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alett12
11-06-2012, 01:51 PM
If the Reds could get Morgan on a minor league deal would anyone be interested? I feel like he would be a good addition even if he does not hit for a great batting average.

bounty37h
11-06-2012, 02:04 PM
Everyhting I have heard/read on him, pizz poor attitude, dont want to bring that in to a team that seems to have good chemistry right now.

alett12
11-06-2012, 02:09 PM
Even on the league minimum? He has to be better than Stubbs.

texasdave
11-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Blatantly stolen from ORG:


What do you see the Reds doing to address their need at lead-off? It is hard to see them signing anyone to a long term deal with Billy Hamilton about a year or so away.
Jerry Crasnick (1:22 PM)

Alex, I asked someone about this yesterday, and I think they're inclined to just go with the status quo (Drew Stubbs in center) until Billy Hamilton is ready. I've heard he looks pretty good in CF in the Arizona Fall League. The Reds people seem cautiously optimistic that he might be ready midway through the 2013 season -- if not sooner.

Forget what you read or heard about Stubbs falling out of favor with Dusty. Dusty loves him some speedy, low-OBP centerfielders. And we all know that OBP just clogs up those bases. It is in-scoring-position percentage that really counts. That's what made T-Virus so awesome.

The DARK
11-06-2012, 06:29 PM
Even on the league minimum? He has to be better than Stubbs.

I heard the same logic when we signed Edgar Renteria and Wilson Valdez. Don't underestimate how much worse things can get.

MoneyInTheBank
11-06-2012, 07:05 PM
Even on the league minimum? He has to be better than Stubbs.

If it were about talent, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I love how hard he plays. I just don't think he fits the personality of this team. I would describe this group as a bunch of nice, clean cut guys who respect each other and their opponents. There were questions about whether Latos would fit in with his quirkiness. So, you have this group of nice, respectful guys and your leadoff hitter next year steps to the plate with an absurdly large wad of tobacco in his cheek, gets a base hit and spews a string of expletives the whole way down the line and after a few hits, runs over the catcher on his way to the plate. He gets thrown at the next time up, throws said wad of tobacco at the pitcher and he charges the mound. None of this fits the personality of this team. Not to mention he got into an altercation with a Reds fan THIS season, he has thrown a ball at a fan in the past.

For me, the negatives greatly outweigh the positives.

malcontent
11-06-2012, 07:18 PM
I used to like him for his game.

That was before I saw what an incredible jerk he was.

Wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

Maker_84
11-06-2012, 09:19 PM
I used to like him for his game.

That was before I saw what an incredible jerk he was.

Wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

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WDE
11-07-2012, 12:17 AM
Please, lord, no. Cannot bear him.

LexRedsFan
11-07-2012, 12:41 AM
No thanks. Just don't like the guy.

Althought Cardinal fans don't either, so there would be some benefit.

alett12
11-07-2012, 01:12 AM
I heard the same logic when we signed Edgar Renteria and Wilson Valdez. Don't underestimate how much worse things can get.

First of all Renteria was not on a minor league deal nor near the league minimum. Second we did not sign Valdez we traded a weak minor league reliever for him. I still feel like he would be an upgrade over Drew Stubbs even with the issues that he has with his personality.

m21eagle45
11-07-2012, 01:06 PM
First of all Renteria was not on a minor league deal nor near the league minimum. Second we did not sign Valdez we traded a weak minor league reliever for him. I still feel like he would be an upgrade over Drew Stubbs even with the issues that he has with his personality.

Nobody is saying he would not be an upgrade over Stubbs from a pure talent standpoint. But the guy has some serious issues that can really hurt the chemistry of a team. You never know when he is going to do something that is going to get himself suspended and leave the team without a CF.

alett12
11-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Nobody is saying he would not be an upgrade over Stubbs from a pure talent standpoint. But the guy has some serious issues that can really hurt the chemistry of a team. You never know when he is going to do something that is going to get himself suspended and leave the team without a CF.

True I would take a shot on him as a cheap alternative but I would rather not play either and play Heisey but he has to high of an OBP for Dusty

TSJ55
11-07-2012, 01:44 PM
I would turn in my Red's fan membership card if this fool came to town.

MrRedLegger
11-07-2012, 03:00 PM
No one wants him, he's a clubhouse cancer with a horrible attitude. Remember he smacked a fan in the head at a Reds game this year? Or the fight with Volstad a few years back?

And he seems to be a quitter when things get tough.

bounty37h
11-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Even on the league minimum? He has to be better than Stubbs.

As a player alone, yes, but with his attitude, no thanks.

PhillipsHead
11-07-2012, 05:26 PM
No...he's a punk

cw0802
11-09-2012, 04:02 PM
No thanks. Just don't like the guy.

Althought Cardinal fans don't either, so there would be some benefit.

I'm a Cards fan and I wouldn't want the Reds to pick him up.

I honestly never understood the fascination with him. He runs his mouth so much you'd think he was a career 390 hitter and is a productive offensive player...then you look at the stats and think "wait...what?".

My favorite Morgan moments include:

Gaby Sanchez taking his head off.

Missing a fly ball and spiking his glove.

Pujols running him into the centerfield wall...

http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/hzHeVGKlvGDhg1zPmYDe0Q--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NyPTA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcA--/http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/ipt/mlb_morgan.jpg


this was a good read too...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_pujols_morgan_cardinals_brewers_nlcs_game_2 _101111

The DARK
11-09-2012, 04:33 PM
First of all Renteria was not on a minor league deal nor near the league minimum. Second we did not sign Valdez we traded a weak minor league reliever for him. I still feel like he would be an upgrade over Drew Stubbs even with the issues that he has with his personality.

Point taken, and I should have said "picked up" instead, but my point stands that most of the forum was just glad to be rid of the last scapegoats, and ignored the fact that the guys we were getting were even worse. Just because a guy comes cheap doesn't mean it's all upside; even the bench guys have to see significant play, especially here in the NL.

It's understandable that you want to overlook the personality and can't stand how bad Stubbs is, but looking at the stats, Morgan isn't even a real upgrade. He's a small-baller on the wrong side of 30. His OPS was the same as Stubbs last season, and he had even fewer steals. If the Brewers are fed up enough to outright him and he doesn't want a minor league contract, I don't see a reason why we should pick him up when we're one of the best teams in baseball.