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joe51391
11-27-2012, 01:52 AM
First off, Old Red Guard come up with your own thoughts. I like some players that the Royals have and this is a team that has alot of good young players but they are light on pitching so I would like to see a deal like this.

Reds get W. Myers, T. Collins, S. Perez and M. Moustakas

Royals get H. Bailey, D. Mesoraco, L. Ondrusek, D. Stubbs Y. Rodriguez, S. Buckley and K. Lotzkar

Reds will like it mostly because they get rid of Stubbs but seriously they get a guy who can man 3rd and hit LH for a long time a RH LFer with pure power who should be ready mid to late year a good young catcher and a LH pitcher for the pen.

Royals like it because they get a good young cheap pitcher who is coming into his own. A catcher who can benifit from playing more often with a lot of promise. A dependable arm out of the pen. A throw in OF who needs a new place to play. And another SP, 3B and OF prospect who will help them later on.

Starters are
Latos
Cueto
Arroyo
Chapman
Leake/Cingrani

Bullpen
Broxton
Marshall
Masset
Arredondo
Collins
Lecure
Hoover/Simon/Redmond

Lineup
CF someone new
2b Phillips
1b Votto
LF Frazier
RF Bruce
3b Moustakas
SS Cozart/Gregorius
C Hanigan/Perez

Bench
Cozart/Gregorius
Hanigan/Perez
Heisey
Paul
Rodriguez

I would like to see a trade for a CF we could get for a year and let walk maybe a C. Crisp would be a good option. Could probley get him for 2 B prospects.

HometownHero
11-27-2012, 03:46 AM
KC would LOL then hang up and call all the other GM's so they could LOL at Walt too.

improbus
11-27-2012, 05:39 AM
KC would LOL then hang up and call all the other GM's so they could LOL at Walt too.

Correct.

[deleted]
11-27-2012, 04:17 PM
This could be the most absurd trade proposal I've ever seen on this board.

Which, you know, come on... means something.

Salukifan2
11-27-2012, 05:23 PM
You say they want pitching bad, yet you only give them homer, a middle reliever and a no name prospect. Wil Myers had the most prolific offensive season in the minors last year. IF you want him you better be offering Latos and then a couple good minor league pitchers.

Also, if their pitching is so thin why would they be interested in dealing a good young lefty like collins?

joe51391
11-27-2012, 05:58 PM
Then take out Collins and Lotzkar and add Corcino does that make it more realistic

HometownHero
11-27-2012, 06:25 PM
Then take out Collins and Lotzkar and add Corcino does that make it more realistic

No, they aren't moving 3 high upside position players who aren't making money. Salvador Perez is 22 hitting .311 over his first 437 AB with nice defense and is under control until 2019 while the others are all not even arbitration eligible.

They may be willing to move Myers for a SP and a outfielder like in the news reports indicate but they aren't dealing the other 3 or even 2 of them for our or any other teams secondary prospects and/or older players.

mikemo14
11-27-2012, 06:40 PM
I think Homer may have a little more value than some suggest. Not saying Bailey for Myers would ever happen, but Bailey and Stubbs might. Myers is a top prospect, but still a prospect, hasn't proved anything at the major league level.

Salukifan2
11-27-2012, 06:44 PM
I think Homer may have a little more value than some suggest. Not saying Bailey for Myers would ever happen, but Bailey and Stubbs might. Myers is a top prospect, but still a prospect, hasn't proved anything at the major league level.

Neither has stubs haha

MoneyInTheBank
11-27-2012, 07:12 PM
Then take out Collins and Lotzkar and add Corcino does that make it more realistic

Just some words of advice when trying to make up realistic fake trade proposals...

Teams rarely, if ever, trade productive players who have yet to reach arbitration unless there is a stud player coming back to them. These players are extremely valuable. In the case of Moustakas or Perez, you would pay $10M or more each on the open market and Collins would demand $4-5M for their production and they get them for 500k each.

Teams rarely, if ever, trade the minor league player of the year without a stud player coming back to them.

Your proposal above has 4 of the aforementioned productive pre-arbitration players and/or top prospects. That's the kind of package a team may put together for Joey Votto. Not for a package of B level prospects, a middle of the rotation starter and a good catching prospect.

Hondo
11-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Well, Wil Myers is being shopped for Pitching and the Reds should trade them anyone but Cueto, Latos, Chapman for him...

The Royals have been looking at John Lester but the Red Sox will not trade Lester for Myers...

Now, the Rays might give up Shields for Myers... That's a good deal...

But I do know that the Royals are shopping Moustakas and the Reds should definately look at adding him... This guy could be a 40 HR Hitter... I know I know I know he bats Left Handed but if the Reds could trade Leake for Moustakas... I mean, damn... that's a good trade.

Anyhow... If Myers is available... He's a .300-30-100 guy waiting to explode... The Reds should look at this opportunity. Adding 2 blue chip hitters for some excess pitching...

I think Leake for Moustakas is an even trade. IMHO.

drowg14
11-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Well, Wil Myers is being shopped for Pitching and the Reds should trade them anyone but Cueto, Latos, Chapman for him...

The Royals have been looking at John Lester but the Red Sox will not trade Lester for Myers...

Now, the Rays might give up Shields for Myers... That's a good deal...

