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REDblooded
12-18-2012, 02:04 AM
He trains with Mike Barwis... The same guy who transformed Lamarr Woodley and Brandon Graham.

Anybody going through his programs comes out a Beast...

Cedric
12-18-2012, 07:52 AM
Michigan still sucks.

:)

JaxRed
12-18-2012, 11:47 AM
Hope you're right. But I've seen nothing from him yet that impresses me that he's a top talent. I've been more impressed with Bryan Smith. (could just make me a bad judge of talent)

dougdirt
12-18-2012, 01:47 PM
He needs a better swing. He can get bigger/faster/stronger and it won't do much a the plate unless he starts using his body to swing instead of his arms.

Blitz Dorsey
12-18-2012, 09:13 PM
Barwis was gold during the RichRod years at Michigan. (Nope.)

REDblooded
12-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Barwis was gold during the RichRod years at Michigan. (Nope.)

Instrumental in developing guys like Martin and Molk.

The DARK
12-19-2012, 01:58 AM
I hope that he has that power potential, much like Didi was said to have... scouting reports from the draft claimed that he had potential in that area, if i remember correctly. He's one of the guys that I feel could break out in any given year if he makes the right adjustments, and will burn out in AAA if he doesn't.

dougdirt
12-19-2012, 02:43 AM
I hope that he has that power potential, much like Didi was said to have... scouting reports from the draft claimed that he had potential in that area, if i remember correctly. He's one of the guys that I feel could break out in any given year if he makes the right adjustments, and will burn out in AAA if he doesn't.

He has the size and strength for it. But right now, his swing is never going to have any power. He is all arms.

11larkin11
12-19-2012, 04:00 AM
Barwis!!1!!!1!!!!!!1!!1!!11!!!

Sorry, bit of a joke from an OSU message board

MikeS21
12-21-2012, 10:42 PM
Didn't LaMarre come out of college with a severe wrist injury that zapped his power? I thought he put up decent power numbers until he injured his wrist. Perhaps he picked up some bad habits that a good coach could correct?

texasdave
02-21-2013, 11:58 PM
Bump.

Ken Griffey, Sr. likes LaMarre.


BAKERSFIELD MANAGER and former Big Red Machinist Ken Griffey Sr. was watching former Dayton Dragons outfielder Ryan LaMarre take batting practice.

“With all the talk about Billy Hamilton and his steals, well, LaMarre stole 52 bases for me in 2011,” said Griffey. “That kid can run. I told him the only way for him to learn was run on his own so I gave him the green light to run whenever he wanted.

“And he’s the best center fielder I’ve ever had, can really go get ‘em,” said Griffey. “He reminds me, and I’m serious about this, of The Chief.” The Chief is Cesar Geronimo, Gold Glove center fielder for The Big Red Machine.”

Red Swagger
02-22-2013, 12:35 AM
LaMarre will have a breakout 2013, be promoted to AAA, get regular AB's and put up a slash line of:

.285 12 HR 65 RBI 35 SB .382 OBP

Gold glove defense

2014, welcome to the Reds

camisadelgolf
02-22-2013, 12:51 AM
LaMarre will have a breakout 2013, be promoted to AAA, get regular AB's and put up a slash line of:

.285 12 HR 65 RBI 35 SB .382 OBP

Gold glove defense

2014, welcome to the Reds
Is that all? ;)

757690
02-22-2013, 01:34 AM
I could see LaMarre playing the 5th outfield role for the Reds for a good part of the season, considering they don't have a true CF with MLB experience on the team right now.

Steve4192
02-22-2013, 09:07 AM
I would be stoked if Lamarre panned out with a Geronimo-type career.

The Chief was perceived by many Reds fans as an all-glove, no stick guy, but in reality he wasn't half-bad at the plate. He just paled in comparison to luminaries like Bench, Morgan, Rose, Perez, Foster, etc. Despite being the runt of the Big Red litter, Geronimo still managed a 93 OPS+ over a 15 year career. Average offense plus elite defense at an up-the-middle position equals a darn solid career.

lollipopcurve
02-22-2013, 09:16 AM
I'm a Lamarre fan. Excellent athlete with a pretty high ceiling, IMO.

