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WVRed
10-12-2012, 12:07 PM
If Dusty Baker isn't brought back, who would be at the top of your wish list?

My biggest fear is someone like Tony LaRussa or Bobby Valentine. I'm not sold on a guy like Chris Speier or Bryan Price who have limited experience managing.

It seems that younger managers or former players are the trend. Robin Ventura and Mike Matheny to name a couple. If we went that route, I wouldn't mind seeing Ryne Sandberg.

Thoughts?

dman
10-12-2012, 12:16 PM
Greg Maddux.... Especially with the young pitching staff that we have. I know Greg only has the coaching experience with the Rangers, but he's also been one of the smartest people I've ever known to play the game. I think Maddux could transition right into a manager's role with no problem at all.

vic715
10-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Jim Tracy

RedsManRick
10-12-2012, 12:24 PM
I'm not advocating him, but Manny Acta should be on the list. He hasn't exactly been given much to work with in either DC or Cleveland. But at least he knows the importance of putting OBP at the top of the lineup.

That said, let's be honest. Dusty will be back.

Caveat Emperor
10-12-2012, 12:28 PM
I'd expect that Jim Riggleman would get a hard look, since he's an in-house candidate.

Mike Maddux would be interesting, given his success in the Rangers org as a pitching coach. I wonder if bringing him on would impact Price's role on the team, though. I think keeping Price around should be something the club strives for (continuity in coaching for a young staff seems like a good thing).

Ryne Sandberg seems like the manager-in-waiting out in Philly -- I think he'd be a good guy to look at as well.

I think TLR will get a look, though I imagine that would go over like a turd in the punchbowl in the clubhouse.

Big Klu
10-12-2012, 12:30 PM
I think TLR will get a look, though I imagine that would go over like a turd in the punchbowl in the clubhouse.

Cueto and Phillips would be traded before Opening Day.

George Anderson
10-12-2012, 12:35 PM
Cueto and Phillips would be traded before Opening Day.

Marty would retire.

MartyFan
10-12-2012, 12:41 PM
I do not think Baker should be brought back.

I posted a thread earlier this year "Fire Dusty Now" as a joke which pretty much everyone jumped on as being a legit eventhough the idea of firing him while the team was in first place in the division and he really was doing a great job managing the team was absurd, the point was lost.

At this time though, I think we have an open door to find someone new.

I like Manny Acta, Pete Mackanin and maybe even trying to get someone like Joe Torre to come out of "retirement" to push this team over the hump.

The loss yesterday was a real team effort but I think this team only needs some refining to be an automatic contender for years to come....to move this legacy to the next level we need someone to take that message home.

George Anderson
10-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Unlike years past this is a job that top notch managers will look at very strongly.

This is a very good team with an owner that will pay a manager well.

WildcatFan
10-12-2012, 01:03 PM
Sandy Alomar, Dave Martinez, or...

Barry Larkin?

I also like the Mike Maddux idea.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-12-2012, 01:15 PM
If Dusty leaves, considering Bob and Walt, TLR will be considered and even offered. I don't know how the Cueto/Phillips relationships would work though.

Riggleman is in-house, but is hardly an exciting option that will excite the fan base.

What's Sweet Lou doing these days?

dfs
10-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Marty would retire.

I don't know that this would be a bad thing.

Bruce was complaining about the fans booing during games 3 and 4 and while I understand the fans dissapointment, they get the notion that a 96 win team sucks from the daily bashing they hear from mr. Grumpy and his son.

...oh yeah....if the reds move away from Baker you know it wouldn't bother me if they gave the big office to Scott Rolen.

Tom Servo
10-12-2012, 01:18 PM
For in-house, I wonder if Bryan Price would be interested.


For out of house, I would love to have Bud Black. For guys who are readily available I have already suggested Mike Hargrove, Don Wakamatsu, and Dave Martinez.

HokieRed
10-12-2012, 01:21 PM
TLR. I want to win.

hebroncougar
10-12-2012, 01:22 PM
I love the idea of Martinez. I think Baker should have the option of returning. If he doesn't, I think the brass will look for someone with experience. It's a shame Francona didn't wait around, if we end up needing one.

