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NorrisHopper30
12-11-2012, 05:02 PM
Just saw on Twitter. For Stubbs & Gregorious. Choo would CF and leadoff.


Here's your link http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21363341/reds-in-talks-to-acquire-choo-from-indians

herbdizzle
12-11-2012, 05:04 PM
If true, this would be the move the Reds need to take them over the top. Choo would provide perfect balance to the Reds batting order and would be the perfect 1 year bridge to give Billy Hamilton the needed seasoning in AAA. Love to see this go through.

webbbj
12-11-2012, 05:06 PM
do it walt

MBZags
12-11-2012, 05:17 PM
If Stubbs and Gregorius is all it takes, get it done yesterday, Walt. I'm guessing a third player might be involved, though. Hopefully, it's not one of the pitching prospects.

This trade also would likely be good for Bronson Arroyo's psyche.

5TimeWSChamps
12-11-2012, 05:22 PM
3 years of Stubbs + 6 years of Gregorious for 1 year of Choo makes no sense.

There will be another player coming to Cincy

Red in Atl
12-11-2012, 05:27 PM
I hate to lose Gregorious, but you have to give to get. I like this lineup.

Choo CF
Phillips 2nd
Votto 1st
Ludwick LF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3rd
Hanigan/Mes C
Cozart SS

joshua
12-11-2012, 05:28 PM
That could do some major damage. I hope we don't have to give up Cingrani or Corcino to get this done.

UPRedsFan
12-11-2012, 05:32 PM
So play offense for the first 6 or 7 innings. Get the lead, then pull Ludwick, move Choo to left, and insert Heisey in the outfield to help protect the lead.

Between late inning substitutions and periodic days off for Ludwick, Choo wouldn't spend all year in center. Regardless, of weakening the outfield defenst you have to do this for the upgrade at leadoff and especially after the Nats went out and got Span. Have to improve the offense to keep up with Nats and Dodgers next year!

If this really happens I like our chances with Chapman to the rotation, full year of Frazier at 3b, full year of Votto, a top tier leadoff man. Suddenly a 97 win team just got better starting pitching and a better offense!

code
12-11-2012, 05:36 PM
I would love to see this happen. Main Reason.. Get rid of ****ty ass Stubbs.

KYRedLeg
12-11-2012, 05:41 PM
Do itttttttt!

Alpha Zero
12-11-2012, 05:42 PM
So Choo and another player for Didi and Stubbs? I love Gregorius, but if this is the extent of the deal, then I'm all for it without even knowing who the other player from the Indians is. Choo is a massive upgrade to the offense, and even if the Reds can't resign him, he's a lock to turn down arbitration and will net the Reds an extra supplemental first round pick. This also takes some pressure off of Hamilton to produce immediately and gives him a full season to marinate in AAA. Again, great move by Walt if this does in fact go down as it is currently being reported.

NebraskaRed
12-11-2012, 05:58 PM
I liked what we saw of Gregorius this year, but I like Choo a whole lot more. I see no downside to this deal. Any idea who the other player besides Choo would be?

scott91575
12-11-2012, 06:04 PM
So Choo and another player for Didi and Stubbs? I love Gregorius, but if this is the extent of the deal, then I'm all for it without even knowing who the other player from the Indians is. Choo is a massive upgrade to the offense, and even if the Reds can't resign him, he's a lock to turn down arbitration and will net the Reds an extra supplemental first round pick. This also takes some pressure off of Hamilton to produce immediately and gives him a full season to marinate in AAA. Again, great move by Walt if this does in fact go down as it is currently being reported.

It's no longer turning down arbitration. It's turning down a contract offer at a certain money amount (IIRC it was at about $13.3 million for 1 year this past year). Of course Choo will turn down that kind of offer too. Just thought I would throw that out there.

Red Buckeye
12-11-2012, 06:14 PM
MAKE IT HAPPEN WALT!

Aside from the obvious reasons of getting rid of K Stubbs and having a legit leadoff hitter, this guy has the coolest name in MLB!

Choooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

texasdave
12-11-2012, 06:28 PM
People from out of town will think that Reds' fans are crazy booing their own players. Brruuuuuuuuuuucce!!! Choooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

BluegrassRedleg
12-11-2012, 06:44 PM
Please, God, make this happen.

BluegrassRedleg
12-11-2012, 06:46 PM
3 years of Stubbs + 6 years of Gregorious for 1 year of Choo makes no sense.

There will be another player coming to Cincy

Bridge year to Hamilton. If it does nothing more than remove Stubbs as an option for Dusty, it's worth it. Plus, it keeps Choo from hitting 7-8 extra-base hits against the Reds next season. :p

Spider Tre
12-11-2012, 06:50 PM
sucks losing Didi but, Walt, make it happen!

JayBruceFan
12-11-2012, 06:55 PM
If this goes through and the Indians get/keep Stubbs, anybody wanna set an early over/under on total strikeouts combined for the prolific whiff duo of Drew Stubbs and Mark Reynolds?

400? 450??

Either way, it's gonna be windy in Cleveland. lol

Spider Tre
12-11-2012, 07:02 PM
If this goes through and the Indians get/keep Stubbs, anybody wanna set an early over/under on total strikeouts combined for the prolific whiff duo of Drew Stubbs and Mark Reynolds?

400? 450??

Either way, it's gonna be windy in Cleveland. lol

Hot In Cleveland? no worries, the K Krew will help keep you cool ;)

HatchMo
12-11-2012, 07:06 PM
CHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/Hatchmo/choo-front-pre.jpg

Stray
12-11-2012, 07:07 PM
This would give us a really solid lineup. It's a bit much to give up for 1 year with a guy, but I wanna say I read earlier the Indians would be sending another player as well.

RedTruck
12-11-2012, 07:07 PM
for the love of god let this happen:beerme:

[deleted]
12-11-2012, 07:09 PM
Looks like Arizona is getting involved, I'd guess for a SS. If we can land Choo without losing pitching depth, I'll be ecstatic.

americanoutlaw1
12-11-2012, 07:10 PM
Shin-Soo Choo? Hell Yes.... That is all.

RedTruck
12-11-2012, 07:11 PM
Apperantly this deal is almost finalized. YES!!!!!!!

19braves77
12-11-2012, 07:12 PM
there has got to be smaller parts to this trade if it ends up a three way trade.

bmwreds31
12-11-2012, 07:14 PM
Lets look at this from indians prospective why would they do this. Im failing to see it. Which is why im not optimistic this is going to happen.

Salukifan2
12-11-2012, 07:14 PM
If it happens this is an absolute steal for the reds. Considering stubbs has almost negative value, and Gregorious's best year since rookie ball in the minors is .289 BA, and a .324 obp.

Crazyiness!!!! Walt better get this done

RedTruck
12-11-2012, 07:15 PM
Lets look at this from indians prospective why would they do this. Im failing to see it. Which is why im not optimistic this is going to happen.

After 2013, he's a free agent. He's a boras client as well.

There looking to net something, before it's to late.

You might argue and say.."wouldn't choo have more value during the trade deadline period?"

Well considering it would be a 2 month rental, I imagine the amount of prospects would lessened to quite a degree, compared to trading Choo during the offseason, allowing teams to have a full 1 year, and thus requiring more in return.

Krawhitham
12-11-2012, 07:18 PM
3 years of Stubbs + 6 years of Gregorious for 1 year of Choo makes no sense.

There will be another player coming to Cincy

you are assuming 3 years of Stubbs is a positive thing


Plus Walt has a history of trading for players in there contract year and resigning them

Maker_84
12-11-2012, 07:26 PM
I hate Choo so im indifferent to this trade

RedTruck
12-11-2012, 07:28 PM
I hate Choo so im indifferent to this trade

You hate a player with a career .289 Batting Average, a .381 OBP, a .847 OPS, someone who has great speed, averages roughly 20-30 Stolen Bases a year, has great pop, and could easily hit 25+ in our bandbox, and plays great d?

Would you SERIOUSLY prefer to keep stubbs? Honestly?

