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Redsfansince72
10-13-2012, 01:35 AM
I cant belive they came back from 6-0 and won 9-7 and scored 4 runs with 2 outs in the 9th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man I wish us Reds fans got what Cardinal fans get and that consistent WINNING!!! in the Post Season!!

Kcbuckeye22
10-13-2012, 01:38 AM
They made a deal with the devil.

Seat5
10-13-2012, 01:47 AM
Cards just seem to be built for playoff baseball & I'm not sure the Reds are.
Of course I'm pretty bitter right know so...

Norm Chortleton
10-13-2012, 02:00 AM
Cards = situational hitting.
Reds (except Votto) = trying to hit the Tundra sign regardless of the count, score, etc.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 02:30 AM
.236 minor league hitters becoming post season hero's isn't clutch its luck, the same way they get every check swing call while the Nats got rang up and how they drew 8 walks to the Nats one.

BABIP loves the Cards and we can't catch a break with it.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 02:40 AM
.236 minor league hitters becoming post season hero's isn't clutch its luck, the same way they get every check swing call while the Nats got rang up and how they drew 8 walks to the Nats one.

BABIP loves the Cards and we can't catch a break with it.

And yesterday, a call that had been a strike all game was called a ball for the Nats that gave way to the Werth homerun. I respect the heck out of you Hometown, but it's time to give the Birds a little credit. Their fight is unbelievable. I've been a Cardinal fan. Born and raised, and even I can't explain how it happens time and time again.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 02:47 AM
And yesterday, a call that had been a strike all game was called a ball for the Nats that gave way to the Werth homerun. I respect the heck out of you Hometown, but it's time to give the Birds a little credit. Their fight is unbelievable. I've been a Cardinal fan. Born and raised, and even I can't explain how it happens time and time again.

They were 6 games out of the normal WC spot and are now in the last two NLCS despite finishing 15 total games out of 1st. In the playoffs its getting in and getting lucky and the Cards are the best team at that in the game.

A money making gimmick is literally the only way they get into the playoffs, no other year in the history of MLB would they have made it but this one and now they are going to go to the WS yet again with a poor record for the 3rd time in 7 years.

If we're going to talk calls.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1531765/nats_1.jpg

And the check swing in the 9th the late infield fly, the list can go on forever.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 02:55 AM
They were 6 games out of the normal WC spot and are now in the last two NLCS despite finishing 15 total games out of 1st. In the playoffs its getting in and getting lucky and the Cards are the best team at that in the game.

A money making gimmick is literally the only way they get into the playoffs, no other year in the history of MLB would they have made it but this one and now they are going to go to the WS yet again with a poor record for the 3rd time in 7 years.

If we're going to talk calls.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1531765/nats_1.jpg

And there's been plenty of calls that have gone either way. Poor umpiring is going to happen. I openly admit the infield fly was a joke. But blaming the Cardinals for being the team to make the second WC is kinda lame. If the second WC beat the Reds, you'd be complaining about that. Don't blame the Cardinals for making the playoffs under the current rules. Blame those who made the rules. The Cardinals did what they needed too to make it into the playoffs. Is it kind of a joke, sure. But under the current rules, they did what they needed too. Different point. During the NCAA tournament, when a 6 seed knocks off a 1 or 2 seed, is a joke? Is it a farce? No. The playoffs are just that, the teams that made it under the current rules.

I'd be making the same argument if the Reds were the WC and the Cards won the central. Don't blame the teams that compete.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 03:03 AM
I never want the Reds to get the 2nd WC I have said how dumb the idea was before the Cards even won it. Each year MLB is devaluing its regular season and all that matters is the last two week getting hot and winning some short series that play noting like the 162 grind that decides who make its.

Magdal
10-13-2012, 03:07 AM
Look guys....it was not the Cards that knocked you out in this Post season.

