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Benihana
12-06-2012, 01:21 PM
This hasn't been done in a while. I'm sure there will be a fair amount to debate. Just off the top of my head:

AAA
C M.Fleury
1B N.Soto
2B B.Greene or C.Puckett
SS D.Gregorius (or K.Negron if DiDi is in Cincy)
3B H.Rodriguez
RF R.LaMarre
CF B.Hamilton
LF D.Phipps or J.Fellhauer

SP1 T.Cingrani
SP2 D.Corcino
SP3 T.Redmond

AA
C T.Barnhart
1B D.Lutz?
2B D.Lohman
SS M.Gilmartin?
3B D.Vidal
LF J.Duran (or Lutz if they really think he can play OF)
CF T.Bowe
RF S.Selsky or B.Smith

SP1 K.Lotzkar
SP2 C.Rogers
SP3 T.Crabbe

A+
C ???
1B S.Buckley
2B R.Wright
SS J.Perez
3B S.Mejias-Brean
LF J.Silva
CF Y.Rodriguez
RF K.Waldrop

SP1 R.Stephenson
SP2 I.Guillon
SP3 J.Allen

A
C J.Hudson
1B C.Sanchez
2B B.Dailey
SS Z.Vincej
3B G.Rosa/T.Rahier (other one starting in Billings)
LF J.Winker
CF R.Amaral
RF J.Gelalich

SP1 D.Langfield
SP2 D.Cisco
SP3 A.Garrett or S.Romano (or possibly N.Travieso?)

Benihana
12-06-2012, 03:21 PM
Nothing on this? So I guess it's settled...

cinreds21
12-06-2012, 03:47 PM
Gotta think they'll sign a catcher and he'll be Louisville's starter. One thing I have noticed is that they have a starting pitcher hole in Louisville after Cingrani and Corcino.

batsfan
12-06-2012, 04:15 PM
Gotta think they'll sign a catcher and he'll be Louisville's starter. One thing I have noticed is that they have a starting pitcher hole in Louisville after Cingrani and Corcino.

They already signed a catcher, Nevin Ashley, but hopefully they will sign Corky for another year as well...

I think the Bats should have a solid rotation

Cingrani
Corcino
Redmond
Villarreal
Free Agent

Gallen5862
12-06-2012, 04:18 PM
Where does Ryan Dennick slot in at?

Benihana
12-06-2012, 04:28 PM
Where does Ryan Dennick slot in at?

Bullpen somewhere

*BaseClogger*
12-06-2012, 06:48 PM
Any chance they try Lotzkar at AAA? And I'd love an opportunity to see Stephenson pitch (which means he would have to start in Dayton)...

dougdirt
12-06-2012, 06:59 PM
No chance that Garrett is in Dayton to start the year. He won't even be done with basketball until at least the middle of March. I don't know exactly how that works with him and school and his classes after that.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Stephenson back in Dayton to begin the year.

Scrap Irony
12-06-2012, 10:20 PM
Assuming no deals, the Reds have some interesting guys in Louisville. Soto, Gregorius, and Rodriguez are young and likely to improve a great deal on pedestrian numbers from last season. All could blossom into Top 100 prospects by the end of the season. Phipps, Perez, Puckett, Redmond, and Villareal are all solid AAA depth. Hamilton, Corcino, and Cingrani will provide the mega-watt superstar prospect glitter.

The only weakness of the team looks to be relief pitching-- and Crabbe and perhaps Ravin could fix that.

_Sir_Charles_
12-07-2012, 09:44 AM
Gotta think they'll sign a catcher and he'll be Louisville's starter. One thing I have noticed is that they have a starting pitcher hole in Louisville after Cingrani and Corcino.

Redmond and Leake will probably be there I think.

corkedbat
12-07-2012, 10:26 AM
Redmond and Leake will probably be there I think.

Chapman might be there (probably not though).

Scrap Irony
12-07-2012, 11:07 AM
Redmond and Leake will probably be there I think.

Redmond, yes.

