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Brutus
12-08-2012, 09:08 PM
For 6 years, over $140 million.

The Yankees have officially relocated to L.A. County.

_Sir_Charles_
12-08-2012, 09:11 PM
It's just freaking insane what they've spent over the past year. IN-SANE!

AmarilloRed
12-08-2012, 09:19 PM
I was hoping hoping the Rangers would be able to get him. I imagine they'll go all out to get Hamilton now.

cincrazy
12-08-2012, 09:25 PM
For all the money the Dodgers have spent, I still don't think they're the best team in the NL, or even their division for that matter. We'll see how Greinke handles the pressure of that huge contract. Crawford and Beckett are huge question marks, Adrian Gonzalez is in decline... sure, they're spending a lot of dough. But can't me as someone who says they're not spending it very wisely.

_Sir_Charles_
12-08-2012, 09:41 PM
It got me curious. Just since July of this year, the Dodgers have added....

Brandon League (Trade with M's)
Shane Victorino (Trade with Phils)
Hanley Ramirez
Randy Choate (Trade with Fish)
Adrian Gonzalez
Josh Beckett
Carl Crawford
Nick Punto (Trade with BoSox)

Resign League 22million/3years (could be 33.5/3 with incentives)
Won bidding on Hyun-Jin Ryu for 25.7 million (this was just to win the right to NEGOTIATE with him) They have until 4pm tomorrow to sign him or they just flushed the 25.7 million.
Sign Greinke for 147 million/6 years.

They had the highest payroll in the majors BEFORE they signed League & Greinke (and maybe Ryu)

As of sept 2012...


Dodgers, $193.8MM
Phillies, $133.1MM
Yankees, $119.1MM
Cardinals, $92.8MM
Angels, $92.3MM
Tigers, $90.2MM
Rangers, $84.4MM
White Sox, $83.3MM
Giants, $81.0MM
Reds, $74.1MM
Twins, $68.3MM
Marlins, $67.5MM
Blue Jays, $61.3MM
Nationals, $58.6MM
Diamondbacks, $55.0MM
Mets, $54.5MM
Orioles, $53.2MM
Brewers, $52.4MM
Rockies, $46.5MM
Red Sox, $45.6MM
Cubs, $41.8MM
Mariners, $40.5MM
Royals, $34.9MM
Pirates, $27.9MM
Padres, $26.0MM
Athletics, $23.0MM
Rays, $18.6MM
Braves, $15.2MM
Indians, $11MM
Astros, $5.5MM

Now tack on League, Greinke & Ryu. Good lord. Heck, they still owe 8.5 million a year to Ramirez. *rolls eyes*

dougdirt
12-08-2012, 09:51 PM
Won bidding on Hyun-Jin Ryu for 25.7 million (this was just to win the right to NEGOTIATE with him) They have until 4pm tomorrow to sign him or they just flushed the 25.7 million.


This isn't true. With Japanese teams it would be, but Ryu is from the Korean Leagues and they only get to keep the money if the player signs, otherwise it is returned.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21322962/dodgers-ryu-hyunjin-far-apart-in-negotiations

757690
12-08-2012, 09:53 PM
And so it begins...

The Dodgers make $280M a year just from their TV deal.

To put that in perspective, the Dodgers could sign 10 more Grienke contracts and still not have to touch any of their other revenue streams, which are substantial.

Another way to look at it, the Dodgers could go $82M over the Luxary Tax threshold, and still not have to touch any of their other revenue streams. Nearly half of the MLB teams payrolls are less than $82M.

blumj
12-08-2012, 09:55 PM
If that's a posting fee, they only pay it if they sign him.

What Doug said, man, I'm slow.

LegallyMinded
12-08-2012, 11:44 PM
I was hoping hoping the Rangers would be able to get him. I imagine they'll go all out to get Hamilton now.

I was thinking the same thing, but the Rangers are apparently still going after Upton (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/rangers-still-interested-in-acquiring-justin-upton.html). If the Rangers can pry him away from Arizona, that leaves Hamilton for a team like the Mariners, and leaves players like Swisher and Bourn still on the market. It seems like at least one high-profile outfielder is going to be left without a team when the music stops.

kaldaniels
12-09-2012, 12:55 AM
It got me curious. Just since July of this year, the Dodgers have added....

Brandon League (Trade with M's)
Shane Victorino (Trade with Phils)
Hanley Ramirez
Randy Choate (Trade with Fish)
Adrian Gonzalez
Josh Beckett
Carl Crawford
Nick Punto (Trade with BoSox)

Resign League 22million/3years (could be 33.5/3 with incentives)
Won bidding on Hyun-Jin Ryu for 25.7 million (this was just to win the right to NEGOTIATE with him) They have until 4pm tomorrow to sign him or they just flushed the 25.7 million.
Sign Greinke for 147 million/6 years.

