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Vottomatic
11-26-2012, 11:56 AM
Let's see how this one goes over with Redszone. Could be interesting.

dougdirt
11-26-2012, 12:00 PM
Billy Hamilton wouldn't be anywhere near enough to land Stanton. You would have to add multiple other legit pieces to get it done. Corcino, Cingrani, Mesoraco and Hamilton might get the conversation rolling.

Vottomatic
11-26-2012, 12:01 PM
Billy Hamilton wouldn't be anywhere near enough to land Stanton. You would have to add multiple other legit pieces to get it done. Corcino, Cingrani, Mesoraco and Hamilton might get the conversation rolling.

I agree it would take more than just Billy. But I disagree it would take all 4 of those guys.

I do think Chapman for Stanton straight up would work though.

Benihana
11-26-2012, 12:07 PM
Can't imagine there will be anything less than 90% in the "Yes" camp on this one.

More relevant question is what else goes with Hamilton. I'd think one of the pitching prospects + another B player could do it.

Remember they just acquired Marisnick so I'd think they'd be more interested in guys like Chapman, Stephenson, and Frazier than they would in Hamilton.

Crumbley
11-26-2012, 12:13 PM
Exciting question mark vs man on HOF pace

Yes, yes, yes.

mattfeet
11-26-2012, 12:23 PM
A million times yes. Id drive Billy down to Miami myself if that's what it took...and I'd leave my car with Loria, too.

Dan
11-26-2012, 12:35 PM
A million times yes. Id drive Billy down to Miami myself if that's what it took...and I'd leave my car with Loria, too.

Drive? Hell, I'd carry Hamilton on my back if that's what it took to get Stanton.

Hamilton + Chapman + Lutz? gets it done.

dougdirt
11-26-2012, 12:41 PM
I agree it would take more than just Billy. But I disagree it would take all 4 of those guys.

I do think Chapman for Stanton straight up would work though.

I have heard rumors through the scouting grapevine. It would take every bit of that to even begin talking.

kaldaniels
11-26-2012, 12:48 PM
I said last year I'd trade 2 Chapmans for Stanton.

I'd trade 3 Hamiltons for Stanton.

cumberlandreds
11-26-2012, 01:11 PM
17 for 17 on the Yes votes. This is an easy question. A better one would be Votto or Bruce for Stanton. That might yield some interesting results.

Benihana
11-26-2012, 01:53 PM
Reports are that Selig would likely veto a Stanton trade after the last boondoggle.

RedsManRick
11-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Stanton is one probably one of the top 5 most valuable trade assets in baseball right now. 3 years of control of a 22 year old.

Consider, through his first 3 seasons, he's basically been just as productive as Ryan Braun was, but he's 3 years younger. There is nobody on the Reds save perhaps Cueto and Latos that I wouldn't trade for Giancarlo Stanton -- and even then I'd think about it.

RedsManRick
11-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Billy Hamilton wouldn't be anywhere near enough to land Stanton. You would have to add multiple other legit pieces to get it done. Corcino, Cingrani, Mesoraco and Hamilton might get the conversation rolling.

I think 3 of the 4 would keep them on the phone. But wouldn't be at all surprised if it took all 4 to get it done.

If I were the Reds, I'd be pitching Chapman and Hamilton for Stanton today.

Vottomatic
11-26-2012, 02:07 PM
I think 3 of the 4 would keep them on the phone. But wouldn't be at all surprised if it took all 4 to get it done.

If I were the Reds, I'd be pitching Chapman and Hamilton for Stanton today.

I'd offer Chapman, Leake, Mez, and Corcino.

REDREAD
11-26-2012, 02:16 PM
Well, I am going to vote yes, even though I was tempted to say no.

No question Stanton is 99.9% more likely to be the more productive player. So from a value point, you can't say no.

Man though, I really want to see Billy sink or swim in Cincinati though. I am more excited about him coming up than any other player ever (even Chapman).
The only one that even comes close in anticipation was Eric Davis (because the team was so bad then and needed a savior desperately)..

RedsManRick
11-26-2012, 02:16 PM
I'd offer Chapman, Leake, Mez, and Corcino.

Now that would be an overpay.

I think we've started to undervalue Leake around here. He's a high quality #4 starter (#3 on some teams). Only 99 pitchers were able/allowed to through 150 IP this year, Leake among them. That's not an insignificant fact.

