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redsfan1995
11-12-2012, 08:24 PM
Season started yesterday with a win over Albany. Next game Saturday vs. Rhode Island. Questions for this season are will the Bucks get anything on the offensive side from Ravenel and Williams? And who will emerge as the 3rd scorer on the team. Hopefully this is another fun and entertaining year Im looking forward to it.

bucksfan2
11-13-2012, 08:47 AM
Season started yesterday with a win over Albany. Next game Saturday vs. Rhode Island. Questions for this season are will the Bucks get anything on the offensive side from Ravenel and Williams? And who will emerge as the 3rd scorer on the team. Hopefully this is another fun and entertaining year Im looking forward to it.

I am optimistic about this team. I don't know how much Ravenel or Williams will bring on offense but as long as they provide the defense they should be ok.

I do think it comes down to them finding a legit 3rd scorer. Its scary when you consider that Craft is the #2 scorer. Hopefully Ross can be as good as he was billed and either Thompson, Scott, or Smith Jr. can score.

traderumor
11-13-2012, 04:09 PM
I was surprised to read a very poor recruiting summary. Is Thad's player usage starting to affect recruiting?

redsfan1995
11-13-2012, 04:53 PM
I was surprised to read a very poor recruiting summary. Is Thad's player usage starting to affect recruiting?

That could have some effect but I think the state of Ohio has been lacking some talent the last few years we are used to seeing. They do have a nice player in Marc Loving coming from Toledo though in next years class. Also with Crean being at Indiana hes doing a good job with keeping kids in state so that hurts. I think they will make a big splash though in the 2014 class.

redsfan1995
11-18-2012, 11:32 AM
The Buckeyes won last night against Rhode Island and they play Washington today at 4:30 on ESPN 2

traderumor
11-29-2012, 09:54 AM
Watched most of this game last night. The achilles heel of this squad prevented a big road win---lack of offensive threats. You have Thomas, then the other best offensive guy couldn't find the floor in the second half after playing a good first half (Ross). That befuddled me. I want to see more of Ross, less of Smith and Thompson. I don't think they are going to win too many of their close games with one offensive threat and four defensive specialists on the floor for most of the minutes.

bucksfan2
11-29-2012, 10:18 AM
I was encouraged by the performance last night. They need to find another scorer, but for the most part they played a good game. Its tough to beat Duke in Duke and in the end Duke hit some tough contested shots that ended up being the margin.

OSU will need to find another scorer. Hopefully Ross will see the floor more and more as the season goes along. I do think this will be a team that gets better as the season goes along.

traderumor
11-29-2012, 11:54 AM
I was encouraged by the performance last night. They need to find another scorer, but for the most part they played a good game. Its tough to beat Duke in Duke and in the end Duke hit some tough contested shots that ended up being the margin.

OSU will need to find another scorer. Hopefully Ross will see the floor more and more as the season goes along. I do think this will be a team that gets better as the season goes along.One of the things that is starting to bug me about Matta teams is that they are long on "athletes," but a little short on basketball players. Maybe its just a cycle, but he just loves Sam Thompson, but all the guy can do on the offensive end is alley oops or penetration dunks. Shannon Scott can't shoot. No long range shooting guard since Diebler left two years ago. Just not liking the last few recruiting classes.

Oh, and since Craft reportedly worked hard on his outside shot in the offseason, it did not seem to make much of a difference.

redsfan1995
11-29-2012, 07:09 PM
I was actually very happy with the peformance last night even though they lost. The only problem was Craft had more shot attempts than Thomas. They need Thomas to be getting up the most shots. I can see this team getting alot better in March.

bucksfan2
11-30-2012, 08:42 AM
I was actually very happy with the peformance last night even though they lost. The only problem was Craft had more shot attempts than Thomas. They need Thomas to be getting up the most shots. I can see this team getting alot better in March.

My one beef in the game, and its a constant beef when Duke plays, the fouls. In the first half OSU was the more aggressive team, a step quicker to all the lose balls, and Duke was a step slow. Normally that combination means Duke is going to have more fouls than OSU, not so. In reality it kept Duke in the game and it put OSU's best two players on the bench for 10 minutes in Thomas and Craft for 5. Now in all likelihood that stretch playing deeper into your bench in a tough game will help OSU out in the long haul it was frustrating to watch.

As for traderumor's beef about Thad, its strictly a defensive thing. Thad has preferred to play better defenders over scorers. His last good 3 point shooter was Diebler but last year also had Buford who was a damn good shooter who had a tough season from deep. I think if anything Ross will get playing time as the season gets along but Smith and Thompson are very good defenders.

traderumor
11-30-2012, 03:12 PM
My one beef in the game, and its a constant beef when Duke plays, the fouls. In the first half OSU was the more aggressive team, a step quicker to all the lose balls, and Duke was a step slow. Normally that combination means Duke is going to have more fouls than OSU, not so. In reality it kept Duke in the game and it put OSU's best two players on the bench for 10 minutes in Thomas and Craft for 5. Now in all likelihood that stretch playing deeper into your bench in a tough game will help OSU out in the long haul it was frustrating to watch.

As for traderumor's beef about Thad, its strictly a defensive thing. Thad has preferred to play better defenders over scorers. His last good 3 point shooter was Diebler but last year also had Buford who was a damn good shooter who had a tough season from deep. I think if anything Ross will get playing time as the season gets along but Smith and Thompson are very good defenders.
OK, you started it now. ;) Duke. Can the media be anymore up the butt of Coach K? In the first half, they play bad, "well, looks like they're tired out there, boy this has been a grueling stretch for them." Jay Bilas claims they have played a schedule tougher than anyone has played in the history of the game. Well, that was Groundhog Day from last year when they were dismantled in Cbus. If somebody besides Thomas could hit a shot, they'd have gone down two years in a row. Oh, and apparently they had something in the tank to play at a high level the entire second half. Quit making excuses for the pretty boys.

Then there were the frat boy coaches trying to show emotion at the end of the game. They really didn't even know how to celebrate, as much as they tried. Grit your teeth, grab the other guy by his tailored suit jacket sleeve. What was that? They didn't even get a hair out of place during their "celebration." Elitists to the core.

Then there was #2, Cook perhaps, who was intent on starting a fight more than playing bball in the first half, trying to bait Ohio State and succeeding a couple of times. A new opposing player to disrespect.

As for my criticism, this team is going to need to balance the minutes if they are going to exceed my expectations, which right now is MAYBE a Sweet 16 team. There are too many one trick ponies on the squad to use the 7 man rotation. Going to have to sacrifice some defense to get another scoring threat on the floor at times. Tell Shannon Scott he is not allowed to shoot anything outside the paint when he is in the game. Use Ross to spell both Thompson and Smith, limiting the time that only one offensive threat is on the floor. I was worried about last year's team ability to shoot the ball, but this year is even worse. If he's going to keep on recruiting one trick ponies, start looking for a long range specialist.

bucksfan2
11-30-2012, 04:25 PM
@traderumor

I thought Quinn Cook was a punk thug in that game. There were many times where his intent was to get into an OSU players face and start something. There were a couple of times where he initiated something and probably could have gotten a technical.

traderumor
12-22-2012, 06:32 PM
I wasn't expecting much out of this team, and today it was on display in a national telecast. One team is athletic, but also has basketball players, the other team is athletic.

