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Matt700wlw
10-11-2012, 08:34 PM
I'd love to have him stay with the organization in a coaching capacity, but I imagine he wants to spend time with his family.

I don't regret the trade to get him one bit.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/scott-rolen-expected-to-retire.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

reds1869
10-11-2012, 08:36 PM
A great player and a great leader. I've loved having him as a Red and hope to see him back in the organization in an instructional role.

dsmith421
10-11-2012, 08:37 PM
Great player, one of my favorites of all time, glad he was a Red.

Vottomatic
10-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Yeah, nothing but good thoughts about Scott. A true professional that surely taught our young guys how to be.

Big Klu
10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
If this rumor is true, I hope he will make an appearance at Opening Day next year so that the fans can show their appreciation.

He's a future Hall of Famer, in my book. And even though he played only 3 1/2 years with the Reds, I think he makes the Reds HOF, too. Maybe not in his first year of eligibility, but eventually. The Reds HOF tends to be inclusive, and the leadership he demonstrated from the first day he arrived cannot be overstated. He changed the entire culture of the club.

OnBaseMachine
10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
Great player, one of my favorites of all time, glad he was a Red.

Agreed.

cumberlandreds
10-11-2012, 09:42 PM
Maybe the best trade Jocketty will make. He brought a lot of leadership to the Reds and at least tried to teach some the players how to be a pro. Very good player in his day. But it's time for him to retire. You could see in the last two or three weekshis bat was terribly slow and he wasn't fielding nearly as well as he had. His fielding has stayed very good until recently.

SunDeck
10-11-2012, 09:46 PM
One. Solid. Ballplayer.

I just wish the Reds could have had him as a younger player. His affect on the team has been enormous, and much of it is probably intangible.

RedLegsToday
10-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Enjoy retirement, Mr. Rolen. Hope the BBWAA doesn't screw up and we get to see your HOF acceptance speech sooner, rather than later.

CarolinaRedleg
10-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Best thing to happen to this bunch of Reds. They were kind of a rudderless ship until he came on board.

757690
10-11-2012, 10:00 PM
He will be missed. Would love to see him as a Reds coach/manager sometime in the future.

The Operator
10-11-2012, 10:02 PM
A true professional. It's probably the right time but I still hate to see him go.

I'm proud to have watched him play baseball as a Red, and I agree with others that I wish he'd became a Red much sooner than he ultimately did.

Phhhl
10-11-2012, 10:06 PM
Loved having Scott Rolen as a Red. It was painful when the Cards got him in his prime, but until most recently he could do a lot of things to help a team win. I really feel like he was one of the guys who passed through here who really, truly wanted to be a Red, and understood what that meant.

dfs
10-11-2012, 10:08 PM
Like Phhhl I wish they had got him the first time.

"though his credentials could still end up earning him a spot in the Hall of Fame."

You know, when he came here I would never have thought that, but he'll be an interesting case. In the end I just don't think there is enough there.

I would be shocked if he agreed to come back next year as a manager/coach. He'll either play or stay home. I would love to see him and Frazier flip-flop roles.

Virginia Beach Reds
10-11-2012, 10:17 PM
A great leader. His last at bat result was predictable, and I for one was praying against logic. Still bummed, but no doubt, Scott Rolen is a class act.

Tom Servo
10-11-2012, 10:36 PM
One of the best ever to play 3B, not only for the Reds but in all of baseball. He will be missed.

edabbs44
10-11-2012, 10:40 PM
You'll always be welcome back Scott. Thank you and enjoy retirement

lollipopcurve
10-11-2012, 10:41 PM
So often, watching on TV, I saw Bruce and Votto alongside Rolen in the dugout. Quietly, he's led the team from also-ran to postseason contender by being a superb role model for great young players finding their way.

Blitz Dorsey
10-11-2012, 10:41 PM
Classic case of hanging on one or two years too many, but if someone's willing to pay you multi-millions to do so, why not. That said, I'm glad he was a Red and I wish him well in his retirement. Class act all the way.

15fan
10-11-2012, 10:45 PM
One. Solid. Ballplayer.

I just wish the Reds could have had him as a younger player. His affect on the team has been enormous, and much of it is probably intangible.

Junior-Rolen-Dunn-Kearns.

What coulda been.

