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Always Red
10-23-2012, 09:07 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/10/23/adam-dunn-comeback-player-of-the-year.ap/index.html

.204 BA, but also 41 HR.

Discuss the most polarizing player in my Reds history.

CTA513
10-23-2012, 09:49 PM
I'm surprised his teammate Alex Rios didn't win it.

WMR
10-23-2012, 09:50 PM
Congrats to The Big Donkey.

Pronounced dead before his time. ;)

savafan
10-23-2012, 10:27 PM
Probably the worst batting average ever for anyone who won the award.

cincinnati chili
10-23-2012, 10:46 PM
I heard that some outfit gave it to Fernando Rodney, which I found puzzling because he didn't really "come back" as much as "come."

The .204 batting average doesn't mean much of anything, but the .333 OBP suggests that he hasn't really come back to where he was even in 2010. I always hated the Dave Kingman comparisons but if he doesn't start getting on base again, those comparisons will become fair.

Dan
10-23-2012, 10:54 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/10/23/adam-dunn-comeback-player-of-the-year.ap/index.html

.204 BA, but also 41 HR.

Discuss the most polarizing player in my Reds history.

I take it you weren't a fan when Eric Davis was around in the 80s.

Wonderful Monds
10-23-2012, 10:56 PM
I heard that some outfit gave it to Fernando Rodney, which I found puzzling because he didn't really "come back" as much as "come."

The .204 batting average doesn't mean much of anything, but the .333 OBP suggests that he hasn't really come back to where he was even in 2010. I always hated the Dave Kingman comparisons but if he doesn't start getting on base again, those comparisons will become fair.

No way, a ~.200 can't be simply hand waved away. He might be better than last year, but he's still declining pretty hard.

jojo
10-23-2012, 10:58 PM
Dunn's 2012 might be the worst 40 HR season in history.....

Wonderful Monds
10-23-2012, 11:03 PM
Dunn's 2012 might be the worst 40 HR season in history.....

Good call:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/03/dunn-granderson-have-worst-40-homer-seasons-ever/

WVPacman
10-23-2012, 11:56 PM
I would rather have him still in a reds uni than Stubbs ANYDAY.

Johnny Footstool
10-24-2012, 12:16 AM
I heard that some outfit gave it to Fernando Rodney, which I found puzzling because he didn't really "come back" as much as "come."

The .204 batting average doesn't mean much of anything, but the .333 OBP suggests that he hasn't really come back to where he was even in 2010. I always hated the Dave Kingman comparisons but if he doesn't start getting on base again, those comparisons will become fair.

The .204 batting average means that his OBP is now almost entirely driven by walks.

Dunner, I loved ya, but you're nearing the end.

AtomicDumpling
10-24-2012, 02:35 AM
Congrats Adam! Nice job this season.

Some people like to focus on stats like Batting Average and Strikeouts.
Some people like to focus on his .800 OPS, 41 Home Runs, 96 RBIs and 87 Runs Scored.

Adam Dunn has 400 Home Runs, 1000 RBIs and 1000 Runs Scored at the age of 32. That is a rare breed of hitter.

The guy is a solid hitter. He is not a superstar like Albert Pujols or Joey Votto -- never was and never will be. Too many people have held that against him. He has been a very productive hitter in unconventional ways. Some people just don't want to give him credit for his production because they don't like the way he does it. Production is production no matter how you get it done. Adam Dunn simply puts runs on the scoreboard for his team despite his AVG and Ks.

GAC
10-24-2012, 05:39 AM
I would rather have him still in a reds uni than Stubbs ANYDAY.

I'd want neither. But at least Stubbs can play the field. ;)

RedsBaron
10-24-2012, 06:38 AM
The .204 batting average means that his OBP is now almost entirely driven by walks.

Dunner, I loved ya, but you're nearing the end.

Yes. Dunn isn't that old but it is by no means certain he will last long enough to reach 500 career HRs. It wouldn't surprise me to see Dunn's career to be over in a couple of years.

blumj
10-24-2012, 06:56 AM
At the complete other end of the BA/HR spectrum, I think I would have given it to Mauer.

Superdude
10-24-2012, 07:07 AM
Yes. Dunn isn't that old but it is by no means certain he will last long enough to reach 500 career HRs. It wouldn't surprise me to see Dunn's career to be over in a couple of years.

So does Dunn have a case for HOF if he tops 500? It seemed like 500 was losing some mystique ten years ago, but with the steroid links and suppressed power in recent years, maybe the cachet of the 500 club will still be strong enough to push Dunn in? Or maybe I'm way off base.