Reds4Life
10-12-2012, 01:35 PM
TLR is 68, he might be considered, but I have doubts he would be interested in the job. On top of it, he didn't exactly leave St. Louis with grace, there was quite a bit of in fighting in the Cards clubhouse.

wally post
10-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Joe Torre is perfect if he is willing. Riggleman makes sense to me if not and Chris Spier also should be seriously considered. NO TLR!

Tom Servo
10-12-2012, 01:38 PM
I really do not want Jim Riggleman. Besides the issue of quitting on his team, he is just not a good manager either with his clubhouse or as a tactician.

Gallen5862
10-12-2012, 01:41 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Reds To Offer Baker Contract
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 12 at 11:21am CST]
The Reds want manager Dusty Baker back for the 2013 season. General manager Walt Jocketty planned to meet with Baker and offer him a short-term contract this morning, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).

The Reds were eliminated from the playoffs yesterday, ending a season that saw the team win 97 games and the NL Central title. Baker, who has managed the Reds since 2008, recently missed some time after suffering a mini-stroke. However, he recently said he's "not through managing," an indication that he expects to return for at least one more season.

The Reds have won the NL Central twice since Baker was hired, and their overall winning percentage for the five year period is .517. The 63-year-old earned $3.5MM per season on his first contract with Cincinnati.

Blitz Dorsey
10-12-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm sure Dusty will be back.

If Walt wasn't happy, I wonder if he would have put some feelers out to Francona before he accepted the Indians gig. Francona is a good manager. I'm a little upset that the Indians got him (living in Columbus, I have to deal with a lot of Cleveland fans).

OnBaseMachine
10-12-2012, 01:55 PM
Dave Martinez.

klw
10-12-2012, 01:57 PM
Marty Brennaman

Wheelhouse
10-12-2012, 02:12 PM
Joe Morgan. He isn't hanging out in Walts box because he needs good seats to games...

Slyder
10-12-2012, 02:15 PM
I hear Pete is gearing up for another go at baseball... He's getting a little worried that Jeter may limp past him in hits since Jeter can DH extending his career.

Seriously though I don't want a retread unless its someone with a history of success (Torre, Francona, etc) except that clown LaDrunk. I'd rather see a younger guy given a shot who can be Dusty-lite when it comes to handling the club house stuff and identify with the players but isn't afraid to go out there and yank someone in a key moment like Dusty failed to do with Latos and Leake in games 5 and 4. Basically a better in game manager.

cumberlandreds
10-12-2012, 02:20 PM
I don't see any candidates mentioned that are any better than Dusty. I wouldn't consider Riggleman after he quit on the Nationals. I heard/read some things somewhere about Acta having problems getting along with a lot players while managing. No idea if that's completely true but he's not made either the Nationals or Indians any better while there. I wouldn't consider TLR unless Duncan came with him. But I think TLR has burned too many bridges along the way to get another manager job. Torre and Pinella are done managing so you can forget about them.
If Dusty retired I would give Speier a shot. It would give the Reds continuity. The coaching staff would probably stay intact being mainly Price I would want to keep. If you go outside they are going to bring in their guys and you would probably lose Price who I think has done a tremendous job in Cincy.

osuceltic
10-12-2012, 02:28 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Reds To Offer Baker Contract
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 12 at 11:21am CST]
The Reds want manager Dusty Baker back for the 2013 season. General manager Walt Jocketty planned to meet with Baker and offer him a short-term contract this morning, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).

The Reds were eliminated from the playoffs yesterday, ending a season that saw the team win 97 games and the NL Central title. Baker, who has managed the Reds since 2008, recently missed some time after suffering a mini-stroke. However, he recently said he's "not through managing," an indication that he expects to return for at least one more season.

The Reds have won the NL Central twice since Baker was hired, and their overall winning percentage for the five year period is .517. The 63-year-old earned $3.5MM per season on his first contract with Cincinnati.