MWM
10-11-2012, 11:19 PM
It's probably the right thing, but I don't want to admit he's done playing. I want to see him pick at 3B another year or two, just not hit. He's my favorite player of all time not named Larkin. He was my favorite non-Red for years before he was traded to Cincy. I hated liking a Cardinal that much.

I think he may be the best defensive player of this generation at any position. I know I can't think of anyone better.

I better buy a jersey now.

*BaseClogger*
10-11-2012, 11:47 PM
I think he may be the best defensive player of this generation at any position. I know I can't think of anyone better.

Pudge Rodriguez and Andruw Jones in their prime come to mind, but I have little doubt Scott Rolen is the best person among that group of ballplayers. I still love Scott! :thumbup:

Caveat Emperor
10-12-2012, 12:01 AM
Love me some Scott Rolen.

I wish he'd been a Red his entire career.

MWM
10-12-2012, 12:10 AM
Pudge Rodriguez and Andruw Jones in their prime come to mind, but I have little doubt Scott Rolen is the best person among that group of ballplayers. I still love Scott! :thumbup:

Pudge maybe. Jones no way. I still think Rolen was the best of the bunch. I've never seen a better 3B. Some will say Brooks Robinson and he still may be top, but I can't comment as I never saw enough of Robinson to offer an opinion. I have spoken to people who have seen both, some say one some say the other. I did see Buddy Bell, and I've heard some say he was in that class, but I don't think so. Bell was great, but Rolen was in a class of his own.

wolfboy
10-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Pudge maybe. Jones no way. I still think Rolen was the best of the bunch. I've never seen a better 3B. Some will say Brooks Robinson and he still may be top, but I can't comment as I never saw enough of Robinson to offer an opinion. I have spoken to people who have seen both, some say one some say the other. I did see Buddy Bell, and I've heard some say he was in that class, but I don't think so. Bell was great, but Rolen was in a class of his own.

I saw Bell as a Red, but I've heard he was in another world prior to his stint with the Reds.

Degenerate39
10-12-2012, 12:26 AM
If it's true I'll miss seeing him play the man's a legend. But it's Frazier's time to play

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-12-2012, 12:28 AM
Scott Rolen should throw out the first pitch on Opening Day next year.

And we should have a SR bobblehead night also!

WVPacman
10-12-2012, 12:32 AM
The reds HAVE to keep him in the dugout on the coaching staff b/c the players listen to him and he could still lead the team.Congrats to you Scott Rolan on a great career.:thumbup::beerme:

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 12:35 AM
I didn't realize Mike Matheny's playing career has been over as long as it has now so my point is moot

But still I wouldn't be shocked to see Rolen managing the Reds sooner than later.

Superdude
10-12-2012, 12:35 AM
I'll never forget that 2010 season. Nagging injuries eventually drug him down, but for about three or four months, Rolen was just about everything you could possibly want in a ballplayer.

MWM
10-12-2012, 12:57 AM
I'm not usually into old cliches and labels, but if there was ever the definition of "ballplayer", it's Rolen. I can't think of anyone else from this generation that fits the mold more. He did everything well. He wasn't fast, but may have been the best baserunner in the game throughout his career. What first made me such a fan outside of the fact that I've always been drawn to exceptional defenders, is the way he'd drop his head and run the bases when he hit a HR, regardless of how long it was or the situation.

If I could create the perfect ballplayer, he'd probably look more like Rolen than any other player who's played since I've been following the game.

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 01:01 AM
I'm not usually into old cliches and labels, but if there was ever the definition of "ballplayer", it's Rolen. I can't think of anyone else from this generation that fits the mold more. He did everything well. He wasn't fast, but may have been the best baserunner in the game throughout his career. What first made me such a fan outside of the fact that I've always been drawn to exceptional defenders, is the way he'd drop his head and run the bases when he hit a HR, regardless of how long it was or the situation.

If I could create the perfect ballplayer, he'd probably look more like Rolen than any other player who's played since I've been following the game.

Indeed.

The next question is, who is the guy in his prime right now who is most Rolenesque, and how do the Reds get him?

BuckeyeRedleg
10-12-2012, 01:33 AM
Love me some Scott Rolen.

I wish he'd been a Red his entire career.