Leake, absolutely no chance. He'll get dealt or become a long reliever if he's not a part of the rotation.

klw
12-07-2012, 11:28 AM
Wouldn't surprise me to see Stephenson back in Dayton to begin the year.

Stephenson didn't have that much time in Dayton last year. I could see him starting there as well. Any chance he does half season at Dayton then goes to AA and skips Bakersfield if he dominates A?

Benihana
12-07-2012, 12:37 PM
One interesting thing when you take a look at the whole organization is that there is a MASSIVE dropoff after the top 5 prospects (Hamilton, Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino, and Gregorius). It's almost like they are the only five that really matter in the entire system.

It is hard for me to decide who would be #6. Winker maybe? Travieso possibly? Lotzkar if he can ever stay healthy? I guess that's what we'll find out this season- who is the next generation of Reds Top Prospects (other than Stephenson) after 2013, when the other four will graduate to the bigs.

Benihana
12-07-2012, 12:45 PM
Not trying to be a hater, but do we really need 7 stickies in this forum right now?

dougdirt
12-07-2012, 01:22 PM
Stephenson didn't have that much time in Dayton last year. I could see him starting there as well. Any chance he does half season at Dayton then goes to AA and skips Bakersfield if he dominates A?

I would start him in Dayton and go to Bakersfield once he puts in some more time with the Dragons (all assuming he doesn't go out in spring training and show improved control, then I would just start him in Bakersfield). I can't see a scenario where he skips Bakersfield unless he remains in Dayton all season then begins there in 2014.

Scrap Irony
12-07-2012, 02:12 PM
One interesting thing when you take a look at the whole organization is that there is a MASSIVE dropoff after the top 5 prospects (Hamilton, Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino, and Gregorius). It's almost like they are the only five that really matter in the entire system.

It is hard for me to decide who would be #6. Winker maybe? Travieso possibly? Lotzkar if he can ever stay healthy? I guess that's what we'll find out this season- who is the next generation of Reds Top Prospects (other than Stephenson) after 2013, when the other four will graduate to the bigs.

I'd argue that Winker is every bit the prospect Corcino, Cingrani, and Gregorius are. He walks as much as he Ks, played very well in an advanced league, and showed some pretty massive power improvement as the year went on.

.338/ .443/ .500/ .943 as an 18-year-old and the seventh-youngest player in the Pioneer League? Yes, please. His pedigree is outstanding as well, fwiw, as are his scouting reports:


Reds prospect Jesse Winker is a solid hitting prospect who's already showing an advanced ability to work an at-bat, with power enough to line-drive anything to any field on command. He has a little pull power, but that's probably something the Reds would rather he forgot about: he's a top-to-middle of order bat who should be an on-base threat. Defensively, he's competent in the outfield or a corner infield spot, but he won't win any gold gloves.

There are a bunch of other guys behind those six, however. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

dougdirt
12-07-2012, 02:16 PM
Personally I have a Top 7 that are kind of grouped together (all guys I would consider Top 100 prospect worthy, even if they don't all make such a list). After that I think there is a rather big drop off to the next group of about 10 guys who are all bunched together.

Benihana
12-07-2012, 03:52 PM
I like Winker a lot and he'd be my pick for the next guy on the list.

I just think that it may be premature to list someone who has yet to have an AB in a full season league that high, especially when he wasn't a consensus first round pick in his draft. If he hits in Dayton like he did in Billings, even for the first month or two, he'll be there IMO. It's just a little too early for me is all I'm saying.

Scrap Irony
12-07-2012, 04:01 PM
If Winker hits in Dayton like he hit in Billings, he'll be a top 20 pick among all prospects in baseball. His perephials aren't just good-- they're outstanding. Add that to his youth and league.

Benihana
12-07-2012, 04:05 PM
If Winker hits in Dayton like he hit in Billings, he'll be a top 20 pick among all prospects in baseball. His perephials aren't just good-- they're outstanding. Add that to his youth and league.

Agreed. He and Stephenson would become the Bruce and Bailey of the next decade of prospects.

dougdirt
12-07-2012, 11:56 PM
I like Winker a lot and he'd be my pick for the next guy on the list.

