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mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:09 PM
1) Take the fight to the Giants - The Reds need to regain some focus and avoid having the pressure of disappointing the home fans. Best way is to get out to an early lead, and keep adding on! (so easy!)

2) Latos going 5 innings or more with 2 runs or less - The Reds simply cannot be counted on to score 5 runs in this environment. I think the hoss will be looking for scalps tomorrow.

3) Votto needs to choke down - enough choking up! wth?

4) The attitude of the team needs to pick up. I think there was visible let down after Tuesday and they let it carry into game 4. Not again. It's time to hit the reset button.

5) Fans need to 'hang with'm' during any early rough patches. The Cincinnati sports fan psyche is a very delicate thing and needs to stay loose and positive!

6) Leadership - Rolen & Votto need to clean it up in the field and finish some rallies at the plate.

I don't know what else. Trying to change the focus from eating our guts out about life as a poor Cincinnati sports fan. Not going to work. It's totally corrosive. If you're going to the game tomorrow, have courage, cheer your heart out, and bring us home some winnin'! WE CAN DO THIS! JUST SAY NO TO SAN FRANCISCO!

_Sir_Charles_
10-10-2012, 09:17 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

UKFlounder
10-10-2012, 09:19 PM
If Latos only goes 5 innings, the Reds are in trouble, IMO. I think he needs to go 7 or more at his very best.

WildcatFan
10-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Agree 100%

Reset the momentum and reset for the NLCS. Latos will get the attitude shift started, and he seems to make it carry over to the rest of the guys.

ONE GAME.

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:24 PM
ONE GAME!

Yes, that's exactly it!

This is no different than a tournament game in any other sport. Every little thing will be important, but the team that shows focused action and aggression will win! Stay Hungry Cincinnati!

Vottomatic
10-10-2012, 09:27 PM
Here's my key to Game 5:


WIN

Ghosts of 1990
10-10-2012, 09:28 PM
Decided to quit being depressed and control my mind and my thoughts. I'm going to think about it not being over until that moment is certain.

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:29 PM
Here's my key to Game 5:


WIN

LOL, you sound hungry!

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:31 PM
Decided to quit being depressed and control my mind and my thoughts. I'm going to think about it not being over until that moment is certain.

:phillips: < It's a beautiful thing.

Vottomatic
10-10-2012, 09:35 PM
I guess I'm just old. Alot of you young'uns are going off the deep end just a bit.

Thankfully, I vividly remember '75, '76, and '90. If you endured the '75 World Series, then this current situation is nothing. If it's meant to be. It'll be. But it's not the end of the world.

Adversity has made this team stronger. Hopefully that strength reappears tomorrow.

Crumbley
10-10-2012, 09:36 PM
I mean, Latos is going to throw a shutout tomorrow. There's nothing to worry about.

George Anderson
10-10-2012, 09:37 PM
I don't know if they are going to win or lose tomorrow but I will be dammed if I am going to go down sobbing like a 9 year old little girl because we might lose tomorrow !!!

Stand up, grow a pair and act like a man for Christsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_Sir_Charles_
10-10-2012, 09:37 PM
I don't know if they are going to win or lose tomorrow but I will be dammed if I am going to act like many on this board and go down sobbing like a 9 year old little girl because we might lose tomorrow !!!

Stand up, grow a pair and act like a man for Christsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah!!! You tell 'em George! :thumbup:

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:39 PM
We've only just begun: http://youtu.be/p_LEBOhtImA

Crumbley
10-10-2012, 09:42 PM
I don't know if they are going to win or lose tomorrow but I will be dammed if I am going to go down sobbing like a 9 year old little girl because we might lose tomorrow !!!

Stand up, grow a pair and act like a man for Christsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely. The guys have played 166 games, weathering storms that would extinguish the season of a lesser team. They are one of the best teams in the history of the franchise. Stick around for 167.

SirFelixCat
10-10-2012, 09:46 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

:thumbup:

SirFelixCat
10-10-2012, 09:47 PM
I don't know if they are going to win or lose tomorrow but I will be dammed if I am going to go down sobbing like a 9 year old little girl because we might lose tomorrow !!!