Could have had him in 1993 draft as he went #46, but the Reds loved them some Pat Watkins at #32.

camisadelgolf
10-12-2012, 02:38 AM
Maybe the best trade Jocketty will make. He brought a lot of leadership to the Reds and at least tried to teach some the players how to be a pro. Very good player in his day. But it's time for him to retire. You could see in the last two or three weekshis bat was terribly slow and he wasn't fielding nearly as well as he had. His fielding has stayed very good until recently.
Better than the Jeremy Horst for Wilson Valdez trade? I miss Horst--he was an RBI machine for the Reds.

vic715
10-12-2012, 04:35 AM
Indeed.

The next question is, who is the guy in his prime right now who is most Rolenesque, and how do the Reds get him?

Kevin Youkilis,He's played for a winner and was well respected by his teammates.He's from Cincy and he plays third base.Works for me.

gilpdawg
10-12-2012, 08:05 AM
I knew this was probably coming, but I hate to see him go. Great guy, great player, (and a heck of a high school basketball player too back in the day).

What sucks about it is that if he's healthy, he can still go. He showed it in flashes this year. He just can't play a lot without winding up with something hurting.

Red in Chicago
10-12-2012, 08:26 AM
Great ball player - yes
Time to retire - yes

lollipopcurve
10-12-2012, 08:35 AM
The next question is, who is the guy in his prime right now who is most Rolenesque, and how do the Reds get him?

Y. Molina (past his prime, but still)

No chance.

mth123
10-12-2012, 01:59 PM
Indeed.

The next question is, who is the guy in his prime right now who is most Rolenesque, and how do the Reds get him?

He won't come close to being as talented as Rolen was in his prime, but from an attitude and leadership standpoint, the Reds may already have him in Todd Frazier.

If you want to add HOF talent to the equation, Joey Votto may be maturing into the quiet leader that Rolen was.

I'm actually having a tough time thinking of players in their prime years I'd put in that category. Older guys like Derek Jeter, Michael Young and Paul Konerko come to mind. Chase Utley might be a name to consider. No chance at those guys.

GAC
10-12-2012, 03:30 PM
I've never seen a better 3B. Some will say Brooks Robinson and he still may be top, but I can't comment as I never saw enough of Robinson to offer an opinion. I have spoken to people who have seen both, some say one some say the other. I did see Buddy Bell, and I've heard some say he was in that class, but I don't think so. Bell was great, but Rolen was in a class of his own.

I still remember Brooks in that 1970 series. He simply owned us. 16 GG AWards. IMO, he was the greatest defensive 3Bman I had the opportunity to witness, but Mike Schmidt is right there too.

And lets not forget guys like Brett, Boggs, and especially Chipper Jones.

Rolen was in the same class with these guys.

redsfan30
10-12-2012, 03:35 PM
I will be extremely sad if this comes to be. I know baseball wise it is probably time but he quickly became my all-time favorite Red.

If he hangs em up....I will miss him greatly.

RFS62
10-12-2012, 03:41 PM
We've been lucky to see two of the best defensive third basemen of all time in Reds uniforms, Buddy Bell and Scott Rolen.

Totally different styles, Bell was the smoothest thirdbaseman I ever saw. Maz smooth. He too was past his prime when he came here, but watching him field his position was an awesome thing.

Rolen is more athletic, more powerful. The ultimate warrior. And a hall of fame teammate and mentor as well. I agree with everyone who has lumped praise on his contributions to this team as an example of how a professional goes about his business.

Hope he stays around the organization, and I'll bet Jocketty makes it so if he wants it.

MikeS21
10-13-2012, 11:05 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121012/SPT04/310120071/Baker-Jocketty-meet-again-next-week?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

Jocketty had heard the reports that third baseman Scott Rolen has decided to retire.

“He hasn’t told us that,” Jocketty said. “I’ve talked to him. I don’t think he knows what he wants to do.”

Jocketty said the Reds would be interested in Rolen returning in some role, if he chooses to play.
Wonder if Rolen might decide to come back as a bench player? Perhaps he could serve as a bench 3B/1B/PH role.

gilpdawg
10-13-2012, 01:27 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121012/SPT04/310120071/Baker-Jocketty-meet-again-next-week?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

Wonder if Rolen might decide to come back as a bench player? Perhaps he could serve as a bench 3B/1B/PH role.

I'd welcome that. He can still play when he gets a lot of rest. As an everyday player he's done. Starts to break down.

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Captain Hook
10-13-2012, 01:52 PM
I'd welcome that. He can still play when he gets a lot of rest. As an everyday player he's done. Starts to break down.

