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malcontent
10-10-2012, 12:21 AM
Makes too much sense against Zito.

We'll get to see Rolen try to sink yet another flare to RF instead.

:bang:

CaliBuck
10-10-2012, 12:22 AM
Unfortunately Rolen is just physically done. It's time for the Todd-father to get a start.

1940757690
10-10-2012, 12:38 AM
Seems like this has been discussed on a lot of threads before and since tonight's game.

Yep, he should replace Rolen in the lineup.

Nope, he probably won't.

EMAW
10-10-2012, 12:38 AM
Rolen plays

Ironman92
10-10-2012, 12:39 AM
My money says Rolen/Stubbs

I'd like to see Rolen/Heisey....Dusty won't sit Stubbs versus a lefty.

texasdave
10-10-2012, 12:41 AM
Zito is one of the few pitchers around that Rolen can take deep. He is in the lineup. He may yak one.

texasdave
10-10-2012, 12:41 AM
Stubbs will be in the lineup and probably stink it up for four at-bats.

RedTruck
10-10-2012, 12:47 AM
Makes too much sense against Zito.

We'll get to see Rolen try to sink yet another flare to RF instead.

:bang:

It's funny. If reds win the world series and never give Fraizer an at-bat than no one would even care about all of this. :laugh:

malcontent
10-10-2012, 12:56 AM
It's funny. If reds win the world series and never give Fraizer an at-bat than no one would even care about all of this. :laugh:
Big "if".

Point is to put the best lineup out there.

Krawhitham
10-10-2012, 12:58 AM
Makes too much sense against Zito.

We'll get to see Rolen try to sink yet another flare to RF instead.

:bang:

It's a day game after a night game right?

RedTruck
10-10-2012, 01:00 AM
Big "if".

Point is to put the best lineup out there.

Defense is just as important as offense.

Look at the Braves game against the Cardinals. 3 errors was there dagger.

I still trust Rolen's defense more than fraizer. just how it is.

Redlegs Homer
10-10-2012, 01:02 AM
It's funny. If reds win the world series and never give Fraizer an at-bat than no one would even care about all of this. :laugh:

Hard to imagine a Reds World Series without Frazier getting an at-bat though. That's the thing.

1940757690
10-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Defense is just as important as offense.

Look at the Braves game against the Cardinals. 3 errors was there dagger.

I still trust Rolen's defense more than fraizer. just how it is.

Hmmm. I don't know. Unlike football, where your D can run a pick back for a TD or you have a wonky thin guy on the sidelines who can kick for a score, in baseball, if you have no offense, you lose. If you have terrible defense, you can still win (Braves Wildcard fiasco notwithstanding). Maybe baseball in 2050 will let the fielding team earn half-run credits for robbing a HR or making ESPN's Top 10 Plays list.

Academic debate I suppose.

malcontent
10-10-2012, 01:15 AM
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/09/shaky-rolen-should-take-a-seat-in-game-4/related/

LexRedsFan
10-10-2012, 01:17 AM
It's a day game after a night game right?

It only starts an hour after tonight's game, so who really knows what to call it. Fricking Selig..

redsrolen
10-10-2012, 02:10 AM
Scotty's friend here & I don't care who you start...If you can win with Frazier then do it...I just want to win...but never think that Frazier is a better third baseman than Scotty...maybe he will be someday after he gets his eighth gold glove...Maybe Frazier starts & looks like an allstar...I'll root for him like crazy...I JUST WANT TO WIN!! But if you blame that loss totally on Scott then you're a fool....4 hits & he was one of them & he got robbed of a walk...By the way Frazier has been up twice & doesn't have a hit...but....if he gets hot...I'll be the first person to say put him in!! Just remember he is 26 & never played in a playoff game & he was awful in Sept...even worse than Scott...At the moment I'm more concerned about Votto looking injured...really injured...Stubbs...well almost everyone...We should have had hits tonight & no one stepped up...Add Leake to it & I almost throw up....

ukwazoo
10-10-2012, 02:30 AM
8 gold gloves is in the past. This current edition of Rolen is miles away from gold glove caliber. He has 2 errors in 3 games, but he should have 3! Remember game 1 when BP dove behind first backing up the play & saved extra bases? That was Rolen's throw & had the runner gone to 3rd, it's error #3. Not even Encarnacion was that terrible.

Frazier is 0-2? Because he's pinch-hitting. Cold. Give him 4 AB per game.

Norm Chortleton
10-10-2012, 03:20 AM
It will be interesting to see what Dusty does. In limited abs, Frazier (3-5) has fared better vs. Zito than Rolen (2-7). Votto (.167) is about the only Red who has not handled Zito.

dubc47834
10-10-2012, 09:21 AM
Hmmm. I don't know. Unlike football, where your D can run a pick back for a TD or you have a wonky thin guy on the sidelines who can kick for a score, in baseball, if you have no offense, you lose. If you have terrible defense, you can still win (Braves Wildcard fiasco notwithstanding). Maybe baseball in 2050 will let the fielding team earn half-run credits for robbing a HR or making ESPN's Top 10 Plays list.

Academic debate I suppose.

You can also have an outstanding defense and a crappy offense and win games...just look at our record this year man. For either way to be done you have to be either REALLY REALLY good on defense, or REALLY REALLY good on defense. Jus sayin man!!!

ukwazoo
10-10-2012, 10:29 AM
I'd also like to see Heisey out there. But, Heisey & Frazier > Stubbs & Rolen all year. Yet the latter is still starting.