Stop hating.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 03:09 AM
I never want the Reds to get the 2nd WC I have said how dumb the idea was before the Cards even won it. Each year MLB is devaluing its regular season and all that matters is the last two week getting hot and winning some short series that play noting like the 162 grind that decides who make its.

I agree with you. 100%. I've thought it should be a play off of the league champions. Best record get 1st round bye and meets the winner of the division series. But that's not how things are.

That being said, under the current rules, will you give the Birds even a shred of credit for fighting back? I said numerous times after Votto went down how impressive the run of victories was the Reds went on. Even the tiniest bit of credit?

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 03:15 AM
The Cardinals have eliminated teams the last 2 years teams they were a collective 40 games worse than, that's average of 8 games worse per round.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 03:17 AM
Stop hating.

This isn't Cards talk, we do hate you! We hate you just like everyone team does. You team has stupid great luck everyone knows its but Cardinals fans who are too dumb to see and are literally the only people who don't see these comebacks coming from a mile a way. Hell I been here for months telling people what was going to happen.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 03:22 AM
So they perform in the post season. What else do you want?

Want me to go back and start rattling off teams in various sports that beat teams they weren't supposed to?

How about the 100+ game winning 2004 cardinals getting swept int he world serious by the Sox? Was that a joke too? No. Both teams did what they needed to do under the current rules to be in that position. For one second, stop trying to explain away their "luck" (yes i quoted it) and look at what they've done. In 2006, they weren't supposed to beat the Tigers, but 4 games to 1 is no farce. In 2011, they were going to get steam rolled by the Phillies. Nope. They were supposed to get blasted by the Brewers. Didn't happen. No way they hung with the pitching and hitting of the Rangers. Guess what? it happened. All that cannot be just luck. Love him or hate him. La Russa did one heck of a job last post season and they have continued the hard nosed never give up attitude.

Say what you want, but you can't explain it. Neither an I, but it is impressive and you HAVE to give them some credit. If you don't, it's nothing but sour grapes.

Krawhitham
10-13-2012, 03:24 AM
They walk more, strike out less and bat 20 points higher than the Reds

But main difference is they have lead off hitters
Reds
.208 AVG
.254 OPB
10 SB
83 Runs

Cards
.272 AVG
.337 OBP
21 SB
102 Runs

Stray
10-13-2012, 03:29 AM
Cards = situational hitting.
Reds (except Votto) = trying to hit the Tundra sign regardless of the count, score, etc.

This

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 03:38 AM
How about the 100+ game winning 2004 cardinals getting swept int he world serious by the Sox? Was that a joke too?

Boston won 98 games in a division with the 101 win Yanks, the Cards also didn't have Chris Carpenter who they went 20-8 in his starts that year for the playoffs.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 03:59 AM
Sour grapes. Incapable of giving credit where credit is due.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 04:10 AM
Sour grapes. Incapable of giving credit where credit is due.

When you finish 6 games back of the normal WC you don't get credit. This is literally the only year in the history of MLB the Cards get in. If you keep letting worse and worse teams in even the Astros can win a series off a good team. 2 teams in the AL didn't even get into the playoffs with a better record than the Cards and they didn't load up on win vs Cubs and Houston.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 04:31 AM
When you finish 6 games back of the normal WC you don't get credit. This is literally the only year in the history of MLB the Cards get in. If you keep letting worse and worse teams in even the Astros can win a series off a good team. 2 teams in the AL didn't even get into the playoffs with a better record than the Cards and they didn't load up on win vs Cubs and Houston.

12-4 and 8-0....completely doable by the Cubs and Astros in a postseason series...8-0 ON THE ROAD.

The Cards split at home then took two on the road. Pure luck. Note my sarcasm.

You keep bringing up that they never would have made it any other year, while true, they did. And now they're in he LCS and the Reds are not. Keep throwing out Kozma stats. He performed. Keep saying they were lucky. You cannot deny they did what they needed to to make the playoffs this year.

As I stated before, do you discredit NCAA teams that take out the #1 seed? No. This is a playoff. The two teams with the bet record don't always make the final.