I just think that it may be premature to list someone who has yet to have an AB in a full season league that high, especially when he wasn't a consensus first round pick in his draft. If he hits in Dayton like he did in Billings, even for the first month or two, he'll be there IMO. It's just a little too early for me is all I'm saying.

Corner outfielder who is a top five prospect in his league from BA that isn't just tools? I am sold.

redsof72
12-08-2012, 12:43 PM
Things can change, but going into s.t., Stephenson and Guillon more likely to Dayton. Join Langfield, Cisco, Romano in rotation. Mejias-Brean to Dayton. One of the UCLA outfielders could go to Bakersfield with Pigott in Dayton. Duran to BAK too. Wright moved to third in instructs, projects better there if he can make the switch longterm. Buckley to LF in instructs but will go back to 1B for now due to overload in OF at BAK.

And that looks like a powerhouse in Dayton on paper.

Benihana
12-08-2012, 12:57 PM
Things can change, but going into s.t., Stephenson and Guillon more likely to Dayton. Join Langfield, Cisco, Romano in rotation. Mejias-Brean to Dayton. One of the UCLA outfielders could go to Bakersfield with Pigott in Dayton. Duran to BAK too. Wright moved to third in instructs, projects better there if he can make the switch longterm. Buckley to LF in instructs but will go back to 1B for now due to overload in OF at BAK.

And that looks like a powerhouse in Dayton on paper.

So with that rotation and Mejias-Brean headed to Dayton as of now, do Rosa, Rahier, Travieso and Garrett all start in Billings? It seems like 3B is pretty stacked top-to-bottom in the org, with Frazier, H-Rod, Vidal, Wright, Mejias-Brean, Rahier and Rosa. Seems like something's gotta give especially in the lower minors. Maybe Rosa moves to the OF?

Also, it seems like BAK has a really crowded OF. Any chance Yorman or Waldrop jump to Pensacola? If not what else gives? Maybe Silva? Also wondering who will pitch for Bakersfield. Allen, Mugarian, Johnson maybe?

Finally, shouldn't Duran be moving to 1B at some point?

redsof72
12-08-2012, 01:12 PM
Moscot in BAK, good prospect. Silva would be the fourth OF. Duran would never put in the hours to become an acceptable first baseman. He is a DH all the way as a projection. I don't see any of those guys skipping BAK.

All those guys in Billings. Rosa moves, yes. I am told he is pretty poor at 3B, comparisons to Arias. They like Rahier there.

If SMB does end up in BAK, Rosa becomes Dayton 3B. Drop off there is enormous. Bigger than enormous.

lollipopcurve
12-08-2012, 01:52 PM
And that looks like a powerhouse in Dayton on paper.

Indeed it does. I hope they're able to put together another winning group down there.

72, hear any buzz about any of the kids who were with the AZL team last summer? Reynoso? Rachal? Peterson?

Benihana
12-08-2012, 02:09 PM
Moscot in BAK, good prospect. Silva would be the fourth OF. Duran would never put in the hours to become an acceptable first baseman. He is a DH all the way as a projection. I don't see any of those guys skipping BAK.

All those guys in Billings. Rosa moves, yes. I am told he is pretty poor at 3B, comparisons to Arias. They like Rahier there.

If SMB does end up in BAK, Rosa becomes Dayton 3B. Drop off there is enormous. Bigger than enormous.

Interesting that Moscot starts there over Langfield and Guillon. Do you see Langfield as a starter?

