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OnBaseMachine
12-12-2012, 01:18 PM
From Danny Knobler of CBSsports:


But Rolen has now suggested to the Reds that he might want to go to spring training and give it another try, according to sources, and the Reds would be more than happy to give him a chance. The Reds believe he can help, on the field and especially in the clubhouse, where they value his leadership.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21376305/rolen-may-return-for-another-year-with-reds

Being a huge Scott Rolen fan, I would love to see the Reds bring him back, only as a bench player though. Frazier needs to be the every day 3B.

Benihana
12-12-2012, 01:20 PM
Um, didn't they just sign Hannahan? You would think they would have dilligenced this prior to that signing.

dougdirt
12-12-2012, 01:24 PM
I am ok with Rolen coming back, as long as it is explicitly stated to both he and Dusty, that Rolen is a back up and should be used that way.

traderumor
12-12-2012, 01:26 PM
It doesn't matter what moves they've made, if Rolen wants to be a part of things, you extend him that courtesy. Only a rinky dink org. would say "oh, I'm sorry, we just traded for and signed a couple of backup infielders, sorry Scott, didn't make up your mind fast enough and we had to move on."

Fortunately, the rinky dink org. was all fired and replaced with competent baseball executives.

_Sir_Charles_
12-12-2012, 01:27 PM
It doesn't matter what moves they've made, if Rolen wants to be a part of things, you extend him that courtesy. Only a rinky dink org. would say "oh, I'm sorry, we just traded for and signed a couple of backup infielders, sorry Scott, didn't make up your mind fast enough and we had to move on."

Fortunately, the rinky dink org. was all fired and replaced with competent baseball executives.

Exactly.

Steve4192
12-12-2012, 01:33 PM
From Danny Knobler of CBSsports:



http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21376305/rolen-may-return-for-another-year-with-reds

Being a huge Scott Rolen fan, I would love to see the Reds bring him back, only as a bench player though. Frazier needs to be the every day 3B.

I don't want Frazier as the everyday third-basemen. I want him free to move to LF/RF/1B in the event of an injury. I have no problem with him getting the lions share of playing time at 3B, but I don't want him to leave those other gloves at home. I want him ready to play at any one of the corner positions.

Signing Rolen would be massive boost to the bench strength of 2013 Reds, as it frees up Frazier to resume his role as super-sub and lessens the club's reliance on guys like Hannahan and Paul.

Steve4192
12-12-2012, 01:34 PM
Um, didn't they just sign Hannahan? You would think they would have dilligenced this prior to that signing.

Signing a guy like Hannahan should not preclude the Reds from improving the team. Rolen is a HUGE upgrade over Hannahan.

RedsManRick
12-12-2012, 01:39 PM
Signing a guy like Hannahan should not preclude the Reds from improving the team. Rolen is a HUGE upgrade over Hannahan.

At this point in his career, I'm not so sure. OVer the last two, injury-plagued seasons, Rolen hit .244/.301/.397. Yes, he is awesome in the clubhouse and that has value. But on the field, it's probably a push at best.

vaticanplum
12-12-2012, 01:40 PM
Maybe they're grooming him to be manager. Yes, I'm expecting the world on a plate at this point.

M2
12-12-2012, 01:51 PM
Signing a guy like Hannahan should not preclude the Reds from improving the team. Rolen is a HUGE upgrade over Hannahan.

I love Scott Rolen, but Hannahan might be a better fit. Rolen and Frazier are similar hitters. You wouldn't exactly be gaining much by spelling Frazier with Rolen up against Roy Halladay (or any RHP who tools on RHBs). Much as it pains me to say it, Hannahan probably has the better glove these days too.

Also, the reality is the Reds didn't sign Hannahan for $2 million not to keep him on the roster. He and Jason Donald will limit Rolen's potential role with the team if Rolen comes back in 2013.

For reasons listed the club needs to extend a ST invitation to Rolen if he's looking to play. However, if it wants to put him on the 25-man roster, it's probably going to necessitate cutting the bullpen to six relievers. I'm for that, but he creates some complications.

Dom Heffner
12-12-2012, 01:53 PM
Pass.

Use the money for something we need.

M2
12-12-2012, 01:53 PM
Maybe they're grooming him to be manager. Yes, I'm expecting the world on a plate at this point.

Possibly. Guaranteed that's why Corky Miller continues to ply his trade in Louisville.

LoganBuck
12-12-2012, 02:27 PM
Are we talking a minor league contract with a non roster invite, or a major league contract? If we are talking a MLB contract then no.

