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Wonderful Monds
10-11-2012, 05:40 PM
Otherwise he will never be a big game pitcher as long he continues to completely and humiliatingly meltdown every time calls don't go in his way.

Thoughts?

GoReds
10-11-2012, 05:41 PM
I wish my head was as screwed up as Latos' when I was his age.

top6
10-11-2012, 06:10 PM
He got some close to bad calls, and then gave up a grand slam to one of the best players in baseball. It happens--and we wouldn't have even been in this game but for what he did in Game 1.

I think he's going to be on the Reds for a while, and be pretty good.

2013 Rotation: Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Bailey, Arroyo.

Our #4 threw a no-hitter a few weeks ago, and our #5 gave a Martinez-esque dominant playoff performance a few days ago. I think we'll be OK.

AtomicDumpling
10-11-2012, 06:12 PM
I don't think Latos melted down at all. Sure, he was displeased with a couple of bad calls but I don't think it affected his subsequent pitches. He was throwing solid pitches and the Giants hit them.

It was a matter of the Giants bunching all their hits into one inning while the Reds scattered their hits widely over the last five innings.

HokieRed
10-11-2012, 06:13 PM
He got some close to bad calls, and then gave up a grand slam to one of the best players in baseball. It happens--and we wouldn't have even been in this game but for what he did in Game 1.

I think he's going to be on the Reds for a while, and be pretty good.

2013 Rotation: Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Bailey, Arroyo.

Our #4 threw a no-hitter a few weeks ago, and our #5 gave a Martinez-esque dominant playoff performance a few days ago. I think we'll be OK.

Make that next year's Number 1 threw a no-hitter.

757690
10-11-2012, 06:24 PM
Make that next year's Number 1 threw a no-hitter.

You mean for the Red Sox? :evil:

Matt700wlw
10-11-2012, 06:26 PM
Carlos Zambrano melts down.

Mat Latos expresses frustration :)

WMR
10-11-2012, 06:28 PM
I don't think Latos melted down at all. Sure, he was displeased with a couple of bad calls but I don't think it affected his subsequent pitches. He was throwing solid pitches and the Giants hit them.

It was a matter of the Giants bunching all their hits into one inning while the Reds scattered their hits widely over the last five innings.

IDK if his mini-meltdowns affect his performance, but I do know that they don't do him any favors in getting subsequent favorable calls from the umpire that he is showing up. It just makes them want to squeeze him even more. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and ignore bad calls because acknowledging the ump will just make it worse.

Redlegs
10-11-2012, 06:40 PM
Latos is 20 something years old. That's part of it.

AtomicDumpling
10-11-2012, 06:42 PM
IDK if his mini-meltdowns affect his performance, but I do know that they don't do him any favors in getting subsequent favorable calls from the umpire that he is showing up. It just makes them want to squeeze him even more. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and ignore bad calls because acknowledging the ump will just make it worse.

I agree with you there. Some umpires are unprofessional enough to allow a player's actions to influence their calls. Smart players won't grant them a reason to make a bad call on purpose.

mattfeet
10-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Latos doesn't deserve nearly the bad rep he gets for having an attitude, IMO. You see a bad attitude, I see passion. There shouldn't have even been a Game 5 for him to pitch in. Game 3 was ours to win and we blew it.

westofyou
10-11-2012, 06:58 PM
I wish my head was as screwed up as Latos' when I was his age.

My thoughts exactly

Vottomatic
10-11-2012, 07:48 PM
So which is it? We love his bulldog tough attitude when he takes the mound when Cueto goes down or we rip him for his attitude when the ump is clearly squeezing him?

Latos is human. He cares. He's young and he'll learn.

dsmith421
10-11-2012, 07:55 PM
He threw a cookie. He shouldn't have been in the game at that point. Mat Latos is the least of Reds' fans concerns, in my opinion.

Always Red
10-11-2012, 08:08 PM
He still reminds me of a young Don Drysdale, with all the fire, and all the stuff.