It will be interesting to see if this is good-faith contract offer or if the "short-term" thing is code for one year, short money -- encouraging Dusty to look elsewhere so they can avoid saying they fired him.

batsfan
10-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Corky Miller should get a serious look. People have been saying he would be a good manager for years, he basically has been a player/coach for the Bats for the last 3 years.

AtomicDumpling
10-12-2012, 02:47 PM
I think any manager in baseball would jump at the chance to manage a young team loaded with talent like the Reds. If Dusty doesn't return, this job would be the most desirable opening in the league for potential candidates. This team is a manager's dream.

Dave Martinez and John Farrell would be the best candidates. Martinez is probably the top choice for every team in the league with an opening. He has thus far declined to even interview for most jobs the last couple years because he is waiting for the perfect opportunity. Jim Tracy would be near the top of my list if we can't get Martinez or Farrell.

I wouldn't consider Bryan Price because that would be enacting the Peter Principle (people who are great at a job get promoted repeatedly until they reach a job they are not so good at, then they stay there a long time. Don't do that! Keep them where they excel and pay them accordingly). Bryan Price is a great pitching coach, which is why he should stay as a pitching coach. Make him the highest paid pitching coach in the league and do whatever it takes to keep him here in Cincinnati. As I have said elsewhere, locking up Price to a long term contract should be the Reds' highest priority this offseason -- it is that important.

MikeS21
10-12-2012, 02:49 PM
While it does appear that Dusty will be offered the job at least another year, I think a good option might be to promote Speier, keep Price as pitching coach, but replace Jacoby as hitting coach. I'm not that up on hitting coaches, but there has to be an upgrade out there somewhere. (Love to see a new hitting coach whether Dusty comes back or not).

I'm not saying they ought to do it, but three additional in-house options: Ken Griffey Sr. has spent a lot of time in the organization and you know he has to have his eyes on a big league manager's job. Dave Bell seems to be on a fast track and a FO favorite. Rick Sweet is still floating around the organization, isn't he?

GAC
10-12-2012, 03:38 PM
If Dusty leaves, considering Bob and Walt, TLR will be considered and even offered.

If TLR is offered the job I'm becoming an Indian's fan. :mooner:

Unassisted
10-12-2012, 03:56 PM
I know what I don't want.

I still have residual bad taste in my mouth from the Dave Miley era, so my top criteria is no minor league managers without ML experience... not from Louisville, not from anywhere.

With a fairly young team, I don't want the Reds to roll the dice on a beginner with zero managerial experience, either. That rules out Corky and Rolen.

For the same generation-gap reason, I don't want them to hire a screamer, either. That rules out Bobby Valentine and Sweet Lou.

I'm willing to sit back and see who Walt would select, and I'm hopeful it wouldn't be any of the above.

Tom Servo
10-12-2012, 04:14 PM
I was going to throw Ryne Sandberg's name out there, but I just found out that last week the Phillies hired him as their 3rd base coach and seemingly as Charlie Manuel's future replacement.

AtomicDumpling
10-12-2012, 04:23 PM
I know what I don't want.

I still have residual bad taste in my mouth from the Dave Miley era, so my top criteria is no minor league managers without ML experience... not from Louisville, not from anywhere.

With a fairly young team, I don't want the Reds to roll the dice on a beginner with zero managerial experience, either. That rules out Corky and Rolen.

For the same generation-gap reason, I don't want them to hire a screamer, either. That rules out Bobby Valentine and Sweet Lou.

I'm willing to sit back and see who Walt would select, and I'm hopeful it wouldn't be any of the above.

I agree. This time the Reds are in a great position if they want to hire a new manager. The team is loaded with talent and is a highly desirable place to manage. They won't have to settle for a second-rate candidate this time around.

