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Gallen5862
10-29-2012, 05:28 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2012/2614151.html

2013 MLB Draft order with Bonus pool numbers

The draft order for the first round is below, subject to change if any teams outside of the top 10 picks sign a free agent who merits compensation. If a free agent's former club offers him a one-year deal with a salary that matches the average of the top 125 salaries from 2012 (roughly $13.5 million), the new team forfeits its first-round pick (unless it's in the top 10, in which case the second-rounder is forfeited). The old club gets a choice at the end of the first round (but not the new team's selection).

Each team's approximate bonus pool to sign its picks in the first 10 rounds is in parentheses. Those numbers are based on the 2012 pick values, which will be adjusted upward to reflect the increase in MLB's revenues this year. Bonus pool money will shift from one team to another every time a competitive-balance lottery pick is traded (those deals only can occur during the regular season) or a compensation free agent changes clubs.

1. Astros ($10,880,000)
2. Cubs ($9,822,500)
3. Rockies ($9,490,700)
4. Twins ($7,700,700)
5. Indians ($7,693,000)
6. Marlins ($8,870,700)
7. Red Sox ($6,341,900)
8. Royals ($7,741,200)
9. *Pirates ($8,226,500)
10. Blue Jays ($5,941,300)
11. Mets ($6,487,300)
12. Mariners ($5,694,600)
13. Padres ($6,330,400)
14. Pirates (see above)
15. Diamondbacks ($6,766,200)
16. Phillies ($5,601,800)
17. Brewers ($5,660,200)
18. White Sox ($4,864,100)
19. Dodgers ($4,780,900)
20. Cardinals ($4,698,300)
21. Tigers ($6,035,500)
22. Angels ($4,584,300)
23. Rays ($4,525,900)
24. Orioles ($5,940,000)
25. Rangers ($4,419,900)
26. Athletics ($5,541,900)
27. Giants ($4,317,500)
28. Braves ($4,266,800)
29. Yankees ($4,216,300)
30. Reds ($5,596,600)
31. Nationals ($4,116,500)
*Compensation for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel.

icehole3
10-31-2012, 12:22 PM
hopefully they'll draft a SP :)

Gallen5862
11-28-2012, 06:14 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Braves To Sign B.J. Upton
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 28 at 4:49pm CST]
4:49pm: It's a five-year, $75.25MM contract, Rosenthal reports (on Twitter).

Upton declined a qualifying offer from the Rays, which means the Rays are now eligible to obtain a top pick in the 2013 draft. The Braves will surrender their first round draft pick to sign Upton, though that selection won't go directly to Tampa Bay.

marcshoe
11-28-2012, 10:58 PM
I was hoping the bonus numbers would be for powerball. Too late to buy a ticket anyway.

Benihana
12-12-2012, 08:16 PM
A very early, very quick look at some names I like 6 months prior to draft day:

SS Oscar Mercado
SS JP Crawford
3B Kris Bryant
OF Austin Wilson
OF Clint Frazier
OF Justin Williams
OF/LHP Trey Ball
1B/OF Dominic Smith

Will be interesting to see how the board develops over the next six months.

Gallen5862
12-13-2012, 02:53 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Angels To Sign Josh Hamilton
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 13 at 1:39pm CST]
1:39pm: It's a five-year, $125MM contract, ESPNDallas.com reports.



Hamilton received and turned down a qualifying offer from the Rangers, which means he'll be linked to draft pick compensation. The Rangers will obtain a compensatory selection for losing Hamilton, and the Angels will have to surrender their top pick (#22 overall) in 2013.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#U8QmHOSm1KMz67wd.99

Benihana
12-13-2012, 04:01 PM
So how does it work now, if you make a qualifying offer the player turns down and signs elsewhere (ie Rangers and Angels here), the Rangers get 1 sandwich pick and the Angels simply forfeit their first round pick (as opposed to giving that to the Rangers)?

Gallen5862
12-13-2012, 04:11 PM
The Braves and Angels forfeited their first round picks. The Rays get a comp first round pick and the Rangers will get a comp first round pick. The Angels #22 pick and the Braves #28 pick are gone. This means the Reds move up from pick #30 to pick #28.

Benihana
12-13-2012, 04:29 PM
The Braves and Angels forfeited their first round picks. The Rays get a comp first round pick and the Rangers will get a comp first round pick. The Angels #22 pick and the Braves #28 pick are gone. This means the Reds move up from pick #30 to pick #28.

Well, that's good (Forrest Gump voice)

lollipopcurve
12-13-2012, 07:02 PM
Reds are also getting one of those small-market supplemental picks, I think. Probably be around #40.

LeDoux
12-20-2012, 10:23 PM
Sorry to jump to a 2014 question, but as long as the Reds offer Choo around 12 million for 1 yr for 2015, will they also get a "comp pick" if he signs elsewhere?

Nathan
12-21-2012, 12:40 AM
Sorry to jump to a 2014 question, but as long as the Reds offer Choo around 12 million for 1 yr for 2015, will they also get a "comp pick" if he signs elsewhere?

Yep. The qualifying offer is based on an average of the top 125 salaries, so, that number will go up in 2013. (This past off season it was 13.3)

dunner13
12-21-2012, 09:04 AM
Isn't there some kind of lottery where small market teams get an extra pick?

camisadelgolf
12-21-2012, 02:35 PM
Isn't there some kind of lottery where small market teams get an extra pick?
Yes.

Nathan
12-21-2012, 07:20 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves
Kyle Lohse Cardinals
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees
Nick Swisher Yankees
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox

LeDoux
12-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Yep. The qualifying offer is based on an average of the top 125 salaries, so, that number will go up in 2013. (This past off season it was 13.3)

Thanks for clarifying this for me. :thumbup:

Gallen5862
12-24-2012, 02:53 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Teams Could Seek Compensation Free Agent Loophole
By Mike Axisa [December 24 at 12:12pm CST]
Some executives are already anticipating that clubs will make an effort to find a loophole for free agents attached to draft pick compensation according to ESPN's Buster Olney (Insider req'd). Forfeiting a draft pick for a free agent also means forfeiting the draft pool money associated with that pick, which is very valuable in this age of restricted draft spending.

Olney says teams have already internally discussed a modified sign-and-trade scenario, and he uses the Indians as an example. Since Cleveland has a protected first round pick and forfeited their second rounder to sign Nick Swisher, the next compensation free agent they sign will cause them to lose just a third rounder. They could sign a compensation free agent, then trade that player to another club in a pre-arranged deal, preumably for something deemed a bit more valuable than a third round pick.

The Yankees explored sign-and-trade scenarios with the Diamondbacks for Carl Pavano and Grant Balfour during the 2010-2011 offseason. Michael Bourn, Kyle Lohse, Rafael Soriano, and Adam LaRoche are the remaining unsigned compensation free agents, and there has been a limited market for all four this winter despite their on-field value. Players signed as free agents can not be traded until after June 15th without their written consent, so they would have to be on board with a sign-and-trade scenario.


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Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#dywtTV86P3dBlTIK.99

Gallen5862
12-24-2012, 02:55 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/olney_buster/id/8777314/michael-bourn-kyle-lohse-helped-possible-free-agency-loophole-mlb

A potential free-agency loophole
December, 24, 2012
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Nick Swisher tweeted that he's going home, after finishing his four-year, $56 million deal with the Cleveland Indians. But the fact that Swisher attended Ohio State was only part of the reason the Indians pursued him so aggressively. He is a good hitter who consistently gets on base and generates power, and his energy is relentless, an intangible that helps teams get through the natural lulls in the long schedule. The New York Yankees, who won a championship with Swisher in 2009, will miss that element next season.


