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Vottomatic
11-27-2012, 04:15 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/angels-ryan-madson-nearing-deal.html

I wish the Reds could have done something like that. It will be interesting to see how much.

REDREAD
11-27-2012, 04:51 PM
I'd really prefer Broxton. Hopefully we can get him signed.

Let the Angels rehab Madson, we need more of a sure thing.
I never thought Madson's price would fall to the level where it would be attractive for the Reds to bring him back next year (for me, that level would probably be a max of 2-3 million)

camisadelgolf
11-27-2012, 05:22 PM
It's official. Madson's an Angel.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/angels-sign-ryan-madson-to-one-year-deal/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Joseph
11-27-2012, 05:52 PM
There's no logical reason for feeling this way, but I always get bothered when we pay a guy and get nothing out of him. Its business, he owes us nothing as an organization or to the fans, but somehow it always 'hurts my feelings' somehow.

Illogical, but I think the love of sport is illogical by nature so whats one more affront to sanity?

Good luck Ryan, we hardly knew ya.

Tom Servo
11-27-2012, 05:57 PM
There's no logical reason for feeling this way, but I always get bothered when we pay a guy and get nothing out of him. Its business, he owes us nothing as an organization or to the fans, but somehow it always 'hurts my feelings' somehow.
Same here.

RedsManRick
11-27-2012, 06:13 PM
There's no logical reason for feeling this way, but I always get bothered when we pay a guy and get nothing out of him. Its business, he owes us nothing as an organization or to the fans, but somehow it always 'hurts my feelings' somehow.

Illogical, but I think the love of sport is illogical by nature so whats one more affront to sanity?

Good luck Ryan, we hardly knew ya.

Agreed. The risk runs both ways and everybody knows what the risks are. Still feels like we got gypped.

Gallen5862
11-27-2012, 06:54 PM
I felt the same way. Thats why I wanted the Reds to tender the offer to get a first round comp pick for him leaving.

klw
11-27-2012, 07:25 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-im_CKn9PPI8/T0dtSJ0lUFI/AAAAAAAAAzY/0vIyQ9SYpt4/s200/abe-simpson-gif.gif

Seeing Madson lives not far from Anaheim and used the Angels medical staff during his rehab, I am not shocked he is signing with them.

Matt700wlw
11-27-2012, 07:44 PM
I'd really prefer Broxton. Hopefully we can get him signed.


They will.

cumberlandreds
11-27-2012, 07:46 PM
So the Reds paid Madson to be injured for a season. Oh well, that's the risks you take.

Matt700wlw
11-27-2012, 07:48 PM
So the Reds paid Madson to be injured for a season. Oh well, that's the risks you take.

Sometimes good moves don't work out. Good luck to him.

PuffyPig
11-27-2012, 08:31 PM
I felt the same way. Thats why I wanted the Reds to tender the offer to get a first round comp pick for him leaving.

We would have never gotten the pick, though we would have had to pay him $13.3 M to rehab him for half a season.

Wonderful Monds
11-27-2012, 08:41 PM
There's no logical reason for feeling this way, but I always get bothered when we pay a guy and get nothing out of him. Its business, he owes us nothing as an organization or to the fans, but somehow it always 'hurts my feelings' somehow.

Illogical, but I think the love of sport is illogical by nature so whats one more affront to sanity?

Good luck Ryan, we hardly knew ya.

Same, but mostly because its always cool to have the best players choose to come to the Reds. Madson was a huge longshot to sign with us, so after Reds fans got the surprising gift of this top billed closer deciding to play for us, it was disappointing that he was never able to take the field in the Reds uniform.

GADawg
11-27-2012, 09:13 PM
Ludwick bothers me even more for some reason even though his situation is "just business" as well. I would've declined the option like he did but still the way the guy struggled early last season and the way Jocketty, Baker, and the Reds stuck with him and helped his resurrect his career it just seems like there would be a little pay back.

camisadelgolf
11-27-2012, 10:12 PM
What bothers me even more than Ludwick not showing more gratitude is the team owners making hundreds of millions off people abusing their bodies on a daily basis just to make fractions of that.

GADawg
11-27-2012, 10:32 PM
What bothers me even more than Ludwick not showing more gratitude is the team owners making hundreds of millions off people abusing their bodies on a daily basis just to make fractions of that.

doesn't bother me....these guys are paid well and the owners own...good for them. I drive a fed ex truck every day for 9 to 12 hours and climb my big butt in and out of there about 120 or so times tugging and lifting on boxes up to 175 lbs. Can't help but wonder who is more tired at the end of every night...me or Ludwick. sorry didn't mean to rant.

