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Rojo
10-11-2012, 05:09 PM
That's all.

fearofpopvol1
10-11-2012, 05:10 PM
I think every Reds fan can get behind this.

OnBaseMachine
10-11-2012, 05:11 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

Tom Servo
10-11-2012, 05:12 PM
I'll watch the AL playoffs, that's it.

westofyou
10-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

Bite yer tongue

Rojo
10-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

I live in SF so a Giants win would be fun, although I'm having a hard time admitting that right now. The A's would be great, as would the Nats or the O's or the Tigers.

So, considering the year I'm having, I' pretty sure we'll get a Yanks-Cards WS.

Spitball
10-11-2012, 05:53 PM
So, considering the year I'm having, I' pretty sure we'll get a Yanks-Cards WS.
Ugh! It would be difficult, but I'd be rooting against both.

Redlegs
10-11-2012, 07:10 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

If THAT don't get u suspended, nothing will. :thumbdown:

Redlegs
10-11-2012, 07:12 PM
The Cards lose to the Nats and the whining and beyotching has begun on stltoday.com. And they wonder why Cardinal Nation has their reputation.

AtomicDumpling
10-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

I reported you to the mods for this.

Slyder
10-12-2012, 03:08 PM
The Cards lose to the Nats and the whining and beyotching has begun on stltoday.com. And they wonder why Cardinal Nation has their reputation.

See the sig. For me to route for the Cards would be paramount to me cheering for New England, will not EVER happen under ANY circumstances. I don't care if they win gets my teams into the playoffs. I will NEVER cheer for any Card player, manager, or anyone in the org to do anything.

OldRightHander
10-12-2012, 03:11 PM
Honestly, after this, I don't care if the Cardinals win it all again.

Something's not quite right about a team that finishes 9 games behind you in the division winning the World Series.

oneupper
10-12-2012, 03:41 PM
Something's not quite right about a team that finishes 9 games behind you in the division winning the World Series.

So said the Brewers last year. (Well, it was 6 games, but still).

AtomicDumpling
10-12-2012, 03:43 PM
Something's not quite right about a team that finishes 9 games behind you in the division winning the World Series.

Yeah a World Series title isn't what it used to be.

sonny
10-12-2012, 04:47 PM
Yeah a World Series title isn't what it used to be.

I'd take one.

RichRed
10-12-2012, 06:18 PM
I hope the Cardinals lose 70 to -3.

mbgrayson
10-12-2012, 06:52 PM
I hope the Cardinals lose 70 to -3.

I'd rather they lost 4-3 on a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 9th given up by Chris Carpenter.

RedsManRick
10-12-2012, 07:06 PM
Agreed! It's not that I personally hate the Cards, other than Carpenter. It's just that I can take any more of the media fawning over them. The Nats and Orioles are both great stories this year and I really hope that's the World Series. Speaking of which, the O's offense better get it's butt in gear ASAP.

MWM
10-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Agreed! It's not that I personally hate the Cards, other than Carpenter. It's just that I can take any more of the media fawning over them. The Nats and Orioles are both great stories this year and I really hope that's the World Series. Speaking of which, the O's offense better get it's butt in gear ASAP.

I used to be indifferent about the Cards. But one of my closest friends I met about 7 years ago is a rabid Cards fan, and although he's probably not representative of their fanbase, he's become insufferable about how great they are. At some point you get tired of hearing, from them even, how great they are as fans. Self-righteousness is one of my least favorite characteristics. Give me loud and obnoxious over self-righteous any day. Be arrogant about the team, that's cool. But they've become arrogant about themselves.

CarolinaRedleg
10-12-2012, 08:42 PM
Anybody but SF.



Yeah, I'm bitter.

Revering4Blue
10-12-2012, 08:53 PM
Anybody but SF.



Yeah, I'm bitter.

See, I view it all differently. IMHO, should the Giants go on to win it all, it makes the Reds' loss not look as bad in retrospect because no other team will have beaten the Giants, either.

That stated, it is time for some new blood. Go Nats!

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Nationals off to a big start. A double, triple and home run by the first 3 batters. 3-0 Nationals

oneupper
10-12-2012, 08:57 PM
Nationals off to a big start. A double, triple and home run by the first 3 batters. 3-0 Nationals

I may have to rethink my position on the existence of God. :)

Tadasimha
10-12-2012, 08:59 PM
See, I view it all differently. IMHO, should the Giants go on to win it all, it makes the Reds' loss not look as bad in retrospect because no other team will have beaten the Giants, either.

That stated, it is time for some new blood. Go Nats!

So long as the Cards are out, I honestly don't care who wins the NL, although I'd rather my team lose to the eventual champion than to the also ran. I always root for the NL over the AL.

oneupper
10-12-2012, 09:01 PM
And then Wainwright strikes out the side. :(

I'll check the results tomorrow.

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 09:33 PM
Harper homers. 4-0 Nationals

Dom Heffner
10-12-2012, 09:38 PM
I may have to rethink my position on the existence of God. :)

Not sure if I'm helping or hurting a cause here, guys, but I said a prayer that the Cardinals lose.

Yeah, I know. I'm human. :)

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Now 6-0 Nationals as Morse homers

757690
10-12-2012, 09:40 PM
I'm going to miss MikeTheiry posting here :cool:

fearofpopvol1
10-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Hoping for a Tigers/Nationals World Series. Either team winning would be fine by me. I don't mind San Fran either. Anyone but the Cards/Yanks.