But the fact is that Swisher appears to have had no other options, because of what seems to be the unanticipated consequences of baseball's new rules; he is among a group of players whose free agency has been sabotaged by the new parameters. And what some executives are already anticipating is that between now and the start of the baseball season, there will be an effort to find a rule loophole for players like Rafael Soriano, Kyle Lohse and Michael Bourn.

Benihana
01-02-2013, 10:13 AM
As of right now, the Reds will have the 28th and 37th overall selections in the 2013 draft.

It is possible the 28th pick could move up a couple slots depending on where the four remaining qualifying free agents (ie Bourn, LaRoche etc) sign.

19braves77
01-02-2013, 03:38 PM
Hoping the Reds take Karsten Whitson. They scouted him heavily when he was in high school.

Gallen5862
01-02-2013, 08:18 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Quick Hits: Qualifying Offers, Swisher, Kennedy
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 2 at 4:20pm CST]
All but seven of MLBTR's top 50 free agents have agreed to terms, but there are still dozens of unsigned players at this stage in the winter, as MLBTR’s Free Agent Tracker shows. Here are some links from around MLB as the 2013 portion of the 2012-13 offseason gets underway...

Yahoo's Jeff Passan explains the tension between the MLB teams that aim to keep their top draft picks and free agents such as Kyle Lohse, Rafael Soriano, Michael Bourn and Adam LaRoche, who are linked to draft pick compensation after declining qualifying offers. Agent Scott Boras, who represents Lohse, Soriano and Bourn, faces the challenge of finding contracts for these players at a time that some teams are hesitant to engage them.
Dave Cameron of FanGraphs wonders if the next collective bargaining agreement will adjust or even overhaul the current system of qualifying offers to find a balance for all parties involved.

dougdirt
01-02-2013, 08:31 PM
Hoping the Reds take Karsten Whitson. They scouted him heavily when he was in high school.

He had better rebound well after that terrible 2012 season. He had several injuries in 2012, but he is going to have to show that he is both healthy and able to dominate or he is going to really regret his passing up on signing in 2010.

Gallen5862
01-02-2013, 08:49 PM
http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2013-mlb-mock-draft-5-0-including-supplemental-and-lottery-picks/27824/

2013 MLB mock draft 5.0 with supplemental, lottery picks
By Dan Kirby on December 29, 2012 7:15 pm in Featured, Prospecting / 3 Comments



28. Cincinnati Reds — Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Cathedral Catholic HS (CA)

Starring for U18 Team USA, the 6’-5” left-hander went 2-0 in Seoul with 12 strikeouts, four walks and a 0.88 ERA over 16 innings. He has a sinking fastball that can touch 94 mph and also adds a mid-70s curveball that is still developing. As a junior, he had a 1.91 ERA, 1.01 WHIP and 79 K/20 BB over 66 innings. He led his team to a second straight state title last season by tossing a three-hitter with eight strikeouts in the championship game. High ceiling with a lot of projection due to his frame.

36. Cincinnati Reds — Keegan Thompson, RHP, Cullman HS (AL)

The 6’-3”, 185-pound right-hander had a dominant junior season going 7-2 with a 0.94 ERA and 119 K/5 BB over 67.1 innings. Features a mid-90s fastball, plus curve, a developing change-up and superb command of all three. Was the Gatorade Player of the Year in Alabama as a sophomore and also starred for 2011 U16 Team USA, going 2-0 with 18 strikeouts and only six hits allowed over 14 innings, including tossing a complete game shutout against Cuba in the gold medal game, striking out 12 while also going 4-for-5 at the plate with two RBI. Had seven strikeouts over six innings, allowing one run for 2012 U18 Team USA.

icehole3
01-03-2013, 04:19 AM
http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2013-mlb-mock-draft-5-0-including-supplemental-and-lottery-picks/27824/

2013 MLB mock draft 5.0 with supplemental, lottery picks
By Dan Kirby on December 29, 2012 7:15 pm in Featured, Prospecting / 3 Comments



28. Cincinnati Reds — Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Cathedral Catholic HS (CA)

Starring for U18 Team USA, the 6’-5” left-hander went 2-0 in Seoul with 12 strikeouts, four walks and a 0.88 ERA over 16 innings. He has a sinking fastball that can touch 94 mph and also adds a mid-70s curveball that is still developing. As a junior, he had a 1.91 ERA, 1.01 WHIP and 79 K/20 BB over 66 innings. He led his team to a second straight state title last season by tossing a three-hitter with eight strikeouts in the championship game. High ceiling with a lot of projection due to his frame.

36. Cincinnati Reds — Keegan Thompson, RHP, Cullman HS (AL)

The 6’-3”, 185-pound right-hander had a dominant junior season going 7-2 with a 0.94 ERA and 119 K/5 BB over 67.1 innings. Features a mid-90s fastball, plus curve, a developing change-up and superb command of all three. Was the Gatorade Player of the Year in Alabama as a sophomore and also starred for 2011 U16 Team USA, going 2-0 with 18 strikeouts and only six hits allowed over 14 innings, including tossing a complete game shutout against Cuba in the gold medal game, striking out 12 while also going 4-for-5 at the plate with two RBI. Had seven strikeouts over six innings, allowing one run for 2012 U18 Team USA.

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REDREAD
01-03-2013, 10:48 AM
there will be an effort to find a rule loophole for players like Rafael Soriano, Kyle Lohse and Michael Bourn.

This is kind of interesting though.
Why does there need to be a special case for guys like this, especially Bourn?

Bourn was a FA CF in a year where there were many openings for CF. Apparently he priced himself too high. He could've also had a one year deal at 13.3 million.
It just seems that if he drops his asking price enough, no team will care about losing a draft pick. (the odds of a draft pick becoming as good of a player as Bourne is pretty remote).

I think next year, more players are going to accept that one year 13.3 arbitration offer. IMO, Soriano should've accepted the arb offer.

Blitz Dorsey
01-06-2013, 07:44 PM
All hail the small-market supplemental picks! That is absolutely huge in a year like this when we're picking third-to-last in the first round because of our awesomeness last season.

Gallen5862
01-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves
Kyle Lohse Cardinals
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees Nationals
Nick Swisher Yankees Indians
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox

Updated with Nationals resigning Adam LaRoche, and Nick Swisher signing with the Indians.

Gallen5862
01-08-2013, 01:56 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2013/01/nick_swishers_signing_cost_cle.html

Nick Swisher's signing cost Cleveland Indians their No.2 pick in June draft, but they retained their No.1 pick: Hey Hoynsie

Hey Hoynsie: It appears that teams are reluctant to sign the remaining free agent players who are tied to draft pick compensation. Could the Indians benefit from this somehow, either by signing another player or doing a sign-and-trade with another team? -- Steve Alex, Gainesville, Fla.

Hey, Steve : The Indians cannot lose their No.1 pick even if they did sign another free agent who had received a qualifying offer from his former team. That's what they did with Nick Swisher and it cost them their second round pick and the bonus pool for signing that pick in the June draft.
Right now, however, GM Chris Antonetti said he's spent most of his free-agent dollars.

Nathan
01-11-2013, 08:56 PM
Updated with Nationals resigning Adam LaRoche, and Nick Swisher signing with the Indians.

:thumbup:Thanks. I posted that with the hopes of being able to edit as needed, but, found out, I couldn't (?).

Gallen5862
01-11-2013, 11:23 PM
YW Nathan. That was a good idea you had to start the list.

Gallen5862
01-15-2013, 07:41 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves
Kyle Lohse Cardinals
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees Nationals
Nick Swisher Yankees Indians
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox

Updated with Nationals signing Rafael Soriano.