I'd get in a foxhole with him.

The Operator
10-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Guys have a bad outing every now and then.

Latos was nails down the stretch and saved our butts in Game 1. Sometimes the offense has to pick a guy up when they're not on their game, but we all know that wasn't happening.

Mat Latos is not a problem at all. He's one of the few things that I still feel really good about after this 3-game meltdown.

cincrazy
10-11-2012, 08:39 PM
In fairness to Latos, things didn't really start to snowball until Cozart's error. That was huge, and not talked about enough IMO.

OnBaseMachine
10-11-2012, 08:40 PM
If not for Latos, Reds wouldn't have even made it to a game five. He saved the Reds in game one.

However, Mat agrees that he needs to improve mentally.


"Mental improvement," he said. "If I don't let those little things get to me, who knows now that if they score two runs and we win 3-2? Or they score three runs and we win 4-3? It was a mental error on me. I'm not making excuses. I screwed it up. This game is 100 percent on me. I let down my teammates, and that's what bugs me the most right now."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121011&content_id=39723248&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

This guy will win a Cy Young with the Reds, IMO.

SunDeck
10-11-2012, 09:00 PM
I like the kid, even though I think tattoos are silly. What would impress me is if this memory spurs him to go into Spring Training readier than he was this year. That, in my opinion, is the mark of an adult major league ball player.

dfs
10-11-2012, 09:11 PM
hings didn't really start to snowball until Cozart's error. That was huge, and not talked about enough IMO.
The reds defense in the last three games was like a totally different team than what we had seen most of the year. Not sure why that was, but it was.

dsmith421
10-11-2012, 09:20 PM
The reds defense in the last three games was like a totally different team than what we had seen most of the year. Not sure why that was, but it was.

Reminiscent of Game 2 in 2010.

Tony Cloninger
10-11-2012, 09:35 PM
The reds defense in the last three games was like a totally different team than what we had seen most of the year. Not sure why that was, but it was.

You can only call it chocking at this point. To do something that has been out of the norm all year....is letting the situation overwhelm you. Or to be blunt or the opposing teams fans ... chocking.

Blitz Dorsey
10-11-2012, 09:47 PM
You can only call it chocking at this point. To do something that has been out of the norm all year....is letting the situation overwhelm you. Or to be blunt or the opposing teams fans ... chocking.

I think misspelling "choking" is a clear example of choking.

:p

wolfboy
10-11-2012, 10:42 PM
Otherwise he will never be a big game pitcher as long he continues to completely and humiliatingly meltdown every time calls don't go in his way.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?


Grow up.

Wonderful Monds
10-11-2012, 10:42 PM
Thoughts?


Grow up.

Sorry my opinion doesn't jive with yours. I think it's you that needs to grow up.

The Operator
10-11-2012, 10:45 PM
Let's not make things personal, folks. We're all on the same side here in the end.

wolfboy
10-11-2012, 10:54 PM
Sorry my opinion doesn't jive with yours. I think it's you that needs to grow up.

You asked for thoughts. I gave mine.

p.s. - do you see any irony in saying that someone you don't know needs to "get his head on straight," but it's offensive when a similar criticism is directed at you?

Wonderful Monds
10-11-2012, 10:57 PM
You asked for thoughts. I gave mine.

p.s. - do you see any irony in saying that someone you don't know needs to "get his head on straight," but it's offensive when a similar criticism is directed at you?

Yeah and it was petty and childish. Best left unshared.

The guy has a visible meltdown on the mound and shows up the ump, and proceeds to lose the game by giving up a grand slam immediately after. Why ever would I criticize that, though!

wolfboy
10-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Yeah and it was petty and childish. Best left unshared.

The guy has a visible meltdown on the mound and shows up the ump, and proceeds to lose the game by giving up a grand slam immediately after. Why ever would I criticize that, though!

