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texasdave
01-20-2013, 05:09 PM
1) Billy Hamilton
2) Robert Stephenson
3) Tony Cingrani
4) Daniel Corcino
5) Jesse Winker
6) Nick Travieso
7) Henry Rodriguez
8) Ismael Guillon
9) Yorman Rodriguez
10) Tanner Rahier
11) Dan Langfield
12) Neftali Soto
13) Donald Lutz
14) Chad Rogers

texasdave
01-20-2013, 05:21 PM
To keep things moving along, after #15 the polls are going to be shortened to two days.

I am "D'' not trying "A" to sway "V" anyone's "I" vote "D" here. I "V" think everyone "I" knows that "D" subliminal messages "A" don't really work "L" anyway.

Kc61
01-20-2013, 06:13 PM
I voted Reynoso. BA must know something.

Lotzkar is really dropping due to injury concerns, presumably.

Is his injury status that dismal?

LOL, some folks proposed him in every trade thread this year, suggesting he has value, now he may not break the top twenty prospects. I guess it's the injury concern.

dougdirt
01-20-2013, 06:40 PM
I voted Reynoso. BA must know something.

Lotzkar is really dropping due to injury concerns, presumably.

Is his injury status that dismal?

LOL, some folks proposed him in every trade thread this year, suggesting he has value, now he may not break the top twenty prospects. I guess it's the injury concern.

At the end of the season I had Lotzkar at #8. He is back in play for me at this point.

With Reynoso, I guess I just want to see more. He has tools and he makes contact often. But the rest of his baseball game, including skills (fielding, base running) are considered very raw and in need of a lot of work.

Red Daddy
01-20-2013, 06:46 PM
Gelalich for me. I think this guy is going to be a good hitter. Thought about Wright here too.

Edd Roush
01-20-2013, 07:43 PM
Give me Reynoso and his upside. A toolsy outfielder with good contact skills is more interesting to me than what is left.

mace
01-20-2013, 11:30 PM
Defense being so vital for a catcher, and Barnhart being so good at it, I gotta go with him here.

(I said "vital," texasdave, not "Vidal." And by the way, nice try up there.)

powersackers
01-20-2013, 11:37 PM
Ryan Wright is as close to a sure major leaguer as we have on the list. Low ceiling but he's Justin Turner esque.

Superdude
01-21-2013, 12:11 AM
At the end of the season I had Lotzkar at #8. He is back in play for me at this point.

With Reynoso, I guess I just want to see more. He has tools and he makes contact often. But the rest of his baseball game, including skills (fielding, base running) are considered very raw and in need of a lot of work.

What's the status on Lotzkar at this point? I thought he had a decent healthy season, but now I guess the word is he had some kind of set back and is being moved to the bullpen?

crazybob60
01-21-2013, 10:20 AM
Went with Tucker Barnhart here. Love his defensive skills and hopefully see him in the majors when it is time for him to take over as the next catcher alongside Mesoraco.

marcshoe
01-21-2013, 11:19 PM
Going with Gelalich on upside. Besides, this will be his first full pro season, and I don't think it's fair to only look at his Billings numbers at this point. You have to consider why the Reds drafted him.

I do think he should be forced to change his name to something easier to spell. Like Rzepczynski.

Steve4192
01-21-2013, 11:46 PM
Going with Gelalich on upside. Besides, this will be his first full pro season, and I don't think it's fair to only look at his Billings numbers at this point. You have to consider why the Reds drafted him.

I do think he should be forced to change his name to something easier to spell. Like Rzepczynski.

If a guy like Winker is being highly rated due to his performance at Billings, then it is only fair that a guy like Gelalich gets downgraded for the same. You can't cherry pick only the strong performances while rationalizing away or downright ignoring the poor performances.

lollipopcurve
01-22-2013, 10:07 AM
then it is only fair that a guy like Gelalich gets downgraded for the same

true -- however it seems as if he was dealing with an injury

Steve4192
01-22-2013, 11:47 AM
true -- however it seems as if he was dealing with an injury

I agree that the injury may have been a contributing factor in his struggles and that it is WAY too soon to write him off, but his 2012 season still happened and should be factored into his ranking regardless of any extenuating circumstances.

Scrap Irony
01-22-2013, 12:46 PM
I went with Seth Mejias-Brean. He's had upside power in batting practice for years that goes along with a plus glove and arm at the hot corner. He realized some of that power in Billings. That may be a blip due to small sample size; if not, he'll be a fast riser capable of playing at AA by the end of the season. He could also become organization fodder. High ceiling, low floor.