Gallen5862
01-15-2013, 07:48 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Nationals To Sign Rafael Soriano
The decision to decline the Yankees’ qualifying offer linked Soriano to draft pick compensation. The Nationals will lose a draft pick for signing Soriano, and the Yankees will obtain a compensatory selection for their loss. The Nationals stand to lose the 29th overall selection, while the Yankees are now poised to gain the 32nd overall selection, Jim Callis of Baseball America notes (on Twitter). Throughout the process Boras insisted he’d find a favorable deal for his client.

Nathan
01-15-2013, 09:32 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves Indians
Kyle Lohse Cardinals Brewers
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees Nationals
Nick Swisher Yankees Indians
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox

Updated with Nationals signing Rafael Soriano.

So, two more left. Who's next?

Plus Plus
01-16-2013, 01:12 PM
So, two more left. Who's next?

My guess is Lohse re-signs with St Louis.

Gallen5862
01-22-2013, 09:38 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2013/2614564.html

Just two potential compensation free agents remain: Michael Bourn (Braves) and Kyle Lohse (Cardinals). The updated draft order is as follows:

First Round
1. Astros
2. Cubs
3. Rockies
4. Twins
5. Indians
6. Marlins
7. Red Sox
8. Royals
9. Pirates (for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel)
10. Blue Jays
11. Mets
12. Mariners
13. Padres
14. Pirates
15. Diamondbacks
16. Phillies
17. Brewers
18. White Sox
19. Dodgers
20. Cardinals
21. Tigers
Angels (forfeited No. 22 pick for free agent Josh Hamilton)
22. Rays
23. Orioles
24. Rangers
25. Athletics
26. Giants
Braves (forfeited No. 28 pick for free agent B.J. Upton)
27. Yankees
28. Reds
Nationals (forfeited No. 31 pick for free agent Rafael Soriano)
xx. Cardinals (potential pick for free agent Kyle Lohse)
29. Rays (for Upton)
30. Rangers (for Hamilton)
xx. Braves (potential pick for free agent Michael Bourn)
31. Yankees (for free agent Nick Swisher)
32. Yankees (for Soriano)
Supplemental First Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
33. Royals
34. Marlins (acquired from Pirates)
35. Diamondbacks
36. Orioles
37. Reds
38. Tigers (acquired from Marlins)
Second-Round Changes
Indians (forfeited No. 42 pick for Swisher)
Supplemental Second Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
68. Padres
69. Indians
70. Rockies
71. Athletics
72. Brewers
73. Marlins (acquired from Tigers)
Third-Round Changes
76. Mets (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Teddy Stankewicz)
96. Phillies (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Alec Rash)
Supplemental Third Round
106. Athletics (for failure to sign 2012 third-rounder Kyle Twomey)

Benihana
01-22-2013, 10:28 PM
Assuming we'll move up one more spot once Bourn signs. So that will leave us with, what, 27, 36, 65 and 103? Not bad to have (almost) four picks inside the top 100.

Benihana
02-09-2013, 05:24 PM
A very early, very quick look at some names I like 6 months prior to draft day:

SS Oscar Mercado
SS JP Crawford
3B Kris Bryant
OF Austin Wilson
OF Clint Frazier
OF Justin Williams
OF/LHP Trey Ball
1B/OF Dominic Smith

Will be interesting to see how the board develops over the next six months.

2 months later, this list still looks the same for me. Will be interesting to see it develop in another 2 months once the season starts...

Gallen5862
02-11-2013, 08:51 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...l-with-indians

Michael Bourn agrees to four-year, $48M deal with Indians


Free agent center fielder Michael Bourn has agreed to a four-year, $48 million deal with the Cleveland Indians, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Heyman also reports there's a vesting option for a fifth year worth $12 million if Bourn reaches 550 plate appearances in 2016.

The Indians pick fifth in the 2013 MLB draft, so their first-rounder is protected and they'll only lose a second-round pick for signing Bourn. If a team outside the top 10 in the draft signed Bourn, it would have lost its first-round selection. So this is a relative coup for the Indians.

Gallen5862
02-11-2013, 08:54 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves Indians
Kyle Lohse Cardinals
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees Nationals
Nick Swisher Yankees Indians
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox

Updated with Indians signing Michael Bourn.

Nathan
02-11-2013, 09:59 PM
Updated with Indians signing Michael Bourn.

Bourn effects the second round due to the signing of Swisher.

Gallen5862
02-11-2013, 11:21 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Indians To Sign Michael Bourn

Bourn is the second four-year deal that the Indians have given out this offseason, as the team also agreed to a four-year, $56MM contract with Nick Swisher in early January. Cleveland forfeited its second-round pick in order to sign Swisher, and the Bourn signing will cost them their competitive-balance pick, which would have been No. 69 overall according to Baseball America's Jim Callis (on Twitter). Bourn's former team, the Braves, will now receive the No. 31 pick in this year's draft as compensation for their loss, Callis adds.

Nathan
02-15-2013, 02:05 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Indians To Sign Michael Bourn

Bourn is the second four-year deal that the Indians have given out this offseason, as the team also agreed to a four-year, $56MM contract with Nick Swisher in early January. Cleveland forfeited its second-round pick in order to sign Swisher, and the Bourn signing will cost them their competitive-balance pick, which would have been No. 69 overall according to Baseball America's Jim Callis (on Twitter). Bourn's former team, the Braves, will now receive the No. 31 pick in this year's draft as compensation for their loss, Callis adds.

Oops, I was wrong. Didn't realize they had a protected pick, even though it's posted several times in this very thread..

Mario-Rijo
03-01-2013, 10:02 PM
So is this up to date? I assume we drop down to 38 in the Supplemental First Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks).


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2013/2614564.html

Just two potential compensation free agents remain: Michael Bourn (Braves) and Kyle Lohse (Cardinals). The updated draft order is as follows:

First Round
1. Astros
2. Cubs
3. Rockies
4. Twins
5. Indians
6. Marlins
7. Red Sox
8. Royals
9. Pirates (for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel)
10. Blue Jays
11. Mets
12. Mariners
13. Padres
14. Pirates
15. Diamondbacks
16. Phillies
17. Brewers
18. White Sox
19. Dodgers
20. Cardinals
21. Tigers
Angels (forfeited No. 22 pick for free agent Josh Hamilton)
22. Rays
23. Orioles
24. Rangers
25. Athletics
26. Giants
Braves (forfeited No. 28 pick for free agent B.J. Upton)
27. Yankees
28. Reds
Nationals (forfeited No. 31 pick for free agent Rafael Soriano)
xx. Cardinals (potential pick for free agent Kyle Lohse)
29. Rays (for Upton)
30. Rangers (for Hamilton)
xx. Braves (potential pick for free agent Michael Bourn)
31. Yankees (for free agent Nick Swisher)
32. Yankees (for Soriano)
Supplemental First Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
33. Royals
34. Marlins (acquired from Pirates)
35. Diamondbacks
36. Orioles
37. Reds
38. Tigers (acquired from Marlins)
Second-Round Changes
Indians (forfeited No. 42 pick for Swisher)
Supplemental Second Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
68. Padres
69. Indians
70. Rockies
71. Athletics
72. Brewers
73. Marlins (acquired from Tigers)
Third-Round Changes
76. Mets (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Teddy Stankewicz)
96. Phillies (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Alec Rash)
Supplemental Third Round
106. Athletics (for failure to sign 2012 third-rounder Kyle Twomey)

Gallen5862
03-02-2013, 01:11 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2013/2614738.html