RedsBaron
10-24-2012, 08:12 AM
So does Dunn have a case for HOF if he tops 500? It seemed like 500 was losing some mystique ten years ago, but with the steroid links and suppressed power in recent years, maybe the cachet of the 500 club will still be strong enough to push Dunn in? Or maybe I'm way off base.

Adam Dunn will be a long shot to make the HOF even if he reaches 500 career HRs. Right now his Hall of Fame Monitor Score is 73, well short of the 100 score of the "average" member of the HOF.
500 HRs has definitely lost its mystique. When I first started following baseball way, way back in 1965, it was headline stuff when Willie Mays became only the fifth member of the 500 HR club, joining Ruth, Foxx, Williams and Ott. In the 1960s and 70s it was routine to hear media types exclaim that a player had guaranteed himself a place in the HOF when he hit HR no. 500, as if Mays or Mantle or Aaron hadn't already earned first ballot HOF honors prior to hitting no. 500.
That's not the case anymore. We already have several members of the 500 club who have thus far been denied the HOF. If all Dunn ultimately brings to his argument is 500 HRs and little else, he will not and should not gain HOF membership.

Chip R
10-24-2012, 09:02 AM
So does Dunn have a case for HOF if he tops 500? It seemed like 500 was losing some mystique ten years ago, but with the steroid links and suppressed power in recent years, maybe the cachet of the 500 club will still be strong enough to push Dunn in? Or maybe I'm way off base.

Dunn's problem is that besides OBP, he doesn't bring anything else to the table besides HRs. All these other guys at one time were good to excellent on defense. They didn't get in just because they had 500 HRs.

CySeymour
10-24-2012, 09:10 AM
I'd want neither. But at least Stubbs can play the field. ;)

And run the bases. Dunn can only hurt you in the batters box.

Superdude
10-24-2012, 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=RedsBaron;2770194lThat's not the case anymore. We already have several members of the 500 club who have thus far been denied the HOF. If all Dunn ultimately brings to his argument is 500 HRs and little else, he will not and should not gain HOF membership.[/QUOTE]

The guys not in are being essentially blacklisted for steroids though. If he gets a second wind, I think he's got a shot at slipping in the side door for being one of the most consistent post-steroid era sluggers. His skills seem to be drying up quick though.

REDREAD
10-24-2012, 10:42 AM
The .204 batting average doesn't mean much of anything, but the .333 OBP suggests that he hasn't really come back to where he was even in 2010. I always hated the Dave Kingman comparisons but if he doesn't start getting on base again, those comparisons will become fair.

Or Rob Deer, with more power than Deer, but without Deer's decent defensive skills..

George Anderson
10-24-2012, 10:45 AM
So does Dunn have a case for HOF if he tops 500? It seemed like 500 was losing some mystique ten years ago, but with the steroid links and suppressed power in recent years, maybe the cachet of the 500 club will still be strong enough to push Dunn in? Or maybe I'm way off base.

Dunn won't get 3%.

REDREAD
10-24-2012, 10:47 AM
So does Dunn have a case for HOF if he tops 500? It seemed like 500 was losing some mystique ten years ago, but with the steroid links and suppressed power in recent years, maybe the cachet of the 500 club will still be strong enough to push Dunn in? Or maybe I'm way off base.

In my opinion, Dunn has no chance of making the HOF.
Too one dimensional.. he hits HR and gets a lot of walks because pitchers pitch around him with men on base (knowing they will either K or BB Dunn, both outcomes better than a HR).
Look at his reputation now overall.. Have people ever considered him a "star', even during his peak in Cincy/Wash? Nope.. Only 2 all star appearances, best he ever did in MVP voting was 21st..

Superdude
10-24-2012, 11:08 AM
Look at his reputation now overall.. Have people ever considered him a "star', even during his peak in Cincy/Wash? Nope.. Only 2 all star appearances, best he ever did in MVP voting was 21st..

That's a fair point. Say what you want about his K's not being an issue, but that kept him from ever putting up an eye popping, MVP type season that may have garnered him a few more votes.

Scrap Irony
10-24-2012, 11:24 AM
Fernando Rios was more deserving.

Dunn's what his critics insisted he was five years ago.

wolfboy
10-24-2012, 11:58 AM
Have you ever had deja deja deja deja deja vu?

WVPacman
10-24-2012, 03:12 PM
And run the bases. Dunn can only hurt you in the batters box.

When was the last time Stubbs got on base!!:laugh:

I take Dunn anyday!!