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Magdal
10-12-2012, 07:23 PM
He is entering free agency and wants to cash in like most of today's players, so he will be leaving the Cards. They won't pay him what he wants. You know he will only go with a contender unless he is offered CRAZY money.

My thinking is that knowing the NL hitters he will prefer to stay in the NL. Now I don't know if Walt brought Kyle to St. Louis, but I think he did. We all know that Walt covets his old aquisitions....the list is too long to mention.

In my mind that makes the Reds the number 1 team in contention for his services. I don't know the payroll situation in Cincy, so I won't address that. What teams would he concider moving to? Philly? No. He can't be the MAN there. LA? No. They have spent too much already.....so that reasonably leaves the Giants, Nats, Braves and REDS.

I think the Reds will have the inside track. You think?

RedTruck
10-12-2012, 07:42 PM
He is entering free agency and wants to cash in like most of today's players, so he will be leaving the Cards. They won't pay him what he wants. You know he will only go with a contender unless he is offered CRAZY money.

My thinking is that knowing the NL hitters he will prefer to stay in the NL. Now I don't know if Walt brought Kyle to St. Louis, but I think he did. We all know that Walt covets his old aquisitions....the list is too long to mention.

In my mind that makes the Reds the number 1 team in contention for his services. I don't know the payroll situation in Cincy, so I won't address that. What teams would he concider moving to? Philly? No. He can't be the MAN there. LA? No. They have spent too much already.....so that reasonably leaves the Giants, Nats, Braves and REDS.

I think the Reds will have the inside track. You think?

Depends what we do with Leake.

If we decide to keep him than sure. But I think there eyeing on letting Chapman be a starter next season. Personally I think leake will either be dealt or sent to AAA. Probably AAA, since he'll be used as a backup.

We still have Arroyo till 2014 as well. So we don't really need replacing.

Plus I see Loshe sticking with the Cards imo.

Magdal
10-12-2012, 08:05 PM
Depends what we do with Leake.

If we decide to keep him than sure. But I think there eyeing on letting Chapman be a starter next season. Personally I think leake will either be dealt or sent to AAA. Probably AAA, since he'll be used as a backup.

We still have Arroyo till 2014 as well. So we don't really need replacing.

Plus I see Loshe sticking with the Cards imo.Nope...it's a done deal. They shook hands and bid him good luck. He's gone.

storer50
10-12-2012, 08:50 PM
I remember a Kyle lohse that pitched for us. My answer would have to be oh heck no.

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HometownHero
10-12-2012, 09:14 PM
He better not, whoever signs him will get a bust and I hope its not us.

joshua
10-13-2012, 02:01 AM
Chapman will not be in the rotation, he's a closer from here on out. He crushes the role and provides confidence every time he comes in late in the game, whereas if he's a starter you really don't know what you're going to get...and if you try him in the rotation for two months, it doesn't work out and he goes back to closer and has his confidence ruined, how stupid does the club look? When the strength of your team is a pitching staff that's won 97 games, you only change weaknesses....the closer spot is not a weakness. The fifth spot and a few bullpen arms are all that will change.

New back on topic:

Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, Lohse? That's a crazy good rotation. The Reds didnt have Price when Lohse was last here.

Krawhitham
10-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Chapman will not be in the rotation, he's a closer from here on out. He crushes the role and provides confidence every time he comes in late in the game

He does not like the role and he is not built for the roll. They shut him down twice this year with arm fatigue. Once for a week then then again for two weeks

Magdal
10-13-2012, 02:57 AM
Lohse playing for the Reds would INSURE another cen div win

RedTruck
10-13-2012, 03:11 AM
He does not like the role and he is not built for the roll. They shut him down twice this year with arm fatigue. Once for a week then then again for two weeks

Exactly.

Plus the plan was always to have Chapman start, and chapman has always stated that he has wanted to start as well.

I look at this way. Would I prefer a potential ace in the rotation who can go 8 innings every time he's out there? Or would I prefer just 1 inning here and there? The answers clear. Let him start, if he fails, he can go back to the closers role.

VirginiaPreps
10-13-2012, 08:11 AM
Don't you think the mega dollars it would take to sign Lohse would be better spent elsewhere?

I agree plugging him into the rotation would make it super good.

Lohse is likely to demand big bucks and some pitching poor team that fancies itself a contender will pay them

The Reds need at least one outfielder a thirdbaseman (depending) on where you plug Frazier, not to mention some decent bench depth.

I would put the money you would use on Lohse towards acquiring more offense!

DocRed
10-13-2012, 10:19 AM
I would say no because it is akin to buying a stock at its peak. He won't be cheap coming off last season.