RedsManRick
02-22-2013, 12:08 PM
Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP



Stubbs
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2006 21 R 252 .252 .368 .400 13% 25% .148 .333 19
2007 22 A 575 .270 .364 .421 12% 25% .151 .354 23
2008 23 A+/AA/AAA 548 .276 .371 .417 12% 22% .140 .358 33
2009 24 AAA 472 .268 .353 .360 11% 22% .092 .350 46
Total 1847 .269 .364 .401 12% 23% .132 .351 121

LaMarre
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2010 21 A/A+ 292 .276 .361 .397 8% 20% .122 .333 19
2011 22 A+/AA 522 .276 .348 .368 9% 19% .091 .336 55
2012 23 AA 558 .263 .356 .353 11% 21% .089 .339 30
Total 1372 .271 .354 .368 9% 20% .097 .337 104


LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

Steve4192
02-22-2013, 12:35 PM
Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP



Stubbs
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2006 21 R 252 .252 .368 .400 13% 25% .148 .333 19
2007 22 A 575 .270 .364 .421 12% 25% .151 .354 23
2008 23 A+/AA/AAA 548 .276 .371 .417 12% 22% .140 .358 33
2009 24 AAA 472 .268 .353 .360 11% 22% .092 .350 46
Total 1847 .269 .364 .401 12% 23% .132 .351 121

LaMarre
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2010 21 A/A+ 292 .276 .361 .397 8% 20% .122 .333 19
2011 22 A+/AA 522 .276 .348 .368 9% 19% .091 .336 55
2012 23 AA 558 .263 .356 .353 11% 21% .089 .339 30
Total 1372 .271 .354 .368 9% 20% .097 .337 104


LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.

Superdude
02-22-2013, 01:03 PM
I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.

When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.

Steve4192
02-22-2013, 01:11 PM
When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.

As RedsManRick pointed out, Lamarre's contact skills are better than Stubbs. If Lamarre can offset Stubbs advantage in IsoP with a better OBP, he can be plenty useful.

757690
02-22-2013, 02:43 PM
Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP



Stubbs
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2006 21 R 252 .252 .368 .400 13% 25% .148 .333 19
2007 22 A 575 .270 .364 .421 12% 25% .151 .354 23
2008 23 A+/AA/AAA 548 .276 .371 .417 12% 22% .140 .358 33
2009 24 AAA 472 .268 .353 .360 11% 22% .092 .350 46
Total 1847 .269 .364 .401 12% 23% .132 .351 121

LaMarre
Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB
2010 21 A/A+ 292 .276 .361 .397 8% 20% .122 .333 19
2011 22 A+/AA 522 .276 .348 .368 9% 19% .091 .336 55
2012 23 AA 558 .263 .356 .353 11% 21% .089 .339 30
Total 1372 .271 .354 .368 9% 20% .097 .337 104


LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

Nice work. Completely agree. However, I think if Stubbs was used as a 4th outfield, back up CF, he would excell. I'm hoping the same for LaMarre. Having a #2 draft pick turn into a solid role player is a very good thing.

Scrap Irony
02-22-2013, 06:58 PM
I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.

Imagine that OF defensively. Imagine the HAVOK(!) it would cause on the basepaths to have two 50+ SB guys at the top of the order.

Having said that, I don't know if LaMarre is even capable of providing that power. He was supposed to have above average pop coming out of Michigan, but looks like a weak stick in person and just as bad over the course of the year statistically.

dougdirt
02-22-2013, 07:00 PM
I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.


You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.

Scrap Irony
02-22-2013, 07:02 PM
You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.

Really???

I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.

dougdirt
02-22-2013, 07:08 PM
Really???

I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.

I did this back in October.... but Pensacola boosted power at incredible levels.

http://redsminorleagues.com/2012/10/01/park-factors-how-the-cincinnati-reds-affiliates-home-parks-play/

757690
03-03-2013, 05:34 PM
I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

Steve4192
03-03-2013, 09:02 PM
I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

Daddy loves froggy.

Froggy love daddy?

OGB
03-04-2013, 10:25 PM
I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

Kinky!