Stand up, grow a pair and act like a man for Christsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously. People need to chill out, and enjoy tomorrow! Win or lose, been a helluva fun season...regardless of what a few around here are saying. :shrug:

Man up and let's win this thing tomorrow!

Griffey012
10-10-2012, 09:48 PM
Latos is going to take it to the Giants tomorrow, show everyone how good he is and why we traded for him, then we can move on and forget these 2 games even happened.

wheels
10-10-2012, 09:54 PM
Now THIS is the kind of thread I like to see.

It's one game. They have one game to throw everything they've got at them. All hands on deck, and damn the torpedoes.

My kind of game.

I hope they take it to them early and step on their necks. They know they can get to Cain, and he's been scuffling for his last few starts. Bochy has a taxed bullpen and will probably resist yanking Cain at the first sign of trouble. It will be his undoing if that's the case.

I really think the Reds still have the upper hand tomorrow.

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 09:56 PM
Best Defense.

Best Bullpen.

Badass on the mound.

Home crowd.

Votto.

Bruce.

BP.

A roster full of been there, done that heroes.

Tomorrow we must win!

Revering4Blue
10-10-2012, 10:05 PM
Best Defense.

Best Bullpen.

Badass on the mound.

Home crowd.

Votto.

Bruce.

BP.

A roster full of been there, done that heroes.

Tomorrow we will win!

Fixed it for you.

mdccclxix
10-10-2012, 10:37 PM
7) Focus on the fact that the Reds must be the ones to stand up to the Yankees reckless march to spoiling the sport. The work is just beginning!

Vottomatic
10-10-2012, 10:40 PM
Latos is going to take it to the Giants tomorrow, show everyone how good he is and why we traded for him, then we can move on and forget these 2 games even happened.

I'm glad you posted this comment because I've been thinking about how ironic/convenient it is that this thing might all come down to the big trade of the offseason of acquiring Latos.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 10:43 PM
I've got Latos at 20 IP 2 ER vs SF this year.

membengal
10-10-2012, 10:44 PM
The Reds have hit Cain just fine this year, I expect them to continue to do so tomorrow.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 10:47 PM
The Reds have hit Cain just fine this year, I expect them to continue to do so tomorrow.

Cain is good. All I ask of Latos is to go toe to toe with Cain, then let it be a bullpen game. The first team bullpen, not today's guys.

Can't let Cain go all the way so be patient up there.

membengal
10-10-2012, 10:49 PM
Cain is good. All I ask of Latos is to go toe to toe with Cain, then let it be a bullpen game. The first team bullpen, not today's guys.

Can't let Cain go all the way so be patient up there.

Of course Cain is good. And the Reds have had success against him this year anyway. Which I expect to happen again tomorrow. Enough success to stake Latos. That's how this is going to occur.

edabbs44
10-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Thinking a key is Rolen. Need him to set the tone, make sure these guys do not wither away in the biggest game of many of their careers. They need an early strike, one or two runs in the first, take some of the pressure off.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Of course Cain is good. And the Reds have had success against him this year anyway. Which I expect to happen again tomorrow. Enough success to stake Latos. That's how this is going to occur.

I would just say it might be optimistic to "expect" success against Cain. If he shuts them down for 7 innings, you really can't say "that should not have happened".

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 10:54 PM
Thinking a key is Rolen. Need him to set the tone, make sure these guys do not wither away in the biggest game of many of their careers. They need an early strike, one or two runs in the first, take some of the pressure off.

Yep, and going one step further, the top of the first will be huge.

membengal
10-10-2012, 10:57 PM
I would just say it might be optimistic to "expect" success against Cain. If he shuts them down for 7 innings, you really can't say "that should not have happened".

I wouldn't say that. But I also refuse to be a shrinking violet about this game tomorrow. The Reds have hit Cain this year. Based on that, I think they can hit him again. Sue me for refusing to think this is over or that Latos needs to be perfect. I don't see it like that.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 11:05 PM
I wouldn't say that. But I also refuse to be a shrinking violet about this game tomorrow. The Reds have hit Cain this year. Based on that, I think they can hit him again. Sue me for refusing to think this is over or that Latos needs to be perfect. I don't see it like that.