Salukifan2
10-13-2012, 10:33 AM
Depends what we do with Leake.

If we decide to keep him than sure. But I think there eyeing on letting Chapman be a starter next season. Personally I think leake will either be dealt or sent to AAA. Probably AAA, since he'll be used as a backup.

We still have Arroyo till 2014 as well. So we don't really need replacing.

Plus I see Loshe sticking with the Cards imo.

No way. The cards have 5 big time right handed starters (Miller, Rosenthal, Kelly, Carlos martinez, and Michael Wacha) on the cusp of pitching in the bigs and all with amazing talent. Thats why so many cardinals fans were pised about the cardinals signing westbrook to a 2 year extension

DocRed
10-13-2012, 10:40 AM
No way. The cards have 5 big time right handed starters (Miller, Rosenthal, Kelly, Carlos martinez, and Michael Wacha) on the cusp of pitching in the bigs and all with amazing talent. Thats why so many cardinals fans were pised about the cardinals signing westbrook to a 2 year extension

Wow, must be nice having 5 Stephen Strassburg's in the waiting...;)

Salukifan2
10-13-2012, 10:45 AM
Maybe not quite Strassburg's but reds fans saw miller on the last day of the reg season. The reds started all their regulars and Miller made them all look stupid except for phillips who had a couple hard hit balls for out. If youve been watching the cards nats season youve seen Kelly and Rosenthal and how they have been absolutly mowing down the nats. Martines is in triple a and is literally the same pitcher that pedro was at the same age except with better stuff (thats mlb analysts saying that, not me). And wacha K'd 40 batters in 20 inning he got after being drafted out of texas a&m. In 2 months he moved from the gulf coast league to double A.

Tuff Nut
10-13-2012, 11:54 AM
The Reds have pitching. It is offense that needs a pick-me-up, or three.

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 08:24 PM
Lohse was a Mozeilak hire, not a Jockety hire. with cinci's payroll, I think that would be a big mistake. I'm guessing Lohse gets some where around 5/75 mil and whoever gives it to him is really going to regret it.

birdsonthebat
10-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Why would you want him?

His pitching stats are all "luck" since he plays for the Cardinals.

dtreidjr
10-14-2012, 12:09 AM
Lohse was a Mozeilak hire, not a Jockety hire. with cinci's payroll, I think that would be a big mistake. I'm guessing Lohse gets some where around 5/75 mil and whoever gives it to him is really going to regret it.

He will get 3 years at most. I say they try for 3/45 mil.

Magdal
03-25-2013, 09:07 AM
Apologies for resurecting this old dog, but for some reason I'm unable to start a new thread, 'tho I can post on others.:confused:

On Lohse: He certainly will not join the Reds as the staff is rock solid, in my book. I look for a 100 win season. The subtraction of Stubbs and Rolen alone will add 10 wins! Maybe more.

With 1 week left Lohse is STILL un-signed. Just amazing. What do the teams know that I don't? How can a guy go 17 and 3 and be totally ignored? :confused:

On the Cardinals: They may very well lead the league in runs scored, but the starting rotation is a horrible mess. No Carpenter, no Lohse, Garcia coming off a terrible year even BEFORE the injury...Waino clearly deminished and Westbrook still Westbroke. The 5th starter most likely will be a rookie, Miller.

Reds win the Central in a WALK.

texasdave
03-25-2013, 09:26 AM
Magdal, where you been? Everyone is in ORG now except for the newbies. You can start threads in ORG. You can still post in Sundeck. Play ball!

Magdal
03-25-2013, 10:40 AM
Magdal, where you been? Everyone is in ORG now except for the newbies. You can start threads in ORG. You can still post in Sundeck. Play ball!

Org? What is Org?!! OK, I will look around for it.:)

Magdal
03-25-2013, 10:45 AM
Nope....did not find this Org of which you speak, Tex.

BEETTLEBUG
03-25-2013, 02:17 PM
Nope the brew crew doES THOUGH

KC2135
03-25-2013, 02:25 PM
Lohse was a Mozeilak hire, not a Jockety hire. with cinci's payroll, I think that would be a big mistake. I'm guessing Lohse gets some where around 5/75 mil and whoever gives it to him is really going to regret it.

i agree

mattfeet
03-25-2013, 02:59 PM
Org? What is Org?!! OK, I will look around for it.:)

Old Red Guard...the main discussion forum on RedsZone.

Magdal
03-26-2013, 07:15 PM
Old Red Guard...the main discussion forum on RedsZone.

OK, thx