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RedTruck
12-12-2012, 04:45 AM
Okay, 1 major whole was filled with the signing of Choo.

Now, what else is there left to fill?

Ludwick, Choo, Bruce our are starting 3. Xavier Paul, Chris Heisey as outfield reserves.

Frazier, Cozart, Phillips, Votto our are starting infield. Donaldson as infield reserves.

Cueto
Latos
Chapman
Bailey
Arroyo

Our starting 5.

Backup depth? Mike Leake. Corcino, Cingrani?

Bullpen:

LONG MEN: Simon, Lecure

Hoover, Arredondo, Broxton, Marshall, Ondrusek?

The weaknesses I see that are still left.

Probably need some additional bench pieces..perhaps bring back scott rolen?

I feel an additional bullpen arm is needed, and that some starting pitching depth is needed as well.

Otherwise, were set in my opinion. :beerme:

Alpha Zero
12-12-2012, 06:17 AM
Masset is also an option out of the pen. I see the Reds going after a 1B/3B bench guy who hits left handed with some pop and possibly an additional lefty reliever. Those are really the only two holes left on this squad after the deal for Choo.

The DARK
12-12-2012, 07:26 AM
On the contrary, I feel good about our starting depth. In addition to Leake, we have Redmond (better than he appeared last season), Corcino, Cingrani, and Villareal; even LeCure can make a spot start. That's a total of 11 starters that I'd not feel bad about giving a shot on any given day.

I agree on the bullpen though. Take out Chapman and we have only one lefty still in the pen (Marshall). That's not good enough... I'd look for a middle-inning lefty and call it a day.

RedsBrick
12-12-2012, 09:05 AM
If anything, maybe another lefty in the 'pen.

swaisuc
12-12-2012, 09:26 AM
Bullpen, but I'm not sure how to address it. The BEST scenerio would have been somehow landing a shutdown closer, using Broxton/Marshall as primary setup men, and the others are good enough for the rest (Hoover, JA, especially).

However, that would have meant an even higher payroll and potentially giving up a lot in a trade. If you slide Broxton to closer, you suddenly have a mediocre closer (not bad), only 1 real 8th inning guy, and everyone else is asked to fill bigger roles. I'm not sure how to fix that at this point. We may just have to live with it being one of the few average components to an otherwise very good team.

I will say that we frequently see some closers become available in July. If that happens, I'd be interested.

I'm a little worried about the bench like everybody else, but I think that will work itself out. People tend to emerge when there are bench spots up for grabs.

RedsBrick
12-12-2012, 09:55 AM
I can see Hoover stepping up and doing what Brox did last season. Or, Hoover, Marshall, Brox - 7,8,9

faffy42
12-12-2012, 09:02 PM
Needs left:
a decent second catcher
Closer role is a ? I'm not sure how broxton will do. I wish Chapman would stay THE closer.

LexRedsFan
12-12-2012, 09:50 PM
I would love to see us get another arm similar to or an improvement on Redmond who can bounce back and forth.

What happened last year was spectacular. We won't have 5 pitchers start 161 out of 162 games next year.

RedsFaninAfrica
12-13-2012, 12:24 AM
If Chapman makes it as a starter, we definitely need another lefty in the bullpen. Can Walt pull another rabbit out of his Reds cap?

scott91575
12-13-2012, 08:21 AM
Arredondo/Ondrusek (one should be replaced with a LOOGY) and closer.

40YrRedsFan
12-13-2012, 06:53 PM
I wish we could get another RH hitter to put between Votto and Bruce, moving Ludwick to 6th. Even with Choo, I am still not sure about our offense. What are we going to get from Frazier, Cozart, Ludwick, and Hanigan. That's half of our starting lineup that I have concern about.

MoneyInTheBank
12-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Arredondo/Ondrusek (one should be replaced with a LOOGY) and closer.

Arrodondo holds lefties to a .190 average for his career including .165 last season. No, he's not left handed but he gets lefties out.