Where do you think Rosa moves- RF? CF? 1B? Thx

Scrap Irony
12-08-2012, 02:10 PM
Dayton's lineup:
Amaral CF
Vincej SS
Winker RF/LF
Mejias-Brean 3B
Sanchez 1B
Pigott LF/RF
Gonzalez/ O'Shea C
Dailey/ Wren 2B

Rotation:
Stephenson
Guillion
Langfield
Romano
Cisco

That's 10 prospects who'll rank somewhere in the Top 50 Reds.

lollipopcurve
12-08-2012, 02:18 PM
Gonzalez/ O'Shea C

Gonzalez won't repeat Dayton. Maybe Hudson will be in Dayton -- supposedly his defense is quite good.

redsof72
12-08-2012, 03:07 PM
Yes, Hudson in Dayton. As I say every year, don't bet the mortgage on any of this. There are always changes due to injuries and various domino effects. No one saw Bryson Smith jumping Dayton last year until the final few days of spring training. In this case, some of these players, such as Mejias-Brean, might be initially thought of for one club but with the door open to go to another. This is in contrast to a situation like Stephenson last year when I was saying there was no way Stephenson was starting in Dayton because I knew that was not even being considered.

Robert Ramirez is a guy they like a little and he might be in that 2B mix too. Dailey was looked at as a catcher in instructs...they are trying to find a spot for him because he has some potential as a hitter but has not shown enough in the field. I think he is in the second base mix.

Moscot-Langfield...both a solid prospects. Moscot, a west coast guy, might just be a bit more polished at this point.

Have heard a little about Reynoso. Not sure about the other AZL guys. One thing to keep in mind on some of those guys: There just are not a lot of people who have seen them play when all they have done is go through a half season in the AZL. I have not bumped into a lot of people who have seen those guys play yet.

I am looking forward to seeing this Vincej play a little. I hear he can really pick it and he hit last year. Remember, he was the national shortstop of the year (Brooks Wallace Award) at Pepperdine.

Another player that could work into the Dayton picture is Adam Matthews out of South Carolina.

Reds are short on catching with some clubs right now. I posted on another thread I thought they might try to find a catcher in the minor league Rule V.

camisadelgolf
12-08-2012, 03:11 PM
As far as infield prospects go, I might be more excited about Brent Peterson than Zach Vincej. Vincej is certainly more polished right now though.

redsof72
12-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Yes, maybe. I look at it differently from you though as I am as much of a Dayton fan as I am a Reds fan.

camisadelgolf
12-08-2012, 03:19 PM
Yes, maybe. I look at it differently from you though as I am as much of a Dayton fan as I am a Reds fan.
I expect to see the best Dragons squad in years. There might be a couple questions about the bullpen, but the rotation and everyday lineup should be something to get excited about. Speaking of infield prospects, Ty Washington has some flair and should become a fun player to watch. Being a short guy, he's ceiling's somewhat limited, but with a lot of good fortune, he could become the next Eric Young (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/younger01.shtml).

redsof72
12-08-2012, 03:32 PM
For anyone who has not seen a low-minors baseball game...when I talk about defensive shortcomings, there are two different categories. You have Ryan Wright, who you could watch play 100 games at second base and say he is fine there. And he is fine for A-ball. But scouts look at the lack of range and say that would not cut it as a big leaguer, so they look at another position for him. It is not so much a weakness but a projected weakness.

On the other hand, there are players in A-ball who have been drafted based on their bat but who have defensive skills that are so poor that you can't believe it. If Juan Duran were on a college team, he would never play a single inning of defense because the coach just could not live with that kind of a liability. There are a few players like that in every organization. You look at these guys and you wonder how on earth they could ever improve enough to be a major leaguer when they can't make plays that the kid on the local high school team would make. But this same player might hit a ball over the scoreboard, that's why he was signed.

So you hear people talk about someone like a Henry Rodriguez or Ryan Wright being short defensively and they are saying something completely different from what they are talking about with a Duran. In one case, they are comparing the player to what you expect from a big leaguer and in the other case, they are saying the guy is a bad defensive player.

dougdirt
12-08-2012, 06:41 PM
Speaking of infield prospects, Ty Washington has some flair and should become a fun player to watch. Being a short guy, he's ceiling's somewhat limited, but with a lot of good fortune, he could become the next Eric Young (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/younger01.shtml).
I am a Ty Washington fan after seeing some video of him.

redsof72
12-08-2012, 07:45 PM
One person I spoke with really likes Peterson and thinks he could get in the mix at 2B in Dayton. Runs well and plays good defense. Might struggle against off-speed stuff at this point. Reynoso is said to be very good prospect who could probably handle himself in Dayton but will have to wait his turn.

mdccclxix
12-11-2012, 11:16 AM
So, going off the original post by Benihana, it's been said that Lotzkar is not looking to start. Does that put him in the AAA bullpen?

