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The DARK
12-08-2012, 10:31 PM
6 years, 147 million. 24.5 million per year.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/dodgers-to-sign-zack-greinke.html

How are teams supposed to compete with this kind of spending? These new TV deals and the payroll imbalance they create is absurd.

Salukifan2
12-08-2012, 11:28 PM
Lol this is fantastic. Paying a #2 starter almost 25 mil a year. They will now be the most.over paid team ever. This will also set a hell of a precedent when kershaw hits the market

joshua
12-08-2012, 11:37 PM
These TV deals are crazy. It won't be long until no one will be able to compete with teams like the Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees...I love baseball more than just about anything, but if it begins to become so lopsided that the Reds can't compete, why watch?

Redsfansince72
12-09-2012, 12:27 AM
I hate the Dodgers are now trying to outspend all the rest of the teams along with the Yankees. I want them to get beat now more than ever..

The DARK
12-09-2012, 01:13 AM
These TV deals are crazy. It won't be long until no one will be able to compete with teams like the Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees...I love baseball more than just about anything, but if it begins to become so lopsided that the Reds can't compete, why watch?

Eventually it just becomes the Premier League, where only the top 4 in spending have any realistic shot at the top crown, with the difference being it's even more boring for the lower teams without anything to play for (bottom-tier PL teams have to avoid relegation). I don't know if that will be the case in the long run, but until the value of TV contracts reestablishes itself and other teams can catch up, the Dodgers can dole out long-term contracts to pretty much anybody they want.

Heck, why wouldn't they? The luxury tax is pretty irrelevant when your revenue stream is increasing exponentially. Winning a World Series provides a huge boost for your worldwide brand (increasingly more relevant than your regional brand), so in reality, all these contracts are just an investment towards that. With the Red Sox and Marlins having proven that no bad contract is too bad to trade anymore (you can even get value from it!), there's no downside at all.

In my mind, the luxury tax needs to be exponential as well. Paying a small percent extra for each contract that goes over just doesn't cut it anymore.

joshua
12-09-2012, 02:41 AM
Yep. And soon you'll see big market teams buying out insane contracts and cutting players just to make room for the next big free agent. Salaries will rise insanely and teams like the Reds won't be able to afford ****.

I hope a new commissioner comes along soon and can institute a salary cap and salary floor...although that's entirely unlikely. The NFL is already taking over American sports, and the way MLB is headed its only going to get worse.

tedies
12-09-2012, 02:59 AM
Eh, let them overspend. They will regret all the is spending

MoneyInTheBank
12-09-2012, 09:34 AM
The TV contracts will eventually come to a head and there will be serious CBA issues when it expires. As a baseball fan, I'm fully expecting ugly negotiations and possibly a lockout.

The commissioner works for all of the owners, not just the handful of "haves". So when you have 4 or 5 owners in one ear saying "everything is fine" and 25 in the other ear saying "we can't compete so nobody will show up to our games and we're not making any money", the 25 will have a voice.

This is why things are going to get so ugly, not only are they going to have owners fighting with the player's union about a salary cap, but they are going to have owners fighting with owners. This is why the NBA missed part of their season last year.

It will be addressed at some point and, as the old saying goes, when Millionaires and Billionaires fight, the fans get hurt the worst.

DocRed
12-09-2012, 11:16 AM
$150 million for 1 good season 4 years ago...nice!

UPRedsFan
12-09-2012, 12:11 PM
Injuries to big contract players and young talent can even things out a bit. The highest payroll won't win every time.

webbbj
12-09-2012, 03:41 PM
I think pple are over reacting. Those big contracts didnt get the redsox or dodgers very far last year. The Marlins spending spree didnt go so well either.

These teams that overpay may not feel the impact right away but those contract look ugly on the back end. Look at Arods contract that is the worst thing ive ever seen.

Hondo
12-09-2012, 05:01 PM
$150 million for 1 good season 4 years ago...nice!

Yeah, 31-11 the last two years isn't good. 70-43 the last 5 years including a 14 loss season with a terrible 65-97 Royals team in 2010.

Ya'll need to recognize talent.

DocRed
12-09-2012, 07:26 PM
Dodgers just signed the Korean pitcher Ryu for $36 million over 6 years. They paid $25.6 for negotiating rights too. What's another $62 million eh?

The DARK
12-09-2012, 08:18 PM
I think pple are over reacting. Those big contracts didnt get the redsox or dodgers very far last year. The Marlins spending spree didnt go so well either.

These teams that overpay may not feel the impact right away but those contract look ugly on the back end. Look at Arods contract that is the worst thing ive ever seen.

Thing is, in this day and age, those contracts are tradeable. If the Dodgers start to tank in a few years, they can sell these players off to the next large market team that wants to go all-in.

Salukifan2
12-09-2012, 08:21 PM
Yeah, 31-11 the last two years isn't good. 70-43 the last 5 years including a 14 loss season with a terrible 65-97 Royals team in 2010.

Ya'll need to recognize talent.

This is sarcasm right?

joshua
12-09-2012, 08:24 PM
Their spending leaves me completely speechless. Wow. How the hell can they think any of this is a good idea? Every year there is a team that does this, and they never win the whole thing.

I hope we can extend our young pitching and that these crazy extensions don't have them set on hitting free agency...but if I knew that type of money was a possibility, I don't know if I'd be able to help myself.

Right now the Dodgers rake in 25 times what the Reds do with their TV contract. The Reds are going to need a hell of a lot of help at the gate next year.

Salukifan2
12-09-2012, 08:40 PM
and 60 mil for Ryu? are you kidding? What makes everything so funny is that of all the money they have spent there are only a couple sure things.

1.) Adrian Gonzalez will get his. The man is amazing and that was a great acquistion

2.) Though he is being over paid by almost 10 mil zach greinke will get his 14-16 wins and have an era around 3.50.

After that, of all their recent acquisitions are major risks.

DocRed
12-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Yeah, 31-11 the last two years isn't good. 70-43 the last 5 years including a 14 loss season with a terrible 65-97 Royals team in 2010.

Ya'll need to recognize talent.

Last 3 years ERA 4.17, 3.83 and 3.48.

$25 million a year for a career 3.77 ERA....mmkay. Homer Bailey's stats were close to Greinke's last year and I bet you Homer Bailey has a better year than he does next year.