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Brutus
11-03-2012, 07:15 AM
So much for the hyperbole the Rangers wouldn't even have him back for free :)

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8584400/josh-hamilton-given-one-year-qualifying-offer-texas-rangers

Slyder
11-03-2012, 10:12 AM
So much for the hyperbole the Rangers wouldn't even have him back for free :)

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8584400/josh-hamilton-given-one-year-qualifying-offer-texas-rangers

There's less than 0% chance he actually would accept a 1 year qualifying offer. That be like us offering Votto (given he didn't sign the extension) a qualifying offer, absolutely no risk and a free pick.

blumj
11-03-2012, 11:04 AM
It's not like they'd have to worry about being stuck with him even if he totally lost his mind and accidentally accepted, Hamilton on a 1 year deal for $13.3M would have plenty of trade value, unless during that same episode of insanity he also did something that would get him sent to prison.

Brutus
11-03-2012, 01:14 PM
There's less than 0% chance he actually would accept a 1 year qualifying offer. That be like us offering Votto (given he didn't sign the extension) a qualifying offer, absolutely no risk and a free pick.

It's probably not likely he accepts, but 0%? C'mon.

Still, if it were true the Rangers didn't want him back at any cost, they'd not take a chance on this. There's no risk because $13 million for Hamilton is a bargain, not because there's no chance of him accepting.

kaldaniels
11-03-2012, 06:01 PM
It's probably not likely he accepts, but 0%? C'mon.

Still, if it were true the Rangers didn't want him back at any cost, they'd not take a chance on this. There's no risk because $13 million for Hamilton is a bargain, not because there's no chance of him accepting.

Surely they could trade him/give him away if he were to accept, no? Hard to see the downside of giving him the offer.

Slyder
11-03-2012, 06:07 PM
It's probably not likely he accepts, but 0%? C'mon.

Still, if it were true the Rangers didn't want him back at any cost, they'd not take a chance on this. There's no risk because $13 million for Hamilton is a bargain, not because there's no chance of him accepting.

I'm that certain of it. Hamilton is going to get one shot at the really big payday because of the time he missed, he's 31 but his body has to be closer to 40 just because of the wear and tear. When he's in there he can carry an offense but he has missed significant time in almost every season as a pro. I don't see anyone telling him to put off free agency to take a "meager" 13 mil which for a Hamilton would be a bargain and very tradable.

Now I don't see Hamilton getting a Pujols deal (10 years) but he is going to get a pretty significant deal from someone. I would predict probably 5-6 yeas (maybe a couple option years) 22-25 mil per. There's absolutely no way he's going to accept a 13.3 mil offer when it could just take 1 team to go crazy and he end up with an ARod or Pujols type offer.

So again I say 0% he would ever consider accepting that "qualifying offer". Its a no risk deal for the Rangers.

Vottomatic
11-03-2012, 06:25 PM
This is going to make for something interesting drama this offseason.

Brutus
11-04-2012, 12:21 AM
Surely they could trade him/give him away if he were to accept, no? Hard to see the downside of giving him the offer.

Well, a player can't be traded once signed to a qualifying offer before June 15 under the new agreement, so if the Rangers truly didn't want Hamilton back, this wasn't the surest way of seeing to that.

Brutus
11-04-2012, 12:25 AM
I'm that certain of it. Hamilton is going to get one shot at the really big payday because of the time he missed, he's 31 but his body has to be closer to 40 just because of the wear and tear. When he's in there he can carry an offense but he has missed significant time in almost every season as a pro. I don't see anyone telling him to put off free agency to take a "meager" 13 mil which for a Hamilton would be a bargain and very tradable.

Now I don't see Hamilton getting a Pujols deal (10 years) but he is going to get a pretty significant deal from someone. I would predict probably 5-6 yeas (maybe a couple option years) 22-25 mil per. There's absolutely no way he's going to accept a 13.3 mil offer when it could just take 1 team to go crazy and he end up with an ARod or Pujols type offer.

So again I say 0% he would ever consider accepting that "qualifying offer". Its a no risk deal for the Rangers.

So out of 100 times, you think Hamilton would reject it all 100? No chance of trying to work things out with the Rangers by getting on their good side for one more year and hoping to convince them of a $100 million deal over 4-5 years?

The only 0% chance of making sure he doesn't sign is by not giving him a chance to sign. And that's the whole point... if the Rangers were truly adamant about it, then they'd not take this risk at all. And when I say "risk" I don't see this as a risk because I never bought into the hyperbole that they would not have him back at any cost. I don't think having Hamilton play for $13 million is a "risk" anyhow. But that's really my point... the Rangers never felt like they should sever ties at all costs with Hamilton. They simply are unwilling to commit to him long term which is the real reason they're going this route. They want to save face with the fanbase and worst-case scenario they play out one year at $13 mil and see if they change their minds about a longer deal.

camisadelgolf
11-04-2012, 06:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=DBBRM0MuBZo&NR=1

Raisor
11-04-2012, 07:14 AM
Hamilton has a week to accept or decline. I would agree, there is 0% chance of him accepting this.

Chip R
11-04-2012, 11:03 AM
Hamilton has a week to accept or decline. I would agree, there is 0% chance of him accepting this.

Probably not since it appears he's seeking $175M over 7 years.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20121103-report-rangers-josh-hamilton-seeking-seven-years-175-million-in-free-agency.ece?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

blumj
11-04-2012, 02:06 PM
Does anyone know of any fans of any team who are hoping their team signs Hamilton to a deal like that? Pretty much everything I've heard and read so far from any teams' fans has been closer to panic-stricken at the thought.

Vottomatic
11-05-2012, 08:02 AM
Probably not since it appears he's seeking $175M over 7 years.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20121103-report-rangers-josh-hamilton-seeking-seven-years-175-million-in-free-agency.ece?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

That sounds like a dumb contract the Nationals, Marlins, Dodgers, or Angels would do.

I'd do a big 2 year contract at most. Hamilton wouldn't. But I would. $40M - $50M for 2 years. He'd kill it in GABP.

The Reds could concentrate on keeping the roster and farm system intact if they don't have to trade away for someone. But we still need a leadoff guy.

Wonderful Monds
11-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Probably not since it appears he's seeking $175M over 7 years.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20121103-report-rangers-josh-hamilton-seeking-seven-years-175-million-in-free-agency.ece?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
WOW.

Good luck with that, Josh.

PuffyPig
11-05-2012, 07:06 PM
Still, if it were true the Rangers didn't want him back at any cost, they'd not take a chance on this. There's no risk because $13 million for Hamilton is a bargain, not because there's no chance of him accepting.

Even if the Rangers didn't want him back at any price, they could still give him the qualifying offer, have him accept, and trade him for a whole bunch of prospects.

It is still possible the Rangers had no desire in having him back.

Brutus
11-09-2012, 12:59 PM
Rangers willing to offer Hamilton 3 years...

So as I was saying, looks like they weren't in fact unwilling to have him back "even for free."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8610003/texas-rangers-max-offer-josh-hamilton-3-years-report-says