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dman
11-05-2012, 08:52 PM
I got friends Facebooking me this... Any sources or is anybody else hearing it yet????

Raisor
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
It won't be announced until the 12th.

Vottomatic
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
mlb.com says ROY's announced on November 12th.

dman
11-05-2012, 08:58 PM
It won't be announced until the 12th.

Okay.. This is the only article I've found which indicates that Wade Miley won it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121022&content_id=39978052&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Always Red
11-05-2012, 09:01 PM
http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2012/11/05/frazier-nls-outstanding-rookie/

Frazier voted NL's Outstanding Rookie, by fellow players (MLB Players Choice Award)

dman
11-05-2012, 09:05 PM
http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2012/11/05/frazier-nls-outstanding-rookie/

Frazier voted NL's Outstanding Rookie, by fellow players (MLB Players Choice Award)

Okay, this is what he said he was referring to. Now, back to my previous post, if I read it correctly, though it won't be announced until the 12th, it sounds as if they have already voted on it, and the cat's out of the bag.

Tornon
11-05-2012, 09:42 PM
Okay, this is what he said he was referring to. Now, back to my previous post, if I read it correctly, though it won't be announced until the 12th, it sounds as if they have already voted on it, and the cat's out of the bag.

That article appears to just be for Sporting News. The Baseball Writers Association of America's award is the one that's the official award

Reds Fanatic
11-05-2012, 09:43 PM
Okay, this is what he said he was referring to. Now, back to my previous post, if I read it correctly, though it won't be announced until the 12th, it sounds as if they have already voted on it, and the cat's out of the bag.

There are 3 different awards. Frazier won the award voted on by the players. The Sporting News names their own Rookies of the Year which was announced last week. Then the main rookied of the year is voted on by the baseball writers and that will be announced next week.

redsmetz
11-12-2012, 11:31 AM
Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd insert this Joe Poz article about ROY voting and some history that is fascinating. I'll probably link to it when the award is announced tonight.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40250710

Gizmo
11-12-2012, 06:55 PM
came in 3rd, 60 points behind Miley and 67 behind Harper. Thought he'd be tighter than that.

schroomytunes
11-12-2012, 07:33 PM
I thought Miley should have had it followed by Harper then Frazier. Frazier had a terrible late August through the rest of the year, but by no means should Harper have gotten it over Miley! JMHO

dougdirt
11-12-2012, 07:34 PM
Miley falling apart in September cost him the award.

MrRedLegger
11-12-2012, 08:11 PM
Miley falling apart in September cost him the award.

Last impressions may mean a lot in this sort of thing. Harper's September/October was .330/.400/.643

Joseph
11-12-2012, 08:17 PM
Harper has the brightest future, but I still think Frazier should have won overall. Congrats to both kids though, hope to enjoy watching both play for years to come.

dougdirt
11-12-2012, 08:19 PM
Harper has the brightest future, but I still think Frazier should have won overall. Congrats to both kids though, hope to enjoy watching both play for years to come.

Harper had a 119 OPS+ and played a lot of center. Frazier had a 115 OPS+ and played corner positions.

Kc61
11-12-2012, 08:47 PM
Reds absentee September taking its toll. Cueto. Frazier.

And some of us here who suffered through it.

Wonder how Dusty will do in the manager of the year vote? Probably second to Johnson.

westofyou
11-12-2012, 09:36 PM
Angels center fielder Mike Trout and Nationals outfielder Bryce Harper have been named AL and NL Rookies of the Year, respectively, the Baseball Writers Association of America has announced.

Trout becomes the youngest player in league history to become the AL Rookie of the Year and joins Tim Salmon as the only Rookie of the Year winner in Angels history. He batted an incredible .326/.399/.564 with 30 homers and a league-leading 49 stolen bases in his age-20 season. Yoenis Cespedes, Yu Darvish, Wei-Yin Chen and Jarrod Parker rounded out the ballot (in that order).

The 19-year-old Harper is the second-youngest National League player to ever win the award behind Doc Gooden. He recovered from an extended slump over the summer with a monstrous final month that pushed his season batting line to .270/.340/.477. He also added 22 homers and 18 stolen bases. Wade Miley, Todd Frazier, Wilin Rosario, Norichika Aoki, Yonder Alonso, Matt Carpenter and Jordan Pacheco rounded out the ballot (in that order). Harper finished with 16 of 32 first-place votes. His 112 points gave him a narrow victory over Miley, who finished with 105 points.


Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/trout-harper-win-rookie-of-the-year-awards.html#dRpVxq0cWDUihC4k.99

Strikes Out Looking
11-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Tom Groeshen of the Enquirer voted Frazier 3rd, Harper 1st and Miley 2nd.

kaldaniels
11-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Tom Groeshen of the Enquirer voted Frazier 3rd, Harper 1st and Miley 2nd.

Fine by me.

dougdirt
11-12-2012, 10:03 PM
Tom Groeshen of the Enquirer voted Frazier 3rd, Harper 1st and Miley 2nd.

That is exactly how I would have voted.

Chip R
11-13-2012, 10:09 AM
I think the writers don't want to be on the wrong side of history. Like Joseph said, Harper has the brightest future and 10 years down the road, if he lives up to the hype, the writers don't want people wondering why they didn't vote for the superstar but they voted for a guy who blew out his arm or a guy who is probably retired or a utility player.

Blitz Dorsey
11-13-2012, 10:12 AM
Yeah, Frazier looked like the favorite at one point in August. But he did nothing in September. Not all his fault, as his playing time severely decreased, but it's a fact.

Frazier's emergence was huge last season. Otherwise, we'd be spending all offseason wondering "What the hell are the Reds going to do at third base?"

He was also a big part of winning a division title and certainly looks like the 3B of the future.

MrRedLegger
11-13-2012, 10:16 AM
I agree, I'm grateful that we even had a candidate until the very end. That is a very big win for us and for the future of the franchise. To have two rookies fill the left side of the infield and have a season like we did is a huge success.

_Sir_Charles_
11-13-2012, 10:29 AM
I'm mildly surprised Cozart didn't sneak into the top 8. His counting stats were up there with the leaders, his defense earned him a mention in the gold glove catagory...I'm fine with him not being in there, but just surprised he's not.

MikeThierry
11-13-2012, 11:21 AM
If I was a Reds fan, I wouldn't worry about this. I think Frazier probably should have won it but you guys have a bright talent at the corner position for years to come.

Tom Servo
11-13-2012, 12:27 PM
His counting stats were up there with the leaders
Charles, how do you figure Cozart's stats were "up there" with Harper and Frazier's?

_Sir_Charles_
11-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Charles, how do you figure Cozart's stats were "up there" with Harper and Frazier's?

Hmmm...for some reason I can't sort the stats on ESPN right now. But as I said, his COUNTING stats...not the slash lines.

Zack had more runs scored than Frazier (72 to 55) Harper had 98
Zack had more hits than Frazier (138 to 115) Harper had 144
Zack had more doubles than both (33 to 26 for both Frazier & Harper)
Zack's HR totals weren't far off them either (15 for Zack, 19 for Frazier, 22 for Harper)

Those were just a few I looked at. Sure, he had more playing time than either of them, but he had a pretty solid rookie campaign in many ways. Toss his defense in there and like I said, I'm a bit surprised he's not in the top 8 or so.