We all have good days and bad days. Can't question the guy's fire. If you're waiting on Superman, he ain't coming.

Wonderful Monds
10-11-2012, 11:15 PM
We all have good days and bad days. Can't question the guy's fire. If you're waiting on Superman, he ain't coming.

There's a difference between not having your stuff on a given day, and having a self induced breakdown on the mound. Know any other big game pitchers that lose it on the mound with the game on the line?

Edskin
10-11-2012, 11:39 PM
I think its fair o criticize Latos a bit... It's a situation where giving up a few runs could have been manageable, but giving up 6 was a death sentence. Big game pitchers find a way to minimize the damage there. Latos is 23, has great stuff, and wasn't one bit afraid to take the ball in game one or today in game five. I think he has the goods to someday be the big game stopper... He just isn't quite there yet obviously.

I do think Latos has a few immaturity issues to get past, but as a pitcher I gained a ton if respect for him down the stretch this year and in game one of the series. I'm glad he's a Red.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2012, 11:48 PM
Mat himself took the blame for the game today and said it's on him to improve his mental toughness for next season. That doesn't sound like a guy who needs to get his head on straight. It sounds like a guy who's a stand up person that makes no excuses, knows exactly who he is, and that he hopes to make things better next season. I'm proud that he's a Red and I hope to meet him at Redsfest so I can thank him for all the good things he brought to the team this year.

Wonderful Monds
10-11-2012, 11:55 PM
Mat himself took the blame for the game today and said it's on him to improve his mental toughness for next season. That doesn't sound like a guy who needs to get his head on straight. It sounds like a guy who's a stand up person that makes no excuses, knows exactly who he is, and that he hopes to make things better next season. I'm proud that he's a Red and I hope to meet him at Redsfest so I can thank him for all the good things he brought to the team this year.

I'm glad he knows it but that's just half the battle. Easier said than done.

Make no mistake I think Mat is probably our best pitcher and will step up 95% of the season as who he is right now. But he needs that extra 5 percent to keep his cool in critical situations.

gilpdawg
10-12-2012, 06:53 AM
It was bad...but he's a young guy. He'll learn from this, I hope, and that's the most important thing. Like I said in the game thread, those pitches that he lost his cool about weren't totally egregious miscalls. They were borderline at best. That's my biggest problem with the whole thing. Losing your cool is one thing...but losing your cool when it's not really even justified to the point where the whole inning becomes a trainwreck is something else. But this could make him a better pitcher in the long run...if he can learn to harness that raw emotion it can be a very powerful tool. He's got Cy Young talent. Now he just needs a Cy Young head.

But man, it really sucks right now. I hate that we're having this conversation.

Chip R
10-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Latos needs to go to his happy place when things like that happen.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-orG-okYjcIA/TkHyKsZ6-OI/AAAAAAAAAGg/pXtaWzusXJE/s1600/tumblr_kpp4cbeY871qziyd9o1_500.png

smith288
10-12-2012, 09:32 AM
Thoughts?


Grow up.
Awesome response. :rolleyes:

smith288
10-12-2012, 09:34 AM
Mat himself took the blame for the game today and said it's on him to improve his mental toughness for next season. That doesn't sound like a guy who needs to get his head on straight. It sounds like a guy who's a stand up person that makes no excuses, knows exactly who he is, and that he hopes to make things better next season. I'm proud that he's a Red and I hope to meet him at Redsfest so I can thank him for all the good things he brought to the team this year.
Latos has been known to be a very self confident ego driven guy. The self awareness he is presenting here is admirable. A little too late for this season but my hope next year he will come as hardened as they come and dominate. He does need a happy place. If he can't demonstrate self control when the game isn't going his way, he will be a wasted talent. Look at Matt Cain. You can't tell if the guy is have a good day or not.

CySeymour
10-12-2012, 09:57 AM
I am glad Mat Latos pitches for the Reds. This will only make him stronger, more determined. How many playoff series did the Big Red Machine blow before getting the job done? Several.