First Round
1. Astros
2. Cubs
3. Rockies
4. Twins
5. Indians
6. Marlins
7. Red Sox
8. Royals
9. Pirates (for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel)
10. Blue Jays
11. Mets
12. Mariners
13. Padres
14. Pirates
15. Diamondbacks
16. Phillies
17. Brewers
18. White Sox
19. Dodgers
20. Cardinals
21. Tigers
Angels (forfeited No. 22 pick for free agent Josh Hamilton)
22. Rays
23. Orioles
24. Rangers
25. Athletics
26. Giants
Braves (forfeited No. 28 pick for free agent B.J. Upton)
27. Yankees
28. Reds
Nationals (forfeited No. 31 pick for free agent Rafael Soriano)
xx. Cardinals (potential pick for free agent Kyle Lohse)
29. Rays (for Upton)
30. Rangers (for Hamilton)
31. Braves (for free agent Michael Bourn)
32. Yankees (for free agent Nick Swisher)
33. Yankees (for Soriano)
Supplemental First Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
34. Royals
35. Marlins (acquired from Pirates)
36. Diamondbacks
37. Orioles
38. Reds
39. Tigers (acquired from Marlins)
Second-Round Changes
Indians (forfeited fifth pick in round for Swisher)
Supplemental Second Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
69. Padres
Indians (forfeited second pick in round for Bourn)
70. Rockies
71. Athletics
72. Brewers
73. Marlins (acquired from Tigers)
Third-Round Changes
76. Mets (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Teddy Stankewicz)
96. Phillies (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Alec Rash)
Supplemental Third Round
106. Athletics (for failure to sign 2012 third-rounder Kyle Twomey)

Benihana
03-02-2013, 11:35 PM
So we currently have 28, 38, 67 and 104?

Gallen5862
03-25-2013, 01:40 PM
First Round
1. Astros
2. Cubs
3. Rockies
4. Twins
5. Indians
6. Marlins
7. Red Sox
8. Royals
9. Pirates (for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel)
10. Blue Jays
11. Mets
12. Mariners
13. Padres
14. Pirates
15. Diamondbacks
16. Phillies
Brewers (forfeited No. 17 pick for free agent Kyle Lohse)
17. White Sox
18. Dodgers
19. Cardinals
20. Tigers
Angels (forfeited No. 22 pick for free agent Josh Hamilton)
21. Rays
22. Orioles
23. Rangers
24. Athletics
25. Giants
Braves (forfeited No. 28 pick for free agent B.J. Upton)
26. Yankees
27. Reds
Nationals (forfeited No. 31 pick for free agent Rafael Soriano)
28.Cardinals (potential pick for free agent Kyle Lohse)
29. Rays (for Upton)
30. Rangers (for Hamilton)
31. Braves (for free agent Michael Bourn)
32. Yankees (for free agent Nick Swisher)
33. Yankees (for Soriano)
Supplemental First Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
34. Royals
35. Marlins (acquired from Pirates)
36. Diamondbacks
37. Orioles
38. Reds
39. Tigers (acquired from Marlins)
Second-Round Changes
Indians (forfeited fifth pick in round for Swisher)
Supplemental Second Round (Competitive-Balance Lottery Picks)
69. Padres
Indians (forfeited second pick in round for Bourn)
70. Rockies
71. Athletics
72. Brewers
73. Marlins (acquired from Tigers)
Third-Round Changes
76. Mets (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Teddy Stankewicz)
96. Phillies (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Alec Rash)
Supplemental Third Round
106. Athletics (for failure to sign 2012 third-rounder Kyle Twomey)

Gallen5862
03-25-2013, 01:42 PM
Reds now have picks 27,38,67,104.

Gallen5862
03-25-2013, 01:52 PM
Just a reference post.

Players who received qualifying offers( Old Team new team)

Josh Hamilton Rangers Angels
Michael Bourn Braves Indians
Kyle Lohse Cardinals Brewers
Adam LaRoche Nationals Nationals
BJ Upton Rays Braves
Hiroki Kuroda Yankees Yankees
Rafael Soriano Yankees Nationals
Nick Swisher Yankees Indians
David Ortiz Red Sox Red Sox.

Updated with Brewers signing Kyle Lohse.

Gallen5862
04-02-2013, 06:46 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Quick Hits: Free Agency, Draft Bonus Pools

MLB's assigned draft bonus pools have risen 8.2% over last year, reports Jim Callis of Baseball America. Callis has obtained the bonus pools by team, from the Astros at nearly $11.7MM to the Nationals at about $2.7MM.

Gallen5862
04-02-2013, 06:50 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-bonus-pools-rise-8-2-percent/

Draft Bonus Pools Rise 8.2 Percent
Assigned pick values for the first 10 rounds of the 2013 draft have increased 8.2 percent from last year’s numbers, according to documents obtained by Baseball America. The total value for those rounds is $202,501,600.

2013 BONUS POOLS
Team Picks Team Total


Reds 11 $6,046,700

Benihana
04-14-2013, 09:24 AM
Can anyone post or PM the BA midseason Top 50 draft prospects? TIA

Gallen5862
04-18-2013, 09:47 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Draft Notes: Gray, Appel
By Tim Dierkes [April 18 at 1:08pm CST]
The 2013 Rule 4 draft takes place on June 6th, with the Astros, Cubs, Rockies, Twins, and Indians taking the first five picks. You can check out the full draft order here. The latest draft info:

6-foot-4, 240 pound Oklahoma righty Jonathan Gray is shooting up draft boards. ESPN's Keith Law had him eighth on March 14th, but now has him as the clear number two player behind another college righty, Stanford's Mark Appel. Gray, who hit 101 in several recent games according to scouts who talked to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, was drafted by the Royals in the 13th round in 2010 and the Yankees in the 10th round in 2011, and now projects to go very early in the 2013 draft. Oklahoma head baseball coach Sunny Golloway told ESPN's Teddy Mitrosilis, "He's going to Houston or the Cubs, No. 1 or No. 2."
Appel is "still clearly the best player in this draft," in the eyes of Law. Law wonders if the Astros or Cubs can "try to work out a deal less than the recommended bonus number but more than the figure Appel turned down from the Pirates last year ($3.8 million), with the carrot of a big league callup in September if he throws well after signing." Appel is an advisee of the Boras Corporation.

Gallen5862
04-21-2013, 03:54 PM
https://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/assigned-pick-values-bonus-pools-for-each-team/

Assigned Pick Values, Bonus Pools By Team

Below are the assigned pick values for each team’s selections in the first 10 rounds of the 2013 draft. These values have increased by 8.2 percent compared to last year’s numbers, mirroring the rise in MLB’s revenues in 2012.

The total of each team’s assigned values is used to determine its bonus pool. Any bonus money spent in the first 10 rounds, or any in excess of $100,000 to a player drafted in rounds 11-40, counts against a club’s pool. If a player in the first 10 rounds doesn’t sign, his assigned value is removed.

The Astros, owners of the No. 1 overall pick for the second straight year, have the largest pool at $11,698,800. The Nationals, who choose last in each round and gave up their first-rounder to sign free agent Rafael Soriano, have the smallest pool at $2,737,200.



There are penalties for clubs that exceed their bonus pools: a 75 percent tax on a 0-5 percent overage; the loss of a first-round pick and a 75 percent tax for more than 5 and up to 10 percent; the loss of first- and second-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 10 and up to 15 percent; and the loss of two-first-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 15 percent.



REDS
Round Pick Assigned Value
1 27 $1,812,400
1s 38 (competitive-balance lottery) $1,470,500
2 67 $832,700
3 104 $496,000
4 135 $367,900
5 165 $275,400
6 195 $206,200
7 225 $160,500
8 255 $149,900
9 285 $139,900
10 315 $135,300
Bonus Pool $6,046,700

19braves77
04-21-2013, 06:55 PM
With this years draft, I am only interested in where Clint Frazier and Austin Meadows go.

Clint Frazier in Colorado would be scary.

Benihana
04-21-2013, 07:05 PM
A very early, very quick look at some names I like 6 months prior to draft day:

SS Oscar Mercado
SS JP Crawford
3B Kris Bryant
OF Austin Wilson
OF Clint Frazier
OF Justin Williams
OF/LHP Trey Ball
1B/OF Dominic Smith

Will be interesting to see how the board develops over the next six months.