I think they can do it again too. But thinking and expecting are two different horses.

Don't know where you get the strawmen that I said you think it is over or Latos has to be perfect.

The only point I was making is that there is a decent possibility that Cain throws well tomorrow at which point Latos needs to hang with him.

I don't know why the inflammatory "sue me" language needs to come out, I'm just saying Cain is really good and I don't know how prudent it is to expect it (Reds sucess) to continue. I say this with all due respect and hope you can return the favor.

membengal
10-10-2012, 11:10 PM
You started with the strawmen in this deal. Should have just stayed off the board. One glance tonight showed its toxicity.

I expect them to have some success against Cain because they have so far this year doesn't equal me coming on the board to complain if they don't, which is where you went with it.

In any event, carry on. Reds suck. All is loss. Whatever.

Ghosts of 1990
10-10-2012, 11:18 PM
The Giants are 1-5 all-time in winner-take-all postseason games. Their lone win was in Game 5 of the 2002 NLDS against the Braves.

kaldaniels
10-10-2012, 11:19 PM
You started with the strawmen in this deal. Should have just stayed off the board. One glance tonight showed its toxicity.

I expect them to have some success against Cain because they have so far this year doesn't equal me coming on the board to complain if they don't, which is where you went with it.

In any event, carry on. Reds suck. All is loss. Whatever.

You misinterpreted what I said I see.

I said if Cain pitches well you really can't say it was unexpected.

It was intended as a universal "you", not "you will come back on the boards to complain about it". I can see where you viewed it as a direct "you", but I don't see where you got the "come back and complain" part. Nowhere in the vicinity of my intent.

Tom Servo
10-10-2012, 11:20 PM
The Giants are 1-5 all-time in winner-take-all postseason games. Their lone win was in Game 5 of the 2002 NLDS against the Braves.
And I think we all know who their manager was.

redsfaninbsg
10-10-2012, 11:21 PM
I'm trying to warp my mind into the idea that they have a chance. I drove up from Virgina and am camped out in a cheap hotel tonight. This team has broke me in more ways than financially. I purchased all the playoff tickets and had I waited I could have purchased tickets for next to nothing. The hell with it, win the damn game tomorrow.

membengal
10-10-2012, 11:28 PM
I would just say it might be optimistic to "expect" success against Cain. If he shuts them down for 7 innings, you really can't say "that should not have happened".

Sorry for thinking that was directed at me, but it came when you quoted me, and said something I never said.

In any event, I refuse to believe that the one way to win tomorrow is for Latos to have to outduel Cain. I think it is just as likely the Reds plate 3 or 4 and stake Latos to a lead by the 6th.

Ghosts of 1990
10-10-2012, 11:38 PM
And I think we all know who their manager was.

I did not, until you reminded me. :(

powersackers
10-11-2012, 01:35 AM
There is so much math and history on our side. I believe! I feel its my fault. I hardly missed an inning all season and I have been on a west coast business trip since I left town after game two. I have not watched either loss as I was in meetings in the Bay Area and a flight to Seattle. Now I am in Bend Oregon and will watch every pitch of game 5. I can fix this by simply watching. Believe.

OldRightHander
10-11-2012, 01:40 AM
They haven't lost three straight at home all year. Latos is on full rest. The top three bullpen arms are rested. No National League team has blown a 2-0 lead in a five game series. All good enough reasons they should win.

powersackers
10-11-2012, 01:49 AM
They haven't lost three straight at home all year. Latos is on full rest. The top three bullpen arms are rested. No National League team has blown a 2-0 lead in a five game series. All good enough reasons they should win.

Exactly. Only 1 team has blown three in a row at home after winning two in a row on the road in the DS. Just 1. 1 out of nearly 50. This will not be #2 to do it.

GAC
10-11-2012, 04:22 AM
I don't know if they are going to win or lose tomorrow but I will be dammed if I am going to go down sobbing like a 9 year old little girl because we might lose tomorrow !!!

Stand up, grow a pair and act like a man for Christsakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You tell'em George! Even if we lose tomorrow hold on to your dignity as fans.