Go Reds!

MikeS21
10-12-2012, 10:16 AM
The thing we gotta remember is that Latos is still only 24 years old. We know from watching Homer Bailey over the last so many years that Mat may still be a year or two away from putting it all together.

As long as they can stay healthy, the Reds have probably the best rotation (besides the the Nats) in the NL, and will for the next couple years.

wolfboy
10-12-2012, 10:29 AM
Awesome response. :rolleyes:

This is your idea of a quality and mature post?


Mat Latos needs to get his head on straight.


Otherwise he will never be a big game pitcher as long he continues to completely and humiliatingly meltdown every time calls don't go in his way.

Thoughts?

OldXOhio
10-12-2012, 10:48 AM
24 and coachable. My guess is he'll learn from it and be fine.

wolfboy
10-12-2012, 10:57 AM
24 and coachable. My guess is he'll learn from it and be fine.

I agree.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2012, 11:08 AM
I think misspelling "choking" is a clear example of choking.

:p

I do not know if i will be able to recover from this. I blame the computer for not giving me the red underline and warn me of my potential CHOKE.

klw
10-12-2012, 01:21 PM
His head looks to be on very straight here:
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/30196.png&w=350&h=254

Here it is at an odd angle:
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/181uqybmeg728jpg/original.jpg

Consistency of head alignment is something he can work on dureing the off season. Yoga perhaps?

OesterPoster
10-12-2012, 02:21 PM
Cueto would lose his cool when things went bad his rookie season, and then he gradually worked through those things. Whatever Johnny did, Latos needs to listen. Or maybe sign up for some Tai Chi classes.

Tom Servo
10-12-2012, 02:26 PM
Latos is still just the same age as Stephen Strasburg. Latos just needs to grow.

GAC
10-12-2012, 02:33 PM
In fairness to Latos, things didn't really start to snowball until Cozart's error. That was huge, and not talked about enough IMO.

But he lets these types of things emotionally rattle him, get in his head and bother him till he loses focus. If some want to call that immaturity that's fine; but he needs to find a way to deal with it, or else I[m gonna start calling him Mat Zambrano. ;)

I find his disposition (passion) to be on the same level as a lot of ORG members. LOL

AtomicDumpling
10-12-2012, 02:43 PM
I don't think he lost his cool. He showed a little dissatisfaction with getting squeezed on the strikezone, but he didn't blow up or lose focus.

Other than that one bad inning he was excellent once again. It was unfortunate that the Giants strung all their offensive production together in one inning, whereas the Reds had more offensive production but spread it evenly over several innings. If your team only gets 4 hits in an entire game but gets them all in one inning you could still score more runs than a team that gets 15 hits but spreads them out over all 9 innings. You can hit better than your opponent and still lose because of the timing. That's baseball.

In that one bad inning Latos got squeezed by the umpire, his defense made an error that allowed a run and cost him an out, he left one or two pitches up in the zone and he got beaten by the NL MVP like lots of other pitchers have this year. He wasn't that bad. I don't think that inning proves that he is immature, has poor character, a bad attitude or emotional problems.

Kc61
10-12-2012, 02:48 PM
Mat Latos didn't have a good year. He had a fabulous year.

Just look at the numbers. He's a true TOR starter in every respect. Innings pitched, success rate, K/BB, ERA, etc. Just a tremendous young pitcher.

He gave up a home run yesterday. He'll learn from it. He's still young and learning.

For me, he can pitch the key game any time. Just a tremendous pitcher IMO.

UKFlounder
10-12-2012, 02:55 PM
Yeah, but it just sucks that it ends on such a sour note, leaving a bad impression on our minds. Time will let us see the bigger picture, but these last 3 games, including Latos' yesterday are just so frustrating and madening.

I also think reminding ourselves how young he is is important as well. That's easy to forget, at least for me.


Mat Latos didn't have a good year. He had a fabulous year.

