES ROSTER SUBSTITUTION APPROVED

Major League Baseball announced today that it has approved a roster substitution for the Cincinnati Reds due to an injury sustained by right-handed pitcher Johnny Cueto. Cueto will be replaced on the Division Series roster by right-handed pitcher Mike Leake.
MLB Postseason rules provide that a Club may request permission from the Commissioner’s Office to replace a player who is unable to play because of an injury. The Commissioner’s Office may approve or disapprove the request based on the specific facts and circumstances. In accordance with the rules, Cueto will be ineligible to return in the National League Championship Series, but would be eligible to return for the World Series if the Reds advance.

mgbrown66
10-10-2012, 01:24 PM
The bigger deal here is not having Cueto for the NLCS.

mivers176
10-10-2012, 01:32 PM
The bigger deal here is not having Cueto for the NLCS.

Not really, we arent there yet.

rgslone
10-10-2012, 01:36 PM
The bigger deal here is not having Cueto for the NLCS.

In my opinion, not having Cueto makes the Reds a clear underdog in the next series (assuming they get there, which I think will still happen) - and that's regardless of whether they face the Cardinals or the Nationals.

bmwreds31
10-10-2012, 02:00 PM
In my opinion, not having Cueto makes the Reds a clear underdog in the next series (assuming they get there, which I think will still happen) - and that's regardless of whether they face the Cardinals or the Nationals.

It really sucks they couldnt avoid this situation somehow. Losing cueto for NLCS should have been an absolute last resort type decision.

DocRed
10-10-2012, 02:12 PM
It really sucks they couldnt avoid this situation somehow. Losing cueto for NLCS should have been an absolute last resort type decision.

They could have....just deactivate Cairo and keep Cueto available for the NLCS.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 02:15 PM
They could have....just deactivate Cairo and keep Cueto available for the NLCS.

Wrong. You have to replace a pitcher with a pitcher, position player for position players and all in series moves have to be approved by MLB.

smixsell
10-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Leake
Leake
Leake

I would have rather had a bullpen game

I have no faith in Leake

Dude has a 5.54 ERA in GABP with a .313 BBA

He also has a 6.25 ERA in day games

He had a 5.48 ERA in SEPT
he had a 5.27 ERA after the All-Star game


This is going to come down to a game 5


To say Zito is on par with Leake is crazy
Zito had 15 wins, 7 on the road with a 4.34 ERA

Ball not carrying in October at GABP same as in the Summer. My biggest concern is Leake being on too much rest. Still, I think Leake shuts the Giants down and we win today.

Go get em Mike!

DocRed
10-10-2012, 03:51 PM
Wrong. You have to replace a pitcher with a pitcher, position player for position players and all in series moves have to be approved by MLB.

Link?

dubc47834
10-10-2012, 03:54 PM
Link?

I don't have a link...but he is definately right. Thats all thats been talked about by the broadcast since Cueto went down.

Girevik
10-10-2012, 04:27 PM
Wrong. You have to replace a pitcher with a pitcher, position player for position players and all in series moves have to be approved by MLB.

Not only does it have to be pitcher-for-pitcher, but it's DL move so the guy has to be injured. You'd have to convince MLB that the guy you're taking off the roster is really hurt.