I realize you're only whining because the Reds couldn't get it done and the Cards did. Were the roles reversed you'd be quoting stats that were in favor of the Reds. As I said before, sour grapes.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 04:45 AM
How many games did Strasburg start? Cards fans are the dumbest they get in as the 11th best team in MLB watch the Braves beat themselves and see the Nats blow a massive lead with walks without one of the games best pitchers all will getting a unreal check swing call down to last strike and they think they have a great team.

Cards fans think others are jealous of them because they are good, everyone hates the Cards because they have stupid fans who are so dumb to honestly realize how lucky the really are.

Last 3 NLCS teams 88 wins 11th best team in baseball only in on new rule, 90 wins needed Braves to play .333 ball over the final 26 games, that Braves team wins more than this years Cards did and went home. in 2006 went with 83 wins that year 12 of the 24 other teams outside of the NL Central won more game.

The Cards are the luckiest team for a long while now. The only people who refuse to see that are the moronic Cards fans. The same fans who are so insecure they live on rival teams message rather than be happy with the other mouth breathers.

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 04:52 AM
They were 6 games out of the normal WC spot and are now in the last two NLCS despite finishing 15 total games out of 1st. In the playoffs its getting in and getting lucky and the Cards are the best team at that in the game.

A money making gimmick is literally the only way they get into the playoffs, no other year in the history of MLB would they have made it but this one and now they are going to go to the WS yet again with a poor record for the 3rd time in 7 years.

If we're going to talk calls.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1531765/nats_1.jpg

And the check swing in the 9th the late infield fly, the list can go on forever.

LOL your bitterness is absolutely hilarious, makes winning that much more enjoyable.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 04:56 AM
Like I said I told you the Cards trolls would be out in full force, they pulled a rabbit out of their ass and the first thing they want to do is come to a Reds board. Seems like the Cards fans may have a slight inferiority complex.

The fact we have 30 guests at 4AM Cincinnati time over 36 hours after the Reds finished playing shows how butthurt the Cards fans are in life even when their team wins then need to reach for justification or validation.

BigSwigg
10-13-2012, 06:52 AM
I never want the Reds to get the 2nd WC I have said how dumb the idea was before the Cards even won it. Each year MLB is devaluing its regular season and all that matters is the last two week getting hot and winning some short series that play noting like the 162 grind that decides who make its.

How many Wildcard teams are there in each league in the NFL?

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 07:16 AM
How many Wildcard teams are there in each league in the NFL?

What does a 16 game NFL season have to do with a 162 baseball season?

What made baseball so great and the national pastime was the two best teams played for the WS each year, then they went to 4, then 8 and now 10. Letting 1/3 of the teams into the playoffs of a game that plays 162 games is retarded.

The whole reason they play 162 games to begin with is to see who's the best teams are. The reason other sports let more teams in is because they don't play as many games to weed out the good from the bad and they get losing teams into their playoffs. When the two teams who weren't even in the 1/3 of baseball after 162 games are 2 of the final 4 teams left its bad for baseball long term, and far from the glory days of when the best teams won the Commissioners Trophy.

Today's game rewards bad teams who have to play to the wire rather than the good teams who lock up their spot early and lose in the playoffs. That's why the best teams hardly even make the World Series let alone win it.

Todd Gack
10-13-2012, 07:42 AM
Hey look everybody, a Cardinals fan on a Reds message board into the wee hours of the morning. Obviously here to be friendly with opponents' fans the night his team comes back from 2 down to go to NLCS.

I can't wait for the Cardinals to win another WS and this guy is starting his own threads on our 'Game Threads' board.

cw0802
10-13-2012, 11:06 AM
You'll never come around. The Cards could have swept the Nats and out scored them 30-3 in the series and they still would have been lucky.

Strasburg not pitching, while was a factor, Gio(possibly Cy Young winner) did pitch twice. He started off strong last night and faded. He never had control of his first outing either.