They just are going to struggle to have answers on offense when playing teams that can take away Thomas. I'm sure someone can give a technical answer, but Thomas disappeared and there was no answer. That is what I expect in most games against ranked opponents this year.

LaQuentin Ross, I'm off that bandwagon real fast. Yikes, he is lost on both ends of the court. He looked like a promising swing man, now I'm not sure he will be able to start in his last two seasons.

Craft, Scott, Ross and Thompson will get lots of open jumpers like today.

I think it is gonna be a long Big 10 season.

improbus
12-22-2012, 07:28 PM
I wasn't expecting much out of this team, and today it was on display in a national telecast. One team is athletic, but also has basketball players, the other team is athletic.

They just are going to struggle to have answers on offense when playing teams that can take away Thomas. I'm sure someone can give a technical answer, but Thomas disappeared and there was no answer. That is what I expect in most games against ranked opponents this year.

LaQuentin Ross, I'm off that bandwagon real fast. Yikes, he is lost on both ends of the court. He looked like a promising swing man, now I'm not sure he will be able to start in his last two seasons.

Craft, Scott, Ross and Thompson will get lots of open jumpers like today.

I think it is gonna be a long Big 10 season.
You may not want to hear this, but that is exactly the type of game where OSU needed a William Buford-type. They didn't have anyone who could break down Kansas defense and they don't have enough shooters to be really scary.

redsfan1995
12-22-2012, 08:04 PM
I wasn't expecting much out of this team, and today it was on display in a national telecast. One team is athletic, but also has basketball players, the other team is athletic.

They just are going to struggle to have answers on offense when playing teams that can take away Thomas. I'm sure someone can give a technical answer, but Thomas disappeared and there was no answer. That is what I expect in most games against ranked opponents this year.

LaQuentin Ross, I'm off that bandwagon real fast. Yikes, he is lost on both ends of the court. He looked like a promising swing man, now I'm not sure he will be able to start in his last two seasons.

Craft, Scott, Ross and Thompson will get lots of open jumpers like today
I think it is gonna be a long Big 10 season.

Both games they have lost this year Thomas has disappeared in the second half because he cannot get an open look. For this team to be good others have to make shots for Thomas to get shots.

Now I partially agree with you on the Ross part. Yes he does look lost at times but to make him and the offense effective I think him and Thomas need to be on the floor at the same time. When ross is out there they always have a man guarding him because he is a threat as opposed to Craft. With those two out there at the same time you have two guys who can make plays and create shots.

traderumor
12-23-2012, 09:01 PM
You may not want to hear this, but that is exactly the type of game where OSU needed a William Buford-type. They didn't have anyone who could break down Kansas defense and they don't have enough shooters to be really scary.Sure, they need probably at least two more shooters, but I don't even know if they one in house. I sure don't know who it would be. Craft can practice his shot 12 hours a day and it won't matter, he's just not a pure shooter. Thompson has a little better shot than Scott, but that's faint praise. It is one of those frustrating things to see, and Matta had two years to recruit Diebler's and Buford's replacement. That's disappointing, and I love Matta.

Assembly Hall
12-24-2012, 03:30 AM
I just dont know fellas. I had the Bucks picked to finish third in a very competitive B1G. After watching them a few times, I am starting to think 5-6. They definitely need to find their shooting stroke or change their offensive approach.

improbus
12-25-2012, 10:30 AM
Sure, they need probably at least two more shooters, but I don't even know if they one in house. I sure don't know who it would be. Craft can practice his shot 12 hours a day and it won't matter, he's just not a pure shooter. Thompson has a little better shot than Scott, but that's faint praise. It is one of those frustrating things to see, and Matta had two years to recruit Diebler's and Buford's replacement. That's disappointing, and I love Matta.
Well, he probably thought Ross would be further along than he is. Ross has the talent to be great, but he hasn't put it together yet.

bucksfan2
12-27-2012, 02:08 PM
I am surprised at the reaction after the loss to Kansas. They have lost two games, one in which the should have won @ Duke to the now ranked #1 team and then to a top 5 Kansas.

OSU has their issues, issues that most teams in college basketball would be ok with. They need to find another scorer. I am shocked that no one has really stepped up. Craft has been inconsistent, Smith Jr. has been inconsistent, Scott and Thompson haven't taken the necessary steps on offense, and they don't have an offensive big man. Ross is an enigma, he has all the skills on offense but is very good on defense. The thing with Thad is he doesn't have a problem playing Smith Jr. when his shooting is awful (and has yet to meet a shot he doesn't like) because of his defense, but doesn't play Ross because he isn't a good defender. IMO OSU needs more help offensively than they do defensively.

I think this team will get better as the season goes along. IU and Michigan may be better teams but I wouldn't be shocked if OSU beat them. They looked bad against Kansas because their shots weren't falling. If/when they start falling this is an entirely different team.

traderumor
12-27-2012, 04:10 PM
I am surprised at the reaction after the loss to Kansas. They have lost two games, one in which the should have won @ Duke to the now ranked #1 team and then to a top 5 Kansas.

OSU has their issues, issues that most teams in college basketball would be ok with. They need to find another scorer. I am shocked that no one has really stepped up. Craft has been inconsistent, Smith Jr. has been inconsistent, Scott and Thompson haven't taken the necessary steps on offense, and they don't have an offensive big man. Ross is an enigma, he has all the skills on offense but is very good on defense. The thing with Thad is he doesn't have a problem playing Smith Jr. when his shooting is awful (and has yet to meet a shot he doesn't like) because of his defense, but doesn't play Ross because he isn't a good defender. IMO OSU needs more help offensively than they do defensively.

I think this team will get better as the season goes along. IU and Michigan may be better teams but I wouldn't be shocked if OSU beat them. They looked bad against Kansas because their shots weren't falling. If/when they start falling this is an entirely different team.Their shots weren't falling because Self forced them to shoot jump shots knowing that the odds were in his favor with this squad. Its an achilles heel and they really don't have any answers right now. They'll need to beat the 2nd division teams on the road and win a couple of games at home against the top tier teams to get a top 4 seed. I just don't think that they will be able to cobble together enough offense from players not named Thomas in the big games to be able to make good defensive teams play them honest. They will double and triple Thomas until someone else proves to be a threat. Who will that be? He's not on their roster from what I've seen.

redsfan1995
01-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Big win today against Michigan. Michigan is a good team. Ohio States defense was outstanding.

Assembly Hall
01-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Big win today against Michigan. Michigan is a good team. Ohio States defense was outstanding.