Just look at the numbers. He's a true TOR starter in every respect. Innings pitched, success rate, K/BB, ERA, etc. Just a tremendous young pitcher.

He gave up a home run yesterday. He'll learn from it. He's still young and learning.

For me, he can pitch the key game any time. Just a tremendous pitcher IMO.

traderumor
10-12-2012, 04:30 PM
I don't think he can show any more maturity than his comments after the game. It sure is a lot different than the cowardly finger pointing going on in another clubhouse after a win.

It was a great season.

Superdude
10-12-2012, 04:36 PM
I don't think he lost his cool. He showed a little dissatisfaction with getting squeezed on the strikezone, but he didn't blow up or lose focus.

Other than that one bad inning he was excellent once again. It was unfortunate that the Giants strung all their offensive production together in one inning, whereas the Reds had more offensive production but spread it evenly over several innings. If your team only gets 4 hits in an entire game but gets them all in one inning you could still score more runs than a team that gets 15 hits but spreads them out over all 9 innings. You can hit better than your opponent and still lose because of the timing. That's baseball.

In that one bad inning Latos got squeezed by the umpire, his defense made an error that allowed a run and cost him an out, he left one or two pitches up in the zone and he got beaten by the NL MVP like lots of other pitchers have this year. He wasn't that bad. I don't think that inning proves that he is immature, has poor character, a bad attitude or emotional problems.

This x100. It always seems like emotion is defined as either competitive fire or "losing your cool" after the fact based on what happened. Some things didn't go his way and an MVP smashed a decent fastball 430 feet. He didn't throw a tantrum and walk home three runs. Had Posey grounded out there, we'd all be saying what a bulldog Latos was.

hebroncougar
10-12-2012, 04:39 PM
Mat Latos didn't have a good year. He had a fabulous year.

Just look at the numbers. He's a true TOR starter in every respect. Innings pitched, success rate, K/BB, ERA, etc. Just a tremendous young pitcher.

He gave up a home run yesterday. He'll learn from it. He's still young and learning.

For me, he can pitch the key game any time. Just a tremendous pitcher IMO.

My thoughts as well. His stats say he was essentially the same pitcher as last year, but he went from Petco to GABP. That's a hell of an accomplishment.

Joseph
10-13-2012, 08:52 AM
Mat Latos can take the ball for my team any day.

I get frustrated at work all the time, don't expect these people on the field to behave any differently.

gilpdawg
10-13-2012, 01:18 PM
I don't think he lost his cool. He showed a little dissatisfaction with getting squeezed on the strikezone, but he didn't blow up or lose focus.<br />
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Other than that one bad inning he was excellent once again. It was unfortunate that the Giants strung all their offensive production together in one inning, whereas the Reds had more offensive production but spread it evenly over several innings. If your team only gets 4 hits in an entire game but gets them all in one inning you could still score more runs than a team that gets 15 hits but spreads them out over all 9 innings. You can hit better than your opponent and still lose because of the timing. That's baseball.<br />
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In that one bad inning Latos got squeezed by the umpire, his defense made an error that allowed a run and cost him an out, he left one or two pitches up in the zone and he got beaten by the NL MVP like lots of other pitchers have this year. He wasn't that bad. I don't think that inning proves that he is immature, has poor character, a bad attitude or emotional problems.<br />
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This x100. It always seems like emotion is defined as either competitive fire or "losing your cool" after the fact based on what happened. Some things didn't go his way and an MVP smashed a decent fastball 430 feet. He didn't throw a tantrum and walk home three runs. Had Posey grounded out there, we'd all be saying what a bulldog Latos was.
If Posey had grounded out I'd would have said he was lucky there. It was obvious to me was just chucking meatballs up there.

And that's ok. He's human. It happens. If this team ever wins a title he will be a part of that, and that last start was a learning experience for him. It was the biggest moment of his career. There's no shame in what happened as long as it doesn't become a habit.

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