Vottomatic
10-12-2012, 04:28 PM
I think the offensive coordinator of the Bengals should be considered. He's innovative and could help this struggling offense. Gruden for manager. :laugh: ;)

CySeymour
10-12-2012, 04:38 PM
No on Jim Tracy. He makes Dusty look like Earl Weaver.

marcshoe
10-12-2012, 04:39 PM
Bring Dusty back for one more year. I doubt he wants more than that anyway. Spend 2013 evaluating future managers and giving Dusty everything he needs to go out a winner.

I wouldn't mind Speier, even if he is a little older than most beginning managers, and not just because I had a Chris Speier baseball glove back in Pony League. Would have loved to have had Francona, but that ship has sailed. I've never been sold on Jim Tracy.

_Sir_Charles_
10-12-2012, 05:27 PM
I'd prefer if Dusty came back. But if that doesn't happen....Rick Sweet. I know they seem to be high on David Bell, but I think Sweet is the guy who deserves the next shot IMO.

I'm intrigued by the Corky Miller suggestion (as I've heard it numerous times the past 2 years), but I'd want to see what he could do it the minors first.

westofyou
10-12-2012, 05:29 PM
I'd prefer if Dusty came back. But if that doesn't happen....Rick Sweet. I know they seem to be high on David Bell, but I think Sweet is the guy who deserves the next shot IMO.

Dave Miley 2.0 maybe?

Do the Reds really want to hire a guy they fired from their own AAA team?

_Sir_Charles_
10-12-2012, 05:31 PM
Dave Miley 2.0 maybe?

Do the Reds really want to hire a guy they fired from their own AAA team?

IIRC they didn't FIRE him. The moved him to a different position where he could focus on teaching the catchers I think. I could be wrong though, I'm just going by memory here and that's proven to be a bad idea the past 5-10 years. LOL.

757690
10-12-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd prefer if Dusty came back. But if that doesn't happen....Rick Sweet. I know they seem to be high on David Bell, but I think Sweet is the guy who deserves the next shot IMO.

I'm intrigued by the Corky Miller suggestion (as I've heard it numerous times the past 2 years), but I'd want to see what he could do it the minors first.

Personally, I think they give Baker one year contracts until they think Bell is ready. He clearly is the heir apparent, it's just a matter of when they think he's ready for the bigs.

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 05:32 PM
I don't know about manager. No idea on that front. I really want someone like Dusty clubhouse wise, but is better at the X's and O's.

I do know I want Toronto's Dwayne Murphy to be our hitting coach. I know it won't happen, but I'd really like that a lot.

Tom Servo
10-12-2012, 05:38 PM
Not interested in cheap, boring old retreads who have little to no history of success. Jim Tracy, Rick Sweet, and Jim Riggleman are basically Bob Boone, Dave Miley, and Jerry Narron in my opinion.

Gallen5862
10-12-2012, 09:10 PM
How about trying to get Bobby Cox to manage? It's unlikely he would want to come out of retirement. It could be worth a shot that he misses managing.

Team Clark
10-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Orel Hershiser, David Bell and Dave Martinez. Short list and I'd keep it that way.

Revering4Blue
10-12-2012, 09:43 PM
How about trying to get Bobby Cox to manage? It's unlikely he would want to come out of retirement. It could be worth a shot that he misses managing.

A)Bobby Cox's managing from a glass half-empty standpoint: The Braves lost several postseason series during the Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz era in which they were heavily favored. Were questionable managerial decisions (Yes, I realize that it happens to all managers) a factor?

B)Bobby Cox's managing from a glass half-full standpoint: Cox got the most out of teams questionably constructed--weak bullpens, holes in lineup-- by John Schuerholz.

Is it A, B or a combination of both.

Nice out-of-box thinking, though.

757690
10-12-2012, 09:51 PM
If Baker is fired, he would immediately be at the top of nearly everyone's list who is looking for a manager next year. He definitely would be a better option than anyone listed in this thread.

15fan
10-12-2012, 09:52 PM
Cox isn't unretiring.

I pray that LaRussa isn't, either.

westofyou
10-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Cox isn't unretiring.

I pray that LaRussa isn't, either.

Or Torre

westofyou
10-12-2012, 09:59 PM
Orel Hershiser, David Bell and Dave Martinez. Short list and I'd keep it that way.