_Sir_Charles_
12-12-2012, 07:19 PM
For me, this list is scary. Check Gregorious off the list. Now go down and look at our SS depth chart.

Negron / Gilmartin / Perez / Vincej

Is there a weaker position in our entire organization? We were banking on Hamilton with Gregorious as a fallback. Now they're both out of that picture.

Benihana
12-12-2012, 09:06 PM
For me, this list is scary. Check Gregorious off the list. Now go down and look at our SS depth chart.

Negron / Gilmartin / Perez / Vincej

Is there a weaker position in our entire organization? We were banking on Hamilton with Gregorious as a fallback. Now they're both out of that picture.

Agreed. Would love to draft and/or sign some premium SS prospects.

If Cozart falters for whatever reason, at least we have the pitching prospects to trade for another SS.

_Sir_Charles_
12-12-2012, 09:14 PM
Agreed. Would love to draft and/or sign some premium SS prospects.

If Cozart falters for whatever reason, at least we have the pitching prospects to trade for another SS.

:beerme:

corkedbat
12-13-2012, 11:56 AM
I would expect Beau Mills to be in either the Louisville or Pensacola lineups. Dennick will either be a Red or offered back

Benihana
12-13-2012, 11:58 AM
I would expect Beau Mills to be in either the Louisville or Pensacola lineups. Dennick will either be a Red or offered back

Mills can DH for Louisville.

Vottomatic
12-13-2012, 04:39 PM
What will Louisville's starting rotation be?

Cingrani, Corcino, Villareal, Redmond, Rogers?

dougdirt
12-13-2012, 04:43 PM
What will Louisville's starting rotation be?

Cingrani, Corcino, Villareal, Redmond, Rogers?

I doubt they promote Rogers that quickly, even with a good August in AA.

camisadelgolf
12-13-2012, 06:10 PM
I would expect Beau Mills to be in either the Louisville or Pensacola lineups. Dennick will either be a Red or offered back
Dennick was taken in the minor league phase of the rule five draft and therefore doesn't need to be offered back.

_Sir_Charles_
12-13-2012, 07:32 PM
What will Louisville's starting rotation be?

Cingrani, Corcino, Villareal, Redmond, Rogers?

I'm still of the opinion that we'll see Leake there for considerable time.

Scrap Irony
12-13-2012, 07:55 PM
I'm still of the opinion that we'll see Leake there for considerable time.

Me, too.

Either that or he's dealt for a monster closer.

Vottomatic
12-15-2012, 01:23 PM
I'm still of the opinion that we'll see Leake there for considerable time.

Okay. So......

Leake
Redmond
Villareal
Cingrani (if he isn't the lefty specialist for the Reds)
Corcino

That's how I see it.

coachpipe
12-18-2012, 10:23 AM
Okay. So......

Leake
Redmond
Villareal
Cingrani (if he isn't the lefty specialist for the Reds)
Corcino

That's how I see it.

That might be better than the Astros, Marlins, Twins and Redsox staff :laugh:

NastyBoys
01-15-2013, 03:58 PM
Not trying to be a hater, but do we really need 7 stickies in this forum right now?

Predicting Lohman at SS and Wright at 2B in Pensacola

mth123
01-27-2013, 09:49 AM
The Reds are really building quite a crowd at the upper levels with the minor league free agents they've signed. Consider the pitching situation. Lets start with the Starters

The Reds will have Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroyo and Chapman with Mike Leake involved in the pen or maybe at AAA.

For AAA we have Chad Reinecke, Armando Galarraga, Mark Redmond, Daniel Corcino, Tony Cingrani, Pedro Villareal, Greg Reynolds, Sean Gilmartin and Maybe Leake.