WMR
12-12-2012, 02:31 PM
Dusty fired, Rolen hired as player manager.

westofyou
12-12-2012, 02:42 PM
Dusty fired, Rolen hired as player manager.

Last one was Pete

VR
12-12-2012, 02:43 PM
Make him the hitting coach

Caveat Emperor
12-12-2012, 02:44 PM
He just wants a Los Rojos jersey with "ROL»—" on the back.

Vottomatic
12-12-2012, 03:14 PM
Strange.

Frazier slated as starting third baseman.
Hannahan signed as backup third baseman.

Now Rolen wants to return.

I don't get it. And I'm a huge fan of Scott.

kaldaniels
12-12-2012, 04:10 PM
I know we aren't privy to the "inside baseball" here, but dang it Scott, this was information we could have used yesterday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMQhXc1dHIQ

OldXOhio
12-12-2012, 04:31 PM
Also, the reality is the Reds didn't sign Hannahan for $2 million not to keep him on the roster. He and Jason Donald will limit Rolen's potential role with the team if Rolen comes back in 2013.

For reasons listed the club needs to extend a ST invitation to Rolen if he's looking to play. However, if it wants to put him on the 25-man roster, it's probably going to necessitate cutting the bullpen to six relievers. I'm for that, but he creates some complications.

Or trading Chris Heisey. If Rolen is wanted/needed on the 25, perhaps you have dual super-subs in Donald and Frazier to fill the gaps.

M2
12-12-2012, 04:56 PM
Or trading Chris Heisey. If Rolen is wanted/needed on the 25, perhaps you have dual super-subs in Donald and Frazier to fill the gaps.

I'm guessing they'll want more than one OF on the bench. I'm sure you can jam The Donald or Hannarahanigan into an OF slot in an emergency, but two OFs (especially one who can play CF and hit RH) would seem to be a necessity.

dfs
12-12-2012, 04:57 PM
Pass.

Use the money for something we need.

Really ? Ouch. I don't get it.

A spring training Looksee is not the same as a 3 year 34 million dollar contract.

CesarGeronimo
12-12-2012, 10:20 PM
If Scott Rolen is on the team, I fear Dusty will play him more than his current capabilities warrant.

Vottomatic
12-12-2012, 11:02 PM
I know we aren't privy to the "inside baseball" here, but dang it Scott, this was information we could have used yesterday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMQhXc1dHIQ

Alot of good/great Adam Sandler movies. But because I graduated high school in 1983, and I'm partial to 80's-retro movies, I love "The Wedding Singer".

Awesome movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s5xsVHOJQs

"....and basically everybody at table 9"

Dom Heffner
12-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Really ? Ouch. I don't get it.

A spring training Looksee is not the same as a 3 year 34 million dollar contract.

Just not a fan of "prescence guys."

He offers little other than emotions, which would be terrific if this were an episode of Oprah or a Lifetime movie.

As far as baseball goes, he's done and whatever is left in the tank will be on the DL half the year.

I need a nap lol....

kaldaniels
12-12-2012, 11:17 PM
I just got done sticking up for Rolen in another thread, so allow me to do a 180 in this one.

At this point, I think it is just time to move on. Now, I was hoping Rolen would retire at the ASB this past year, but he came back and played great. Shows what I know. But I think his time with the club has now passed, and he can now ride off into the sunset (or sign with another club) and I won't be looking back and saying "what if...".

WVRedsFan
12-13-2012, 01:19 AM
I just got done sticking up for Rolen in another thread, so allow me to do a 180 in this one.

At this point, I think it is just time to move on. Now, I was hoping Rolen would retire at the ASB this past year, but he came back and played great. Shows what I know. But I think his time with the club has now passed, and he can now ride off into the sunset (or sign with another club) and I won't be looking back and saying "what if...".

I really think that he will just bow out, but the example sometimes is very important, and he can still play--maybe not at the level he once was, but better than Valdez and Cairo and many others. Not a bad guy to have around. That said, I have no problem with it. I'll leave it up to Walt and BCast. So far, they're batting pretty well.

GAC
12-13-2012, 04:25 AM
If Rolen's intent is to be a starter - pass. But if there is an understanding his primary role is to be a bench/utility player seeing limited action, mentoring the younger players (especially Frazier), then he can still be a productive and positive force on that bench IMO. I look at the dregs we've had manning our bench these last few years, especially in the PH'ing department, and it certainly didn't strike fear into the hearts of opposing pitchers when they walked to the plate.

dfs
12-13-2012, 09:36 AM
Just not a fan of "prescence guys."

He offers little other than emotions, which would be terrific if this were an episode of Oprah or a Lifetime movie.