At some point, you have to put stats aside and say "wow that was unreal".

I honestly feel bad for you because you are incapable of appreciation. You personify the Reds fan base. Full of cynicism and negativity.

topsyt
10-13-2012, 11:25 AM
This from Hal McCoy says it all for me-"It was the sixth straight elimination game victory for the Cardinals ó and itís why the St. Louis Cardinals ARE the St. Louis Cardinals."

Luck, skill, swaggar-whatever-they always get the job done and post the W.

Hopefully someday Reds Fans hopefully someday.

Salukifan2
10-13-2012, 11:27 AM
Hometown just stop talking. You need to realize that you're just adding fuel to the fire bro. Cards fans are coming on here and love reading what you are posting because its making you look incredibly bitter. Cards fans love it because you talk so much sh*! about the cardinals on here and now they get to rub it in your face. Understand they're just laughing at you while keep responding. You're getting trolled hardcore man.

arkimadee
10-13-2012, 11:54 AM
Cards are a better clutch team than the Reds. What more can you say. For some reason the baseball Gods love the Cards and just love toying with the Reds. Also there 9th inning at bats were amazing last night. As much as I hate them and are jealous of there success hats off to them. They know what it takes to win. Now on to another long offseason. This will be the hardest one yet,

F. Monihan
10-13-2012, 12:09 PM
What does a 16 game NFL season have to do with a 162 baseball season?

What made baseball so great and the national pastime was the two best teams played for the WS each year, then they went to 4, then 8 and now 10. Letting 1/3 of the teams into the playoffs of a game that plays 162 games is retarded.

The whole reason they play 162 games to begin with is to see who's the best teams are. The reason other sports let more teams in is because they don't play as many games to weed out the good from the bad and they get losing teams into their playoffs. When the two teams who weren't even in the 1/3 of baseball after 162 games are 2 of the final 4 teams left its bad for baseball long term, and far from the glory days of when the best teams won the Commissioners Trophy.

Today's game rewards bad teams who have to play to the wire rather than the good teams who lock up their spot early and lose in the playoffs. That's why the best teams hardly even make the World Series let alone win it.

Would you be interested in a piece of cheese ?

smixsell
10-13-2012, 12:12 PM
Cards = situational hitting.
Reds (except Votto) = trying to hit the Tundra sign regardless of the count, score, etc.

Spot on. The playoffs is all about pitching and situational hitting. We are almost totally lacking in the latter.

But that shouldn't suprise us as the manager and hitting coach do not insist on our players learing to do it. "Get a good pitch and whale on it" is the hitting philosophy now, and we will be unlikely to win a WS until that philosophy changes.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 05:45 PM
Would you be interested in a piece of cheese ?

No I'm interested in the MLB not devaluing their playoffs even further than they did when it went to 8 team, now its even worst with 10. There is zero reason to play 162 games if you're going to let 1/3 of the teams into the playoffs.

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Like I said I told you the Cards trolls would be out in full force, they pulled a rabbit out of their ass and the first thing they want to do is come to a Reds board. Seems like the Cards fans may have a slight inferiority complex.

The fact we have 30 guests at 4AM Cincinnati time over 36 hours after the Reds finished playing shows how butthurt the Cards fans are in life even when their team wins then need to reach for justification or validation.


OR it shows just how amusing it is to listen to you cry about hating the cards.

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 06:19 PM
Hometown just stop talking. You need to realize that you're just adding fuel to the fire bro. Cards fans are coming on here and love reading what you are posting because its making you look incredibly bitter. Cards fans love it because you talk so much sh*! about the cardinals on here and now they get to rub it in your face. Understand they're just laughing at you while keep responding. You're getting trolled hardcore man.


Shhhh, don't ruin the fun

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 06:25 PM
No I'm interested in the MLB not devaluing their playoffs even further than they did when it went to 8 team, now its even worst with 10. There is zero reason to play 162 games if you're going to let 1/3 of the teams into the playoffs.