I could also see an argument for David Vidal, who's basically the same guy, but a year younger and coming off a really tough few months at AA Pennsacola.

The next ten picks are pretty much entirely interchangeable, IMO, as they represent some combination of high upside or high floor. I could just as easily insist that Steve Selsky or Bryson Smith deserve some love here due to outstanding production since becoming pros. (And might very well begin that argument with the next pick.)

Really, though, for all of us, IMO, it's just shooting in the dark.

Steve4192
01-22-2013, 12:57 PM
The next ten picks are pretty much entirely interchangeable, IMO, as they represent some combination of high upside or high floor.

I agree, and I feel the same way about the last eight picks. Basically, there are about 20 guys after Winker/Travieso who could all make an argument for the top 10 or be left out of the top 25 altogether depending on what you value in a prospect.

dougdirt
01-22-2013, 02:21 PM
I agree that the injury may have been a contributing factor in his struggles and that it is WAY too soon to write him off, but his 2012 season still happened and should be factored into his ranking regardless of any extenuating circumstances.

Should it though? I mean, we are trying to predict who will do what in the future, right? If a guy was playing with an injury that shouldn't be there moving forward, should we really put much weight onto what he did while injured?

Steve4192
01-22-2013, 03:01 PM
Should it though? I mean, we are trying to predict who will do what in the future, right? If a guy was playing with an injury that shouldn't be there moving forward, should we really put much weight onto what he did while injured?

I'm not saying we should give up on him. If he bounces back in 2013, I'm perfectly willing to write off his 2012 season as a fluke. But right now, it is the only data point we have on him with a wood bat in a professional league.

We wouldn't have ignored his 2012 season if he performed well with a bum wrist, nor we shouldn't ignore the fact that he struggled to perform with a bum wrist. Injuries happen. Guys have to play through bumps and bruises. 2012 was a legitimate data point for how he performs when banged up. Hopefully, 2013 gives a data point of how he performs when healthy and the results will be significantly better. But he might get banged up again in 2013, or he might be healthy and perform at the same level. Until then, all we have to go on is his pre-draft profile and his 2012 results.

traderumor
01-22-2013, 03:22 PM
Tanner Rahier. Wasn't he the second baseman for the Bad News Bears?

dougdirt
01-22-2013, 04:33 PM
I'm not saying we should give up on him. If he bounces back in 2013, I'm perfectly willing to write off his 2012 season as a fluke. But right now, it is the only data point we have on him with a wood bat in a professional league.

We wouldn't have ignored his 2012 season if he performed well with a bum wrist, nor we shouldn't ignore the fact that he struggled to perform with a bum wrist. Injuries happen. Guys have to play through bumps and bruises. 2012 was a legitimate data point for how he performs when banged up. Hopefully, 2013 gives a data point of how he performs when healthy and the results will be significantly better. But he might get banged up again in 2013, or he might be healthy and perform at the same level. Until then, all we have to go on is his pre-draft profile and his 2012 results.

No, in fact I would have given him more credit had he performed well with a bum wrist.

I just don't see the point in dinging a guy playing with a hand injury for his poor hitting, even if it is "the only data point" to work with other than scouting reports and college stats. That isn't the guy he will be moving forward, at least from a skillset perspective.

texasdave
01-22-2013, 04:43 PM
Tanner Rahier. Wasn't he the second baseman for the Bad News Bears?


Signed specifically for all future games against the Cardinals.

mace
01-22-2013, 10:34 PM
I don't have an answer to this one, but I wonder if Jacob Constante (the 19-year-old lefty just signed out of the Dominican) should be on the list for the next poll.

texasdave
01-22-2013, 10:44 PM
I don't have an answer to this one, but I wonder if Jacob Constante (the 19-year-old lefty just signed out of the Dominican) should be on the list for the next poll.


I think he should and had planned on including him for the next go-round.

marcshoe
01-22-2013, 11:04 PM
If a guy like Winker is being highly rated due to his performance at Billings, then it is only fair that a guy like Gelalich gets downgraded for the same. You can't cherry pick only the strong performances while rationalizing away or downright ignoring the poor performances.

We are talking ten spots lower. You can't just disregard his collegiate performance either. Given the injury, I don't see 15 being a reach.