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mattfeet
11-02-2012, 09:04 PM
Per mlbtr.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/cubs-acquire-dan-haren-for-carlos-marmol.html

Phhhl
11-02-2012, 09:08 PM
WTH? I know they wanted to deal Haren, but they couldn't do better than that?

mattfeet
11-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Seems like a salary trade to me.

mattfeet
11-02-2012, 09:09 PM
I would have loved Haren.

Kc61
11-02-2012, 09:23 PM
As the Cubs improve, and with the Stros out of the Central, next season will be tougher for the Reds.

blumj
11-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Yeah, I don't get it, Marmol makes like $10M, I thought the whole point of trading Haren and Santana was saving up enough to pay Greinke and keep Hunter.

757690
11-02-2012, 09:23 PM
WTH? I know they wanted to deal Haren, but they couldn't do better than that?

If he wasn't traded today, they would have declined his option and he'd be a free agent. They had almost no leverage.

Vottomatic
11-02-2012, 09:24 PM
Angels freeing up $$$ to sign Greinke?

Red in Chicago
11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
Nice move for Cubs.

757690
11-02-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeah, I don't get it, Marmol makes like $10M, I thought the whole point of trading Haren and Santana was saving up enough to pay Greinke and keep Hunter.

Don't understand this for the Angels either. Would much rather have $10M to spend than Marmol in my bullpen. Makes more sense to just let Haren go.

Wonderful Monds
11-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Don't understand this for the Angels either. Would much rather have $10M to spend than Marmol in my bullpen. Makes more sense to just let Haren go.

Their bullpen was a problem last year, and relievers are volatile. If Marmol can be a great reliever again, that'll help them a lot, and one year 10M is nothing to the Angels.

marcshoe
11-02-2012, 10:28 PM
If he wasn't traded today, they would have declined his option and he'd be a free agent. They had almost no leverage.

Getting nothing would have been preferable. A Fahrenheit 451 style fireman who you pay $10 million? No thanks.

Wonderful Monds
11-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Getting nothing would have been preferable. A Fahrenheit 451 style fireman who you pay $10 million? No thanks.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Marmol. The last 3 years he's put ERAs of 2.55, 4.01, and 3.41. He's got a career 3.38 ERA. He might not have been a relief ace the past couple years, but he's not been a bad reliever outside of 2011, and he was pretty great as recently as 2010.

camisadelgolf
11-02-2012, 10:44 PM
The two sides haven't agreed to a trade, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Cubs did ask Marmol if he would waive his no-trade clause to go to the Halos, but the Angels are still speaking with other clubs
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/cubs-acquire-dan-haren-for-carlos-marmol.html#Tq2gYL1CVZg3UAcP.99

marcshoe
11-02-2012, 10:45 PM
Marmol never had the game's best control, and he seems to have less every year. I think that at this point, he's a liability in the pen. 7.3 walks per nine innings last year. 6 for his career, even, and he just turned 30. Arredondo was at 5, and I don't really want him back.

Gallen5862
11-02-2012, 10:49 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...os-marmol.html

8:42pm: The deal will take place if Marmol agrees to join the Angels, a source told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).




Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#PAii39OVTQWhUhYv.99

Wonderful Monds
11-02-2012, 11:01 PM
Marmol never had the game's best control, and he seems to have less every year. I think that at this point, he's a liability in the pen. 7.3 walks per nine innings last year. 6 for his career, even, and he just turned 30. Arredondo was at 5, and I don't really want him back.

Yeah but Arredondo never K'd almost 12 per 9 at any point either though.

RedsManRick
11-02-2012, 11:25 PM
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Marmol would have OK'ed trade to #Angels, but #Cubs pulled deal off table and trade is not happening. Angels talking to other clubs.

Gallen5862
11-02-2012, 11:31 PM
What could the Reds offer for Haren?

Wonderful Monds
11-02-2012, 11:38 PM
What could the Reds offer for Haren?

Mike Leake.

757690
11-03-2012, 12:11 AM
Mike Leake.

Why?

If the Angels were willing to take Marmol, they'd gladly settle for Ondrusek or Arredondo. Maybe even Bray.

Reds can't afford Haren anyway.

traderumor
11-03-2012, 12:19 AM
Title change needed :)

Wonderful Monds
11-03-2012, 01:23 AM
Why?

If the Angels were willing to take Marmol, they'd gladly settle for Ondrusek or Arredondo. Maybe even Bray.

Reds can't afford Haren anyway.

Not a chance. Marmol has history none of those pitchers do.

mattfeet
11-03-2012, 01:39 AM
9:27pm: Marmol would have approved a trade to the Angels, but the Cubs pulled the deal off of the table, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). The Angels are still talking with other clubs about Haren as they close in on the 11pm CST deadline to exercise his $15.5MM option.

9:20pm: The trade will not take place, a Cubs source tells Carrie Muskat of MLB.com (via Twitter).

mattfeet
11-03-2012, 01:40 AM
And now he is a FA


The Angels have declined their option on Dan Haren's contract for 2013, according to Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter). The hurler will now enter the open market with a $3.5MM buyout rather than a $15.5MM salary with the Angels next season. Earlier this evening it seemed as though the... #mlb

757690
11-03-2012, 01:46 AM
Not a chance. Marmol has history none of those pitchers do.

That is correct. He has a history of walking over 6 batters every 9 innings.

Patrick Bateman
11-03-2012, 02:34 AM
Can't believe there isn't a team willing to roll the dice on a 1 year 12M deal on Haren. He wasn't THAT bad this year. He's not an ace, but he's not much different than James Shields in my mind.

Wonderful Monds
11-03-2012, 03:51 AM
That is correct. He has a history of walking over 6 batters every 9 innings.

And striking out 12 per 9. And posting a sub 3 ERA over a full season three times, one of those being sub 1.50. And being a valuable closer.

Tom Servo
11-03-2012, 06:06 AM
Can't believe there isn't a team willing to roll the dice on a 1 year 12M deal on Haren. He wasn't THAT bad this year. He's not an ace, but he's not much different than James Shields in my mind.
Agreed.

blumj
11-03-2012, 07:42 AM
The only thing I can think of is something in his medical records, why else wouldn't they have been able to trade him? Why else would the Cubs have backed out?