Yes on all accounts.

traderumor
01-14-2013, 12:30 PM
I only got to see the highlights of this one, but the last two wins have both revolved around Craft being that other scorer that I've kept on asking if there was anyone in house that could be that person. I am taking a guess that Chris Jent has either gotten the adjustment he was working on to be effective for Craft or he has scrapped the adjustment for now. Regardless, if Craft can be a consistent threat as in the last two, then this team is once again a top 10 team and threat to finish high in the Big 10. We'll see.

Expect to see a lot of zone, though, until they shoot through it.

goreds2
02-03-2013, 08:31 PM
Buckeyes play Michigan on Tuesday.

Date: Feb. 5, 2013
Location: Ann Arbor, Mich.
Time: 9:00 p.m. ET

Coverage
TV: ESPN
Radio: 97.1 FM

traderumor
02-06-2013, 09:45 AM
This was a wonderful game. Ohio State played as well as I've seen them play this year and it took a barrage of threes from Hardaway to keep UM close enough to steal away this game. The Buckeyes seem to be getting better on the offensive end, much more balanced than it appeared they would be when the Big 10 season started. Their defense is as good as anyone in the country.

Having seen Michigan play a couple of times recently, I'd have to say that March Madness is going to be full of upsets this year if that is a top 5 team. There seems to be a lot of balance throughout the land this year.

bucksfan2
02-06-2013, 10:09 AM
This was a wonderful game. Ohio State played as well as I've seen them play this year and it took a barrage of threes from Hardaway to keep UM close enough to steal away this game. The Buckeyes seem to be getting better on the offensive end, much more balanced than it appeared they would be when the Big 10 season started. Their defense is as good as anyone in the country.

Having seen Michigan play a couple of times recently, I'd have to say that March Madness is going to be full of upsets this year if that is a top 5 team. There seems to be a lot of balance throughout the land this year.

Things are looking up for OSU. IMO if that game is at the Schott or a neutral site OSU wins. UM took advantage of the home court advantage and Hardaway Jr. going 6-6 from three in the 2nd half. That doesn't happen often, much less when the 3's are contested.

The most impressive thing from last night had to be Williams and Ross on offense. Ross looked like a completely different player last night than he has through the season. He played passable D and was a beast on the offensive boards. If he plays like that OSU has to be a Final 4 contender.

redsfan1995
02-06-2013, 08:13 PM
I really like where this team is heading I think they are starting to figure things out.

traderumor
02-07-2013, 10:39 AM
I really like where this team is heading I think they are starting to figure things out.Maybe they will be one of those teams that gets hot at tourney time. I was most impressed that they played so well in a game against a legit top 5 team on their home floor without a big game from Thomas. Despite the loss, that is what was most impressive. They should be able to get a top 5 finish in the conference and get a 3 or 4 seed.

redsfan1995
03-05-2013, 11:37 PM
Wow what a win I have never seen Craft play with this much confidence before. Him and Scott were terrific they will create problems in the tournament.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 08:16 AM
They looked fabulous. The thing that impressed me the most was their defensive play.

Hoosier Red
03-06-2013, 08:21 AM
Wow what a win I have never seen Craft play with this much confidence before. Him and Scott were terrific they will create problems in the tournament.

Craft's shots to beat the shot clock were absolute killers. Very impressive.

bucksfan2
03-06-2013, 08:47 AM
Craft's shots to beat the shot clock were absolute killers. Very impressive.

First time this season OSU played a great game and finished. It was a game that probably solidifies them with a 3 seed at worst. Baring and epic collapse against Illinois as well as losing to a bad team in the B1G tournament. Last night proves what can happen if they get some complimentary scoring. Craft was awesome last night, Scott was as disruptive as I have seen him, and Thompson provided some early scoring. The thing with guys like Thompson, Smith Jr, and even Scott, they can score if they are confident. Too often they don't look for their shot and it hurts the offense. Those guys playing confidence make this team very tough to beat.

Now to IU, sans Olidepo, this teams lacks toughness. For a team as good as they are they just didn't have the toughness when someone hits them in the face. Crean's style is to outscore you and it shows. There were several times where the ball wasn't even in the hoop and Zeller was taking off instead of rebounding. There was a play late in the game where the announcers mentioned a planned flop where #11 hit the deck and the assistants on the bench jumped up wanting an offensive foul. Kind of a bush league play for a team as good as IU.

Then you IU guys may be able to help, but whats the deal with the entire celebration after the game. They clinched a tie for the B1G title and go on to celebrate by getting hats and cutting down the nets? I get the entire senior day thing, but celebrating a co-B1G championship is kinda like kissing your sister when you consider it could be a 3-4 way tie. I still think IU is the favorite but all will depend on matchups.

Hoosier Red
03-06-2013, 09:05 AM
First time this season OSU played a great game and finished. It was a game that probably solidifies them with a 3 seed at worst. Baring and epic collapse against Illinois as well as losing to a bad team in the B1G tournament. Last night proves what can happen if they get some complimentary scoring. Craft was awesome last night, Scott was as disruptive as I have seen him, and Thompson provided some early scoring. The thing with guys like Thompson, Smith Jr, and even Scott, they can score if they are confident. Too often they don't look for their shot and it hurts the offense. Those guys playing confidence make this team very tough to beat.

Now to IU, sans Olidepo, this teams lacks toughness. For a team as good as they are they just didn't have the toughness when someone hits them in the face. Crean's style is to outscore you and it shows. There were several times where the ball wasn't even in the hoop and Zeller was taking off instead of rebounding. There was a play late in the game where the announcers mentioned a planned flop where #11 hit the deck and the assistants on the bench jumped up wanting an offensive foul. Kind of a bush league play for a team as good as IU.

Then you IU guys may be able to help, but whats the deal with the entire celebration after the game. They clinched a tie for the B1G title and go on to celebrate by getting hats and cutting down the nets? I get the entire senior day thing, but celebrating a co-B1G championship is kinda like kissing your sister when you consider it could be a 3-4 way tie. I still think IU is the favorite but all will depend on matchups.

The celebration was lame. It would have been somewhat lame even if they had won IMO. I think you should only cut down nets when you win the game.

That said, I understand the reasoning behind it. Like the Sweet 16 rings for the seniors on last year's team(which I also think were pretty lame) Crean wanted to really show his appreciation to these two classes who have brought IU back from the precipice. Going forward, I hope it won't be the case that every little accomplishment is celebrated.

Hoosier Red
03-06-2013, 09:16 AM
Now to IU, sans Olidepo, this teams lacks toughness. For a team as good as they are they just didn't have the toughness when someone hits them in the face. Crean's style is to outscore you and it shows. There were several times where the ball wasn't even in the hoop and Zeller was taking off instead of rebounding. There was a play late in the game where the announcers mentioned a planned flop where #11 hit the deck and the assistants on the bench jumped up wanting an offensive foul. Kind of a bush league play for a team as good as IU.