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Absolutely pulling for Washington the rest of the postseason

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2012, 09:57 PM
Lets see if the Cardinals are made of the same fight we had after getting down 6-0.

RedFanAlways1966
10-12-2012, 10:01 PM
Pretty cool picture my brother took from his balcony in DC tonight.

westofyou
10-12-2012, 10:06 PM
Lets see if the Cardinals are made of the same fight we had after getting down 6-0.

In 2004 SABR had their convention in Cincinnati several of us RZ's went to it, Sandy and I actually presented a piece on the 1st HR hit over a fence in Cincinnati history (ain't that a thrilling topic!!) anyway, one of the presenters was Dave Smith the guy who runs Retrosheet If you don't know about Retrosheet (http://www.retrosheet.org/) check it out, it's the bomb( His presentation was on the data of runs scored, really a fascinating piece, generally the data shows that a team that wins games with large crooked numbers tend to score them in one inning, and thus create huge hills to climb to overcome (the key is HUGE) most don't do it, I believe that like the Reds we are seeing it applied tonight to our Central rivals

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 10:24 PM
In 2004 SABR had their convention in Cincinnati several of us RZ's went to it, Sandy and I actually presented a piece on the 1st HR hit over a fence in Cincinnati history (ain't that a thrilling topic!!) anyway, one of the presenters was Dave Smith the guy who runs Retrosheet If you don't know about Retrosheet (http://www.retrosheet.org/) check it out, it's the bomb( His presentation was on the data of runs scored, really a fascinating piece, generally the data shows that a team that wins games with large crooked numbers tend to score them in one inning, and thus create huge hills to climb to overcome (the key is HUGE) most don't do it, I believe that like the Reds we are seeing it applied tonight to our Central rivals


Well Davey is doing his Dusty act and not getting anyone up in the bullpen as Gio is losing the zone and looking flustered. 6-2 bases loaded and 1 out and you still had no one up?

757690
10-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Well Davey is doing his Dusty act and not getting anyone up in the bullpen as Gio is losing the zone and looking flustered. 6-2 bases loaded and 1 out and you still had no one up?

Clearly, the Nat's should fire him ;)

Slyder
10-12-2012, 10:26 PM
I'd rather they lost 4-3 on a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 9th given up by Chris Carpenter.

After Yadier Molina allows the tying run to score by throwing error.

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 10:26 PM
Well Davey is doing his Dusty act and not getting anyone up in the bullpen as Gio is losing the zone and looking flustered. 6-2 bases loaded and 1 out and you still had no one up?

Gio Gonzalez needs to get his head on straight.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 10:28 PM
Clearly the sarcasm is fun.....but man this is the Cards and do we really want to see some sort of comeback that You and I know...they are capable of?

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2012, 10:33 PM
This game has similarities to ours yesterday.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 10:50 PM
Kozma.....the Eckstien and Denny Doyle of 2012 playoffs.

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 11:07 PM
The Nationals bring Edwin Jackson in to relieve. Are they trying to lose this game

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:08 PM
The Nationals bring Edwin Jackson in to relieve. Are they trying to lose this game

You beat me to it. I mean really?? This guy? Is Dick Bosman not available? Darrell Knowels maybe?

Chip R
10-12-2012, 11:09 PM
6-4 now.

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 11:10 PM
Now 6-4. I still can't get over Jackson. The guy got pounded in this series do you count on him to hold this lead

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:12 PM
Everyone else must be tired or something. The offense did it's job but they need to now pick up these pitchers. Gio basically messed up the game for them by only being able to go 5.

Tornon
10-12-2012, 11:14 PM
If Jackson gets 1 more out, I assume Clippard & Storen will be fine for 8-9

Tornon
10-12-2012, 11:15 PM
Huge

Revering4Blue
10-12-2012, 11:17 PM
Whew! The Nats need some insurance runs in the worst way.

They just can't seem to scrape the Cards off of their shoes.

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 11:34 PM
Ugh. Descalso homers. Now 6-5

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 11:34 PM
You have got to be kidding me.

reds1869
10-12-2012, 11:34 PM
No worries. Just making sure the loss is as painful as possible for St. Louis.

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 11:36 PM
Pete Kozma just popped out to the mystical infield fly zone he helped create.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:43 PM
Descalso hitting a homer? Sure why not. Cards have MI off the bench doing their thing with such ease and aplomb.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:53 PM
The saying of whoever makes a great defensive play always seems to come up....the next inning is always used.... But to me.... the team that has a rally going especially with 0 outs and does not score...usually ends up giving up the lead the next inning...is something that i see happen a lot more.

And it looks like it could happen again.

Reds Fanatic
10-12-2012, 11:55 PM
A big insurance run. 7-5 Nationals

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:55 PM
Clutch just happened. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:01 AM
Uh oh. Leadoff double for Beltran

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:03 AM
Dead down the middle, called a ball.

I honestly feel like sometimes there's weird stuff going on between the Cards and umps

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:05 AM
1 out away

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Having Molina make the last out would be perfect

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:09 AM
Drew Storen. C'mon man.