As far as baseball goes, he's done and whatever is left in the tank will be on the DL half the year.

For years I was not a presence guy either. Rolen changed my mind about that.

I think Rolen has enough in the tank that he would be more valuable to the team than just about anybody else in the Miguel Cairo role. The question is if Rolen would be willing to accept that role and that money.

Ludwick and Frazier get a lot of credit for proping up the team when Votto went down, but Rolen's splits for July and August show a 930 OPS. Now....he was dreck the rest of the year.

It won't kill me if he's not with the team, but simply out of respect, if he wants to go to spring training, I think they should bring him.

757690
12-13-2012, 09:41 AM
I'd go with 11 pitchers if it meant adding Rolen to the bench. You find a place for him, as long as he is comfortable as a backup.

George Anderson
12-13-2012, 09:45 AM
I think Rolen has enough in the tank that he would be more valuable to the team than just about anybody else in the Miguel Cairo role. The question is if Rolen would be willing to accept that role and that money.



It won't kill me if he's not with the team, but simply out of respect, if he wants to go to spring training, I think they should bring him.

My thoughts exactly.

I would be suprised if Rolen would return as a bench player at a greatly reduced salary. He is a borderline HOF candidate and I doubt he would want to be remembered at the end of his career as a bench player. Little things like that can sometimes affect a players HOF chances. Also he has young kids and I just would be suprised if he would want to spend so much time away from them when money is hardly a concern and he has nothing left to prove on the field.

Then again maybe he just loves the game and he wants to play. In another thread, so many feel like he is as responsible as any current player for what this franchise is today and I agree. So if he wants to come back as a bench player and can still do it then I agree we need to give him the respect of letting him try.

Kc61
12-13-2012, 09:54 AM
Everybody is being very respectful and polite, and that's appropriate, Scott has been a great player with a Hall of Fame career.

But I don't think the Reds expect him to play.

The Reds just traded for Donald and acquired Hannahan. Lesser players than Rolen for sure, but the Reds expect these guys on the ballclub. They signed Hannahan for two years with an option.

Rolen really isn't built to be a backup, he only plays one position, the Reds have others for third base now.

Maybe he comes to spring training, maybe he even starts the season on the DL, but I don't expect to see him playing.

So my guess is that Scott will retire and not play anymore.

If he does, I wish him good luck, great player.

mattfeet
12-13-2012, 10:02 AM
Well, that's true, but Im of the train of thought that you have to go about your needs regardless of whether or not Rolen signs. If the Reds waited until he decided, we would have lost out on Hannahan and maybe Donald as well. If he wants to come back, he will...but I think it's clear that the Reds are "ok" to move on without him as well. That's important for Rolen to see, IMO.

RedEye
12-13-2012, 11:06 AM
Hannarahanigan.

Careful... that could stick! LOL

edabbs44
12-13-2012, 11:37 AM
Totally on board if Scott is brought back as a part timer, backup, mentor, etc. they could do a whole lot worse.

MrRedLegger
12-13-2012, 12:42 PM
If Joey Votto likes having him on the team, I like him on the team. I think Rolen is the kind of guy who is okay with whatever role he plays, so it's almost a no-brainer to have a future HOF'er on the roster.

cincrazy
12-13-2012, 09:46 PM
Just not a fan of "prescence guys."

He offers little other than emotions, which would be terrific if this were an episode of Oprah or a Lifetime movie.

As far as baseball goes, he's done and whatever is left in the tank will be on the DL half the year.

I need a nap lol....

His bat would play well off the bench. And he's STILL a great fielder. Sure, his prime is well past gone. But I think he still has something to offer this team. He was crucial for us down the stretch last year.

membengal
12-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Seems to me like Rolen starts the year retired, but if there are injuries or ineffectiveness by the All-Star break at the corner, it could be he could come back at that point, I suspect.

FlightRick
12-13-2012, 10:33 PM
I'm all for Scott Rolen remaining a part of the Reds organization for years to come. If that means one more year on the MLB roster before (hopefully) becoming a coach at Dayton or Louisville (both of which are fairly close to home for him, which I believe has been a stated priority), so be it.

How to fit him onto the roster does seem like a bit of an issue, however. Somebody even suggested dropping down to 11 pitchers to make room. I'm not sure that's a good idea... but then again, the only idea I have isn't exactly a peach, either:

Basically, I'd lean towards dropping a 5th OF (be it Paul or whoever). Just go with the three starters and Heisey. Frazier is now your 5th OF. And maybe instead of Frazier also being the go-to back-up for Votto at 1B, you can get Rolen to play a game or three at first, so that Frazier's not bouncing all around the diamond. Would that work?