I like the Martinez pick... And briefly he was a Red

Krusty
10-12-2012, 10:05 PM
Lou Pinella. What better situation to come out of retirement?

Revering4Blue
10-12-2012, 10:07 PM
I like the Martinez pick... And briefly he was a Red

I believe that Martinez is clearly the best of the non-retreads out there if a change must be made.

Wonderful Monds
10-12-2012, 10:22 PM
I like the Martinez pick... And briefly he was a Red

Plus RedsZone may finally get its wish and see Ryan Hanigan at the top of the lineup.

George Anderson
10-12-2012, 10:30 PM
I believe that Martinez is clearly the best of the non-retreads out there if a change must be made.

What is his resume?
Why is he considered a hot commodity?

757690
10-12-2012, 10:33 PM
What is his resume?
Why is he considered a hot commodity?

Joe Maddon protege'.

Ghosts of 1990
10-12-2012, 11:02 PM
Let's face it, the names out there don't seem to be that great, and I hope that Dusty is back.

Team Clark
10-12-2012, 11:31 PM
I believe that Martinez is clearly the best of the non-retreads out there if a change must be made.

I agree. I'm a huge fan of Hershiser too, but I think Martinez has more pertinent coaching experience. Maddon has noted several times that Martinez is responsible for a great deal of the daily operations of the Rays.

Bell is an intriguing candidate and knows the game as thoroughly as anyone. I think the jury may still be out on his ability to develop players. He's at least close to becoming a serious candidate or a MLB coach.

CySeymour
10-12-2012, 11:57 PM
I agree. I'm a huge fan of Hershiser too, but I think Martinez has more pertinent coaching experience. Maddon has noted several times that Martinez is responsible for a great deal of the daily operations of the Rays.

Bell is an intriguing candidate and knows the game as thoroughly as anyone. I think the jury may still be out on his ability to develop players. He's at least close to becoming a serious candidate or a MLB coach.

Any insight into Bell's in-game management skills? Or do AAA managers have their hands tied too much by organizational directives to get a good indication how they perform?

westofyou
10-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Any insight into Bell's in-game management skills? Or do AAA managers have their hands tied too much by organizational directives to get a good indication how they perform?

3rd generation legacy guy?

He'll be like all the others before him is my guess, The Book.. and not Tom Tango's

CySeymour
10-13-2012, 12:17 AM
3rd generation legacy guy?

He'll be like all the others before him is my guess, The Book.. and not Tom Tango's

If that is the choice, then I say keep Dusty.

WVPacman
10-13-2012, 12:17 AM
Ok I'll throw a name out!!

What do you all think Lloyd McClendon and what he could do with this team? He done a good job with the pirates with the players they had.With a team like the reds I think he could do a much better job than when he was with the pirates.

Team Clark
10-13-2012, 12:26 AM
Any insight into Bell's in-game management skills? Or do AAA managers have their hands tied too much by organizational directives to get a good indication how they perform?

As far as in game management, I really don't think you would find David overmatched. I'd be a bit more curious about lineup development than tactics. David is a solid baseball guy. I'm just curious about overall player development.

Gauging minor league managers on W-L is awful risky. The big league teams dictate so much and really disrupt a team's ability to gel and play well together. If you went by wins and losses and championships, Mark Berry would be the manager of this team. He was an "up and coming" minor league manager until Jack McKeon pulled him up and made him a bullpen catcher/extra coach. I actually think that ruined his career path. Just my opinion.

If you watch closely this year, Arnie Beyeler who won the IL championship probably won't even get a sniff this year. Trey Hillman is a good case study.

Picking managers is a real crap shoot. Honestly, there might not be a more intelligent and resourceful baseball guy on any staff than Tony Pena. He had his shot and its unlikely he'll receive another. Mattingly was lucky to be on a staff where he could learn the ropes from 2 of the best in Torre and Zimmer. Willie Randolph sure rode the Yankees success into a job he was not equipped to handle. Same thing with Mazzilli.