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:10 AM
Freese making last out is almost as nice

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2012, 12:11 AM
Well i could care less right now if Tito Landrum made the last out....just make an out.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:12 AM
lol this is ridiculous

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:12 AM
Freese making last out is almost as nice

Please don't say that about the next hitter if there is one.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:13 AM
now it's just stupid

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:13 AM
Unreal. Bases loaded

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2012, 12:14 AM
It's getting stupid up in here.

Now this is a choke job......cereal.

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:14 AM
R u serious?

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:14 AM
You are kidding me, this isn't happening.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:14 AM
baseball sucks

Chip R
10-13-2012, 12:14 AM
You have to be kidding me.

Kc61
10-13-2012, 12:15 AM
LaRussa is just lucky. Oh, wait . . . .

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:15 AM
I am convinced someone sold their soul to Satan in exchange for the Cardinals never losing in the postseason

Razor Shines
10-13-2012, 12:15 AM
We have trained for the Fra Mauro Highlands and this is flight surgeon horse poop!!


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Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:16 AM
They shouldn't even be in the ***damn playoffs, the first year ever of this stupid wild card format and it 100% benefits the freaking Cardinals.

Tornon
10-13-2012, 12:16 AM
If the Nats lose this now, this may end up more painful for them than it was for the Reds

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 12:16 AM
Why in hell would they let Descalso take 2nd????

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:17 AM
OMG

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:17 AM
God I hate the Cardinals

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:17 AM
I might not ever watch baseball again.

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
I might not ever watch baseball again.

I'm done for tonight. NO WAY the Nats come back from that....

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
We were down 6 runs in the 5th game and could not get the job done. I was thinking if the Cards could come back from this and win it would just be salt in the wound. This makes our loss look even worse and hurt more.

9-7 cards...

I hate them.

smith288
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
This is infuriating. They do the **** the Reds can't. But the Cards, yep. Stubbs could play for the Cardinals and he will be a .325 hitter with 50 SB.

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
You think the Cardinal fans were annoying before. They will never shut up now

REDSEER
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
This is like Miguel Cairo and Wilson Valdez getting two clutch hits to tie the game up. Why do scrubs turn superstars for this team?

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
LaRussa is just lucky. Oh, wait . . . .

Curse of Branch Rickey

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:19 AM
Why can't I be a Cardinal fan?:bash::bash:

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:20 AM
4 runs with 2 outs...down to their strike...

smith288
10-13-2012, 12:20 AM
Im pretty sure if I was Storen, I'd body slam that umpire. That call on the corner gets called 9 times out of 10 when there's 2 strikes.

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2012, 12:20 AM
They are the epitome of how now the baseball regular season means nothing.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:20 AM
83 wins - World Series Champion
90 wins, 2nd in division - World Series Champion
88 wins, 2nd in division - NCLS at the very least


Just stupid.

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:21 AM
Go Tigers!

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:21 AM
If the giants had the Nats BP we'd sll be happier tonight

Matt700wlw
10-13-2012, 12:21 AM
I'm not sure I can do this if the Cards win...

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:21 AM
Im pretty sure if I was Storen, I'd body slam that umpire. That call on the corner gets called 9 times out of 10 when there's 2 strikes.

Like I said, I'm not 100 percent convinced there isn't something happening between the umps and Cardinals.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:21 AM
Im pretty sure if I was Storen, I'd body slam that umpire. That call on the corner gets called 9 times out of 10 when there's 2 strikes.
Yeah I have no idea how he wasn't rung up.

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:22 AM
Im pretty sure if I was Storen, I'd body slam that umpire. That call on the corner gets called 9 times out of 10 when there's 2 strikes.

Yes that was way more a strike than the pitch to Hanigan yesterday

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 12:22 AM
I hate sports and how luck just shines on the same teams over and over.

The Reds dominate the division and are done playing. The Cards are mediocre, barely get the second wild card - in its first year in existence - and they're in the freaking NLCS.

Yesterday, in the 8th, the Giants turn two dazzling defensive plays to keep the Reds from tying the game. Today the Cards get a ball to trickle off the SS's glove to tie the game.

I just hate sports.

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:23 AM
83 wins - World Series Champion
90 wins, 2nd in division - World Series Champion
88 wins, 2nd in division - NCLS at the very least


Just stupid.

They play their best when the bright lights come on....they play like champions.

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:23 AM
Like I said, I'm not 100 percent convinced there isn't something happening between the umps and Cardinals.

Insidious betting ring involving the Russian mafia!

smith288
10-13-2012, 12:23 AM
This Motte guy's shoulder should literally fall off with how bad his motion is.

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 12:23 AM
They play their best when the bright lights come on....they play like champions.

You are drinking the Kool-Aid.

Reds Fanatic
10-13-2012, 12:24 AM
That was the most sickening montage I have ever seen that TBS just ran. Cardinals reborn. Shoot me now

smith288
10-13-2012, 12:24 AM
You are drinking the Kool-Aid man.
Yea... Hi George Grande.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:24 AM
But it's just dumb. Why not let the Astros into the playoffs? Maybe in the bright lights they play like champions too. Because apparently the season doesn't mean jacksquat.

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:25 AM
Strasberg is probably icing his arm now a Rizzos house

Cedric
10-13-2012, 12:25 AM
Give the Cardinals players credit. They take professional approaches at the plate and they make teams pay.

That inning was an offensive clinic under pressure. The exact opposite of what we see from the Reds.