At AA Josh Smith, Chad rogers, Daniel Renken, Yohan Pino, Tim Crabbe

Some of the AAA guys may end up in AA and some will end up in the bullpen, but bullpen spots are scarce as well. In the Majors the Reds have a crowd with Broxton, Marshall, Ondrusek, Arredondo, Simon, Masset and Lecure leaving no room for JJ Hoover who probably starts out in AAA and possibly one of the others will as well if Leake or Chapman starts the season in the pen.

At AAA Josh Ravin, Nick Christiani, Wilkin de La Rosa, Justin Freeman, Chris Manno, Jose Diaz, Mark Serrano, Drew Hayes, Jeff Stevens, Kevin Whelan and probably Hoover will be competing...

...While at AA Curtis Partch, Brian Pearl, Blaine Howell, Carlos Contreras, James Walczak, Kyle Lotzkar, Lee Hyde, and Loek Van Mil will be pushing for time.

The lower levels have plenty of guys needing innings too and you have to wander what the Reds are going to do with them all. Could be 7 to 10 guys cut loose or dealt off in spring training IMO.

lollipopcurve
01-27-2013, 01:43 PM
Sean Gilmartin

No, still with the Braves. The Reds' Gilmartin is an infielder struggling to get out single A.

mth123
01-27-2013, 01:49 PM
No, still with the Braves. The Reds' Gilmartin is an infielder struggling to get out single A.

Yep. See the ranks are thinning already.;)

OGB
01-28-2013, 06:15 PM
For me, this list is scary. Check Gregorious off the list. Now go down and look at our SS depth chart.

Negron / Gilmartin / Perez / Vincej

Is there a weaker position in our entire organization? We were banking on Hamilton with Gregorious as a fallback. Now they're both out of that picture.

I would assume the Reds will draft a couple SSs very high this year...most teams draft a lot of them every year, but the Reds will do it with more urgency.

mdccclxix
02-08-2013, 10:43 AM
I would assume the Reds will draft a couple SSs very high this year...most teams draft a lot of them every year, but the Reds will do it with more urgency.

Just looking back over this thread, some wondering what Rosa will do with the loaded 3b and OF situation around him...one of these lists that just came out (MLB?) mentioned they might look for Rosa at SS still.

That doesn't jive with what redsof72 says about his defense at 3b to well though, and if you look back redsof72 was on to Reynoso back in December before the BA list came out. :thumbup:

mdccclxix
03-14-2013, 06:42 PM
bump

RED VAN HOT
03-18-2013, 09:26 PM
Can anyone confirm that the Reds intend to convert Carlos Contreras back into a starter? I thought I overheard this at ST.

BTW, saw young Soto throw 15 or so pitches off the mound on a minor league field. Consistently high with the fastball. I had no way to determine speed, but I could see good movement. Also, he threw one nice curve with sharp, late break and noticeable speed differential.

lollipopcurve
03-20-2013, 07:52 PM
saw young Soto throw 15 or so pitches off the mound on a minor league field.

Who is young Soto?

RED VAN HOT
03-20-2013, 10:41 PM
Who is young Soto?

I may be wrong, but I presumed it was Mario's son. I seem to recall a mention that he had a son coming along as a pitcher. He had Soto on his uni and was #36. He was being watched and coached from behind the backstop by an older Soto, also #36. Seemed to fit.

texasdave
03-21-2013, 06:48 AM
FORMER REDS pitching great Mario Soto, now a special assistant to the general manager, has his son, Mario, Jr., 18, in camp with him and he, too, is budding pitcher.
Soto Jr. is weighing scholarship offers in the Dominican Republic and when asked if he is going to be as good as his father said, “Yes.” Better? “Yes.”Mario Sr. was asked if his son has the same devastating changeup he used to freeze hitters and he said, “He was born with it.”

From Hal McCoy's blog.

RED VAN HOT
03-21-2013, 01:36 PM
From Hal McCoy's blog.

Thanks for digging that up. The curve I described may well have been a change up. After a sequence of fast balls, it was a knee buckler.