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Benihana
11-14-2012, 01:14 PM
2 years, $26MM. Too rich for Red blood.

M2
11-14-2012, 02:06 PM
2 years, $26MM. Too rich for Red blood.

Yep. Hunter did the smart thing and got his money early, before teams spent it elsewhere. Then again, Hunter's always struck me as a fairly smart guy.

lollipopcurve
11-14-2012, 02:30 PM
Hunter would have been an awesome fit for the Reds. But he could basically write his own ticket. I think he's made a nice choice. Tigers looking real good -- that division may be colonized for awhile.

dougdirt
11-14-2012, 05:31 PM
Hunter would have been an awesome fit for the Reds. But he could basically write his own ticket. I think he's made a nice choice. Tigers looking real good -- that division may be colonized for awhile.

.389 BABIP in 2012 versus a career .307 BABIP. Power down, walks down, strikeouts up in 2012. Huge correction is on the way. I wouldn't have given him anything near that kind of money.

lollipopcurve
11-14-2012, 06:43 PM
.389 BABIP in 2012 versus a career .307 BABIP. Power down, walks down, strikeouts up in 2012. Huge correction is on the way. I wouldn't have given him anything near that kind of money.

A lot of teams were interested. What Hunter brings goes well beyond a couple of hitting stats and beyond what is sure to be a bit of a natural downturn. If you confine your evaluation to BABIP, you'll have a hard time building much of a team.

Tom Servo
11-14-2012, 06:44 PM
It's only a 2 year commitment, so if he flames out it's not like they are stuck with him.

dougdirt
11-14-2012, 06:53 PM
A lot of teams were interested. What Hunter brings goes well beyond a couple of hitting stats and beyond what is sure to be a bit of a natural downturn. If you confine your evaluation to BABIP, you'll have a hard time building much of a team.

My point was, Hunter got paid like a player expected to repeat what he did in 2012 and well, the odds are considerably against him repeating what he did in 2012. If some team wants to pay him based on a fluke season, I will just be glad it wasn't the Reds.

oneupper
11-14-2012, 06:56 PM
My point was, Hunter got paid like a player expected to repeat what he did in 2012 and well, the odds are considerably against him repeating what he did in 2012. If some team wants to pay him based on a fluke season, I will just be glad it wasn't the Reds.

I agree, but they may sign Victorino on the premise that his 2012 season WAS a fluke. Gotta believe in something, I guess.

Rojo
11-14-2012, 07:37 PM
My point was, Hunter got paid like a player expected to repeat what he did in 2012 and well, the odds are considerably against him repeating what he did in 2012. If some team wants to pay him based on a fluke season, I will just be glad it wasn't the Reds.

Post-35 ballplayers often cough up "still got it" seasons. I like Hunter but not at that price.

lollipopcurve
11-14-2012, 07:46 PM
My point was, Hunter got paid like a player expected to repeat what he did in 2012 and well, the odds are considerably against him repeating what he did in 2012.

It's called free agency for players with a hot market. This comes completely as expected.

And, Hunter is getting paid for more than his batting average. Even if his numbers are down, a lot of what he has brought to teams in the past he will bring to the Tigers in 2013. I'm sure they feel sure of that.

PuffyPig
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
A lot of teams were interested. What Hunter brings goes well beyond a couple of hitting stats and beyond what is sure to be a bit of a natural downturn. If you confine your evaluation to BABIP, you'll have a hard time building much of a team.

When a player of Hunter's age gets an increase in K's, a decrease in W's, his ISO goes down for a 3rd consecutive year, and his BABIP is suddenly up 80 points over his career, the initial poster's not cherry picking a meaningless stat.

Hunter will regress next year, the question is how much. He's likely going to have trouble topping a .750 OPS.

lollipopcurve
11-14-2012, 09:15 PM
When a player of Hunter's age gets an increase in K's, a decrease in W's, his ISO goes down for a 3rd consecutive year, and his BABIP is suddenly up 80 points over his career, the initial poster's not cherry picking a meaningless stat.

Hunter will regress next year, the question is how much. He's likely going to have trouble topping a .750 OPS.

My guess is that the Tigers will be happy with Torii Hunter.

dougdirt
11-14-2012, 10:56 PM
My guess is that the Tigers will be happy with Torii Hunter.

Maybe they will be. Doesn't mean they won't have overpaid him drastically for the services rendered.

lollipopcurve
11-15-2012, 08:56 AM
Doesn't mean they won't have overpaid him drastically for the services rendered.

As noted, that's the free agent market.

Rojo
11-15-2012, 01:15 PM
Maybe they will be. Doesn't mean they won't have overpaid him drastically for the services rendered.

Well, they have a window. They overpaid but didn't over extend. Two-year contracts are never back-breakers.

dougdirt
11-15-2012, 01:26 PM
As noted, that's the free agent market.

No, it isn't. The free agent market says 1 win is worth roughly$5M. Hunter isn't likely to provide 5 wins over the next 2 seasons.

Wonderful Monds
11-15-2012, 01:52 PM
No, it isn't. The free agent market says 1 win is worth roughly$5M. Hunter isn't likely to provide 5 wins over the next 2 seasons.

Yeah, but then again, dollar per win is probably the most flawed measurement currently widely used by baseball fans.