George Anderson
10-13-2012, 12:26 AM
I hate the Cards but Drew Storens dad is a local celebrity and easily one of the worst people I have met in the world of sports. I take great pleasure knowing he is suffering now.

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:26 AM
You are drinking the Kool-Aid.

Just calling a spade a spade...I hate them. How would you describe thier play?

I can take off the "red colored glasses" and be objective.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:26 AM
Give the Cardinals players credit.
No.

fearofpopvol1
10-13-2012, 12:26 AM
I hate the Cards but Drew Storens dad is a local celebrity and easily one of the worst people I have met in the world of sports. I take great pleasure knowing he is suffering now.

I don't think Patrick is a bad guy. Not my favorite, but that seems mean.

George Anderson
10-13-2012, 12:27 AM
I don't think Patrick is a bad guy. Not my favorite, but that seems mean.

Oh he is very bad.

Trust me.

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:28 AM
Cue the second guessing on the Strasburg shut down

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2012, 12:28 AM
Go Giants and Tigers. Never met in a WS. Why not?

Umps screw calls up here and there.....and in these situations you expect him to go with the home side on a close pitch....but the rest was of Storen's doing.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 12:28 AM
Give the Cardinals players credit. They take professional approaches at the plate and they make teams pay.



And they get leprechauns to line their path with gold.

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 12:28 AM
UGLY

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:29 AM
I wish this weren't a family board right this very moment.

fearofpopvol1
10-13-2012, 12:29 AM
Oh he is very bad.

Trust me.

I know him a little bit, he's not bad.

Gizmo
10-13-2012, 12:29 AM
Well, I'm done with baseball for the year now. See you in the spring.

fearofpopvol1
10-13-2012, 12:30 AM
Absolute chokers. Even worse than the Reds. It's just sad that the Reds couldn't make the comeback that the Cards did.

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 12:30 AM
Just calling a spade a spade...I hate them. How would you describe thier play?

I can take off the "red colored glasses" and be objective.

Oh I actually agree with you, as much as I hate to admit it. It does make me sick to my stomach to see them win like this.

I do think they seem to get all the close calls, and amazing luck too though. That hit off the shortstop's glove to tie the game???C'mon! With most MLB shortstops, thats a third out.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:30 AM
Every year since I got heavily back into baseball in 2006 I've been saying 'just somebody please beat the Cardinals'. And every year it eats at me.

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:30 AM
How would we fare againt their offense without Cueto? Seriously.

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 12:31 AM
Go Giants! NEVER EVER give up....

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 12:31 AM
Frankly, I'd rather have lost to SF than lose to the Cardinals in the NLCS. You can't beat a team that repeatedly gets every break in the world.

REDSEER
10-13-2012, 12:31 AM
I can't get over who just got those hits for them.

Descalso, of the career .654 OPS and 5 career HRs in 734 ABs, hits two in a series and goes has three clutch hits in game 5.

Pete Kozma, he of the .654 career minor league OPS, gets the winning hit.

I maintain that this is Miguel Cairo and Paul Janish that just got game winning hits for the Cardinals.

George Foster
10-13-2012, 12:32 AM
Oh I actually agree with you, as much as I hate to admit it. It does make me sick to my stomach to see them win like this.

I do think they seem to get all the close calls, and amazing luck too though. That hit off the shortstop's glove to tie the game???C'mon! With most MLB shortstops, thats a third out.

That ball was smoked...

Razor Shines
10-13-2012, 12:32 AM
I hate the Cards but Drew Storens dad is a local celebrity and easily one of the worst people I have met in the world of sports. I take great pleasure knowing he is suffering now.

Really? My brother played on one of Drew's basketball teams and I know Mark a little and I've always liked him.

I will say that there are a couple occasions where I've seen him treat refs very horribly, like kind of embarrassingly bad. I have a feeling you may have been on the end of that.


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Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 12:33 AM
I wonder if this burns the Reds players half as much as it kills us?

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2012, 12:36 AM
Not even the BRM made comebacks like this in the playoffs ...that the Cards have done these last 2 years.

George Anderson
10-13-2012, 12:37 AM
Really? My brother played on one of Drew's basketball teams and I know Mark a little and I've always liked him.

I will say that there are a couple occasions where I've seen him treat refs very horribly, like kind of embarrassingly bad. I have a feeling you may have been on the end of that.


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Oh Mark and I have a history on and off the field.

Karma bit him in the butt tonight.

Matt700wlw
10-13-2012, 12:42 AM
Both down 6-0.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:47 AM
We didn't make the playoffs because of a pity system of barely being the 5th best team in the NL though.

The Operator
10-13-2012, 12:47 AM
This is why having a second wildcard is STUPID.

5th best team in the league (and 10th best in baseball) now has a shot at the World Series. Only Bud Selig could pull this off.

Ghosts of 1990
10-13-2012, 12:49 AM
After tonight I won't be reading a damn word about baseball until March.

I am so bitter! Things like this never happen to us. Never

Rojo
10-13-2012, 12:53 AM
All four LDS series' went the wrong way. O' ye baseball Gods, what are you trying to tell me?

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:57 AM
All four LDS series' went the wrong way. O' ye baseball Gods, what are you trying to tell me?