I'd like to see them get another catcher they can stash at AAA like they did with Navarro last year. If Hanigan or Mesoraco is either hurt or ineffective, the Reds would have to look outside the organization because as much as I like Corky Miller, under no circumstances does he belong on a major league playoff roster.

MoneyInTheBank
12-13-2012, 07:24 PM
I wish we could get another RH hitter to put between Votto and Bruce, moving Ludwick to 6th. Even with Choo, I am still not sure about our offense. What are we going to get from Frazier, Cozart, Ludwick, and Hanigan. That's half of our starting lineup that I have concern about.

I have zero concern about Hanigan. He is what he is, .275 avg, .360 obp, very little power, walks more than he strikes out, great situational hitter. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slight downtick in production from Frazier and Ludwick but I see no reason not to expect an uptick from Cozart.

As I see it, the upgrade from Stubbs to Choo, Phillips hitting in the 2 hole, a healthy Votto, Ludwick trending down to his career averages .263/.334/.466, Bruce continuing to develop and I've discussed the others. That has to be better than last season right?

Trajinous
12-13-2012, 09:13 PM
I have zero concern about Hanigan. He is what he is, .275 avg, .360 obp, very little power, walks more than he strikes out, great situational hitter. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slight downtick in production from Frazier and Ludwick but I see no reason not to expect an uptick from Cozart.

As I see it, the upgrade from Stubbs to Choo, Phillips hitting in the 2 hole, a healthy Votto, Ludwick trending down to his career averages .263/.334/.466, Bruce continuing to develop and I've discussed the others. That has to be better than last season right?

I agree with you. Hanigan was a great catcher last year and don't see anything wrong with a Hanigan/Mesoraco tandem at catcher. I would say they would be in top 5-10 in the league.

nate1213
12-13-2012, 09:49 PM
Okay, 1 major whole was filled with the signing of Choo.

Now, what else is there left to fill?

Ludwick, Choo, Bruce our are starting 3. Xavier Paul, Chris Heisey as outfield reserves.

Frazier, Cozart, Phillips, Votto our are starting infield. Donaldson as infield reserves.

Cueto
Latos
Chapman
Bailey
Arroyo

Our starting 5.

Backup depth? Mike Leake. Corcino, Cingrani?

Bullpen:

LONG MEN: Simon, Lecure

Hoover, Arredondo, Broxton, Marshall, Ondrusek?

The weaknesses I see that are still left.

Probably need some additional bench pieces..perhaps bring back scott rolen?

I feel an additional bullpen arm is needed, and that some starting pitching depth is needed as well.

Otherwise, were set in my opinion. :beerme:

I still feel that our back-end of the bullpen isn't strong enough. I'd like to see us get one more solid righty for the 8th inning.

Old NDN
12-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Weak spots? I can't believe somebody hasn't said Dusty.lol. A lefty for middle relief that would be an upgrade over the current residents. Ondrusek and Arrendondo struggled with control late and were not very effective. Masset falls into this category also, last time we saw him. Is there somebody out there better than Heisey as backup RH hitting OF? How much change do you make in regard to team chemistry?

Ironman92
12-16-2012, 01:07 PM
Our stars aren't very clutch. Our manager is horrible in the playoffs. Hitting coach and plate approaches are atrocious against good pitchers.

BungleBengals
12-18-2012, 01:28 PM
I like the current set up of our team. I do not think we need to acquire anyone else. In regards to the closer, I think we try Broxton there and if he doesn't work out, then move Chapman there and bring up Leake to rotation. For a left reliever, why not use Cingrani? He did pretty well when they brought him up in September despite being maxed out on innings. For a utility guy, why not use HRod? He apparently can play 2nd and 3rd and he is a switch hitter too.

dubc47834
12-18-2012, 02:00 PM
I'm a Dusty supporter so Im kidding when I say this...I'm suprised no one has said Dusty is the only weak spot left....LOL!!!!

coachpipe
12-18-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm a Dusty supporter so Im kidding when I say this...I'm suprised no one has said Dusty is the only weak spot left....LOL!!!!