But I do know that the Royals are shopping Moustakas and the Reds should definately look at adding him... This guy could be a 40 HR Hitter... I know I know I know he bats Left Handed but if the Reds could trade Leake for Moustakas... I mean, damn... that's a good trade.

Anyhow... If Myers is available... He's a .300-30-100 guy waiting to explode... The Reds should look at this opportunity. Adding 2 blue chip hitters for some excess pitching...

I think Leake for Moustakas is an even trade. IMHO.

I really don't think the Reds could get them for "excess pitching." If we were able to get one or both of Myers/Mous, it would take pitching prospects, which I would not consider to be "excess." I'm not saying Walt shouldn't try, just that it would potentially effect future rotations.

Salukifan2
11-27-2012, 08:33 PM
If the Royals want pitching that bad they should just call their I-70 rival.

[deleted]
11-27-2012, 11:04 PM
I do really like Moustakas. I think you'd be looking at Bailey + Corcino/Cingrani to land him though.

drowg14
11-28-2012, 12:28 AM
;2780720']I do really like Moustakas. I think you'd be looking at Bailey + Corcino/Cingrani to land him though.

This is probably along the lines of what it would take, or at least it would get Walt's foot in the door. I doubt it would take any less. And as good as I think Mous is/will be, I'm not sure I would pull the trigger. I think Bailey has finally turned a corner, and will be a solid 2/3 for his career. And from what I hear, Corcino is pretty solid as well. I wouldn't care as much about Cingrani as I expect him to be a bullpen arm, but it's still nice to have good, cheap back of the pen guys. And right now, I care more about keeping the pitching staff intact, and near the best in the league.

OGB
11-28-2012, 12:36 AM
I hear the Reds are discussing Chris Heisey, Jose Arredondo and a few pairs of sanitary socks for Mike Trout.
Fingers crossed.

Hondo
11-28-2012, 07:45 PM
;2780720']I do really like Moustakas. I think you'd be looking at Bailey + Corcino/Cingrani to land him though.

No offense but there is no way it would take that to get Moustakas... He's high on potential but he hit .242-20-73 last year so IMHO Leake could get him... Corcino might have to be included but no way you'd trade Homer Bailey for him. I wouldn't trade Homer Bailey for him...

In fact, I wouldn't trade Cingrani for him straight up.

HometownHero
11-28-2012, 09:56 PM
No offense but there is no way it would take that to get Moustakas... He's high on potential but he hit .242-20-73 last year so IMHO Leake could get him... Corcino might have to be included but no way you'd trade Homer Bailey for him. I wouldn't trade Homer Bailey for him...

In fact, I wouldn't trade Cingrani for him straight up.

Moustakas was 23 and rushed to the show. That line can easy spike quick as he gets his game fully polished at the big league level. He had a line of .270/.325/.478/.803 when he topped his PA from the previous MLB season 89 then hit under .200 his last 60 games. Surviving that first 162 game grind is hard for young players and they often hit the wall much like Todd did this year. Those factors along with his age, contract and pedigree keep his value far higher than Leake.

Salukifan2
11-29-2012, 03:08 PM
After thinking about Wil Myers objectively, and if the Royals are really shopping him, the cardinals really make alot of sense as the the team that could make a run at him. If the roayls really want major league ready or near ready pitching then the cards are a good match. Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly, Jon Jay and maybe someone like Tyrell Jenkins could get the conversation started.

Pittsburgh and seattle could also be good suitors. All speculation of course.

HometownHero
11-29-2012, 03:23 PM
After thinking about Wil Myers objectively, and if the Royals are really shopping him, the cardinals really make alot of sense as the the team that could make a run at him. If the roayls really want major league ready or near ready pitching then the cards are a good match. Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly, Jon Jay and maybe someone like Tyrell Jenkins could get the conversation started.

Pittsburgh and seattle could also be good suitors. All speculation of course.

The Cards don't need another OF and wouldn't move the SP for one, if they moved SP they would go get a long term SS solution.

Salukifan2
11-29-2012, 03:28 PM
i totally agree but at the same time its Wil Myers. There isn't a team in the MLB that doesn't covet that kind of talent. And if the cards did pull off that move it would solidify Allen Craig at first base for the future allowing the Cards to put Matt Adams in a deal for Andrus or Asdrubal cabrera if they were so inclined.

HometownHero
11-29-2012, 03:38 PM
i totally agree but at the same time its Wil Myers. There isn't a team in the MLB that doesn't covet that kind of talent. And if the cards did pull off that move it would solidify Allen Craig at first base for the future allowing the Cards to put Matt Adams in a deal for Andrus or Asdrubal cabrera if they were so inclined.

Matt Adams isn't going to get you those SS he would need to be the 2nd or 3rd player and if they moved SP to get Myers they aren't going to add prospects to add those names. The Cards are the most paranoid team about moving prospects these days so I would be shocked if they moved anyone but 2nd tier guys for a LHP out of the pen.

Salukifan2
11-29-2012, 03:48 PM
i agree that they are too conservative with dealing prospects. But they just have such a road block of not just right handed starters but all Power right handed starters. only three of which should be fairly untouchable.

All im hearing is talks of them going to get james Shields or Jon Lester. Lester has been average the last two seasons and i doubt making the move to Kansas City is going to get him really psyched for next season. and James Shields is already 30 and has shown in the past he is very capable of having an era in the 5's.

If they were going after king Felix or Kershaw that would be one thing but those two aren't worth it in my eyes.