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I started a thread a few months ago about Rolen filling Cairo's roll. He would be a perfect fit if the desire is there. Considering that the everyday 3B could play both corner OF positions in a round about way Scott could fill in at 4 different spots in the field if we assume he can play 1B.

hebroncougar
10-13-2012, 01:55 PM
I think Scott Rolen is the biggest reason for the turnaround of the Reds in the last few years. Great role model, and I hope he sticks in some capacity in the organization.

George Anderson
10-13-2012, 04:14 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121012/SPT04/310120071/Baker-Jocketty-meet-again-next-week?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

Wonder if Rolen might decide to come back as a bench player? Perhaps he could serve as a bench 3B/1B/PH role.

No way.

This isn't like the old days where former greats would do that because they need the money.

MikeThierry
10-13-2012, 04:18 PM
I will always have fond memories of him. It's a damn shame he was often injured because I think he was on track to be a 1st ballot HOFer.

gilpdawg
10-13-2012, 04:30 PM
No way.

This isn't like the old days where former greats would do that because they need the money.

What about doing it because he still wants to play? We don't really know what he wants to do yet. Guys have done that without needing the money. Heck, Griffey was part time in Seattle when he went back.

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George Anderson
10-13-2012, 04:37 PM
What about doing it because he still wants to play? We don't really know what he wants to do yet. Guys have done that without needing the money. Heck, Griffey was part time in Seattle when he went back.

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Oh it is possible, but I know he has young kids and if I had to guess he will want to make up for alot of lost time.

Griffey is the exception, you just don't see guys that are set for life especially a great player like Rolen wanting to go out as a bench player.

Great players like Rolen value their legacy.

PuffyPig
10-13-2012, 04:48 PM
I think Scott Rolen is the biggest reason for the turnaround of the Reds in the last few years.

I don't know, I think guys like Votto, Bruce, Latos, Cueto, Chapman have made huge contributions to the team.

I do think that Rolen has helped bring a level of maturity to the team that was missing, and I'm guessing that's more what you were referring to.

traderumor
10-13-2012, 07:08 PM
I don't know, I think guys like Votto, Bruce, Latos, Cueto, Chapman have made huge contributions to the team.

I do think that Rolen has helped bring a level of maturity to the team that was missing, and I'm guessing that's more what you were referring to.I don't think you can underestimate the value of a professional, strong work ethic player like Rolen around young, very talented players. Rolen was just like them in his day, he certainly has a ton of wisdom to share and seems to be able to do so respectfully and helpfully.

mth123
10-13-2012, 08:29 PM
I don't think you can underestimate the value of a professional, strong work ethic player like Rolen around young, very talented players. Rolen was just like them in his day, he certainly has a ton of wisdom to share and seems to be able to do so respectfully and helpfully.

Agreed, and Rolen's influence has been a big plus, but other than Mesoraco, this team isn't really all that young anymore. As of opening day 2013, Hanigan is 32, Votto is 29, Phillips is 31, Cozart is 27, Frazier is 27, Ludwick is 34, Heisey is 28, Stubbs is 28 and Bruce is 26. I'd be fine with Rolen in a 2 or 3 starts per week role in 2013, but they need a bat more than they need a leader IMO - preferably a LH bat who mashes RHP.

Caveat Emperor
10-14-2012, 02:04 AM
No way.

This isn't like the old days where former greats would do that because they need the money.

If he had any desire to manage in the future, I could see him sticking around as a bench player and focusing on learning a little more on that end -- but from everything I've heard, when he hangs it up he's going to hang it up for good.

camisadelgolf
10-14-2012, 03:23 AM
Unfortunately, it's impossible to quantify a lot of the traits that made Rolen so valuable through his career. I hope the Hall of Fame voters don't lose sight of that.

RedsManRick
10-14-2012, 03:39 AM
In the FWIW department, Fangraphs has Rolen 11th all-time among 3B:

ARod: 114.6
Schmidt: 110.6
Matthews: 107.2
Boggs: 94.7
Robinson: 94.6
Brett: 91.5
Jones: 90.3
Santo: 79.4
Killebrew: 78.5 (I wasn't aware Killebrew played that much 3B -- over 700 games)
Molitor: 75.2
Rolen: 75.0
Nettles: 71.8

Of course, a big part of that comes from Rolen's defense. Of the guys above him, only Schmidt and Boggs were his peers defensively (Brooks Robinson had no peers...), but he's got multiple seasons worth of PA less than most of those guys due to injury issues.