As cards fan, I would admit that the Cards record shouldn't have been good enough to get into the playoffs. But I think anyone who's objective can acknowledge why the second wild card is good for baseball. It makes teams care about winning the division, and in the AL, I don't think there was one team who you could argue didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

Meanwhile, if Bud Selig wants the Cardinals in the playoffs, then we aren't going to refuse that.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 06:31 PM
OR it shows just how amusing it is to listen to you cry about hating the cards.

Its a Reds board you goof, if you want people to love the Cards go to your own board jackass.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 06:47 PM
As cards fan, I would admit that the Cards record shouldn't have been good enough to get into the playoffs. But I think anyone who's objective can acknowledge why the second wild card is good for baseball. It makes teams care about winning the division, and in the AL, I don't think there was one team who you could argue didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

Meanwhile, if Bud Selig wants the Cardinals in the playoffs, then we aren't going to refuse that.


Its only good for making baseball more money! If you wanted to make it more about winning the division you wouldn't even have WC's but clearly you are not smart enough to realize that.

With every added WC you add its another team they doesn't need to care about winning its division thus making them worthless, its the same reason nobody can remember who won division titles in the NFL, NHL and NBA from one year to the next.

The WC teams faced zero punished this year, the only team punished was the Braves. The AL WC game was going to be played regardless since it would have been a game 163. None of the teams that won the WC games used their #1 so those teams face zero punished from the rotation stand point.

Literally the only thing to come out of the Wild Card was to have the 11th best team beat out a 4th best Braves team in a one game set up, that Braves team had 3 more wins than best Cards team had made since 05 with included 2 world champions, and 4 playoff teams. The Braves 94 wins is the best for a NL Wild Card team since the Giants 95 a decade ago, that team lost in the 7th game of the WS.

birdsonthebat
10-13-2012, 08:14 PM
I never want the Reds to get the 2nd WC I have said how dumb the idea was before the Cards even won it. Each year MLB is devaluing its regular season and all that matters is the last two week getting hot and winning some short series that play noting like the 162 grind that decides who make its.

You will be singing a different tune next season, when the Cardinals are 1st in the division and the Reds are fighting for one of the wild card spots.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 08:49 PM
You will be singing a different tune next season, when the Cardinals are 1st in the division and the Reds are fighting for one of the wild card spots.

I never want the Reds to get in as the 11th best team with 41% of the season wins coming vs teams with 90 or more losses.

Its also doubtful the Cards will win the division next year since they aren't going to have Houston to beat up on, you aren't going to pay Kyle Lohse who you have 9 of the 14 games over .500 in his starts, Jaime Garcia is going to need a shoulder surgery, Carpenter is going to be a year older and trying to hand on for 32 starts at 38 and Wainwright will hit the wall after throwing well over 200 innings after missing a full season. Strasburg worked 24 then jumped to 159.1 while Wainwright went from zero to 206.2 and counting.

Yadier Molina and Allen Craig aren't going to match their career years. Rafael Furcal will be back banged up and older and if he can't go Kozma isn't eventually going to go bad hitting like a .236 minor league hitter, Jon Jay is never going to have a .384 average with a .453 OBP at home again, and Beltran will be 36 the year that position players die in the post steroid era, and good money is on the Berkman track going from 30+ to injured.

The Cards are about to put all their hopes into rookies because key guys are about to get big money or will be gone.

In 2014 Wainwright and Carpenter become a FA, with Molina/Holliday/Garcia who may never be the same after shoulder surgery making 40M. Motte is about to go to arbitration for the 2nd time so he's going to get paid now this winter and it will be even more in 2014. Also in 2014 Fresse and Boggs will be in 2nd year of Arbitration and Jay and Craig will be in 1st year.

The window is closing and the owner is about to jump out of the game and cash out with maximum profits. The new owner may not be wanting to put in 25 more million bucks like they outspent the Reds this year.