They had the highest payroll in the majors BEFORE they signed League & Greinke (and maybe Ryu)

As of sept 2012...


Dodgers, $193.8MM
Phillies, $133.1MM
Yankees, $119.1MM
Cardinals, $92.8MM
Angels, $92.3MM
Tigers, $90.2MM
Rangers, $84.4MM
White Sox, $83.3MM
Giants, $81.0MM
Reds, $74.1MM
Twins, $68.3MM
Marlins, $67.5MM
Blue Jays, $61.3MM
Nationals, $58.6MM
Diamondbacks, $55.0MM
Mets, $54.5MM
Orioles, $53.2MM
Brewers, $52.4MM
Rockies, $46.5MM
Red Sox, $45.6MM
Cubs, $41.8MM
Mariners, $40.5MM
Royals, $34.9MM
Pirates, $27.9MM
Padres, $26.0MM
Athletics, $23.0MM
Rays, $18.6MM
Braves, $15.2MM
Indians, $11MM
Astros, $5.5MM

Now tack on League, Greinke & Ryu. Good lord. Heck, they still owe 8.5 million a year to Ramirez. *rolls eyes*

What exactly are those numbers listed? Braves at 15.2 MM?

Brutus
12-09-2012, 02:32 AM
Jeff Passan on Twitter with a mind-numbing stat:


RT @JeffPassan: Dodgers have $210,130,953 in commitments for players on their roster. The Astros have $800,000

Vottomatic
12-09-2012, 05:41 AM
I've rooted against the Yankees for years because they simply overpay for players and buy championships. Now I'll change my focus to the Dodgers and wish them to fall way short. I don't wish for major injuries, but it won't hurt my feelings if Greinke has a series of aggravating minor injuries that help waste the Dodgers investment in him. Same goes for other players. And none of these guys are getting any younger.

PuffyPig
12-09-2012, 09:15 AM
Won bidding on Hyun-Jin Ryu for 25.7 million (this was just to win the right to NEGOTIATE with him) They have until 4pm tomorrow to sign him or they just flushed the 25.7 million.


If they don't sign him, they don't pay the posting fee.

Vottomatic
12-09-2012, 10:45 AM
I just read on MLBTR that Greinke is the 4th Dodger currently to make $20+M in a season joining Adrien Gonzalez, Matt Kemp and Carl Crawford.

That is insane. MLB salaries are out of whack again.

Look for the Dodgers to buying a title here soon. Ridiculous.

_Sir_Charles_
12-09-2012, 10:47 AM
This isn't true. With Japanese teams it would be, but Ryu is from the Korean Leagues and they only get to keep the money if the player signs, otherwise it is returned.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21322962/dodgers-ryu-hyunjin-far-apart-in-negotiations

Ah, thanks. I thought it was the same for both. Okay so now they're just very insane...not very, very insane.

_Sir_Charles_
12-09-2012, 10:48 AM
What exactly are those numbers listed? Braves at 15.2 MM?

Salary committed to 2013 (as of september I believe)

From here. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/2013-payroll-commitments.html

blumj
12-09-2012, 11:52 AM
Ah, thanks. I thought it was the same for both. Okay so now they're just very insane...not very, very insane.
Actually, it is the same, they don't pay the posting fee unless they sign the player.


If the player does not sign a contract with the MLB team by the end of the signing period, the player is returned to the NPB team and the NPB team does not receive the bid money.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Posting_System

Tom Servo
12-09-2012, 12:59 PM
I know Ted Lilly and Chad Billingsley are coming off injuries, but they should be ready to start the year and so how many starters do the Dodgers need?

Clayton Kershaw
Zack Greinke
Ryu Hyun-Jin
Ted Lilly
Chad Billingsley
Josh Beckett
Aaron Harang
Chris Capuano

_Sir_Charles_
12-09-2012, 02:39 PM
Actually, it is the same, they don't pay the posting fee unless they sign the player.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Posting_System

LOL. Well color me confused. :O) I could've swore I read somewhere that the big risk with those deals is that if you can't sign the guy you forfeit a ton of money. Oh well, thanks for the heads up.

_Sir_Charles_
12-09-2012, 02:42 PM
I know Ted Lilly and Chad Billingsley are coming off injuries, but they should be ready to start the year and so how many starters do the Dodgers need?

Clayton Kershaw
Zack Greinke
Ryu Hyun-Jin
Ted Lilly
Chad Billingsley
Josh Beckett
Aaron Harang
Chris Capuano

They're supposedly trying to deal Harang and Capuano pretty hard for what it's worth.

traderumor
12-09-2012, 04:37 PM
I know Greinke can be nasty in any given game, but there is just something there that is hard to put your finger on that makes me glad to see the Dodgers get their next Kevin Brown. I think this will be one of those running joke contracts, in an Albert Belle sort of way.