Four months later, I'd still be happy with any of these selections, with the exception of Mercado. Another guy who interests me is Oklahoma HS catcher Jonathan Denney. The last time the Reds picked a catcher named John(ny) out of an Oklahoma HS, it worked out pretty well.

Anyone have any arms they really like or dislike in this draft? Only six weeks until draft day.

Benihana
04-21-2013, 07:17 PM
nm

LoganBuck
04-23-2013, 02:34 PM
I have just started to look at this stuff, NFL draft is the first priority of trivial time wasting. But I kind of like Aaron Judge, (I know his size is crazy, as is his strikezone size) and Colin Moran.

Not a fan of Dominic Smith, first base only type, with questions about his power. Pass.

Benihana
04-23-2013, 02:39 PM
I have just started to look at this stuff, NFL draft is the first priority of trivial time wasting. But I kind of like Aaron Judge, (I know his size is crazy, as is his strikezone size) and Colin Moran.

Not a fan of Dominic Smith, first base only type, with questions about his power. Pass.

I worry about Judge being a Richie Sexson type, but his bat could be sufficiently interesting.

bellhead
05-08-2013, 09:25 PM
Ryan Boldt with the 38th supplemental pick?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/draft-notes-astros-draft-class-boldt-shore.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Baseball America's Jim Callis reports that Ryan Boldt, a high school outfielder from Red Wing, Minn., will undergo arthroscopic surgery to repair a slight tear in his meniscus. Boldt was a potential first-round pick, and Callis feels that even with the injury he will still go "pretty high" because he was so good last summer (Twitter links).
ESPN's Keith Law feels that Boldt's injury could drop him out of the first round and may ultimately lead Boldt to honor his commitment to Nebraska rather than sign out of high school (Twitter link). Law ranked Boldt as the 13th best prospect (Insider required) in this year's class in mid-April.

Benihana
05-09-2013, 02:57 PM
JP Crawford, Austin Wilson, Jon Denney, and Trey Ball are all guys who are not consensus Top 5 (and therefore could feasibly fall to the Reds) who I'd be very happy with. Anybody have anyone specific they like or don't like in this draft? We're less than a month away.

Colin Moran and Hunter Renfroe are interesting as well, although unlikely to fall out of the top 20.

Edd Roush
05-09-2013, 04:53 PM
Ryan Boldt with the 38th supplemental pick?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/draft-notes-astros-draft-class-boldt-shore.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Baseball America's Jim Callis reports that Ryan Boldt, a high school outfielder from Red Wing, Minn., will undergo arthroscopic surgery to repair a slight tear in his meniscus. Boldt was a potential first-round pick, and Callis feels that even with the injury he will still go "pretty high" because he was so good last summer (Twitter links).
ESPN's Keith Law feels that Boldt's injury could drop him out of the first round and may ultimately lead Boldt to honor his commitment to Nebraska rather than sign out of high school (Twitter link). Law ranked Boldt as the 13th best prospect (Insider required) in this year's class in mid-April.

I love the idea of Boldt with the supplemental pick. I want upside in the draft and getting a guy who would be a mid-first round grade if not for an injury in the supplemental round would be perfect.

Edd Roush
05-09-2013, 04:59 PM
JP Crawford, Austin Wilson, Jon Denney, and Trey Ball are all guys who are not consensus Top 5 (and therefore could feasibly fall to the Reds) who I'd be very happy with. Anybody have anyone specific they like or don't like in this draft? We're less than a month away.

Colin Moran and Hunter Renfroe are interesting as well, although unlikely to fall out of the top 20.

Beni, I like your list. I would also add Devin Williams, Hunter Harvey and Chris Anderson to the mix. I love upside. I don't want to hear proximity to the majors as the major reason for this pick. I want a guy who could be a star in the first.

Benihana
05-09-2013, 05:10 PM
Beni, I like your list. I would also add Devin Williams, Hunter Harvey and Chris Anderson to the mix. I love upside. I don't want to hear proximity to the majors as the major reason for this pick. I want a guy who could be a star in the first.

Totally agree.

The only position that remotely makes sense to draft for proximity at this point is SS, and I would argue 1. Don't draft for need and 2. There are no great college SS in this draft.

We don't have immediate needs (organizational or otherwise) at any other positions that would necessitate us drafting for proximity to majors, and even if we did I go for upside over polish everyday of the week. Give me more Robert Stephensons and Jesse Winkers and less Mike Leakes and Ryan LaMarres.

Vottomatic
05-09-2013, 05:15 PM
I think the pick will be Marco Gonzales.

19braves77
05-09-2013, 05:37 PM
Looks how the Braves got Heyward is how some lucky teams are going to get Meadows and Frazier. Braves got Heyward so low due to teams not even pitching to him.

Benihana
05-09-2013, 05:58 PM
Looks how the Braves got Heyward is how some lucky teams are going to get Meadows and Frazier. Braves got Heyward so low due to teams not even pitching to him.

I wanted Heyward so badly in the Mesoraco draft. We were one spot away!!!!
Reminiscent of this year's draft when Courtney Hawkins, a similar player that I also wanted, went the pick before us.
Also in both of those drafts, we passed on the other guy I wanted - the consensus best pitcher in the draft (Rick Porcello and Lucas Gioloto)

(No way were the Braves going to let the local product slide by them though)

texasdave
05-09-2013, 08:32 PM
Kyle Serrano anyone?

From Baseball America's mock draft: http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/jim-callis-mock-draft-1-0/


27. REDS: Tennessee high school righthander Kyle Serrano will be difficult to sign away from a commitment to play for his father Dave at the University of Tennessee, but Cincinnati is one of the clubs most determined to try. If the Reds strike out there, they could pursue Tim Anderson.

PROJECTED PICK: KYLE SERRANO.

http://sbb.scout.com/2/1288174.html

19braves77
05-10-2013, 03:06 AM
One thing that bothers me with the MLb draft is unlike with the NBA and NFL draft, MLB is all about what are you doing lately. For example, I dont see how you frown upon Austin Meadows or Clint Frazier after 80 high school at bats. It seems like the NFL and NBA take into account what you did for 4 years along with Senior Bowl and Combine unless you played at Kentucky :). I dont see how MLB teams forget so quickly how Meadows was knocking the cover off the ball with Team USA. They did this last year with Addison Russell and David Dahl.

If its such a bad draft why not just go with your gut feeling on players from early January ?

lollipopcurve
05-10-2013, 07:27 AM
Kyle Serrano anyone?

Late-rising high-school arm, like Stephenson and Travieso were, so it fits a pattern for their late first rounders these days.

He's got a bizarre delivery from the windup -- kind of a half-stretch. Not a big deal. Otherwise, he's very smooth and the breaking ball looks strong..

Funny thing, I think Mark Serrano, released by the Reds this spring, is Kyle's brother.

texasdave
05-10-2013, 10:54 AM
CNNSI First-round mock draft:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130510/mlb-mock-draft-2013-jonathan-gray-dave-perkin/?sct=hp_t11_a3&eref=sihp

CNNSI has the Reds selecting Aaron Judge.

Scouting report plus video:

http://www.coast2coastprospects.com/aaron-judge.html

texasdave
05-10-2013, 10:58 AM
A list of scouting reports from Coast2CoastProspects, including some of the above-mentioned names.

http://www.coast2coastprospects.com/2013-scouting-reports.html

Benihana
05-10-2013, 12:11 PM
I think the pick will be Marco Gonzales.

I've heard the Reds like him a lot but I hope that's wrong. I don't like polish in the first round. I like upside. Gonzales seems to me a bit like Alex White or Tyler Anderson. If they're going to draft an arm, I'd rather see another arm like Stephenson or Homer Bailey.