Yadi for Mayor
10-13-2012, 09:27 PM
Its a Reds board you goof, if you want people to love the Cards go to your own board jackass.


No please don't stop, you're cracking me up with your bitterness.

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 09:30 PM
No please don't stop, you're cracking me up with your bitterness.

I didn't like it before Cards made it into a playoff spot and before we even lost.

birdsonthebat
10-13-2012, 09:36 PM
I didn't like it before Cards made it into a playoff spot and before we even lost.

You probably didn't like Jocketty, Rolen, Ludwick or Edmonds either, right?

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 10:02 PM
You probably didn't like Jocketty, Rolen, Ludwick or Edmonds either, right?

I love Jocko and Ludwick, Rolen is alright but has been broken down forever and never been a Jimmy fan since since he loved the fake dives on balls he could have just ran and caught.

Mastodon
10-13-2012, 10:19 PM
It's no secret the Umps call them loose in elimination games when a team with a large draw has a chance at advancing. MLB may be about competition but they like to make money too. The cards in the NLCS or WS will draw a larger audience than the Nats, so if the Umps or the league can give them a small nudge in the right direction and help them get in they're going to do it.

birdsonthebat
10-13-2012, 10:38 PM
I love Jocko and Ludwick, Rolen is alright but has been broken down forever and never been a Jimmy fan since since he loved the fake dives on balls he could have just ran and caught.

Did you like them before they joined your team?

HometownHero
10-13-2012, 10:49 PM
Did you like them before they joined your team?

Yes, Walt built the Cards into a great team and I respected his great moves to turn them around. Then I liked him even more after he got fired for shady reasoning and like typical Cards fans they turned their backs on and ripped him to death and still do, and was pumped when he came here just wish he had the same money to work with as the Cards had/have.

I got to meet Ludwick coming up in the minors and he was one of he nicest players I have ever met, been a fan since for around a decade and wanted to get him him the for 2011 after his bad stint at the end of 2010 with SD.

birdsonthebat
10-13-2012, 11:40 PM
Yes, Walt built the Cards into a great team and I respected his great moves to turn them around. Then I liked him even more after he got fired for shady reasoning and like typical Cards fans they turned their backs on and ripped him to death and still do, and was pumped when he came here just wish he had the same money to work with as the Cards had/have.

I got to meet Ludwick coming up in the minors and he was one of he nicest players I have ever met, been a fan since for around a decade and wanted to get him him the for 2011 after his bad stint at the end of 2010 with SD.

I never envied or coveted any Reds or Cubs players or any other team's management personnel.

What is that like?

HometownHero
10-14-2012, 01:08 AM
I never envied or coveted any Reds or Cubs players or any other team's management personnel.

What is that like?

Its not envy Its knowing the game and seeing someone who is good at his job and or players who are perfect fits for your teams needs. Clearly you envy or covet something or you wouldn't be trolling a Reds board, only people missing something in their life would feel the need to do so.

Salukifan2
10-14-2012, 02:15 AM
Hometown. I disagree with almost everything you say. I think youre totally wrong about the potential of the cardinals next year and years to come. I think youre completely wrong in the way you terribly generalize not only an entire organization but also the millions of fans that support that franchise. However, you make reading this thread enjoyable and are obviously not only a die hard red fan but a die hard baseball fan and for that I respect you. I look forward to many more disagreements with you.

HometownHero
10-14-2012, 02:21 AM
You just signed up with the other dozen of random new people out of the blue with no intent to troll. So since I take it you're a Cards fan so you would disagree since you guys always think every prospect is going to pan out, every fluke stat line or season is going to carry over for a full season or career, every player is going to take less money to stay and that the Cards never get a break when they get more than any team ever.

Maker_84
10-14-2012, 03:01 AM
unless the Reds go through a big offensive overhaul in the offseason, fire jacoby and baker then dont expect them to hit like the Cardinals anytime soon