We sometimes forget the value of simply being a proven, healthy major leaguer. Add in cheap and those don't grown on trees.

I'd LOVE to have Stanton, but we can't simply ignore the downside risk too. Sure, he could be a perennial MVP candidate. But what if he's just a 4 WIN player for the next 3 years?

Mes is more valuable than Billy Hamilton (I would argue). No way do I add Leake and Corcino to my Chapman/Hamilton offer.

bucksfan2
11-26-2012, 02:53 PM
I voted no, so far I am the only one. Would I trade Hamilton straight up for Stanton, absolutely. But the reality is that will never happen. It would take a monster deal, and from reports Bud Selig may have a say so into whether or not the trade goes down. If the Reds were going to even entertain a Stanton trade it would take Hamilton, Leake, Corcino/Cingrani +. You trade from strength, but at what point do they decimate the farm system.

The Latos deal last year made sense, they traded prospects at blocked positions. If they were to make another blockbuster for Stanton they would in essence gut the system, the life blood of any non major market team.

kaldaniels
11-26-2012, 03:12 PM
I voted no, so far I am the only one. Would I trade Hamilton straight up for Stanton, absolutely. But the reality is that will never happen. It would take a monster deal, and from reports Bud Selig may have a say so into whether or not the trade goes down. If the Reds were going to even entertain a Stanton trade it would take Hamilton, Leake, Corcino/Cingrani +. You trade from strength, but at what point do they decimate the farm system.

The Latos deal last year made sense, they traded prospects at blocked positions. If they were to make another blockbuster for Stanton they would in essence gut the system, the life blood of any non major market team.

If you would do the trade shouldn't you vote yes?

I think "Do we live on planet Earth?" would fail to reach a unanimous consensus on here.

bucksfan2
11-26-2012, 04:02 PM
If you would do the trade shouldn't you vote yes?

I think "Do we live on planet Earth?" would fail to reach a unanimous consensus on here.

Trading Billy Hamilton straight up for Stanton isn't going to happen on this "plant Earth" you say we live on.

kaldaniels
11-26-2012, 04:14 PM
Trading Billy Hamilton straight up for Stanton isn't going to happen on this "plant Earth" you say we live on.

I just don't understand why you would agree to the trade but voted no.

CySeymour
11-26-2012, 05:04 PM
I do think Chapman for Stanton straight up would work though.

Not even close. No way Miami would even have to consider that trade.

RedEye
11-26-2012, 05:14 PM
Reports are that Selig would likely veto a Stanton trade after the last boondoggle.

Reports from where? Do you really think he'd veto a trade out-of-hand based on another deal? Doesn't seem logical -- though I realize who we're dealing with here.

RedEye
11-26-2012, 05:16 PM
I voted no, so far I am the only one. Would I trade Hamilton straight up for Stanton, absolutely. But the reality is that will never happen.

I don't understand this one iota. The question is not "Would a Stanton for Hamilton trade ever happen?" It's "Would you trade Hamilton for Stanton?" So by that rationale, you are also a "Yes" voter, right?

Reds/Flyers Fan
11-26-2012, 05:56 PM
I voted no, so far I am the only one. Would I trade Hamilton straight up for Stanton, absolutely. But the reality is that will never happen.

Huh? :dunno:

bucksfan2
11-27-2012, 01:17 PM
I don't understand this one iota. The question is not "Would a Stanton for Hamilton trade ever happen?" It's "Would you trade Hamilton for Stanton?" So by that rationale, you are also a "Yes" voter, right?

Because in no reality is it going to happen. Its like the 700 sports talk caller suggesting that the Reds trade Mike Leake for Mike Trout. If I am fantasizing about trades I at least like to operate in the realm of possibility.

RedEye
11-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Because in no reality is it going to happen. Its like the 700 sports talk caller suggesting that the Reds trade Mike Leake for Mike Trout. If I am fantasizing about trades I at least like to operate in the realm of possibility.

Dude. With due respect, please read my post. You may be right, but you are missing the point. The PREMISE of this poll is that there IS a reality in which this DOES exist. It is a "Would you..." question and not a "Would this ever happen..." question -- which would be another poll entirely. Voting "no" just registers you as someone who would not, in any reality, trade Hamilton for Stanton. It skews the poll, which is intended as an opinion poll on a Yes-No question. It's like a poll on whether or not people like cupcakes, yes or no. If you'd rather eat licorice, that's great -- it may be healthier or whatever -- but it isn't what the poll is about!