Maker_84
12-11-2012, 07:34 PM
You hate a player with a career .289 Batting Average, a .381 OBP, a .847 OPS, someone who has great speed, averages roughly 20-30 Stolen Bases a year, has great pop, and could easily hit 25+ in our bandbox, and plays great d?

Would you SERIOUSLY prefer to keep stubbs? Honestly?

I live in the greater Cleveland area so all i hear about all the time how he's so great and that cheer they do with choooo is annoying. He's also killed the reds his entire career. Hate on Stubbs all you want but he was more productive than alot of the reds players in the playoffs. Im not against the trade but if it doesn't get done i wont be upset

osuredleg24
12-11-2012, 07:38 PM
I live in the greater Cleveland area so all i hear about all the time how he's so great and that cheer they do with choooo is annoying. He's also killed the reds his entire career. Hate on Stubbs all you want but he was more productive than alot of the reds players in the playoffs. Im not against the trade but if it doesn't get done i wont be upset

Stubbs hit .211 and had 1 RBI, not exactly productive

Red Raindog
12-11-2012, 07:42 PM
I hate Choo so im indifferent to this trade

is it because of this line from 2012?

vs. CIN

27 6 11 5 0 3 4 2 0 .407 .448 .926 1.374

He was on my list too...

Lety
12-11-2012, 08:00 PM
And for my first post here... all I have to say is...


Walt is a small market STUD!

HometownHero
12-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Can't wait for this to become official this is far better than getting Fowler for a SP.

MoneyInTheBank
12-11-2012, 08:10 PM
If Choo can play a passable CF (which is not a guarantee) he will be a huge coup for this team. Offensively, having Choo and Phillips ahead of Votto instead of Cozart and Stubbs will equal a ton of RBI opportunities for the middle of the order

New York Red
12-11-2012, 08:17 PM
As most of you know, I was probably the last remaining passenger on the Drew Stubbs bandwagon, before finally jumping off in 2012. All I can say is, MAKE IT HAPPEN, WALT! I've never been a Choo fan, but it's only because he has absolutely destroyed us his entire career. This trade would be huge. It would be a downgrade defensively, but a big upgrade for our lineup. I'm going to try not to get my hopes up, but I'm giddy about the possibility.

SweetLou1990
12-11-2012, 08:24 PM
The #'s defensively for Choo in RF look similiar to Bruce's defensively (I'm not saying they are the same player). If Walt is thinking of doing this, the scouts for the Redlegs must think defensively that Choo can get the job done. In Walt I trust.

WAR (2012)
Choo 3.1
Stubbs -0.2 the minus sign means effing NEGATIVE
OK Walt , go ahead

scott91575
12-11-2012, 08:32 PM
If this goes through and the Indians get/keep Stubbs, anybody wanna set an early over/under on total strikeouts combined for the prolific whiff duo of Drew Stubbs and Mark Reynolds?

400? 450??

Either way, it's gonna be windy in Cleveland. lol

Someone needs to add Stubbs to this picture.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8261224285_371017a481_b.jpg

scott91575
12-11-2012, 08:34 PM
The #'s defensively for Choo in RF look similiar to Bruce's defensively (I'm not saying they are the same player). If Walt is thinking of doing this, the scouts for the Redlegs must think defensively that Choo can get the job done. In Walt I trust.

WAR (2012)
Choo 3.1
Stubbs -0.2 the minus sign means effing NEGATIVE
OK Walt , go ahead

and that is with Choo's worst defensive year of his career. It all depends if that year was an anomaly or a trend. Before last year he was an above average RF. Hopefully a new team can spark an old fire for defense.

mroby85
12-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Three-team trade, per source, will look like this: Choo, Jason Donald to #Reds, Gregorius to #Diamondbacks, Stubbs, AZ pitcher to #Indians.

The DARK
12-11-2012, 08:49 PM
This would be a coup if Walt could pull it off. He's the perfect fit. 2 years left on the contract is plenty of time to ease Billy into the position, especially if an injury situation comes up. We solve our leadoff hitter problems, trade a blocked prospect, and might even get a throw-in to go along with it. All without breaking the bank. Oh, did I mention he's a lefty? No more worrying about Dusty's lineup shuffling.