Third base has generally been a tough position when it comes to HOF voting and Rolen is right there on the border. But in this era where a bunch of guys with steroid questions are going to be backing up the ballot, I think Rolen gets in to spite them.

MikeS21
10-14-2012, 10:23 AM
I also wonder though if Rolen feels a little unfulfilled, the way the season ended. And I'm also wondering if he feels a little miffed that his career ends by him striking out when he had a couple men on base.

Knowing this team, and knowing the future of this team, Rolen may decide the give it one more season. Even if all he does is basically take Cairo's place, Rolen could have a decent enough year to feel he is leaving on a high note.

As long as he knows his everyday status is over, I'd love to have him back as a reserve player.

dfs
10-14-2012, 11:18 PM
ARod: 114.6
Schmidt: 110.6
Matthews: 107.2
Boggs: 94.7
Robinson: 94.6
Brett: 91.5
Jones: 90.3
Santo: 79.4
Killebrew: 78.5
Molitor: 75.2
Rolen: 75.0
Nettles: 71.8

A bunch of guys who are (or will be) in the hall of fame and Craig Nettles?

Molitar and Killer got in based on a body of work that included time at DH and first base.

Nettles didn't get over 10%.

I can still see the vote going either way for Rolens.

traderumor
10-14-2012, 11:30 PM
Agreed, and Rolen's influence has been a big plus, but other than Mesoraco, this team isn't really all that young anymore. As of opening day 2013, Hanigan is 32, Votto is 29, Phillips is 31, Cozart is 27, Frazier is 27, Ludwick is 34, Heisey is 28, Stubbs is 28 and Bruce is 26. I'd be fine with Rolen in a 2 or 3 starts per week role in 2013, but they need a bat more than they need a leader IMO - preferably a LH bat who mashes RHP.I was referring to his value since his acquisition. I am in the camp hoping he retires. He has served the Reds well and would leave them better than he found them.

Wonderful Monds
10-15-2012, 01:45 AM
In the FWIW department, Fangraphs has Rolen 11th all-time among 3B:

ARod: 114.6
Schmidt: 110.6
Matthews: 107.2
Boggs: 94.7
Robinson: 94.6
Brett: 91.5
Jones: 90.3
Santo: 79.4
Killebrew: 78.5 (I wasn't aware Killebrew played that much 3B -- over 700 games)
Molitor: 75.2
Rolen: 75.0
Nettles: 71.8

Of course, a big part of that comes from Rolen's defense. Of the guys above him, only Schmidt and Boggs were his peers defensively (Brooks Robinson had no peers...), but he's got multiple seasons worth of PA less than most of those guys due to injury issues.

Third base has generally been a tough position when it comes to HOF voting and Rolen is right there on the border. But in this era where a bunch of guys with steroid questions are going to be backing up the ballot, I think Rolen gets in to spite them.

Curious - A-Rod's total there is not just his time as a 3B right? I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with the first half of his career as a SS.

Nathan
10-15-2012, 06:05 AM
I started a thread a few months ago about Rolen filling Cairo's roll. He would be a perfect fit if the desire is there. Considering that the everyday 3B could play both corner OF positions in a round about way Scott could fill in at 4 different spots in the field if we assume he can play 1B.

:confused:
Curious, why on earth would he (or whoever is managing the Reds) do that? On his worst days, he's better than 90% of the 3Bs out there defensively. If he were to resign, I'm willing to say he'd play 3B when he plays.

GAC
10-15-2012, 06:22 AM
Retire with honor. He's had a very illustrious career, and something to be proud of. All Scott has to do is take a page, and look back, at a majority of aging ballplayers who tried to hang on when their bodies tell them otherwise. Should be an easy decision to make since he has nothing left to prove.

I do think he'd be a solid bench coach though, and mentor, to some of these younger players (especially Frazier).

But either way - you did good Scott Rolen.

RedsManRick
10-15-2012, 07:37 AM
Curious - A-Rod's total there is not just his time as a 3B right? I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with the first half of his career as a SS.

Correct; this is lifetime value for guys who qualified at 3B. Not sure what criteria they use for that.

Redsfan320
10-15-2012, 08:13 AM
Curious, why on earth would he (or whoever is managing the Reds) do that? On his worst days, he's better than 90% of the 3Bs out there defensively. If he were to resign, I'm willing to say he'd play 3B when he plays.