I think the toughness aspect is a little bit overstated. It's not as if Michigan State isn't a physical team. IU was tougher than tOSU in the first matchup in my opinion. While I think that's the only way to beat IU, God knows you won't outrun them, but I don't think it's like its a surefire way to win.

bucksfan2
03-06-2013, 09:30 AM
The celebration was lame. It would have been somewhat lame even if they had won IMO. I think you should only cut down nets when you win the game.

That said, I understand the reasoning behind it. Like the Sweet 16 rings for the seniors on last year's team(which I also think were pretty lame) Crean wanted to really show his appreciation to these two classes who have brought IU back from the precipice. Going forward, I hope it won't be the case that every little accomplishment is celebrated.

Fair enough. Crean went about rebuilding IU's program his own way. Because I am a fan of OSU Thad also had to rebuild a program, granted it wasn't as down as IU's, but it had a post season ban and such. He was able to rebuild the club with one recruiting class (taking advantage of Mike Davis inabilities in Indiana). But Crean decided to do it from the ground up, take some massive lumps, and build a damn good club.

All that said there were a couple of things that I always thought were odd. I don't remember exactly, but I thought there was some kind of pep rally type thingy when he landed Zeller. Then you had the whole "family party" when IU beat a top 25 team for the first time under Crean.

Crean has turned IU from a doormat to a very good program, but some of the stuff they do makes you go WTF?!?!?

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 09:35 AM
I think the toughness aspect is a little bit overstated. It's not as if Michigan State isn't a physical team. IU was tougher than tOSU in the first matchup in my opinion. While I think that's the only way to beat IU, God knows you won't outrun them, but I don't think it's like its a surefire way to win.

I think the Bucks guards were the key. Their play was far superior to IU's backcourt on both ends of the court.

I also think it was a "bush league" thing they did after the game.

traderumor
03-06-2013, 09:39 AM
The celebration was lame. It would have been somewhat lame even if they had won IMO. I think you should only cut down nets when you win the game.

That said, I understand the reasoning behind it. Like the Sweet 16 rings for the seniors on last year's team(which I also think were pretty lame) Crean wanted to really show his appreciation to these two classes who have brought IU back from the precipice. Going forward, I hope it won't be the case that every little accomplishment is celebrated.I think this is very fair for a fan's observation. The celebration is lame, as is the separate banner for this squad. I get the comeback from the dead of the program, but who is he really wanting to memorialize? And, quite honestly, the comeback from the dead was self-inflicted from hiring Kelvin Sampson. Indiana was still relevant under Mike Davis.

For a frame of reference, Ohio State bottomed out twice recently, once when Ayers got the program in trouble, and then when O'Brien did the same. I don't recall all the drama with future success that I see out of the Indiana corner when the Bucks revived the program twice in the same time frame. Maybe a bit with Tressel in football (since OSU football and IU bball are similar in fanatacism), but then they won a NC. Honor them with what's appropriate for the accomplishments, but please quit with the "savior of the program" mentality. It's quite stomach turning.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 10:31 AM
I think this is very fair for a fan's observation. The celebration is lame, as is the separate banner for this squad. I get the comeback from the dead of the program, but who is he really wanting to memorialize? And, quite honestly, the comeback from the dead was self-inflicted from hiring Kelvin Sampson. Indiana was still relevant under Mike Davis.

For a frame of reference, Ohio State bottomed out twice recently, once when Ayers got the program in trouble, and then when O'Brien did the same. I don't recall all the drama with future success that I see out of the Indiana corner when the Bucks revived the program twice in the same time frame. Maybe a bit with Tressel in football (since OSU football and IU bball are similar in fanatacism), but then they won a NC. Honor them with what's appropriate for the accomplishments, but please quit with the "savior of the program" mentality. It's quite stomach turning.

Good stuff!:thumbup:

Werent there some issues with Gary Williams as well?

Hoosier Red
03-06-2013, 10:58 AM
I think this is very fair for a fan's observation. The celebration is lame, as is the separate banner for this squad. I get the comeback from the dead of the program, but who is he really wanting to memorialize? And, quite honestly, the comeback from the dead was self-inflicted from hiring Kelvin Sampson. Indiana was still relevant under Mike Davis.

For a frame of reference, Ohio State bottomed out twice recently, once when Ayers got the program in trouble, and then when O'Brien did the same. I don't recall all the drama with future success that I see out of the Indiana corner when the Bucks revived the program twice in the same time frame. Maybe a bit with Tressel in football (since OSU football and IU bball are similar in fanatacism), but then they won a NC. Honor them with what's appropriate for the accomplishments, but please quit with the "savior of the program" mentality. It's quite stomach turning.


Its hard to make a basketball to football comparison but I agree with a lot of this. While Ohio State football never saw the depths that IU basketball did the fan base's expectations are generally similar.

I've said all along that Crean cleaned out all the cupboards as a means of self preservation/promotion. While it's true Dakich had thrown some of the bad apples out already, the majority of the kids remaining could have been brought back into the fold. Crean knew that if he came back with a team of decent players(Jordan Crawford included) but produced mediocre results, it would have made for a tougher story to sell. But if he came in and completely cleaned house, he could sell the story that the early struggles were all part of the plan. Basically 6-26 with 1 scholarship player returning was an easier sell than 10-18 with 3 guys returning.

By gutting the program, he basically granted himself immunity for two years and after those two seasons, as the team was beginning to turn the corner, he landed Cody and Yogi and the rest of the recruits and got himself one more year. In the end this was all he needed.

RiverRat13
03-06-2013, 11:11 AM
Good stuff!:thumbup:

Werent there some issues with Gary Williams as well?

Williams did a nice job building the team that Ayers took over featuring Jimmy Jackson. He left because (on the record) his alma mater needed him. Off the record the issue was Gary messing around with OSU employees and cheerleaders.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 11:28 AM
Its hard to make a basketball to football comparison but I agree with a lot of this. While Ohio State football never saw the depths that IU basketball did the fan base's expectations are generally similar.

I've said all along that Crean cleaned out all the cupboards as a means of self preservation/promotion. While it's true Dakich had thrown some of the bad apples out already, the majority of the kids remaining could have been brought back into the fold. Crean knew that if he came back with a team of decent players(Jordan Crawford included) but produced mediocre results, it would have made for a tougher story to sell. But if he came in and completely cleaned house, he could sell the story that the early struggles were all part of the plan. Basically 6-26 with 1 scholarship player returning was an easier sell than 10-18 with 3 guys returning.

By gutting the program, he basically granted himself immunity for two years and after those two seasons, as the team was beginning to turn the corner, he landed Cody and Yogi and the rest of the recruits and got himself one more year. In the end this was all he needed.

Interesting assessment. I cant argue one bit with it other than 10-18 comment. They would have had 3 starters returning off a team that was pretty dang good until the Sampson ordeal(Armon Bassett along with Crawford) and a pretty good big man in Eli Holman. I think the team would win more than 10 games. But I see your point.