EDIT: One year. All the same, it looks like a good deal for us, getting what we need.

SweetLou1990
12-11-2012, 08:52 PM
2012 player slaries
Stubbs $527,500 - similiar #'s in 2013
Choo 4,900,00 (3.9 mill in 2013 - can't hardly believe he would get a 1 mill paycut from 12')

This will prob eat up the majority of the expendable income for 2013 (not sure of the 2013 salaries)

KYRedLeg
12-11-2012, 08:53 PM
Jason Donald (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/donalja01.shtml)

MoneyInTheBank
12-11-2012, 08:59 PM
2012 player slaries
Stubbs $527,500 - similiar #'s in 2013
Choo 4,900,00 (3.9 mill in 2013 - can't hardly believe he would get a 1 mill paycut from 12')

This will prob eat up the majority of the expendable income for 2013 (not sure of the 2013 salaries)

Not sure where you are getting those #'s...

mlbtraderumors has Stubbs projected to get $2.9M in arbitration and Choo to get $7.9M

SweetLou1990
12-11-2012, 09:02 PM
Not sure where you are getting those #'s...

mlbtraderumors has Stubbs projected to get $2.9M in arbitration and Choo to get $7.9M

baseballplayersalaries.com - I can not vouch for accuracy, I have not seen the paystubs:thumbup:

The DARK
12-11-2012, 09:06 PM
Donald looks useful. He and H-Rod will likely be fighting for a similar role come next season, but he's going to be a nice upgrade over Valdez.

DocRed
12-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Hell yes..can't believe we found a potential taker for Stubss. Although I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about him at CF, he is at best an average RF'er.

Pete4prez
12-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Do it!!!

DocRed
12-11-2012, 09:25 PM
Not sure where you are getting those #'s...

mlbtraderumors has Stubbs projected to get $2.9M in arbitration and Choo to get $7.9M

I would be shocked if Stubbs gets $3 million in arbitration. -0.2 WAR. But then again Greinke got $25 million a year for being a #2-#3 starter...I guess anything is possible...

bmwreds31
12-11-2012, 09:27 PM
im hearing this is official via FB. anyone here confirm>?

Also though i looked at a few stats and one glared out at me.

choo last years SO's 150 compared to stubbs 166 . Not much better...but stubbs may have had less AB's

DocRed
12-11-2012, 09:27 PM
im hearing this is official via FB. anyone here confirm>?

Also though i looked at a few stats and one glared out at me.

choo last years SO's 150 compared to stubbs 166 . Not much better...but stubbs may have had less AB's

Has Zuckerberg confirmed?!? Link pls...

Red in Atl
12-11-2012, 09:28 PM
MLB Channel is saying Gregorious and Stubbs to the Indians for Choo and then one the Indians SS prospects to Arizona.

Australian Red
12-11-2012, 09:29 PM
This would be awesome.

MoneyInTheBank
12-11-2012, 09:32 PM
im hearing this is official via FB. anyone here confirm>?

Also though i looked at a few stats and one glared out at me.

choo last years SO's 150 compared to stubbs 166 . Not much better...but stubbs may have had less AB's

The stat that sticks out to me is .373 OBP vs. .277 for Stubbs

DocRed
12-11-2012, 09:37 PM
The stat that sticks out to me is .373 OBP vs. .277 for Stubbs

.100 points is not much of an improvement though :X

DocRed
12-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Jon Heyman says it is official..

KYRedLeg
12-11-2012, 09:59 PM
John Fay ‏@johnfayman

@JonHeymanCBS reports Choo, Donald to #Reds portion of the deal is done.

arkimadee
12-11-2012, 10:02 PM
the only downfall to this deal will be having to hear Brantley say his name a million times. Other than that. Love the deal. This year is win or bust

texasdave
12-11-2012, 10:06 PM
Bronson Arroyo is probably already at the airport to pick Choo up.

On a completely unrelated note, (or is it?) my dog is named Choo.

arkimadee
12-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Bronson will be Choos permanent BP pitcher when Choo goes into a slump

webbbj
12-11-2012, 10:24 PM
im so excited can we start the season tomorrow