Rick

GADawg
12-13-2012, 10:40 PM
i keep thinking about Eric Chavez and what an important role he's been playing with the Yankees...."we" could do a lot worse.....btw every year I fret over the roster and how all the names are going to go into 25 and every year it works itself out...i'm sure this year will be no different

Blitz Dorsey
12-15-2012, 01:01 AM
Put me in the camp that hopes Rolen comes back for one last hurrah. The Reds could easily use Hannahan as the backup SS if Rolen ends up playing (which will be bad news for Jason Donald, but there's no monetary investment in him).

Also, the chances of Frazier, Rolen, Hannahan and Donald all staying healthy for 162 games is almost zero. Therefore, it would be easy to argue that all four of them will be needed for the three available spots (starting 3B, backup 3B, backup SS/utility man).

jhu1321
12-15-2012, 10:07 AM
Question for me is how much are the Reds willing to pay for a good clubhouse guy / reserve infielder? And what would Rolen accept?

Roy Tucker
12-15-2012, 11:32 AM
I love Rolen (in a manly way), but a RH pinch hitter and only 3B backup isn't a very flexible roster slot.

Can Scott play 1B or anything else?

mattfeet
12-15-2012, 11:48 AM
Im sure he can play a very adequate 1B. Even last year he was still able to pick it at 3B. His defense isn't the question.

Chip R
12-15-2012, 12:32 PM
I love Rolen (in a manly way), but a RH pinch hitter and only 3B backup isn't a very flexible roster slot.

Can Scott play 1B or anything else?

That would be my concern. Also, if he is signed, he's going to start the majority of games at 3rd - when healthy - because he's got the best glove and probably the best bat.

Vottomatic
12-16-2012, 08:32 AM
I hear Scott played CF way back in high school. Dusty is looking for a backup CFer, and Rolen may be the guy. ;)

Far East
12-18-2012, 10:37 AM
...so that Frazier's not bouncing all around the diamond...
Perhaps Frazier could/should be bouncing. What if Frazier got a little ST time at CF and middle IF -- and I realize how demanding those positions are.

If he proves serviceable at those positions -- not for a season, but just for 1 game every week or two -- then Rolen could be the fixture at 3B, and Frazier could spell him there periodically in addition to giving Cozart, Phillips, Votto, Bruce, and Choo a day off occasionally.

Frazier might get as much PT as anybody that way. I'm not subbing Todd for RHH Ludwick, but seeing LHH Paul in that role.

Frazier at any position in the field probably weakens the defense for that 1 game, but with all position players so well rested, the offense should be at its optimum.

If it could possibly work, when the Reds are using a fly-ball pitcher, Frazier could be assigned to the IF, when the Reds are using a ground ball pitcher, he could be in the OF.

I had a similar thought about Aaron Boone's being used that way when he was breaking in with the Reds. Of course, Boone's softer hands and better range and foot speed than Frazier made him a better candidate.

Football has the all-purpose guy, basketball has the swing man, Frazier could be the Reds' all-purpose swing man.

I know that this is way out of the box, but it gets both Frazier and Rolen into the batter's box.

CesarGeronimo
12-18-2012, 10:57 AM
Perhaps Frazier could/should be bouncing. What if Frazier got a little ST time at CF and middle IF -- and I realize how demanding those positions are.

If he proves serviceable at those positions -- not for a season, but just for 1 game every week or two -- then Rolen could be the fixture at 3B, and Frazier could spell him there periodically in addition to giving Cozart, Phillips, Votto, Bruce, and Choo a day off occasionally.

Frazier might get as much PT as anybody that way. I'm not subbing Todd for RHH Ludwick, but seeing LHH Paul in that role.

Frazier at any position in the field probably weakens the defense for that 1 game, but with all position players so well rested, the offense should be at its optimum.

If it could possibly work, when the Reds are using a fly-ball pitcher, Frazier could be assigned to the IF, when the Reds are using a ground ball pitcher, he could be in the OF.

I had a similar thought about Aaron Boone's being used that way when he was breaking in with the Reds. Of course, Boone's softer hands and better range and foot speed than Frazier made him a better candidate.

Football has the all-purpose guy, basketball has the swing man, Frazier could be the Reds' all-purpose swing man.

I know that this is way out of the box, but it gets both Frazier and Rolen into the batter's box.

Sorry, but I think we need to Rolen out of the batter's box. .676 OPS in 2011 and .716 in 2012. That is not good for a corner infielder.

Vottomatic
12-18-2012, 11:46 AM
My prediction is management talks him out of it and offers him a job within the organization. Atleast that is my hope.