I do concur with what the Bucks fans are saying. They have had several coaching changes concerning "wrong doing" and have bounced back everytime. The same can be said for Michigan ever since the "Fab 5". I really dont know why IU nation makes such a big deal out of what Crean has done, but they do. Other "big time" programs have walked down the same path. And to be honest this aint the first time IU has walked it either. Bob Knight was hired to clean up a mess himself.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 11:30 AM
Williams did a nice job building the team that Ayers took over featuring Jimmy Jackson. He left because (on the record) his alma mater needed him. Off the record the issue was Gary messing around with OSU employees and cheerleaders.

Never heard that......I was thinking it had something to do with Brad Sellars who transferred from Wisconsin.

bucksfan2
03-06-2013, 11:53 AM
I do concur with what the Bucks fans are saying. They have had several coaching changes concerning "wrong doing" and have bounced back everytime. The same can be said for Michigan ever since the "Fab 5". I really dont know why IU nation makes such a big deal out of what Crean has done, but they do. Other "big time" programs have walked down the same path. And to be honest this aint the first time IU has walked it either. Bob Knight was hired to clean up a mess himself.

I guess as an outsider everything that Crean has done off the court seems odd to me. To compound on what you have said, there have been many big time programs who have gone through what Indiana has and haven't reacted the same way. Don't get me wrong, I get the accomplishment especially when you take into consideration the path Crean has taken. I think its somewhat similar to what Cronin did at UC, albeit on a different level. IU basketball has a much bigger profile than UC does.

After hearing about the events of last night I am kinda hoping this happens. It was documented during the telecast that IU is going to hang a special B1G Championship banner for this season. From my perspective I think "Your IU basketball, your supposed to win B1G titles." But I am hoping they do lose to UM and there is a 4 way tie and they hang that special banner. Outright titles are something to be celebrated, co-titles are like kissing your sister, hanging a banner for a 4-way tie is kinda stupid.

Revering4Blue
03-06-2013, 12:07 PM
Never heard that......I was thinking it had something to do with Brad Sellars who transferred from Wisconsin.

Sellers never played for Gary Williams, who replaced Eldon Miller in '86.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 12:51 PM
Sellers never played for Gary Williams, who replaced Eldon Miller in '86.

You are right. I remember some controversy surrounding Sellars going to Ohio St. Just seems like I remember Williams having some issues as well in Columbus. I cant remember.

traderumor
03-06-2013, 12:52 PM
I guess as an outsider everything that Crean has done off the court seems odd to me. To compound on what you have said, there have been many big time programs who have gone through what Indiana has and haven't reacted the same way. Don't get me wrong, I get the accomplishment especially when you take into consideration the path Crean has taken. I think its somewhat similar to what Cronin did at UC, albeit on a different level. IU basketball has a much bigger profile than UC does.

After hearing about the events of last night I am kinda hoping this happens. It was documented during the telecast that IU is going to hang a special B1G Championship banner for this season. From my perspective I think "Your IU basketball, your supposed to win B1G titles." But I am hoping they do lose to UM and there is a 4 way tie and they hang that special banner. Outright titles are something to be celebrated, co-titles are like kissing your sister, hanging a banner for a 4-way tie is kinda stupid.Great points. It kinda makes it even sweeter that the Bucks crashed the Hoosiers sweet 16 party by beating up the guests of honor in the ballroom while Sugar Daddy could only sit by and watch.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 01:04 PM
I guess as an outsider everything that Crean has done off the court seems odd to me. To compound on what you have said, there have been many big time programs who have gone through what Indiana has and haven't reacted the same way. Don't get me wrong, I get the accomplishment especially when you take into consideration the path Crean has taken. I think its somewhat similar to what Cronin did at UC, albeit on a different level. IU basketball has a much bigger profile than UC does.

After hearing about the events of last night I am kinda hoping this happens. It was documented during the telecast that IU is going to hang a special B1G Championship banner for this season. From my perspective I think "Your IU basketball, your supposed to win B1G titles." But I am hoping they do lose to UM and there is a 4 way tie and they hang that special banner. Outright titles are something to be celebrated, co-titles are like kissing your sister, hanging a banner for a 4-way tie is kinda stupid.

I completely understand coming from an outsider. Even as an "insider" I have questioned quite a few things. My take on that banner thing is that Crean is trying to take a page out of the General's book. There is a banner in the Hall that stands alone pointing out a Big Ten Championship. It was a banner hung in honor of the fans. In 1983 the Hoosiers were pretty dang good and were waltzing through Big Ten play, Ted Kitchel went down and the Hoosiers did as well. Bobby told the fans that the team needed their support which they gave. In honor of that championship a banner was hung by itself for the fans. Me thinks that Crean is trying to play a hand similar to that.

traderumor
03-06-2013, 02:11 PM
I completely understand coming from an outsider. Even as an "insider" I have questioned quite a few things. My take on that banner thing is that Crean is trying to take a page out of the General's book. There is a banner in the Hall that stands alone pointing out a Big Ten Championship. It was a banner hung in honor of the fans. In 1983 the Hoosiers were pretty dang good and were waltzing through Big Ten play, Ted Kitchel went down and the Hoosiers did as well. Bobby told the fans that the team needed their support which they gave. In honor of that championship a banner was hung by itself for the fans. Me thinks that Crean is trying to play a hand similar to that.But, I recall Assembly Hall having fans disguised as empty seats, significant attendance drop, through the lean years. The only similarity is that both coaches like to grandstand ;)

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 02:52 PM
But, I recall Assembly Hall having fans disguised as empty seats, significant attendance drop, through the lean years. The only similarity is that both coaches like to grandstand ;)

LOL......cant argue there!!!!!!!:laugh:

Hoosier Red
03-06-2013, 03:59 PM
But, I recall Assembly Hall having fans disguised as empty seats, significant attendance drop, through the lean years. The only similarity is that both coaches like to grandstand ;)

A lot of the fans didn't show up, but even in the lean years IU never slipped below 16th nationally in terms of paid attendance. So at least they were dressed as paid empty seats :)

traderumor
03-06-2013, 04:30 PM
A lot of the fans didn't show up, but even in the lean years IU never slipped below 16th nationally in terms of paid attendance. So at least they were dressed as paid empty seats :)Folks keeping their season tickets for better days, not showing up when the team was bad. Glad the faithful have money to burn.

WMR
03-06-2013, 04:41 PM
It's the same reason they built a shrine for a relatively meaningless regular season win over UK...

or why the Bloomington phone book's front cover was a picture of "The Shot" (lol)...

or handing out rings for making the SWEET 16...

You're seriously going to cut down the nets for ensuring yourself at least a piece of the B1G??!! Seriously?

They haven't won anything of significance in over two decades and they're desperate for something to celebrate.

I know a couple old school IU fans and they're actually embarrassed that IU puts on such dog and pony shows for such lame "accomplishments." A program that has 5 national championships SHOULD be above such silliness.

