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texasdave
01-15-2013, 07:27 PM
This is looking like one formidable foe. They have just added Rafael Soriano to their bullpen.


http://mlb.si.com/2013/01/15/rafael-soriano-washington-nationals/?sct=hp_t2_a4

Red Raindog
01-15-2013, 08:15 PM
This is looking like one formidable foe. They have just added Rafael Soriano to their bullpen.


http://mlb.si.com/2013/01/15/rafael-soriano-washington-nationals/?sct=hp_t2_a4

yikes

UPRedsFan
01-15-2013, 08:43 PM
They're still short on offense though.

40YrRedsFan
01-15-2013, 08:45 PM
Gonna be really tough for any NL TEAM to top Wash in 2013. We get our complete season series with the Nats in April (7 GAMES).

texasdave
01-15-2013, 09:16 PM
They're still short on offense though.

I am not exactly sure where you are getting this from. Playing half their games in an extreme pitcher's park (while the Reds played half of their games in GABP), they still outscored the Reds last year 731-669.

LaRoche - .853
Desmond - .845
Werth - .827
Zimmerman - .824
Harper - .817
Morse - .791

Add to that Denard Span and Wilson Ramos. 2012 team OPS+ showed Washington at 102 and Cincinnati at 90.

They have plenty of offense. I wish the Reds had that offense to be honest.

Red Raindog
01-15-2013, 10:06 PM
I am not exactly sure where you are getting this from. Playing half their games in an extreme pitcher's park (while the Reds played half of their games in GABP), they still outscored the Reds last year 731-669.

LaRoche - .853
Desmond - .845
Werth - .827
Zimmerman - .824
Harper - .817
Morse - .791

Add to that Denard Span and Wilson Ramos. 2012 team OPS+ showed Washington at 102 and Cincinnati at 90.

They have plenty of offense. I wish the Reds had that offense to be honest.


I want my old Washington Senators back --- yeah I am THAT old -- they were so bad they could make the early Mets look good!

MoneyInTheBank
01-15-2013, 10:19 PM
Never count on paper champions panning out...

Red Raindog
01-15-2013, 11:26 PM
Never count on paper champions panning out...

can't argue that point but the paper looks pretty good to me

goreds2
01-16-2013, 08:11 AM
Never count on paper champions panning out... We can only hope it's on this paper:

http://assets3.bigthink.com/system/idea_thumbnails/39643/original/the-office-2.jpg?1312841033

coachpipe
01-16-2013, 08:42 AM
Im not all the convinced that Soriano is better than Drew Storen. And Morse wont be in Washington by the time the season starts. He has nowhere to play. Span, Harper(hopefully goes through his sophomore slump) and Werth will control the outfield while LaRoche(hopefully goes back to his old self) controls first base

tedies
01-16-2013, 02:24 PM
They're still short on offense though.

This is very wrong... Span, Werth, Harper, Zimmerman, Laroche, Desmond, Espinosa... I'd venture to say that's a little better than our lineup. Zimmerman is one of the most underrated players in the league

nheath22
01-16-2013, 04:33 PM
This is very wrong... Span, Werth, Harper, Zimmerman, Laroche, Desmond, Espinosa... I'd venture to say that's a little better than our lineup. Zimmerman is one of the most underrated players in the league

Not to mention Desmond emerged as probably the best hitting SS in the NL last year.

The reds should be good next year, but I wouldn't say our team is better than the Nats, both look like formidable opponents from an offensive standpoint as well as a pitching standpoint for the next several years.

alwaysawarrior
01-16-2013, 04:41 PM
This certainly bolsters the Nat's pen. They were already probably the best on paper team in the NL and will now be better,on paper. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I think teams like the nationals, reds, giants etc have positioned themselves about as well as they can. Now things have to go right for one of them during the season, and what is essentially a crapshoot, the postseason.

smixsell
01-16-2013, 06:39 PM
Just a thought.........Soriano has had major injury problems throughout his career. I can easily see him blowing out again and costing the Nats major blown payroll.

texasdave
01-16-2013, 07:08 PM
The Nationals had, arguably, the best team in the NL last year. To that mix they have added Denard Span, Dan Haren and Rafael Soriano. They seem to be heavily in on Javier Vasquez as well. They seem to be pushing all-in these next couple of years.
Their owner, who is worth nearly 4 billion, is Ted Lerner. He is also 87 years old. I doubt he is looking five years down the road.
As far as the Soriano signing goes he will received 7 million the next two seasons, with the remainder being spread out over the next decade. 7 million a season for Soriano is quite reasonable if you ask me.

And, like I mentioned earlier, when you are 87 years old your plans are probably skewed more towards the short-term than long-term.

texasdave
01-16-2013, 07:09 PM
Never count on paper champions panning out...

True enough that the best team on paper doesn't always win. But, if given the choice, I would rather have the best team on paper heading into the season.

nate1213
01-16-2013, 08:53 PM
At first I wanted him, but what the Nationals are paying him is crazy.

jhiller21
01-16-2013, 10:01 PM
Gonna be really tough for any NL TEAM to top Wash in 2013. We get our complete season series with the Nats in April (7 GAMES).

Best to get it out of the way early. The Nats are gonna be a tough team to beat this year.

UPRedsFan
01-17-2013, 11:06 PM
Ok you got me TexasDave. I admit that was just my gut feel without looking at the real numbers.

Anyway, counting on LaRoche, Werth, Zimmerman to continue producing just seems riskier than Votto, Bruce, Phillips. And the Reds offense gets immensely better this year replacing Stubbs with Choo and Rolen with Frazier, not to mention a full year of a healthy Joey Votto.

I like our new offense better than the Nats and I think we'll score more runs this year.

Matos
01-17-2013, 11:34 PM
This is looking like one formidable foe. They have just added Rafael Soriano to their bullpen.


http://mlb.si.com/2013/01/15/rafael-soriano-washington-nationals/?sct=hp_t2_a4

Guess I have to get to fifty posts.:lol:

Maker_84
01-18-2013, 08:25 PM
They're definitely gonna be good but the Reds can beat them