Walt has done a great job Dusty proofing this team

mikemo14
12-18-2012, 07:13 PM
A lefty for the pen on the cheap (Mike Gonzalez?,) minor league deals with a catcher ? and a starter Brandon Webb? for depth. Maybe a left handed hitting bat with some pop for the late innings, Luke Scott or Sean Smith type (Would bump Xavier Paul). Not big on Donald as the utility IF, but not sure who would be any better.

HUHUH
01-07-2013, 03:56 PM
Adding 1 or 2 guys ain't gonna fix it:
1) Swinging and missing
2) Situational hitting

webbbj
01-07-2013, 04:07 PM
adding choo changes the whole dynamic of the lineup. Now we arent the 27 Yankees but this team should consistently put up 5 runs per game.

UPRedsFan
01-07-2013, 09:50 PM
Choo goes a long way towards fixing the low OBP of the overall lineup. Would have liked a different option in left field. Just don't think Ludwick can do that again this year. But as it stands now, I would have to say another short reliever so we're not so dependent on Ondrusek or Massett or Arredondo.

NCCardfan
01-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Gotta say that the Reds 25 man roster looks pretty doggone solid.


Was going to make a 'Dusty proof' comment but will just chuckle and move on, that was pretty funny.

40YrRedsFan
01-07-2013, 11:11 PM
Adding 1 or 2 guys ain't gonna fix it:
1) Swinging and missing
2) Situational hitting

Agreed. This will be our problem this year. Same lineup as last year with only Choo different. Weak bench offensively...Hannahan, Mesoraco, Donald, not a whole lot better than Cairo, Valdez, etc. What will we get from Heisey and Paul? I think we will really miss Navarro as a better hitting and switch hitting back up catcher. Time will tell.

RedsFaninAfrica
01-08-2013, 01:36 AM
Adding 1 or 2 guys ain't gonna fix it:
1) Swinging and missing
2) Situational hitting

My wife hates baseball (all sports really) but loves to walk by me as I'm listening to a Reds game and say, "Swing and a miss." Why? Because that's the one thing she keeps hearing when the Reds are at the plate.

bounty37h
01-08-2013, 09:30 AM
I dont think they are weak spots by any means, but am curious to see how Cozart and Frazier play this year, was last year legit or will there be a sophmore slump? As for the wekaness, I agree, another lefty in the pen and another bench cog would be nice. Hoping Ludwick can pick up where he was mid to late season as well.

Salukifan2
01-08-2013, 01:04 PM
I don't know of any glaring issues. Pitching is the most important thing and the reds starting rotation is tremendously durable. Adding chapman to the rotation makes it less durable. Chap's shoulder flames out midway through the season in a relief role so I will expect the same if he is going every fifth day. Not to mention his fastball (which I'm sure he will throw waaaaayyyyy to much as a starter) becomes much more hittable 2 and 3 times through a lineup. At first I thought chap to the rotation was smart but I don't anymore. Brocton is a major step down from chapman. Just speaking from my observations, I've seen, watched, or heard Broxton blow at least 3 saves against the redbirds since '09. And he hasn't been a closer that whole time. I have little faith in Broxton.

And a ? would be the left side of the infield. Now that the league has had a year with cozart and Frazier it'll be interesting to see if they further develop or have sophomore slumps.

Lastly, I would not expect Ludwick to hit the way he did last year. He will be productive but he won't hit 26 bombs in less than 120 games again.

I fully expect the reds to win the division by at least 5 games, and doesnt Todd Frazier look like a young Jason bay? Idk maybe that's just me.

DannyB
01-09-2013, 12:02 AM
Walt has done a great job Dusty proofing this team

:D Shortstops bat second

smixsell
01-10-2013, 09:33 PM
I still feel that our back-end of the bullpen isn't strong enough. I'd like to see us get one more solid righty for the 8th inning.

I agree. IF Chapman make the rotation (a big IF IMO), then we need 1 RH power arm and/or 1 LH specialist.