Bud Black, Roenicke, and Maddon all had the great fortune of paying their dues in some respect as well as being on Mike Scioscia's staff.

I like Mike Matheny. You're not going to trick the guy. He's calm, calculated and handles his clubhouse. He didn't need to go to A ball to prove that to anyone. Ventura is the same way. What would he need to prove? Those guys were the right fit for their club.

Pete Rose was a decent manager. I can't imagine Pete learning much about baseball or managing in the minors.

There's a lot I like about Dusty. There's stuff I don't like. What REALLY bothers me is the team's inability to make adjustments at the plate. It just kills this team. The Reds were fortunate that the NL Central was a flat out joke. They picked up a lot of wins that really made them shine. No one can argue that the stretch of games they played while Votto was out was great to watch but when they faced tough teams, it seemed to me they struggled.

How many times do you have to watch Stubbs, Frazier, Phillips, Cozart have the SAME AT BATS over and over and over. Once the league caught on that Frazier has trouble with the ball away and breaking ball down..... Cooked. Every at bat for Stubbs is a carbon copy of the one before. Phillips is so talented he gets away with murder. He can be duped easily but he also knows what he can jump on. Thank god he has that figured out. Cozart gets a pass this year.

These issues fall solely on the hitting coach. This is his responsibility. Preparation and the ability to work through adjustments. If you don't make adjustments in the Major Leagues you will not stick around. Jacoby needs to be replaced before Dusty goes, IMO.

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 12:34 AM
As far as in game management, I really don't think you would find David overmatched. I'd be a bit more curious about lineup development than tactics. David is a solid baseball guy. I'm just curious about overall player development.

Gauging minor league managers on W-L is awful risky. The big league teams dictate so much and really disrupt a team's ability to gel and play well together. If you went by wins and losses and championships, Mark Berry would be the manager of this team. He was an "up and coming" minor league manager until Jack McKeon pulled him up and made him a bullpen catcher/extra coach. I actually think that ruined his career path. Just my opinion.

If you watch closely this year, Arnie Beyeler who won the IL championship probably won't even get a sniff this year. Trey Hillman is a good case study.

Picking managers is a real crap shoot. Honestly, there might not be a more intelligent and resourceful baseball guy on any staff than Tony Pena. He had his shot and its unlikely he'll receive another. Mattingly was lucky to be on a staff where he could learn the ropes from 2 of the best in Torre and Zimmer. Willie Randolph sure rode the Yankees success into a job he was not equipped to handle. Same thing with Mazzilli.

Bud Black, Roenicke, and Maddon all had the great fortune of paying their dues in some respect as well as being on Mike Scioscia's staff.

I like Mike Matheny. You're not going to trick the guy. He's calm, calculated and handles his clubhouse. He didn't need to go to A ball to prove that to anyone. Ventura is the same way. What would he need to prove? Those guys were the right fit for their club.

Pete Rose was a decent manager. I can't imagine Pete learning much about baseball or managing in the minors.

There's a lot I like about Dusty. There's stuff I don't like. What REALLY bothers me is the team's inability to make adjustments at the plate. It just kills this team. The Reds were fortunate that the NL Central was a flat out joke. They picked up a lot of wins that really made them shine. No one can argue that the stretch of games they played while Votto was out was great to watch but when they faced tough teams, it seemed to me they struggled.

How many times do you have to watch Stubbs, Frazier, Phillips, Cozart have the SAME AT BATS over and over and over. Once the league caught on that Frazier has trouble with the ball away and breaking ball down..... Cooked. Every at bat for Stubbs is a carbon copy of the one before. Phillips is so talented he gets away with murder. He can be duped easily but he also knows what he can jump on. Thank god he has that figured out. Cozart gets a pass this year.

These issues fall solely on the hitting coach. This is his responsibility. Preparation and the ability to work through adjustments. If you don't make adjustments in the Major Leagues you will not stick around. Jacoby needs to be replaced before Dusty goes, IMO.