That's show business

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 01:00 AM
All four LDS series' went the wrong way. O' ye baseball Gods, what are you trying to tell me?
Yeah, I was literally rooting for every team that was eliminated.

Kc61
10-13-2012, 01:00 AM
Playoff experience. Priceless.

AtomicDumpling
10-13-2012, 01:08 AM
The Cardinals have got to be the luckiest team on the planet. The planets have definitely aligned for them again this year. They get every possible lucky break. Its embarrassing for baseball to see such a mediocre team advance while the best teams get eliminated in crapshoot short series.

How long until baseball realizes the Wild Card cheapens the regular season to the point of total irrelevance? Does the integrity of the World Series mean nothing these days? Might as well give it to another mediocre 2nd place team again this year.

AtomicDumpling
10-13-2012, 01:11 AM
This is why having a second wildcard is STUPID.

5th best team in the league (and 10th best in baseball) now has a shot at the World Series. Only Bud Selig could pull this off.

In the 3rd millenium drama, excitement and cold hard cash money are more important than awarding the championship to the best team. The days of the best team winning the World Series are gone forever. It is just an entertainment spectacle rather than a true test of skill.

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 01:13 AM
Just as I felt the Reds were done in the middle of game 4, I can already tell the Cardinals are (painfully) going to win the World Series again this year.

Baseball sucks right now.

Superdude
10-13-2012, 01:22 AM
I couldn't have written it up worse. We win two on the road and get knocked out, Cardinals advance in a last second halfcourt prayer, Yankees beat the underdog again...just gross. I don't think I'll be watching too much more of this postseason.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 01:25 AM
The playoffs are always going to favor the Wild Card teams, to some degree at least, over the dominant division winners because the WC teams have been in playoff mode for at least a month, battling back and forth with every game meaning something.

The dominant division winners like the Reds, meanwhile, are trying to get ready by giving the Wilson Valdezs and Miguel Cairos at-bats.

A lot of good that does. I'd rather be playing stressful baseball all along than try to flip the light switch back on after chilling for the last month.

The Cards, nowhere near the best team in their division let alone baseball, have figured out this dirty secret and are exploiting it.

vic715
10-13-2012, 03:44 AM
This is why having a second wildcard is STUPID.

5th best team in the league (and 10th best in baseball) now has a shot at the World Series. Only Bud Selig could pull this off.

Yes and they could be playing the Detroit Tigers with the 7th best AL record and the 11th best in Baseball.It stinks but its never going to change for the better, or whatever that is.Its all about the money.

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 03:52 AM
Yes and they could be playing the Detroit Tigers with the 7th best AL record and the 11th best in Baseball.It stinks but its never going to change for the better, or whatever that is.Its all about the money.

Tigers won their division, though.

KronoRed
10-13-2012, 04:07 AM
Not going to get upset at the Cardinals moving on as wild card 2, if baseball went with the real traditional method of only the best team in each league, the Reds wouldn't have been in either, once you let the 2nd in you have already opened the box.

GAC
10-13-2012, 04:20 AM
Just woke up to this news. My Gawd! Being up 2 runs in the 9th, with two outs, a strike away from advancing? Now that was a choke job! ;)

Matt700wlw
10-13-2012, 04:32 AM
9 games out of first, and now the NLCS.

2 Wildcards seems a bit silly.



Braves (4), Nationals (1)
Giants(3), Reds(2)

fearofpopvol1
10-13-2012, 05:19 AM
Yeah, I was literally rooting for every team that was eliminated.

count me in that same camp.

Redhook
10-13-2012, 06:19 AM
What a cruel way to wake up. Stupid Cardinals.

alloverjr
10-13-2012, 07:04 AM
Woke up to this and not suprised. I actually have a freindly wager (made 2 weeks ago) that the Cards would be the NL representative in the WS. One step closer to unfathomable wealth :).

I get rivalries, but I certainly don't get the hatred thrown at the Cardinals. I get the dislike for Carpenter, but the rest of that squad seem like fairly decent kids. Maybe I'm not close enough to the team to know.

Good season to the Nats. Suprised me.

GAC
10-13-2012, 07:34 AM
This is why having a second wildcard is STUPID

I have never liked the WC system in any sport, but we all know why the WC system exists. And MLB, when it expanded from 2 divisions to 3, decided to take a page from the NFL and give a second place team a chance, hoping to create more competitive balance.

But this year's one game winner-take-all WC game was stupid IMO. This is baseball, not football.

I'm old school.... I liked having two divisions in each league and the winners played each other for the pennant. But those days are lonnng gone, never to return because of M-O-N-E-Y.

membengal
10-13-2012, 07:37 AM
I hate baseball.

lollipopcurve
10-13-2012, 07:42 AM
Somebody's going to have to detonate something in the Cards dugout to knock them out of the playoffs.

Going back to September of 2011, the way that team has stayed alive has been incredible. No team I'd rather see lose (OK, except the Yankees), but you have to give them a lot of credit for persevering and prevailing the way they have.

traderumor
10-13-2012, 08:36 AM
Somebody's going to have to detonate something in the Cards dugout to knock them out of the playoffs.

Going back to September of 2011, the way that team has stayed alive has been incredible. No team I'd rather see lose (OK, except the Yankees), but you have to give them a lot of credit for persevering and prevailing the way they have.
I do not have to give them credit ;)

mth123
10-13-2012, 08:43 AM
I'm not a huge fan of wild cards, but the Cardinals were second in the NL in run differential. If the Cards are the NL rep in the WS, its not as outrageous as many are making it out to be.