That CNNSI mock draft has JP Crawford, Austin Wilson and Tim Anderson still on the board. Interesting.

Edd Roush
05-10-2013, 01:43 PM
I've heard the Reds like him a lot but I hope that's wrong. I don't like polish in the first round. I like upside. Gonzales seems to me a bit like Alex White or Tyler Anderson. If they're going to draft an arm, I'd rather see another arm like Stephenson or Homer Bailey.

That CNNSI mock draft has JP Crawford, Austin Wilson and Tim Anderson still on the board. Interesting.

Completely agree. I would be very disappointed with a Gonzales pick in the first round.

Edd Roush
05-10-2013, 03:53 PM
Late-rising high-school arm, like Stephenson and Travieso were, so it fits a pattern for their late first rounders these days.

He's got a bizarre delivery from the windup -- kind of a half-stretch. Not a big deal. Otherwise, he's very smooth and the breaking ball looks strong..

Funny thing, I think Mark Serrano, released by the Reds this spring, is Kyle's brother.

Hopefully the Reds ended Mark's tenure with the Reds on a good note so that Kyle would give the Reds a chance to sign him. Kyle Serrano is the kind of kid I want the Reds to target. I don't mind BA's other option, though. Tim Anderson may be a bit of a reach at #27, but I like the idea of a shortstop who has a decent chance of sticking at the position and hitting in the bigs.

Edd Roush
05-10-2013, 03:58 PM
CNNSI First-round mock draft:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130510/mlb-mock-draft-2013-jonathan-gray-dave-perkin/?sct=hp_t11_a3&eref=sihp

CNNSI has the Reds selecting Aaron Judge.

Scouting report plus video:

http://www.coast2coastprospects.com/aaron-judge.html

Judge qualifies as a high upside prospect. He does seem to have more red flags than other late first round prospects, though. I think I will have other guys ranked higher than him left on my board if he happens to fall to the Reds at #27. Wouldn't hate this pick, though.

Benihana
05-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Judge qualifies as a high upside prospect. He does seem to have more red flags than other late first round prospects, though. I think I will have other guys ranked higher than him left on my board if he happens to fall to the Reds at #27. Wouldn't hate this pick, though.

Agreed. JP Crawford or Austin Wilson would get me really excited, although the latter has a high bust potential (with very high upside as well). Judge wouldn't be bad but wouldn't be a coup.

Tim Anderson would be awesome in the sandwich round if we miss out on Crawford.

RedlegJake
05-10-2013, 05:56 PM
Judge ugh....I hope not. I see huge power potential but that huge body/height...long swing...poor pitch recognition and very tall hitters ...maybe its just me but I see low avg tons of Ks lots of homers but not a lot of offsetting walks. Bruce with less athleticism and eventually a first baseman.

Benihana
05-10-2013, 06:29 PM
Judge ugh....I hope not. I see huge power potential but that huge body/height...long swing...poor pitch recognition and very tall hitters ...maybe its just me but I see low avg tons of Ks lots of homers but not a lot of offsetting walks. Bruce with less athleticism and eventually a first baseman.

When I think of Judge comparisons, the names Branyan, Sexson, Hart and Dunn all come to mind. Hopefully he is more the latter two than the former two.

edabbs44
05-10-2013, 07:00 PM
JP Crawford, Austin Wilson, Jon Denney, and Trey Ball are all guys who are not consensus Top 5 (and therefore could feasibly fall to the Reds) who I'd be very happy with. Anybody have anyone specific they like or don't like in this draft? We're less than a month away.

Colin Moran and Hunter Renfroe are interesting as well, although unlikely to fall out of the top 20.

Rob Kaminsky is basically unhittable in NJ and BA has him going after Cincy picks. Reds supposedly watching this guy up here as well.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/206882561_Cooper_on_H_S__baseball__Scouts_keeping_ an_eye_on_Weehawken_lefty_Sal_Mendez.html?mobile=1&ic=1&iphone=1

19braves77
05-11-2013, 06:46 AM
Starting to like Phillip Ervin to the Braves, Rays, or Reds. I could even see the Pirates taking him with one of their two high first round picks to save money.

Gallen5862
05-11-2013, 09:32 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/jim-callis-mock-draft-1-0/

33. YANKEES: No organization has a greater affinity for offensive-minded catchers than New York. Denney should be able to stay behind the plate, but he also has enough bat to profile at a less challenging position.

PROJECTED PICK: JON DENNEY.

Gallen5862
05-11-2013, 09:34 PM
Would JON DENNEYbe a good pick for the Reds? Would he help the Red's depth at catcher?

texasdave
05-14-2013, 09:21 AM
Jonathan Mayo's Top 100 prospects.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

Benihana
05-14-2013, 09:58 AM
Updated Wish List:

Pick 27

1. JP Crawford HS SS
2. Ian Clarkin HS LHP
3. Trey Ball HS LHP/OF
4. Jon Denney HS C
5. Austin Wilson Stanford OF
6. Hunter Renfroe Mississippi State OF
7. Braden Shipley Nevada RHP
8. Rob Kaminsky HS LHP
(gap)
9.Philip Ervin Samford OF
10 (tie). Ryan Eades/Hunter Harvey/Chris Anderson RHP

Pick 38

1. Tim Anderson JuCo SS/2B
2. Hunter Dozier Stephen F. Austin SS/3B
3. Cord Sandberg HS OF
4. Oscar Mercado HS SS
5. Matt Krook HS LHP
6. Hunter Green HS LHP
7. Kyle Serrano HS RHP
8. Billy McKinney HS OF
9. Blake Taylor HS LHP
10. Aaron Judge Fresno State OF

HS OF Justin Williams and LSU 2B JaCoby Jones are names to watch and guys I'd love the Reds to take in the 2nd round, of course in addition to any of the names listed above.

Edd Roush
05-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Updated Wish List:

Pick 27

1. JP Crawford HS SS
2. Ian Clarkin HS LHP
3. Trey Ball HS LHP/OF
4. Jon Denney HS C
5. Austin Wilson Stanford OF
6. Hunter Renfroe Mississippi State OF
7. Braden Shipley Nevada RHP
8. Rob Kaminsky HS LHP
(gap)
9.Philip Ervin Samford OF
10 (tie). Ryan Eades/Hunter Harvey/Chris Anderson RHP

Pick 38

1. Tim Anderson JuCo SS/2B
2. Hunter Dozier Stephen F. Austin SS/3B
3. Cord Sandberg HS OF
4. Oscar Mercado HS SS
5. Matt Krook HS LHP
6. Hunter Green HS LHP
7. Kyle Serrano HS RHP
8. Billy McKinney HS OF
9. Blake Taylor HS LHP
10. Aaron Judge Fresno State OF

HS OF Justin Williams and LSU 2B JaCoby Jones are names to watch and guys I'd love the Reds to take in the 2nd round, of course in addition to any of the names listed above.

I love all of the upside on this list. The Reds have no needs to draft for, so let's hope they shoot for the moon and land some potentially high impact players early in this draft and then sign them all. I do disagree with some of your rankings for Pick 27. I like Shipley far more than you do. He seems to have a ton of upside with his arm, already hitting 99 and has a good chance of developing a solid change and curveball, plus being a converted SS, he does not have much mileage on his arm. That being said, Law has him as his #6 overall player. I don't see him being on the board at #27, but if he is, I woulld be praying for the Reds to pull the trigger. He seems to be a more physically developed Stephenson. I will take that every day.

I also like Austin Wilson more than you do. I know he has not produced this year, but that is due to injury. He has as much upside as any on your list, but is more physically developed.

I also like Denney a lot. I think he has a good chance of sticking behind the plate, and I would rather take a first round catcher who has the tools and the sticks, but lacks "receiving skills" rather than taking one with questions about his bat. That's why I think I take Denney over Crawford. I am not sure if he is going to be able to hit enough to be an impact bat.