RedlegJake
11-28-2012, 11:12 AM
What bothers me even more than Ludwick not showing more gratitude is the team owners making hundreds of millions off people abusing their bodies on a daily basis just to make fractions of that.

I get it but for me the point where I sympathized overtly with players vs mgmnt was over long ago. The argument is specious anyway. Any biz makes fortunes off its real producers while keeping the rewards as workers/producers as minimal as their particular market allows. Ballplayers "injustice" in the MLB market gets a zero from me.

klw
11-28-2012, 02:40 PM
Details of deal
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/angels-to-sign-ryan-madson.html


WEDNESDAY: The deal is expected to be worth $3.5MM in guaranteed money, plus $2.5MM in roster bonuses and $1MM in incentives for games finished, Yahoo's Tim Brown writes (Twitter link). Madson passed his physical, Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times reports (on Twitter).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/angels-to-sign-ryan-madson.html#GHmosPdkbJHrBDap.99

NebraskaRed
06-12-2013, 10:16 AM
Madson thinks PED's are his only hope.


"If HGH were legal," Madson said, "just in the process of healing, under a doctor's recommendation, in the right dosage, while you're on the [disabled list], I don't think that's such a bad idea -- as long as it doesn't have any lasting side effects, negative side effects."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130611&content_id=50329972&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Tommyjohn25
06-12-2013, 02:25 PM
Man. I always liked Madson. It's a shame how his career has seemingly come to such a sudden halt.

edabbs44
06-12-2013, 03:35 PM
Madson thinks PED's are his only hope.

Quote:
"If HGH were legal," Madson said, "just in the process of healing, under a doctor's recommendation, in the right dosage, while you're on the [disabled list], I don't think that's such a bad idea -- as long as it doesn't have any lasting side effects, negative side effects."


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130611&content_id=50329972&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

If they were legal and had no long term negative side effects, I would imagine you wouldn't be the only person taking them.

cinreds21
08-05-2013, 11:22 PM
Released by the Angels.

Gallen5862
08-05-2013, 11:29 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Angels Release Ryan Madson

By Charlie Wilmoth [August 5 at 9:16pm CST]

The Angels have released reliever Ryan Madson, MLB.com's Alden Gonzalez reports (on Twitter). Madson signed a one-year, $3.5MM deal with the Angels last November to bolster what turned out to be a weak bullpen. But the investment hasn't paid dividends, since Madson hasn't pitched in the Majors since 2011 -- he spent all of 2012 recovering from Tommy John surgery, and has not yet returned to pitch in 2013, except in one May rehab appearance with Class A+ Inland Empire. Madson threw bullpen sessions in Arizona last month.

Madson has a 3.59 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9 in 630 career innings pitched. He posted a 2.37 ERA with 9.2 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 in 2011 with the Phillies.

RedEye
08-05-2013, 11:44 PM
Really bad run of luck for the guy over the last few years. Missed out on a top FA deal due to the numbers game, then signed below market with the Reds only to blow out his arm, and now this. Gotta feel for him.

JaxRed
08-06-2013, 12:48 AM
He also missed out on the FA contract because he had Boras trying to get an extravagant contract. 4 years 44 million. It was close and eventually Phillies decided if they were going spend that much, why not get Papelbon.

Had Boras said 4 years 30 million, Madson would have been sitting pretty. As it was he made 11.5 million in 2 years.

Wonderful Monds
08-06-2013, 01:13 AM
He also missed out on the FA contract because he had Boras trying to get an extravagant contract. 4 years 44 million. It was close and eventually Phillies decided if they were going spend that much, why not get Papelbon.

Had Boras said 4 years 30 million, Madson would have been sitting pretty. As it was he made 11.5 million in 2 years.

No wonder why players have been flocking away from Boras to other agents in recent years.

And why it's not a lock Choo has to leave after this year.

kaldaniels
08-06-2013, 01:23 AM
No wonder why players have been flocking away from Boras to other agents in recent years.

And why it's not a lock Choo has to leave after this year.

It's no lock, but if Choo is allowed to dip his toe in the FA waters after the next 2 months of baseball, the Reds will not be able to compete.

RedTeamGo!
08-06-2013, 09:22 AM
Choo is going to choo choo choose a big contract with a large market team.