I think if you have to have a wild card, penalizing them by making them play in a one and done game that the division winners aren't subjected to is better than one where they are bascally treated equally to the division winners.




Team RS RA Dif
Was 731 594 137
St L 765 648 117
Atl 700 600 100
Cin 669 588 81
SF 718 649 69
AZ 734 688 46
Mil 776 733 43
LA 637 597 40
Phi 684 680 4
Pit 651 674 -23
NY 650 709 -59
SD 651 710 -59
Mia 609 724 -115
Col 758 890 -132
Chi 613 759 -146
Hou 583 794 -211

BuckeyeRedleg
10-13-2012, 09:57 AM
It is pointless to root against the Cardinals.

And hating them seems petty and futile to me.

They continue to do what we cannot do and we are jealous.

redsfan30
10-13-2012, 10:04 AM
It is pointless to root against the Cardinals.

And hating them seems petty and futile to me.

They continue to do what we cannot do and we are jealous.

While I will continue to hate and root against the Cardinals, the above is 100% fact.

mbgrayson
10-13-2012, 10:11 AM
While I will continue to hate and root against the Cardinals, the above is 100% fact.

Besides, if we actually root FOR them, they will surely lose....

KronoRed
10-13-2012, 01:04 PM
Besides, if we actually root FOR them, they will surely lose....

Go Cardinals! :D

vaticanplum
10-13-2012, 01:45 PM
Cardinals fans must bathe in glitter and sleep with unicorns.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 02:42 PM
Cardinals fans must bathe in glitter and sleep with unicorns.

nahh... but I do sleep with a rabbits foot underneath my pillow on a nightly basis.

757690
10-13-2012, 03:01 PM
It is pointless to root against the Cardinals.

And hating them seems petty and futile to me.

They continue to do what we cannot do and we are jealous.

I am not jealous. I will never be jealous of an undeserving person who achieves success in unfairly and due to luck.

I thank God that the Reds are not the Cardinals. I would rather lose with dignity than win in disgrace. I am proud that the Reds are not the Cardinals, that they are a far superior, far classier team and organization that plays by the rules.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 03:14 PM
I am not jealous. I will never be jealous of an undeserving person who achieves success in unfairly and due to luck.

I thank God that the Reds are not the Cardinals. I would rather lose with dignity than win in disgrace. I am proud that the Reds are not the Cardinals, that they are a far superior, far classier team and organization that plays by the rules.

I've refrained from commenting here much because I do not want to pour salt in the wounds but this statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here (and I've seen a lot). The Cardinals don't play by the rules? What??? Look, you can hate the Cardinals all you want. I don't mind. It's a Reds forum. However, to accuse a team of cheating, when there is no evidence of them cheating, is below the belt.

By the way, making the playoffs 9 times since 2000, would make the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball if it was all based on luck. There is a reason why they are always in contention to do damage in the division and playoffs. Luck only plays a small part in it.

757690
10-13-2012, 03:21 PM
I've refrained from commenting here much because I do not want to pour salt in the wounds but this statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here (and I've seen a lot). The Cardinals don't play by the rules? What??? Look, you can hate the Cardinals all you want. I don't mind. It's a Reds forum. However, to accuse a team of cheating, when there is no evidence of them cheating, is below the belt.

By the way, making the playoffs 9 times since 2000, would make the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball if it was all based on luck. There is a reason why they are always in contention to do damage in the division and playoffs. Luck only plays a small part in it.

Been beyond lucky the last two seasons. I had respect for them prior to that.

And you know what I'm talking about when I say not playing by the rules. Just ask their hitting coach and former pitching coach, or former players.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/perez-comments-target-cards-pitchers/article_e9afb5f3-afcb-5832-8ca9-8ca8614df292.html


Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, a former member of the Redbirds' bullpen, noted during a subsequent interview with XM Radio that several "older" Cardinal pitchers used various substances during his time with the club.

Red in Chicago
10-13-2012, 03:23 PM
I've refrained from commenting here much because I do not want to pour salt in the wounds but this statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here (and I've seen a lot). The Cardinals don't play by the rules? What??? Look, you can hate the Cardinals all you want. I don't mind. It's a Reds forum. However, to accuse a team of cheating, when there is no evidence of them cheating, is below the belt.

By the way, making the playoffs 9 times since 2000, would make the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball if it was all based on luck. There is a reason why they are always in contention to do damage in the division and playoffs. Luck only plays a small part in it.

Nuff said.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 03:27 PM
Been beyond lucky the last two seasons. I had respect for them prior to that.

And you know what I'm talking about when I say not playing by the rules. Just ask their hitting coach and former pitching coach, or former players.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/perez-comments-target-cards-pitchers/article_e9afb5f3-afcb-5832-8ca9-8ca8614df292.html

LOL yep... Pine tar is how the Cards did it! They would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids! Unbelievable. I'll get off the forum and retire to my hung over stupor now until people cool down on this forum.

westofyou
10-13-2012, 03:29 PM
Mike, I don't hate the Cardinals at all myself, nor do I consider them scum, but I'm wondering why post here at this time about them?