Obviously, I have seen none of these guys play, so I am just going off of scouting reports I have seen on the web.

Also, why are you so high on Clarkin? Law has him as his #64 overall player. What is Law missing?

I do like Trey Ball more than you do, too. I like that he is somewhat local being from Indiana and he already has a good fastball and has the bat to maybe make the bigs as a corner outfielder. He could be awesome.

Also, I don't get the love for Renfroe. His scouting report sounds kind of like Stubbs with more power and less results. I don't like the risk of taking him over some of the high schoolers, but maybe that is because he has had a much greater chance of being exposed which the high schoolers haven't since they are playing far inferior competition.

Benihana
05-14-2013, 02:46 PM
I love all of the upside on this list. The Reds have no needs to draft for, so let's hope they shoot for the moon and land some potentially high impact players early in this draft and then sign them all. I do disagree with some of your rankings for Pick 27. I like Shipley far more than you do. He seems to have a ton of upside with his arm, already hitting 99 and has a good chance of developing a solid change and curveball, plus being a converted SS, he does not have much mileage on his arm. That being said, Law has him as his #6 overall player. I don't see him being on the board at #27, but if he is, I woulld be praying for the Reds to pull the trigger. He seems to be a more physically developed Stephenson. I will take that every day.

I also like Austin Wilson more than you do. I know he has not produced this year, but that is due to injury. He has as much upside as any on your list, but is more physically developed.

I also like Denney a lot. I think he has a good chance of sticking behind the plate, and I would rather take a first round catcher who has the tools and the sticks, but lacks "receiving skills" rather than taking one with questions about his bat. That's why I think I take Denney over Crawford. I am not sure if he is going to be able to hit enough to be an impact bat.

Obviously, I have seen none of these guys play, so I am just going off of scouting reports I have seen on the web.

Also, why are you so high on Clarkin? Law has him as his #64 overall player. What is Law missing?

I do like Trey Ball more than you do, too. I like that he is somewhat local being from Indiana and he already has a good fastball and has the bat to maybe make the bigs as a corner outfielder. He could be awesome.

Also, I don't get the love for Renfroe. His scouting report sounds kind of like Stubbs with more power and less results. I don't like the risk of taking him over some of the high schoolers, but maybe that is because he has had a much greater chance of being exposed which the high schoolers haven't since they are playing far inferior competition.

I'm mostly with you - I don't have a strong preference between the top 7 names on my list - I'd be just as happy with Shipley as I would with Crawford. I think Clarkin and Ball are the two best HS lefties in the draft, so I'd be very happy with either.

Stubbs with more power wouldn't be a bad get with the 27th pick in the draft.

I don't like drafting for need, but I would very much like to see at least one middle infielder taken with the first three picks. Whether that's Crawford in the first, Anderson, Dozier or Mercado in the sandwich, or JaCoby Jones in the second, I'd be happy with any of 'em. Mercado is the one I'm the most iffy on given the questions about his bat.

CrackerJack
05-15-2013, 11:09 PM
Judge ugh....I hope not. I see huge power potential but that huge body/height...long swing...poor pitch recognition and very tall hitters ...maybe its just me but I see low avg tons of Ks lots of homers but not a lot of offsetting walks. Bruce with less athleticism and eventually a first baseman.

I'm confused, his profile says he has a good K/BB ratio, hits for average, fast enough to steal a base, wins HR derbies but doesn't show the power enough during the season yet.

Gallen5862
05-16-2013, 02:12 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130515&content_id=47666630&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb


Mock Draft: A first look at the first round

Signs point to Astros taking Oklahoma right-hander Gray, with Appel going to Cubs
Jonathan Mayo
By Jonathan Mayo | Archive
5/16/2013 10:00 A.M. ET Comments print e-mail
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It's time to step it up a notch.

In past years, MLB.com has rolled out mock drafts slowly, starting with a projection of the first 10 picks, then 11-20, before finally getting to the entire first round. Those days are over.

While MLB.com's Top 100 Draft prospects is a list that ranks the Draft class according to talent, what's below is a look at who might go where in the first round. That includes the 27 picks of the first-round proper, followed by the six picks awarded to teams for losing qualifying free agents.

Those 33 picks will be just the start of the first night of the First-Year Player Draft on Thursday, June 6. It all starts at 7 p.m. ET, with the top 73 picks being broadcast live on MLB Network and streamed on MLB.com. Rounds 2-40 will be streamed live on MLB.com on June 7-8.

MLB.com's coverage will include: the Top 100 Draft Prospects list; Draft Tracker, a live interactive application that includes a searchable database of every Draft-eligible player; and the Draft itself. You also can keep up to date at Draft Central and by following @MLBDraft on Twitter. And get into the Draft conversation by tagging your tweets with #mlbdraft.


27. Cincinnati Reds: Tom Windle, LHP, Minnesota
The Reds have taken high school right-handers in the first round in each of the past two Drafts, and they could go that route again, but they have been scouting Windle, a lefty with some good stuff, very carefully.

Edd Roush
05-16-2013, 04:42 PM
Windle looks like a pretty solid prospect, but Keith Law is not nearly as high on him. Law has Windle as his #59 overall player.

I like Law's pick for the Reds: Billy McKinney. Law gives him a Winker comp and expects him to rake. Here is the insider article:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9277478/houston-astros-do-not-take-mark-appel-first-mock-draft-2013-mlb-draft?addata=2009_insdr_mod_mlb_xxx_xxx

Benihana
05-16-2013, 10:22 PM
I like McKinney also. I'd like him a lot better at 38.

Edd Roush
05-17-2013, 02:00 PM
I like McKinney also. I'd like him a lot better at 38.

Agreed. McKinney seems to be a great combination of upside and character. If we could get a combination of a high upside arm and a high upside bat with our first two picks, I would be very happy.

REDREAD
05-17-2013, 03:36 PM
Here's a little more on Windle

http://www.mndaily.com/sports/athletics/2013/05/08/windle-leads-staff-attracts-scouts


As a reliever, Windle only needed the slider and fastball. The changeup has been reliable for him as a starter, and Windle called it “a nice add to my repertoire.”

Windle’s bag of pitches starts with his fastball. He consistently throws it in the low-90s, and it’s topped out at 94 mph this season.

Then comes the slider.

“He’s got what I call a swing-and-miss slider,” Oakes said. “Some guys got more of a pitch-to-contact breaking ball.”

Windle’s slider breaks away from left-handed hitters and down and in against righties.

“If they can have a breaking ball that’s effective against right-handed hitters, that’s key,” Oakes said. “That pitch separates him.”

icehole3
05-17-2013, 05:45 PM
Updated Wish List:

Pick 27

1. JP Crawford HS SS
2. Ian Clarkin HS LHP
3. Trey Ball HS LHP/OF
4. Jon Denney HS C
5. Austin Wilson Stanford OF
6. Hunter Renfroe Mississippi State OF
7. Braden Shipley Nevada RHP
8. Rob Kaminsky HS LHP
(gap)
9.Philip Ervin Samford OF
10 (tie). Ryan Eades/Hunter Harvey/Chris Anderson RHP

Pick 38

1. Tim Anderson JuCo SS/2B
2. Hunter Dozier Stephen F. Austin SS/3B
3. Cord Sandberg HS OF
4. Oscar Mercado HS SS
5. Matt Krook HS LHP
6. Hunter Green HS LHP
7. Kyle Serrano HS RHP
8. Billy McKinney HS OF
9. Blake Taylor HS LHP
10. Aaron Judge Fresno State OF

HS OF Justin Williams and LSU 2B JaCoby Jones are names to watch and guys I'd love the Reds to take in the 2nd round, of course in addition to any of the names listed above.