As an addendum, I think Crean does it because he sees it as a way of ensuring his own job security. I mean, how can you criticize a coach when his team just cut down nets? :laugh: It's startling how many IU fans buy into these "accomplishments" hook, line, and sinker.

IMO, all this celebrating may very well end up coming back to bite them in the ass in the tournament because it contributes to the players having a false sense of accomplishment and feeling content because of that.

IU still has a decent shot to win it all, IMO, but it's looking right now like they peaked a couple months too soon.

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 06:23 PM
Or why UK retired players jersey's after the '92 season!!!!!!!!

The points are well taken WMR. As I have said time and time again........elite programs go through these kind of things. Even the Wildcats have had their trials and tribulations. As an "old school" IU fan I shake my head a lot of times with what I see. I also see many of my friends shake their heads with what is going on at their particular schools. No school is exempt nor ever will be.

Razor Shines
03-06-2013, 06:43 PM
It's the same reason they built a shrine for a relatively meaningless regular season win over UK...

or why the Bloomington phone book's front cover was a picture of "The Shot" (lol)...

or handing out rings for making the SWEET 16...

You're seriously going to cut down the nets for ensuring yourself at least a piece of the B1G??!! Seriously?

They haven't won anything of significance in over two decades and they're desperate for something to celebrate.

I know a couple old school IU fans and they're actually embarrassed that IU puts on such dog and pony shows for such lame "accomplishments." A program that has 5 national championships SHOULD be above such silliness.

As an addendum, I think Crean does it because he sees it as a way of ensuring his own job security. I mean, how can you criticize a coach when his team just cut down nets? :laugh: It's startling how many IU fans buy into these "accomplishments" hook, line, and sinker.

IMO, all this celebrating may very well end up coming back to bite them in the ass in the tournament because it contributes to the players having a false sense of accomplishment and feeling content because of that.

IU still has a decent shot to win it all, IMO, but it's looking right now like they peaked a couple months too soon.

I'm embarrassed that IU fans are embarrassed by it. I think its hysterical that people take these things so seriously. I hope they do it more often. Maybe that can be their next recruiting tool. "At Indiana we cut down the nets after every win, or loss for that matter, because all games at Indiana are special...and we think you're pretty special. Here is the celebretory ring you will receive for signing your letter of intent."

Assembly Hall
03-06-2013, 07:38 PM
I'm embarrassed that IU fans are embarrassed by it. I think its hysterical that people take these things so seriously. I hope they do it more often. Maybe that can be their next recruiting tool. "At Indiana we cut down the nets after every win, or loss for that matter, because all games at Indiana are special...and we think you're pretty special. Here is the celebretory ring you will receive for signing your letter of intent."

Now I like that way of thinking. :beerme:

WMR
03-06-2013, 07:43 PM
I'm embarrassed that IU fans are embarrassed by it. I think its hysterical that people take these things so seriously. I hope they do it more often. Maybe that can be their next recruiting tool. "At Indiana we cut down the nets after every win, or loss for that matter, because all games at Indiana are special...and we think you're pretty special. Here is the celebretory ring you will receive for signing your letter of intent."

:lol::thumbup:

traderumor
03-10-2013, 06:29 PM
Michigan-sending a boy to do a man's job, geesh

Assembly Hall
03-10-2013, 06:47 PM
Michigan-sending a boy to do a man's job, geesh

LOL......what did ya expect?:D

Buckeye33
03-16-2013, 07:27 PM
What a great coaching job my Matta the last half of the season. Yet another B10 tournament final for Bucks.

redsfan1995
03-16-2013, 08:19 PM
This team is playing some great basketball. Aaron Craft is amazing.

RiverRat13
03-16-2013, 10:03 PM
What a great coaching job my Matta the last half of the season. Yet another B10 tournament final for Bucks.

It might be his best coaching job at OSU. This team has some serious limitations on offense and no post threat to speak of and yet it keeps winning.

Assembly Hall
03-17-2013, 05:40 PM
Congrats fellas.......job well done!!!!!:thumbup:

traderumor
03-17-2013, 06:03 PM
Congrats fellas.......job well done!!!!!:thumbup:

Now how am I supposed to make comments like "The more traditional Buckeyes cut down the nets after a win for a championship" without some regret? ;)

Assembly Hall
03-17-2013, 08:43 PM
Now how am I supposed to make comments like "The more traditional Buckeyes cut down the nets after a win for a championship" without some regret? ;)

LOL...I hear ya. ;) Good luck the rest of the way out.

Razor Shines
03-17-2013, 08:51 PM
Now how am I supposed to make comments like "The more traditional Buckeyes cut down the nets after a win for a championship" without some regret? ;)
Well you just did and you seem ok. I'm just glad Wisconsin didn't win.


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bucksfan2
03-18-2013, 08:30 AM
It might be his best coaching job at OSU. This team has some serious limitations on offense and no post threat to speak of and yet it keeps winning.

The way OSU played in the B1G tournament was more of what I expected throughout the season. Ross stepped up big time and Thompson was an offensive force as well. I expected OSU to have difficulty scoring at times this season but not as bad as it got at times.

I think OSU is a dangerous, dangerous team right now. Especially if they get guys like Ross and Thompson to step up. If they can find 10-15 points somewhere unexpected that makes them very tough to beat. Over the past 8 games they are 8-0 with wins over IU, MSUx2, Illinois, and Wisconsin. That is about as impressive stretch as you will see.

traderumor
03-18-2013, 10:32 AM
Of the top tourney teams, I'm not sure there is one out there playing better D right now than the Buckeyes. That's what makes it very plausible that they can keep this run up. However, as they've shown this year, when the D has an off night, its blow out city. That was the story in both the embarrassing road losses to Wisconsin and Illinois. However, the blowout in Wisconsin preceded their current stellar play. Wake up call?

But their offense is still hard to watch. Glad to see Sam Thompson becoming an outside threat. If he continues to improve his jumper, the sky's the limit with his athletic ability. It's been fun to watch them develop, although I still think they'll have trouble winning their 2nd round game.

Assembly Hall
03-18-2013, 05:52 PM
The one thing that really stands out to me about Ohio St. VS the rest of the "upper tier" teams is the fact they have a guy that is an offensive machine. Thomas can flat out score from anywhere, down on the block with his back to the basket or 5 foot behind the 3-point line with a hand in his face. One word says it all........STUD. They are a force to be reckoned with right now and they are gonna be facing non-B1G teams. He is a match-up problem from hell.

kaldaniels
03-23-2013, 08:18 PM
Buckeyes have as clear a path to the Final Four as you could ask for. Now time to execute.

Assembly Hall
03-24-2013, 07:54 AM
Buckeyes have as clear a path to the Final Four as you could ask for. Now time to execute.

It is there for the taking. FWIW......I had them penciled in.

bucksfan2
03-24-2013, 08:56 AM
Buckeyes have as clear a path to the Final Four as you could ask for. Now time to execute.