Do you have any idea why hitters are getting so good when they end up in Toronto? Is it coaching? Sign stealing in the OF? Something "extra" in the trainers room?

Tom Servo
10-13-2012, 12:44 AM
I still don't know why Brooks Jacoby has immunity and why Chris Chambliss got fired for the bats going dormant at the end of 06.

Superdude
10-13-2012, 12:55 AM
There's a lot I like about Dusty. There's stuff I don't like. What REALLY bothers me is the team's inability to make adjustments at the plate. It just kills this team. The Reds were fortunate that the NL Central was a flat out joke. They picked up a lot of wins that really made them shine. No one can argue that the stretch of games they played while Votto was out was great to watch but when they faced tough teams, it seemed to me they struggled.

How many times do you have to watch Stubbs, Frazier, Phillips, Cozart have the SAME AT BATS over and over and over. Once the league caught on that Frazier has trouble with the ball away and breaking ball down..... Cooked. Every at bat for Stubbs is a carbon copy of the one before. Phillips is so talented he gets away with murder. He can be duped easily but he also knows what he can jump on. Thank god he has that figured out. Cozart gets a pass this year.

These issues fall solely on the hitting coach. This is his responsibility. Preparation and the ability to work through adjustments. If you don't make adjustments in the Major Leagues you will not stick around. Jacoby needs to be replaced before Dusty goes, IMO.

I'm starting to wonder the same thing. It seems like we've had so many guys come up, succeed, and then regress to varying degrees when the "book" gets out. Cozart began to resemble Janish the second half, Stubbs never did make it back, and even Bruce, for all the worlds of talent, is a career .255 hitter now. Maybe this is normal, but I feel like it's a little odd that I'm wondering how Frazier might regress next season instead of expecting him to improve. (I say this with the exception of Votto because something tells me I could've coached that guy to an MVP)

corkedbat
10-13-2012, 01:59 AM
Gotta admit, I'm kinda hoping Dusty is pining to manage the Dodgers and that the feeling is quite mutual. I like Martinez a lot. Dusty or no Dusty, I agree that it's tme for Brooks to move on.

Team Clark
10-13-2012, 02:15 AM
Do you have any idea why hitters are getting so good when they end up in Toronto? Is it coaching? Sign stealing in the OF? Something "extra" in the trainers room?

Has to be the Ginger Ale....

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-13-2012, 02:37 AM
I still don't know why Brooks Jacoby has immunity and why Chris Chambliss got fired for the bats going dormant at the end of 06.

He's one of "Dusty's guys" and you know those guys are untouchable.

It practically took an act of Congress to get Corey Patterson out of here.

Is there any doubt at all that Scott Rolen is the starting 3B, Drew Stubbs is the starting CF and Miguel Cairo is back on the bench next year if Dusty has his way?

Wonderful Monds
10-13-2012, 02:52 AM
He's one of "Dusty's guys" and you know those guys are untouchable.

It practically took an act of Congress to get Corey Patterson out of here.

Is there any doubt at all that Scott Rolen is the starting 3B, Drew Stubbs is the starting CF and Miguel Cairo is back on the bench next year if Dusty has his way?

I actually think Drew is gone by everyone's preference by next year. Being pinch hit for in his last AB was an eye opener.

cincinnati chili
10-13-2012, 04:37 AM
No on Jim Tracy. He makes Dusty look like Earl Weaver.

Based on what? I follow the Reds and Rockies more than any other team. Dusty seriously makes 10 questionable decisions for every 1 that Tracy makes.

GAC
10-13-2012, 05:24 AM
Maybe after last night's 9th inning meltdown the Nat's FO will fire Davey and we can hire him? ;)

GAC
10-13-2012, 05:26 AM
Lou Pinella. What better situation to come out of retirement?

Lou lost that fire in his belly. No Thanks.

I do like the Martinez suggestion.

Chip R
10-13-2012, 07:56 AM
If TLR is offered the job I'm becoming an Indian's fan. :mooner:

That's what you said about Dusty. :lol:

Raisor
10-13-2012, 08:31 AM
Larry. Dierker.