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 10:51 AM
Scotty's friend here & I don't care who you start...If you can win with Frazier then do it...I just want to win...but never think that Frazier is a better third baseman than Scotty...maybe he will be someday after he gets his eighth gold glove...Maybe Frazier starts & looks like an allstar...I'll root for him like crazy...I JUST WANT TO WIN!! But if you blame that loss totally on Scott then you're a fool....4 hits & he was one of them & he got robbed of a walk...By the way Frazier has been up twice & doesn't have a hit...but....if he gets hot...I'll be the first person to say put him in!! Just remember he is 26 & never played in a playoff game & he was awful in Sept...even worse than Scott...At the moment I'm more concerned about Votto looking injured...really injured...Stubbs...well almost everyone...We should have had hits tonight & no one stepped up...Add Leake to it & I almost throw up....

for someone who admonished us to keep it positive, you seem to be throwing a few Reds under the bus in your defense of Rolen.

texasdave
10-10-2012, 10:53 AM
That play by Rolen should have been ruled a hit. That was tough, tough play to make and if Arias had been of average speed, Rolen would have made it. I don't think Frazier gets it done there.

JMO.

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 10:59 AM
That play by Rolen should have been ruled a hit. That was tough, tough play to make and if Arias had been of average speed, Rolen would have made it. I don't think Frazier gets it done there.

JMO.

It was a tough play and I am skeptical as well about Frazier making it....but an error was absolutely the correct call. It would not have taken an extrarordinary defensive effort to field it cleanly.....and if he'd fielded it cleanly, we'd have gotten the out.

I trust Dusty to make the right call - he's been perfect thus far - but if it were me, I'd go with Frazier tonight. It's not that I think Frazier is a better fielder. It's just that Rolen's advantage in this department is not nearly what it normally is. And I like Frazier's power. If we were going to win last night, it was going to be off a home run.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 11:13 AM
If Frazier were to get a start I believe it will be tonight and not tomorrow (hopefully not needed). Despite the error, a tough error to be sure though, Rolen is the better defensive player and that is where the premium is in this series.

However, also in Frazier's corner tonight, are decent stats (albeit limited) against Zito.

smixsell
10-10-2012, 11:24 AM
Frazier would have been my choice at 3B in every game, but he DEFINITELY should start tonight IMO. Probably won't though, as Dusty has a hard time distinguishing between current ability and career ability.

mivers176
10-10-2012, 11:29 AM
I think you gotta give Frazier a shot to start a game. We need something to spark the offense (again) after last night- looked too much like all our September games. Granted Rolen had one of the 4 hits last night as 'his friend' above pointed out, yet it was a dribbler that didnt reach 3b so not sure I give it that much credit when the decision between who to play today is made.

For what its worth, that was the most disappointing game I've ever attended last night, was just so let down after all the build up & excitement to watch us throw that one away with baserunning mistake, walks/hit batters/sacs, passed ball & error.

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 12:45 PM
Looks like Frazier at 3B today and Navarro is catching. I'll post the lineup when it is officially out.

goreds2
10-10-2012, 12:51 PM
Looks like Frazier at 3B today and Navarro is catching. I'll post the lineup when it is officially out. Please do!

Falcon7
10-10-2012, 01:04 PM
Rolen and Hanigan are both benched today! I'm SHOCKED!

P.E.R#14
10-10-2012, 01:14 PM
If Hannigan doesn't allow the pass ball, Rolen's error leaves the game tied, bases loaded, two outs. Still a chance.

Regardless, the loss keeps the guys from sitting for four days before playing again. Stay fresh.

Great things are happening in Cincinnati right now! I Love it!


Go Reds!!

Who Dey Time
10-10-2012, 01:22 PM
Please do!

Lineup posted in today's game thread.

redsrolen
10-10-2012, 04:35 PM
for someone who admonished us to keep it positive, you seem to be throwing a few Reds under the bus in your defense of Rolen.

Are you serious?? Did I say I just wanted to win?? I'm sorry, I thought I did...I will root like crazy for Frazier!!! I think he's an amazing athlete that will have a crazy good career & I think he can turn out to be a great 3rd baseman...I hope he gets a hit everytime he's up!! I have alot of other concerns tonight...Praying that Mike Leake pitches an all time game!!

All I said was Scott was better defensively now...On MlB this morning they asked Jimmy Rollins if they replace Scott & he yelled out & laughed & said " NO WAY"...as did every other former player & commentater...I'm surprised they didn't call you to get your advice...Understand this...I would like to see Scott play but if Frazier can do it....then Scotty sits...period...We need this game & I'm rooting for Todd Frazier to win it for us!!!!!:D

Biff Pocoroba
10-10-2012, 05:09 PM
I didn't say you don't want them to win. You wouldn't be here if that were the case. I was just pointing out that some of the comments about players wasn't exactly in keeping with your positive energy admonition of about a week ago.

as for Frazier/Rolen, I said that if asked (hypothetically of course), I'd go with Frazier today. But ultimately, I'm fine with whomever Dusty chooses. He's pushed all the right buttons thus far.

redsrolen
10-10-2012, 08:19 PM
:laugh::lol::p
Makes too much sense against Zito.

We'll get to see Rolen try to sink yet another flare to RF instead.

:bang:

1940757690
10-10-2012, 08:24 PM
Rolen almost certainly back in tomorrow, right?

More important to me: Hanigan back in.

redsrolen
10-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Rolen almost certainly back in tomorrow, right?

More important to me: Hanigan back in.

Yes on both.....

1940757690
10-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Yes on both.....

Cool. You feeling a bit better? Hope so. :)