Don't you have some kittens to drown or something? :p

AtomicDumpling
10-13-2012, 03:32 PM
I've refrained from commenting here much because I do not want to pour salt in the wounds but this statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here (and I've seen a lot). The Cardinals don't play by the rules? What??? Look, you can hate the Cardinals all you want. I don't mind. It's a Reds forum. However, to accuse a team of cheating, when there is no evidence of them cheating, is below the belt.

By the way, making the playoffs 9 times since 2000, would make the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball if it was all based on luck. There is a reason why they are always in contention to do damage in the division and playoffs. Luck only plays a small part in it.

The Cardinals were probably the one team that benefited more than any other from steroids. Most people consider that cheating. LaRussa's Athletics were the other biggest steroid cheaters. Coincidence?

And yes most people do consider the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball. They lead a charmed life with all the low-win playoff appearances, benefiting from blown calls (twice in the post-season this year already), and teams collapsing in front of them to give the Cards a chance.

Dusty Baker was also a big beneficiary of steroids while with the Giants and Cubs.

757690
10-13-2012, 03:47 PM
LOL yep... Pine tar is how the Cards did it! They would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids! Unbelievable. I'll get off the forum and retire to my hung over stupor now until people cool down on this forum.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 04:44 PM
The Cardinals were probably the one team that benefited more than any other from steroids. Most people consider that cheating. LaRussa's Athletics were the other biggest steroid cheaters. Coincidence?

And yes most people do consider the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball. They lead a charmed life with all the low-win playoff appearances, benefiting from blown calls (twice in the post-season this year already), and teams collapsing in front of them to give the Cards a chance.

Dusty Baker was also a big beneficiary of steroids while with the Giants and Cubs.

The 1985 Cardinals called. They want their championship back from the Royals.

The 2004 and 2005 Cards also called, they want a dose of that luck as well.

The amount of butt hurt in this forum right now is on comedic levels. Taking your anger out on the Cards for pulling out a victory while your team FAILED to just win one game at home makes some of you look like sore losers. Accusing the Cardinals of cheating and it contributing to their wins makes some of you look low class. Have fun brooding in the off season.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 05:04 PM
Jeff Weaver has definitely shown himself to be a World Series MVP caliber pitcher, both before and after his St. Louis stint. Washed up hasbeens and never weres like Ryan Franklin, Todd Wellemeyer, Rick Ankiel, Aaron Miles, Tony Womack, Abraham Nunez, Scott Spezio, and Chris Duncan definitely contributed to other teams the way they did the Cardinals. Nick Punto hits more doubles at a faster rate for the Cardinals than he does for any other team, because he's just that good. Perennial All-Stars like Lance Berkman and Carlos Beltran who are obviously on the decline in their late 30s find the fountain of youthful production in St. Louis. And of course most glove first catchers go from OPSing .595 the first year their team makes the World Series to OPSing .874 the next time around 5 years later, which is not to forget the .839 and .876 OPS' of 8th round pick Babe Ruth Craig and and 9th round pick Lou Gehrig Freese.

I would say that is more than a 'little bit' of luck.

757690
10-13-2012, 05:06 PM
The 1985 Cardinals called. They want their championship back from the Royals.

The 2004 and 2005 Cards also called, they want a dose of that luck as well.

The amount of butt hurt in this forum right now is on comedic levels. Taking your anger out on the Cards for pulling out a victory while your team FAILED to just win one game at home makes some of you look like sore losers. Accusing the Cardinals of cheating and it contributing to their wins makes some of you look low class. Have fun brooding in the off season.

I've heard of a sore loser before, but only a Cardinal fan could be a sore winner. Seriously, I have been your bigger supporter, but if I were running this board, I would give you a lifetime ban.

NJReds
10-13-2012, 05:09 PM
The amount of butt hurt in this forum right now is on comedic levels. Taking your anger out on the Cards for pulling out a victory while your team FAILED to just win one game at home makes some of you look like sore losers. Accusing the Cardinals of cheating and it contributing to their wins makes some of you look low class. Have fun brooding in the off season.

Just what I want to see on Redszone ... A gloating Cards fan. :barf:

Should've known better than to visit the baseball forum today.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 05:27 PM
I've refrained from commenting here much because I do not want to pour salt in the wounds but this statement is one of the most ridiculous I've seen here (and I've seen a lot). The Cardinals don't play by the rules? What??? Look, you can hate the Cardinals all you want. I don't mind. It's a Reds forum. However, to accuse a team of cheating, when there is no evidence of them cheating, is below the belt.

By the way, making the playoffs 9 times since 2000, would make the Cardinals the luckiest team in the history of baseball if it was all based on luck. There is a reason why they are always in contention to do damage in the division and playoffs. Luck only plays a small part in it.

Why are you even here? I think you want to pour all the salt you can. Isn't there a fellow rat-bird forum for you? You were nowhere to be found a few weeks ago when your team was fading faster than the Rams. Now you're posting every couple of hours.

What a joke.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 05:30 PM
I am not jealous. I will never be jealous of an undeserving person who achieves success in unfairly and due to luck.

I thank God that the Reds are not the Cardinals. I would rather lose with dignity than win in disgrace. I am proud that the Reds are not the Cardinals, that they are a far superior, far classier team and organization that plays by the rules.