They had one a couple of years ago when a good Evan Turner's team lost to Tennessee. Iowa State scares me and Arizona does as well. But having Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Pitt gone sure make things easier if they can make it to the elite 8.

thatcoolguy_22
03-24-2013, 04:02 PM
What a shot! Congrats, gents. Hopefully IU can join you guys in the Sweet 16.

B1G 9-1 in the tourney ... wisconsin...

redsfan1995
03-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Great shot indeed so happy I got to see that one in person!

Reds/Flyers Fan
03-25-2013, 04:14 AM
I was right behind the basket on the OSU bench side for the game winner. Row J ... it was amazing. Simply put: Go Bucks!

And no one knows how to put on a better tournament than the University of Dayton. I was watching the Ole Miss game tonight from Kansas City and the entire upper deck was empty. Not a problem here. ... Not a single empty seat at legendary UD Arena. I talked to Iowa State fans and a couple of IU fans today and everyone was raving about the arena and their weekend here. Frankly, Dayton destroys this tourney and does things first class. Well done!

Go Bucks! Go Flyers! And Go Reds!

Razor Shines
03-25-2013, 08:56 AM
Well KC did have a bit of a blizzard. That might have had something to do with some empty seats. Plus, The Sprint Center in KC holds around 19,000 and the UD arena is like 13,000-14,000.


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texasdave
03-25-2013, 09:40 AM
What a shot! Congrats, gents. Hopefully IU can join you guys in the Sweet 16.

B1G 9-1 in the tourney ... wisconsin...

And I thought Charles Barkley said the Big 10 was overrated? :)

RiverRat13
03-25-2013, 10:03 AM
And I thought Charles Barkley said the Big 10 was overrated? :)

Barkley did not have a good first weekend.

thatcoolguy_22
03-25-2013, 10:14 AM
And I thought Charles Barkley said the Big 10 was overrated? :)

Ha! I decided that Barkley's gambling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley#Gambling) problem stems from some bad B1G bets. The only game all Sat/Sun he picked a B1G team to win was IU.

traderumor
03-25-2013, 05:51 PM
The Buckeyes--while I was accurate in the preseason assessment that they would be scoring challenged, I did not give enough credit to the defense offsetting that deficiency. I thought they would be a middle of the pack Big 10 team with the strength of the conference, but they exceeded that. I was not going to be disappointed if they did not make the sweet 16, but here they are.

So, what is Arizona bringing to the table this year?

redsfan1995
03-25-2013, 10:13 PM
The Buckeyes--while I was accurate in the preseason assessment that they would be scoring challenged, I did not give enough credit to the defense offsetting that deficiency. I thought they would be a middle of the pack Big 10 team with the strength of the conference, but they exceeded that. I was not going to be disappointed if they did not make the sweet 16, but here they are.

So, what is Arizona bringing to the table this year?

From what I have read somewhat like Ohio State. Very long athletic team who plays good defense. They live and die with Mark Lyons the former Xavier PG. If he has an off night they usually lose. Their weaknesses are they give up alot of 3 pointers and they turn the ball over a decent amount. This should be a good game.

Reds/Flyers Fan
03-26-2013, 03:18 PM
Barkley did not have a good first weekend.

He's turribul.

I have no idea why these NBA analysts are handling the NCAA tournament. Can't they find people who know college basketball? I doubt Barkley and the rest of those guys watch much other than the NBA. They're clearly out of their league handling this tournament, no pun intended.

Assembly Hall
03-26-2013, 08:22 PM
He's turribul.

I have no idea why these NBA analysts are handling the NCAA tournament. Can't they find people who know college basketball? I doubt Barkley and the rest of those guys watch much other than the NBA. They're clearly out of their league handling this tournament, no pun intended.

Turner handles the NBA......so therefore all their guys are that way. It is kind of ironic, the guy from UNLV is the guy that knows his stuff.

Reds Fanatic
03-28-2013, 10:03 PM
What a great 2nd half by Ross tonight

BuckeyeRed27
03-28-2013, 10:30 PM
What a great 2nd half by Ross tonight

Understatement of the year?

traderumor
03-29-2013, 10:07 AM
Game Summary: Star player keeps team in game for first 10 minutes. Next star player takes over last 10 minutes of second half to win the game.

If Thomas doesn't score 16 in the first half and hit some big buckets when Arizona was threatening to run away with it, the second half would have been overcoming a high double digit lead. Matta bringing Craft back in was also a stroke of bravado that worked out. Amir Williams rejection, for whatever reason, turned the tide and all of a sudden Arizona backed off, quit challenging as much. I said it was a big play when it happened as Arizona had been relentless for the first 12 minutes. Then a big guy blocks a shot and they wimper away like a frightened kitty from that point on. It was stunning to see how dramatic that one block changed the look of the opponent's offense.

Ross, you can just tell he's got it on offense, but he is so dang careless with the ball that you just never know and it has made it difficult to keep him on the floor. I'm glad he's developed now to the point where his careless turnovers are mitigated by production.

I am very impressed by DeShaun Thomas. Not because he's the star scorer, but that he has turned into a great teammate who appears to have played this season in the best interests of the team, not in rising his NBA draft status. He came on campus and never saw a shot he didn't like, played poor D, and made me wonder if he wasn't just a great HS player who disappoints in college. He has developed into at least a passable defender, the guy who can snatch you a big rebound, and is able to quietly carry the team on his back and step aside when the others start getting it going.

I know a lot of folks thought this could be the story of the Bucks season, with some development resulting in a nice tourney run. I was skeptical, esp. after the mid-conference slump. Now, I see them as truly being a top 5 team at this point in the season. Ross is starting to play as expected, Thompson has developed a jumper, and the D is best in the country. Let's hope they don't take Wichita St. lightly, but who wouldn't want to be in a position to have only that standing between another trip to the Final Four?

As for Arizona, that was a talented team. I had not seen a minute of their games all year, but after watching them, the Bucks win is even more impressive.

Buckeye33
03-30-2013, 08:10 PM
Obviously they aren't going to win if they don't start making shots, but a couple of these calls by the refs have been mind blowingly terrible. Bucks still would have been losing but it could have been 8 instead of 13.

Have to rebound better and shoot half way decent or this is going to be a 20 pt loss.

sonny
03-30-2013, 08:55 PM
Picked a fine time to lay a turd.

RiverRat13
03-30-2013, 09:13 PM
Picked a fine time to lay a turd.

I'll steal this from another board:

"Going out in the round of 8 is about right for this team. Going out to WSU is not right."

WVRed
03-30-2013, 09:30 PM
Obviously they aren't going to win if they don't start making shots, but a couple of these calls by the refs have been mind blowingly terrible. Bucks still would have been losing but it could have been 8 instead of 13.

Have to rebound better and shoot half way decent or this is going to be a 20 pt loss.

Kinda ironic since the refs have gotten Ohio State back in it.