Some of you would have been climbing up onto roof tops over those 7 games, and one heck of a nail-biting series, with the Red Sox back in '75.

We won the first two in SF (surprised the heck out of me), and I'm sure a majority of SF fans were saying "It's over!". But now they've come back and won the first two here in Cincy to EVEN the series and take it to a final, deciding game 5. It's what baseball, and the post-season, is all about. I'm pumped win or lose.

mdccclxix
10-11-2012, 06:49 AM
I'm trying to warp my mind into the idea that they have a chance. I drove up from Virgina and am camped out in a cheap hotel tonight. This team has broke me in more ways than financially. I purchased all the playoff tickets and had I waited I could have purchased tickets for next to nothing. The hell with it, win the damn game tomorrow.

That's awesome you've made it so far, kudos to you!

cumberlandreds
10-11-2012, 08:29 AM
The key is not getting behind early. If the Reds get behind by two or more runs this game is over. Their bats will tighten up and the outcome won't be good. It's all on Latos early in the game. He can't let the Giants get off to quick start.

The Reds haven't had a decisive game in the playoffs since 1975. This will be the 4th one I have witnessed. They had two of them in 1972. Game five of the 72 playoffs when JB hit a game tying HR in the 9th and won it on a wild pitch later in the inning. Then game 7 of the 72 playoffs in which they lost 3-2 mainly because of a great catch by Joe Rudi.
They lost game 5 of 73 Playoffs to the Mets. Lost decisively too, IIRC. Something like 7-2 and were never in the game. Game 7 of the 75 World Series and all that surrounded it has been talked about many times before on RZ. So I won't rehash that.
You also can throw in the 1999 play in game too. We all know what happened in that one. Anyway just enjoy the game and hope for the best.

bucksfan2
10-11-2012, 08:42 AM
It became evident that Dusty managed game 4 so he could set up game 5 to the best of his advantage. He has Latos, Marshall, Broxton, and Chapman all on regular rest. He also has Arroyo in reserve if need be. Cueto going down really hurt the Reds in that they had to pitch Leake in game 4.

I look at Game 5 and they need a big effort from Latos, especially in the 1st. Quite their bats down early. Cant let guys like Arias and Crawford beat you. If someone on the Giants is going to beat you make it be Posey.

Keep the ball in the yard.

Just win baby!

mdccclxix
10-11-2012, 09:04 AM
Phillips:

#WellDAMN... Everybody, it's not the END OF THE WORLD! Baseball is a game of WHAT IFS! All u can do is give it your BEST w/a SMILE! #BELIEVE

sonny
10-11-2012, 09:28 AM
I'm expecting a win. They've had their backs to the wall before and rose to the challenge.

Not worried.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-11-2012, 09:28 AM
Phillips:#WellDAMN... Everybody, it's not the END OF THE WORLD! Baseball is a game of WHAT IFS! All u can do is give it your BEST w/a SMILE! #BELIEVE

"WHAT IFS"?

Man, datdude, you can say that again. For some reason, I can't get the WHAT IF out of my head since you decided to go for 3rd base in the 1st inning on Tuesday.

berryluther
10-11-2012, 09:34 AM
I think the big key is Latos setting the tone early and gaining confidence. Usually when he has a down game he gives up runs in the first inning.

Secondly, I think Joey needs to put his big boy panties on, stop choking up and swing the bat.

Joseph
10-11-2012, 09:36 AM
Just bought tickets. I am going. I will be witness to a win.

UKFlounder
10-11-2012, 09:40 AM
But by which team? :lol:

Go Reds!



Just bought tickets. I am going. I will be witness to a win.

WildcatFan
10-11-2012, 10:20 AM
Just bought tickets. I am going. I will be witness to a win.

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PuffyPig
10-11-2012, 10:23 AM
Secondly, I think Joey needs to put his big boy panties on, stop choking up and swing the bat.


Big boys don't wear panties. At least not here in Canada.

George Anderson
10-11-2012, 10:23 AM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4674896565044303&pid=15.

mdccclxix
10-11-2012, 10:37 AM
This offense needs to feast!

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