:beerme:

If the Reds finished 9 games back in second place, earned the second wild card in the first year it existed, got an umpire-aided win in the WC game, got to open at home against the team with the best record in baseball and got every break imaginable in order to win the series, I'd be happy as a Reds fan.

But man would something always bug me knowing that it was a cheesy way to do it and few fans of other teams respected it.

Superdude
10-13-2012, 05:43 PM
Jeff Weaver has definitely shown himself to be a World Series MVP caliber pitcher, both before and after his St. Louis stint. Washed up hasbeens and never weres like Ryan Franklin, Todd Wellemeyer, Rick Ankiel, Aaron Miles, Tony Womack, Abraham Nunez, Scott Spezio, and Chris Duncan definitely contributed to other teams the way they did the Cardinals. Nick Punto hits more doubles at a faster rate for the Cardinals than he does for any other team, because he's just that good. Perennial All-Stars like Lance Berkman and Carlos Beltran who are obviously on the decline in their late 30s find the fountain of youthful production in St. Louis. And of course most glove first catchers go from OPSing .595 the first year their team makes the World Series to OPSing .874 the next time around 5 years later, which is not to forget the .839 and .876 OPS' of 8th round pick Babe Ruth Craig and and 9th round pick Lou Gehrig Freese.

I would say that is more than a 'little bit' of luck.

This is what gets me more than anything. They just come up aces time and time again on these no name prospects and long shot signings. Freese and Craig went from old, middling prospects to lineup anchors. Jay Bruce was as close to a can't miss superstar as a team can stumble on, and Allen Craig...Allen Craig had an OPS this year 30 points higher than Bruce has ever had. I look up this postseason and see a right handed Aroldis Chapman they plucked out of community college in the 21st round. Kyle Lohse becomes a Cy Young candidate! If I'm looking at the Pecota projection of a Cardinal, I generally just assume the 90th percentile is the best guess.

traderumor
10-13-2012, 06:20 PM
The 1985 Cardinals called. They want their championship back from the Royals.

The 2004 and 2005 Cards also called, they want a dose of that luck as well.

The amount of butt hurt in this forum right now is on comedic levels. Taking your anger out on the Cards for pulling out a victory while your team FAILED to just win one game at home makes some of you look like sore losers. Accusing the Cardinals of cheating and it contributing to their wins makes some of you look low class. Have fun brooding in the off season.Yea, I think it might be time for you to pack it up. Again, as you've been reminded a gazillion times, what did you expect on a Reds forum where there is a lot of disappointment? To hear a Cards fan gloat like a drunken sailor who just got laid by a fat girl? Pass.

AtomicDumpling
10-13-2012, 06:30 PM
The Reds proved they are a drastically better team than the Cardinals this year beyond all doubt. The regular season is the true test of how good a team is. The postseason is a luck-based, made-for-TV series of money-making exhibition games. The best team hardly ever wins the World Series in this century.

The Reds kicked the Cardinals' butts by a whopping 9 games in the division! Everybody knows who the better team is.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 06:42 PM
The 1985 Cardinals called. They want their championship back from the Royals.

The 2004 and 2005 Cards also called, they want a dose of that luck as well.

The amount of butt hurt in this forum right now is on comedic levels. Taking your anger out on the Cards for pulling out a victory while your team FAILED to just win one game at home makes some of you look like sore losers. Accusing the Cardinals of cheating and it contributing to their wins makes some of you look low class. Have fun brooding in the off season.

A life called, it wants you to get it.

Gloating on another team's message board is for old guys who live in their mom's basement.

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 07:10 PM
Maybe Mike would prefer the Sun Deck?

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2765158#post2765158

http://i51.tinypic.com/ip9ts5.gif

Patrick Bateman
10-13-2012, 08:37 PM
Mike, I think you really need to evaluate what posts you are responding too. You opened a thread about Reds fans hoping agains the Cardinals. What did you expect?

Not to mentiont that you refuse to accept getting some luck recently (winning the WS as a pretty mediocre team) and making the playoffs in a year for the sole reason that a new rule was instituted for essentially the sole purpose of watering down the playoffs (and in ANY other season being 8 games from the playoffs), and only getting into the main draw arguably due to a heinous umpire call, and being one strike away from elimination multiple times.... and coming complaining to Reds fans that we call you lucky.... well, obviously people are in a sucky mood here. The comeback the Cards had was THIS close to happening to us Reds fans.

If you are going to continue posting here, I really feel that you need to pick some battles, and try to have some feelings for the emotions that this entire board, save you, are feeling. You getting into this thread was always a disaster waiting to happen. I don't think it's fair for you to call sour grapes on Reds fans in our own home on this one.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 10:44 PM
I think I've more than cordial to everyone here. I take some of the ribbing here with a grain of salt. It's the last straw though when you accuse a team of cheating. It's low class to accuse players of cheating where there is NO, NOT ONE EVIDENCE, that cheating took place. I bet you all would be pissed if I went on a nonsensical rant claiming that guys like Jay Bruce, Cueto, and Votto are cheating. I would probably be banned from this board if I did that. That is below the belt and I'm going to defend my team every damn time.

This is the kind of stuff as to why guys like MattyHo4Life do not post here any more. The type of comments people are making go beyond good old fashion hate for another team. If I'm banned, fine. I don't give a damn anymore.

dabvu2498
10-13-2012, 10:49 PM
I'd say this thread is pretty well finished.