The Operator
12-09-2012, 05:41 PM
I know Greinke can be nasty in any given game, but there is just something there that is hard to put your finger on that makes me glad to see the Dodgers get their next Kevin Brown. I think this will be one of those running joke contracts, in an Albert Belle sort of way.I kinda get the same vibe from him.

For the money they're spending, The Dodgers' roster isn't that imposing.

Wonderful Monds
12-09-2012, 06:02 PM
I kinda get the same vibe from him.

For the money they're spending, The Dodgers' roster isn't that imposing.

A lot of that money is tied up in the mediocrity of Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford.

dougdirt
12-09-2012, 06:07 PM
That is insane. MLB salaries are out of whack again.


Are they though? MLB is coming into a metric ton of money right now. Guys who signed long term deals a few years ago are probably wishing they hadn't.

cincrazy
12-09-2012, 06:19 PM
Are they though? MLB is coming into a metric ton of money right now. Guys who signed long term deals a few years ago are probably wishing they hadn't.

Just because revenues are exploding doesn't mean guys like Crawford, Beckett and Greinke are worth what they're getting paid. Sure, the Dodgers have the money. Does that mean they should spend it, even on average talent? They're going to spend themselves right into a major predicament if you ask me, explosive revenues or not.

dougdirt
12-09-2012, 06:48 PM
Just because revenues are exploding doesn't mean guys like Crawford, Beckett and Greinke are worth what they're getting paid. Sure, the Dodgers have the money. Does that mean they should spend it, even on average talent? They're going to spend themselves right into a major predicament if you ask me, explosive revenues or not.

That might just be the price of average talent now. I would rather the players get the money than the owners just pocket it by the twenties of millions. Heck, look at the prices backup/platoon players are signing for this offseason. $5-7M a season. For guys who aren't playing every day. Times have changed with these new tv deals, both for the national deal and the individual teams. The players are getting their appropriate raises based off of how much money is now available.

kaldaniels
12-10-2012, 08:04 AM
Salary committed to 2013 (as of september I believe)

From here. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/2013-payroll-commitments.html

Dan Uggla and Brian McCann combined will make well over the Braves 15 MM that is listed. Something seems off.

edit - I'm thinking it doesn't include the option years for McCann,Hudson,etc. Info is just out of date now that they have been exercised.

klw
12-10-2012, 09:03 AM
A lot of that money is tied up in the mediocrity of Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford.

I think Beckett will be in for a good year with the Dodgers but agree that as a Reds fan I do not fear the Dodgers. They feel like the Mets from a few years ago. Oooh you bought Jason Bay. scary.

Tony Cloninger
12-10-2012, 02:04 PM
I know Greinke can be nasty in any given game, but there is just something there that is hard to put your finger on that makes me glad to see the Dodgers get their next Kevin Brown. I think this will be one of those running joke contracts, in an Albert Belle sort of way.

Watching him pitch for the Angels...and talking with Angel fans... they seemed underwhelmed, as I was about his performances. Nothing that says #1 starter at all in this last year from him. But the Dodgers were basically bidding or over bidding for themselves. Someone says they will give you $100 for something and you say...NO, I insist..I will give you $300 for it. OK? sure.

RedsManRick
12-10-2012, 02:14 PM
Watching him pitch for the Angels...and talking with Angel fans... they seemed underwhelmed, as I was about his performances. Nothing that says #1 starter at all in this last year from him. But the Dodgers were basically bidding or over bidding for themselves. Someone says they will give you $100 for something and you say...NO, I insist..I will give you $300 for it. OK? sure.

Watching Greinke feels a lot like watching Cueto to me. You rarely get the sense that he's dominating. It's just that the outs keep coming and suddenly you look up and he's gone 6 innings, with 4 hits, 5 Ks, 0 BBs, and 1 ER.

That said, having Cueto's first 2 years of FA for $10M/yr is looking like an absolute steal -- comparable pitchers are going to be making nearly 3 times that!

Tony Cloninger
12-10-2012, 02:41 PM
Watching Greinke feels a lot like watching Cueto to me. You rarely get the sense that he's dominating. It's just that the outs keep coming and suddenly you look up and he's gone 6 innings, with 4 hits, 5 Ks, 0 BBs, and 1 ER.

That said, having Cueto's first 2 years of FA for $10M/yr is looking like an absolute steal -- comparable pitchers are going to be making nearly 3 times that!

Well that's not bad ...but hardly worth that kind of contract.

dougdirt
12-10-2012, 03:42 PM
Well that's not bad ...but hardly worth that kind of contract.

I don't know. It may not have been worth that kind of contract 5 years ago. But today, with all of this incredible TV money rolling in? I feel like people are still trying to compare contracts signed today to ones signed just a few years ago. They aren't the same. Not even close. Teams are literally doubling the amount of money they are bringing in compared to just 5 years ago.