I would like anyone of these guys :)

Benihana
05-17-2013, 10:46 PM
My main man John Sickels over at www.minorleagueball.com has a new mock draft up, with the Reds getting Ryne Stanek at 27 and Hunter Green at 38. I'd be very happy with that haul.

The flamethrowing Stanek was a candidate for the #1 overall pick before an inconsistent Spring and Green is a high upside HS LHP from Kentucky.

For the record, I'm not interested in Windle.

Edd Roush
05-18-2013, 10:04 AM
My main man John Sickels over at www.minorleagueball.com has a new mock draft up, with the Reds getting Ryne Stanek at 27 and Hunter Green at 38. I'd be very happy with that haul.

The flamethrowing Stanek was a candidate for the #1 overall pick before an inconsistent Spring and Green is a high upside HS LHP from Kentucky.

For the record, I'm not interested in Windle.

I like that mock too. Gotta love adding two high upside arms. What dont you like about Windle? He has good stuff, relatively few miles on his arm and two major league ready pitches. It sounds like his change could be useable, as a third pitch, too. What am I missing?

Tom Servo
05-18-2013, 10:11 AM
I'd love to see Stanek fall to the Reds.

Benihana
05-24-2013, 04:11 PM
BA's latest mock released today has the Reds taking Austin Wilson. That would make me very happy.

The other two names they mention are Billy McKinney and Marco Gonzales. I would be pleased with McKinney, not so much with Gonzales, a pitcher who lacks upside.

Edd Roush
05-24-2013, 04:53 PM
BA's latest mock released today has the Reds taking Austin Wilson. That would make me very happy.

The other two names they mention are Billy McKinney and Marco Gonzales. I would be pleased with McKinney, not so much with Gonzales, a pitcher who lacks upside.

Wilson = A+ pick
McKinney = A pick

Gonzales = D pick

Please give me upside. Wilson may be in the Top 10 of my "Big Board."

lollipopcurve
05-25-2013, 10:24 AM
I am skeptical of Wilson, especially with other interesting RH bats like Judge and Ervin possibly available in the late 20s (along with McKinney). I did not like Wilson's swing coming out of HS, and despite his lofty prospect status he has never dominated at the college level. I am wary, too, of the "chiseled speciman" effect. Plus, you've got his elbow injury this year, which may threaten his plus arm down the road.

My simple preference is for 1 hitter and 1 pitcher in their first two picks, and I think I'd prefer an OF other than Wilson. But big RH power in an athletic guy is a pretty scarce commodity, so I wouldn't hate the pick. BTW, I am intrigued by the athleticism and multiposition flexibility of JaCoby Jones. Maybe not at 27/38, but in the 2nd round, that's a nice high ceiling pick.

V-Red
05-25-2013, 01:29 PM
Wilson sounds to me like Drew Stubbs part 2.

Benihana
05-25-2013, 01:36 PM
Austin Wilson always reminded me more of Preston Wilson, who himself was like an Eric Davis-lite. Wilson may not be able to handle CF, but thats who he reminds me of, maybe with a little less power/bat speed.

dougdirt
05-25-2013, 02:08 PM
Wilson sounds to me like Drew Stubbs part 2.

They really don't sound alike at all.

lollipopcurve
05-25-2013, 04:03 PM
They really don't sound alike at all.

If you think about it, there are several legit similarities.

Both highly regarded "baseball athletes" coming out of HS, both turned down large offers to go to major college programs. Both played well enough in college to maintain prospect status, although their college numbers do not overwhelm. Both are toolsy RH-hitting outfielders with swings that give scouts a little pause.

Saying that one is reminiscent of the other is not saying they are carbon copies.

dougdirt
05-25-2013, 07:37 PM
If you think about it, there are several legit similarities.

Both highly regarded "baseball athletes" coming out of HS, both turned down large offers to go to major college programs. Both played well enough in college to maintain prospect status, although their college numbers do not overwhelm. Both are toolsy RH-hitting outfielders with swings that give scouts a little pause.

Saying that one is reminiscent of the other is not saying they are carbon copies.

Stubbs had a big advantage in speed. Stubbs had a big advantage in defense. Wilson has a big advantage in power potential (while Stubbs had good power potential, it was mostly tied to the fact that he was a center fielder, where most guys don't have any home run power). There are similar in that both were considered good athletes overall and there are some questions that they would both struggle to hit for average. But you could say that about tons of guys.

lollipopcurve
05-25-2013, 08:17 PM
There are similar in that both were considered good athletes overall and there are some questions that they would both struggle to hit for average. But you could say that about tons of guys.

As noted, there are more similarities. You simply dismissed the original observation, but it was valid.

Benihana
05-26-2013, 02:36 PM
Minorleagueball has it's latest mock up, and it's pretty much a worst-case scenario for the Reds.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/5/25/4363264/2013-mlb-mock-draft-version-2-0

With Crawford, Wilson, Ball, Clarkin, Judge, T.Anderson, Denney and Kaminsky all off the board, the Reds take Marco Gonzales at 27 and Ryan Boldt at 38.

Gonzales is a low upside arm which I have no interest in.
Boldt reminds me of Ryan LaMarre and Jeff Gelalich: no specific impact tool but good all-around game. Couple that with an injury and questionable competition as a Minnesota high schooler, and I say NO THANKS.

At least take Billy McKinney, Hunter Green or Sean Manaea with one of the picks in this scenario.

Benihana
05-27-2013, 11:50 AM
10 days to go, here are my ideal targets:

PICK 27

1. JP Crawford HS SS
2. Trey Ball HS LHP/OF
3. Ian Clarkin HS LHP
4. Austin Wilson Stanford OF
5. Sean Manaea Indiana St. LHP
(tie). Jon Denney HS C

PICK 38

1. Billy McKinney HS OF
2. Tim Anderson JuCo SS/2B
3. Rob Kaminsky HS LHP
4. Hunter Dozier Stephen F. Austin SS/3B
5. Hunter Green HS LHP
(tie) Matt Krook HS LHP

PICK 67

1. Justin Williams HS OF
2. JaCoby Jones LSU 2B
3. Cord Sandberg HS OF
4. Blake Taylor HS LHP
5. Riley Unroe HS SS

19braves77
05-28-2013, 02:23 AM
My Top 10 Mock with picks I want the Braves, Rays, and Reds to take:

1. Astros - Clint Frazier
2. Cubs - Mark Appel
3. Rockies - Kris Bryant
4. Twins - Jonathan Gray
5. Indians -Colin Moran
6. Marlins - Austin Meadows
7. Red Sox - Kohl Stewart
8. Royals - Trey Ball
9. Pirates - Reese McGuire
10. Blue Jays -Hunter Renfroe

I went Doomsday scenerio with the Rockies being forced to pick a great pitcher or a great bat. I think thats the only way this draft gets exciting. Wanted to put Meadows with the Pirates but he is everything the Marlins liked in players like Mike Stanton. Logan Morrison, Marcell Ozuna, and Christian Yelich. Marlins pick is probably only pick I get correct.

Braves: Bobby Wahl ( Hopefully he isnt another Joey Devine )
Rays: Phillip Erwin, OF, Samford University
Reds:Eric Jagielo, 3B, Notre Dame ( Just to see him lauch balls into the bay at Pensacola.

"Unfortunately, the attrition rate is gruesome. Out of the entire pool of drafted and signed players, only about 18% of them ever get even one day in the big leagues, and only about 7% of them actually accumulate three years in the Major Leagues. It's even scarier if you examine the rounds - fewer than 50% of 1st round picks get three years in the big leagues, and from rounds two through five that number drops to about 15%. After that it plummets to the low single digits. In short, it's very difficult to scout, draft, sign, and develop Major Leaguers, so having a plan to do so isn't enough." --Paul DePodesta