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kaldaniels
03-30-2013, 09:33 PM
Frustrating. Craft sitting at 1 for 10 from the floor. If he brings his D game it's tied.

kaldaniels
03-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Well I'm shocked.

traderumor
03-30-2013, 10:21 PM
I'll steal this from another board:

"Going out in the round of 8 is about right for this team. Going out to WSU is not right."
I think that is not fair to Wichita St. They are obviously legit, almost ran out of gas, but that is a very good team, not some wannabe on a hot streak in the NCAA.

And a team rarely survives a bad shooting night in the tourney, but especially in the Regional Finals. The Buckeyes were just one of those teams this year that are very bad on an off night. I was impressed that they got in a position to steal the game.

Hats off to Wichita St. They made a legit run of playing solid, good basketball and knocked off the two highest seeds in their region, not backing into it with upsets ahead of them.

*BaseClogger*
03-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Kinda ironic since the refs have gotten Ohio State back in it.

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There were just some horrific phantom calls going both ways all game. It made the game really difficult to watch for those of us used to the way B1G games are officiated...

Assembly Hall
03-31-2013, 08:54 AM
I think that is not fair to Wichita St. They are obviously legit, almost ran out of gas, but that is a very good team, not some wannabe on a hot streak in the NCAA.

And a team rarely survives a bad shooting night in the tourney, but especially in the Regional Finals. The Buckeyes were just one of those teams this year that are very bad on an off night. I was impressed that they got in a position to steal the game.

Hats off to Wichita St. They made a legit run of playing solid, good basketball and knocked off the two highest seeds in their region, not backing into it with upsets ahead of them.

Very well said indeed.

bucksfan2
03-31-2013, 08:57 PM
There were just some horrific phantom calls going both ways all game. It made the game really difficult to watch for those of us used to the way B1G games are officiated...

Two bad calls against OSU led to 4 points late in the 1st half. Going into half time down 9 as opposed to 13 would have been huge.

A couple of things I took away from the game. They couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. There have been times that OSU has struggled getting the ball in the basket this season. They should have taken it inside more but the reality was they were missing open shots. There were a couple of hurried shots but it wasn't like they were jacking up contested 3 after contested 3.

The second and probably most critical point was Thad. Thad waited to long to coach his butt off. He waited to long to start pulling strings and doing something unconventional. When they are having trouble scoring you can't have Thompson and Smith Jr. on the floor at the same time. The full court press was a nice wrinkle but a stupid press. WSU had too easy of a time getting the ball into play and then they allowed them to bring the ball up the court unguarded. I also didn't like the full out defense they played early in the 2nd. WSU was able to beat that a number of easy baskets when OSU was trying to come back. When the deficit got to 20 Thad really coached his butt off and they almost came back. He made decisions like there was no tomorrow. And his players played like there was a fire lit under them.

Finally in order to pull off an upset you need some luck. In the first half I there were several times where a ball would a take a funny bounce or a loose ball would bounce in the right direction. I don't call it luck, just good fortune. You need those breaks and WSU got those breaks early.

In the end it was a fun season. Ross really came on and will be a joy to watch next season. One more season of watching Craft play, this time along side Scott for most of the season. Its was a kick to the gut to lose in the elite 8 with an awful shooting performance for 30 minutes, but so is the NCAA tournament.

GAC
04-01-2013, 03:28 AM
OSU's last two "nail-biting" last second victories (Iowa State and Arizona) had me thinking in the back of my mind this team wasn't going to advance much further. Losing to WSU wasn't a great surprise to me (really). I hate to say it, but I thought they'd lose to AZ. OSU is in need of another offensive player (back court) IMO.

Michigan looks tough in this tourney. I foresee a Louisville-Michigan NC game... and it ought to be a good one IMO.

Hillsdale87
04-01-2013, 08:14 AM
Is there any indication of what Thomas is thinking for next year? He's currently being mocked early in the second round, so he wouldn't have guaranteed money. If he comes back, OSU is going to be very tough. Even if he doesn't, I think they could still be better than they were this year with Ross just taking his spot in the lineup and expected improvements from guys like Williams, Thompson, Scott, and possibly some guys off the bench.

traderumor
04-01-2013, 11:05 AM
Is there any indication of what Thomas is thinking for next year? He's currently being mocked early in the second round, so he wouldn't have guaranteed money. If he comes back, OSU is going to be very tough. Even if he doesn't, I think they could still be better than they were this year with Ross just taking his spot in the lineup and expected improvements from guys like Williams, Thompson, Scott, and possibly some guys off the bench.
I would love to see Thomas finish it out, but will be very surprised if he does. I'm not sure that he can raise his stock any higher, because I think he is what he is at this stage. They have an offensive minded forward coming in (Loving) and with the others' improvement, as you said, they have a good foundation that should allow them to stay in the top half of the league with or without Thomas. I hope he comes back as a fan, but also understand that is improbable.

bucksfan2
04-01-2013, 11:27 AM
I would love to see Thomas finish it out, but will be very surprised if he does. I'm not sure that he can raise his stock any higher, because I think he is what he is at this stage. They have an offensive minded forward coming in (Loving) and with the others' improvement, as you said, they have a good foundation that should allow them to stay in the top half of the league with or without Thomas. I hope he comes back as a fan, but also understand that is improbable.

I don't expect Thomas to come back. I think at this point I don't know how high he can go. If he is a second round pick this year he may be able to move into the first round. Thomas will get drafted because of his offensive abilities. The question Thomas will have to ask himself is, is being a 2nd rounder this year better than being a 2nd rounder next year with a degree? DT should make a very nice living playing basketball, whether its in the NBA or in Europe.

texasdave
04-05-2013, 03:40 PM
Ohio State junior forward Deshaun Thomas is forgoing his last season and declaring himself eligible for the NBA Draft, reports CBSSports.com.

Thomas averaged 19.8 points and 5.9 rebounds per game this season, led the team to the regional finals in the NCAA Tournament where they lost to Wichita State, and was named a third-time All-American selection.

http://tracking.si.com/2013/04/05/ohio-states-deshaun-thomas-headed-to-the-nba/?sct=hp_t2_a5&eref=sihp

Scrap Irony
04-05-2013, 07:19 PM
I'm shocked Deshaun Thomas isn't mocked higher than the second round.

I'd take him near lottery, as he has range, can handle the ball a bit, and is big enough to cause problems for smaller wings.

Love his game.

texasdave
04-06-2013, 05:52 AM
I read somewhere that this is expected to be the worst draft in 20 years. If so, it is a good decision for him to come out.

dabvu2498
04-06-2013, 10:45 AM
I'm shocked Deshaun Thomas isn't mocked higher than the second round.

I'd take him near lottery, as he has range, can handle the ball a bit, and is big enough to cause problems for smaller wings.

Love his game.

I agree, offensively. Dude is a serious scorer. But I'm not sure who he guards at the next level. I'm not sure he's quick enough to guard a 3 or big/physical enough to guard a 4.