What he's saying is that because Frazier (the everyday 3B) can play all those positions, its kind of like Rolen being able to off the bench, because they can put Rolen at 3rd and move Frazier to the other positions. I do think he was talking about Scotty playing 1B, but I could be wrong.

320

Deepred05
10-15-2012, 09:36 AM
If Rolen does make the hall of fame, what hat does he wear?

bucksfan2
10-15-2012, 09:37 AM
If Rolen does make the hall of fame, what hat does he wear?

In yesteryear he would be allowed to pick his hat and it would be as a Red. Unfortunately I think if the writers pick he goes in as a Card. However they may allow him to "choose" which hat to wear.

cumberlandreds
10-15-2012, 10:00 AM
If Rolen does make the hall of fame, what hat does he wear?


A nice light colored suit is appropriate for the summertime in Cooperstown, NY. ;)


He seems to have split his time between the Phillies and Cardinals. If he has a choice I would say Cardinals since his time didn't end well in Philly.

RANDY IN INDY
10-15-2012, 10:19 AM
We've been lucky to see two of the best defensive third basemen of all time in Reds uniforms, Buddy Bell and Scott Rolen.
:beerme:
Totally different styles, Bell was the smoothest thirdbaseman I ever saw. Maz smooth. He too was past his prime when he came here, but watching him field his position was an awesome thing.

Rolen is more athletic, more powerful. The ultimate warrior. And a hall of fame teammate and mentor as well. I agree with everyone who has lumped praise on his contributions to this team as an example of how a professional goes about his business.

Hope he stays around the organization, and I'll bet Jocketty makes it so if he wants it.

:beerme:

dfs
10-15-2012, 10:35 AM
If Rolen does make the hall of fame, what hat does he wear?

Cardinal red. Phillies wouldn't have him and his years as a cardinal are much better than his years as a blue jay or a red.

George Anderson
10-15-2012, 10:54 AM
Cardinal red. Phillies wouldn't have him and his years as a cardinal are much better than his years as a blue jay or a red.

It is funny because Rolen in Cincy has been the consummate professional but his time in both Philly and St.Louis ended on very bad notes.

_Sir_Charles_
10-15-2012, 11:41 AM
I still remember Brooks in that 1970 series. He simply owned us. 16 GG AWards. IMO, he was the greatest defensive 3Bman I had the opportunity to witness, but Mike Schmidt is right there too.

And lets not forget guys like Brett, Boggs, and especially Chipper Jones.

Rolen was in the same class with these guys.

This. I've never seen anybody dominate defensively like Brooks did. And Schmidt gets overlooked defensively quite often I think.

mdccclxix
10-15-2012, 11:59 AM
I'll always think of him more as a Philly since he started there and was really just a hired mercenary for the Cardinals.

traderumor
10-16-2012, 04:49 PM
It is funny because Rolen in Cincy has been the consummate professional but his time in both Philly and St.Louis ended on very bad notes.Having seen how he handles himself, I'm guessing it was some immaturity in Philly for not being able to handle a personality clash (and don't forget it was not a good program during his tenure either) and his honesty that probably got him in trouble in St. Louis.

klw
10-16-2012, 04:55 PM
Shame he can't just have a red hat on without a symbol- it would cover all the options but the Jays.

Big Klu
10-16-2012, 05:29 PM
Having seen how he handles himself, I'm guessing it was some immaturity in Philly for not being able to handle a personality clash (and don't forget it was not a good program during his tenure either) and his honesty that probably got him in trouble in St. Louis.

Let's look at who he clashed with--Larry Bowa in Philadelphia (one of the most abrasive individuals in baseball history), and Tony LaRussa in St. Louis (whose arrogance and smugness knows no bounds).

I would question Rolen's character if he didn't clash with them.

redsfan30
10-16-2012, 05:39 PM
Let's look at who he clashed with--Larry Bowa in Philadelphia (one of the most abrasive individuals in baseball history), and Tony LaRussa in St. Louis (whose arrogance and smugness knows no bounds).

I would question Rolen's character if he didn't clash with them.

Very good point.

Tom Servo
10-16-2012, 07:02 PM
Not to mention the GM in Philadelphia while he was there and wanted a trade was Ed Wade. If I were going to demand a trade due to lack of confidence in the team improving, it would definitely be because Ed Wade was GM.